5c die cap

enworb · April 08, 2013, 12:45:27 PM

"Moral of the story is, if you're going to commit a crime, choose your target carefully. "

lol im pretty sure the moral you want your kids to learn is dont do the crime.

markn · April 08, 2013, 01:28:38 PM

Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='11637' dateline='1365390194'The feds sure did a number on him... for nicking 32,000 bits of scrap metal, they took from him (and his family) three years of his life, everything he owned, his future AND $2.3 million. Moral of the story is, if you're going to commit a crime, choose your target carefully.

Interesting logic. Those scraps of metal were legitimate currency that did not belong to him. Moral of the story is if you're going to commit a crime prepare to get caught.

Ozcoins · April 08, 2013, 08:32:23 PM

Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='11637' dateline='1365390194'The feds sure did a number on him... for nicking 32,000 bits of scrap metal, they took from him (and his family) three years of his life, everything he owned, his future AND $2.3 million. Moral of the story is, if you're going to commit a crime, choose your target carefully.

I think your interpretation is pretty wrong.
He nicked $32,000
He profited $2,300,000 or $2,400,000 from his crime (depending on which of the stories is right)
HE got 3 years "supervised release". Not even jail time, and certainly not his family.
He forfeited lots of propery, but KEEPS his house - not "everything he owned".
he OWES $2,300,000 which will never be paid as its being paid off at the rate of $1000 per month. I am not sure if the value of what has been forfeited comes off the debt or not.
All in all, I think he got off pretty light and there will people who read this story who think "I would take the chance if I could - even when he got caught not much happened".

Fulvio · April 08, 2013, 10:09:56 PM

If he had stolen $32,000 from you or me, he would have gotten off with a slap on the wrist. And we would not have seen any restitution, regardless of any penalty imposed.

Since the coins were to be destroyed, they can't be valued at face value, only scrap value. Nor can it be claimed he was devaluing the currency, as they were never going to be released into circulation either way.

Sure he committed a crime. But the identity of the victim, or any windfall profit made by selling the stolen goods should not enter into it, other than the taxation angle of course. However because the victim was the government, he was treated far more harshly than if it were any normal citizen who was being ripped off.

BTW, the reports I saw were that he was going to do actual time, and that the property seizures were separate from the $2.3m, which admittedly will never be paid. And as for his family not being affected, try taking a grand a month out of a pensioner's income and see what's left to eat. They may have a house, but you can't eat houses.

planchetflaw · April 09, 2013, 02:28:49 PM

The 5c error and the 10c errors are amazing. Nice work on getting the 5c. Definitely cheap in my eyes. I think the 10c coins went for a steal as well.

I have a 1c or 2c die cap (bad memory...) but no where near as good as that 5c! Reminds me of a bullet post hitting its target!

robbiegal · April 09, 2013, 05:40:00 PM

Quote from: 'markn' pid='11599' dateline='1365329915'
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='11584' dateline='1365319922'I bet that was never plucked from circulation. Somehow managed to miss the scrap bin at the mint, I suspect.

He also just sold this:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/australian-coin10-ten-cent-coin-super-rare-error-double-error-/130881431648?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item1e79242860&_uhb=1#ht_634wt_1165

We've never seen an Australian error pair like it. We suspect he might have had a father or grandfather working at the mint. He's in Canberra. Coincidence?

just slightly ......

markn · April 17, 2013, 09:10:34 AM

Australian coin · April 17, 2013, 09:24:32 AM

congratulations! I love that you can see the reeding squeezed

purplepennyhunter · April 17, 2013, 12:46:13 PM

It looks massive in hand and I really thought there was no way that it's only the metal from one coin. But weighed it and it's 2.78g just shy of it's 2.83g spec.

Robster · April 17, 2013, 12:50:39 PM

A truly amazing error. Great pics. It is a bit like a Train Smash- you just can't look away.!!:yahoo:

markn · April 17, 2013, 01:05:35 PM

It's pretty spectacular in hand and much bigger than you'd think. It's amazing the metal has extruded as far as it has.

accumulator · April 17, 2013, 01:08:01 PM

Niiiice !, I wonder how many other coins were struck with this cap on the die ?,4-6 by the look of the tear type effect.

planchetflaw · April 17, 2013, 03:19:31 PM

Do you think that the first blank could have mated with another blank to cause that excess bottle cap effect? How much does it weigh?

Fordprefect · April 17, 2013, 03:27:29 PM

Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='12247' dateline='1366168573'It looks massive in hand and I really thought there was no way that it's only the metal from one coin. But weighed it and it's 2.78g just shy of it's 2.83g spec.

Quote from: 'planchetflaw' pid='12270' dateline='1366177771'Do you think that the first blank could have mated with another blank to cause that excess bottle cap effect? How much does it weigh?

planchetflaw · April 17, 2013, 04:17:55 PM

I'm blind!! Thanks!