Polymer Prefixes PDF

[Fulvio]

Why do you and Maccas continue to list this as a circulating release, when it's obvious that there aren't any out there?

Because nobody has a definitive answer. Blame the RAM and their crappy record-keeping for that.

[trout]

Why do you and Maccas continue to list this as a circulating release, when it's obvious that there aren't any out there?

With a supposed mintage of only 2.7 Million 31 years ago I imagine that the attrition rate for this coin would be pretty high given the age of the coin.
Also being a low mintage coin collectors would have hoarded many of them over the years as well.
Or maybe RAM simply melted them down.
Either way we will NEVER know because the people that actually produced the 1985 coin are either dead now or are scattered around the globe and finding them is next to impossible let alone getting a true account of the events in 83 from them.

Crikey we cannot even get a definitive answer from RAM as to why the incused millennium 50C was minted 16 years ago, Let alone getting an account of what actually occurred 31 years ago to a 2 bob bit :angel:

[Fulvio]

we cannot even get a definitive answer from RAM as to why the incused millennium 50C was minted

We know why.

They were going to do a painted coin for the sets. They changed their minds, and did the printed flat proof and normal mint set coin. And they used the die for circulation coins.

We'll never know how the decision(s) came about, but does that matter?

[trout]

we cannot even get a definitive answer from RAM as to why the incused millennium 50C was minted

We know why.

They were going to do a painted coin for the sets. They changed their minds, and did the printed flat proof and normal mint set coin. And they used the die for circulation coins.

We'll never know how the decision(s) came about, but does that matter?

Yes, But is that conjecture or documented Fact :angel:

[Fulvio]

Yes, But is that conjecture or documented Fact :angel:

No idea. Given my own dealings with them, I very much doubt anything is documented, even if it is fact.

[trout]

Yes, But is that conjecture or documented Fact :angel:

No idea. Given my own dealings with them, I very much doubt anything is documented, even if it is fact.

:laugh2:

[Mister T]

Apparently they're exempt from FOI requests now: https://www.ramint.gov.au/freedom-information-act
There was some information about the 2000 incuse 50c there before I thought.

[trout]

The Royal Australian Mint is exempt from the Freedom of Information Act as the Act applies only to Ministers and 'agencies'. The Mint it is not defined as an agency in the Freedom of Information act as it was not established by either an enactment or an Order-in –Council. Therefore, the Mint is not an agency for the purpose of the Act or subject to the provisions of the Act.

I wonder how that judgment came about and more importantly WHY ??
As far as I am aware (and I could be wrong "Again") all the circulating coinage is funded from the Australian Public Coffers and each individual coin design is approved via an act of Parliament It would stand to reason that ANY variation in a given design or specification Should be noted and made available for public scrutiny.

With the amount of secrecy and bullshit surrounding and coming out of the Mint Is it any wonder why collectors have little regard or belief in what the RAM has to say these days.:angel:

Should you wish to request information from the Mint please email info@ramint.gov.au with your enquiry.

Best of luck trying that :dodgy:

[Fulvio]

I wonder how that judgment came about and more importantly WHY ??

Probably not for nefarious reasons. More likely it was simply one of the many government-owned services that wasn't specifically included.

Try asking BHP for details of their operations. Actually, try asking a privately-owned and operated company with no requirement to lodge public reports at all. That's what the mint is.. a private company which just happens to be owned by the government. For now, anyway.

[trout]

I wonder how that judgment came about and more importantly WHY ??

Probably not for nefarious reasons. More likely it was simply one of the many government-owned services that wasn't specifically included.

Try asking BHP for details of their operations. Actually, try asking a privately-owned and operated company with no requirement to lodge public reports at all. That's what the mint is.. a private company which just happens to be owned by the government. For now, anyway.

I wasn't aware that you could buy shares in the Mint :angel:
The term "Government owned Private company" is pretty much like saying "Partly Pregnant" :ok:
If the government "Owns" something then it is Government Property as it isn't Privately owned.

[Fulvio]

I wasn't aware that you could buy shares in the Mint :angel:

Not yet. This is exactly where Telstra was before they flogged it off. A private company, 100% owned by the government. Its standard operating procedure for these types of things.

[Fulvio]

I've just spoken to the RBA in Sydney.

After much confusion, during which they kept assuring me the serials count down, they contacted the production team and confirmed that they have in fact reversed that, and serials count UP from 0000000 to 9999999. The last serial SHOULD be something like 3148148.

I've updated the PDF and uploaded it to http://fulvio55.altervista.org/ with today's date.
Oh, also, if you're in Sydney, they still have 2015 $10 notes. These will be withdrawn from sale once the new 2017 $10 comes out towards the end of next year.

[Fulvio]

I have now added a second page with sheet layouts for all notes from 1993. Note that this is for the first sheet only. You can do the math for multi-sheet years.

[Hercules]

I've just spoken to the RBA in Sydney.

After much confusion, during which they kept assuring me the serials count down, they contacted the production team and confirmed that they have in fact reversed that, and serials count UP from 0000000 to 9999999.

I feel compelled to roll my eyes. This has been obvious to me for the last 3 weeks, yet the Reserve Bank still hasn't figured this out, despite having a 2-year head start. Surely, they should be able to answer such basic questions about their own notes! :rolleyes:

Oh, also, if you're in Sydney, they still have 2015 $10 notes. These will be withdrawn from sale once the new 2017 $10 comes out towards the end of next year.

I'm more interesting in getting hold of the 2014 $5 notes. Next time you talk to them, could you please ask them whether they can release some to collectors before they're all destroyed?

[Fulvio]

Surely, they should be able to answer such basic questions about their own notes! :rolleyes:

could you please ask them whether they can release some to collectors before they're all destroyed?

I totally agree. The lack of information from both the RBA and RAM are staggering. The people you talk to seem genuinely interested in being helpful, but they either aren't told, or not allowed to share. Did you see my battle to find out the weight on a coin pallet a while back? Ended up getting it from the US Mint.

Already asked. They withdraw notes from sale as soon as the replacements are available. Oh, and they deny actively destroying notes too. They say they will be destroyed as and when they are no longer fit for purpose.

Which leads me to a theory, of course...

Some time ago,  I saw mention of a new machine which could automate the 'mute' identification process. No longer would they have to rely on tellers to mute notes and send them for destruction. Now every note would be scanned in the normal course of its travels, and the bad ones automatically removed from the reissue stream.

Well, I think the reason branches are sending off ALL their old notes is so they can go through said machine rather than being reissued by the branch. The good ones will come back in due course, while dodgy notes a human might pass will be shredded.

If I'm right, we'll see a steady improvement in the quality of circulating notes. Some of the ones I got from an old-style branch the other day were super bad. Tears, heavy folds and graffiti as well as plain old heavy wear.