New Electronic Stuff

interest · May 17, 2015, 11:23:47 PM

I miss Windows 95:dodgy:

Quote from: 'triplewitch' pid='72568' dateline='1431870165'A lot of people miss Windows XP.

markn · May 18, 2015, 07:40:38 AM

We use Linux on our file server and all our web servers. For day to day use we still use Windows.

Can't wait for Fulvio to show up here and tell us how we should be doing it.

Goldseeker · May 18, 2015, 09:32:05 AM

Blast the new electronic stuff.

Now my desk top will not allow me to access my emails.

Asking for a password for Outlook.pst?

Me no savvy and then it tells me to contact my server. My server is in the shower at present so me no savvy.

My son will come over and rescue me later I hope.

The other thing is all the time now I am getting unwanted ads popping up at the bottom right of the screen. Anyone know how to stop these blasted things and NO, I will not exchange/change/ for a MAC.

JeffH · May 18, 2015, 10:04:44 AM

Regardless of which operating system you use I am a big fan of being one generation behind the latest -let others experience the teething pains of the newest and "best".
I bought a new computer and relegated my old one to backup (networked so both could be online together). Then I upgraded the motherboard on the old one with a recently superceded one (very cheap that way) and added some more RAM. It went so well I thought I should not have bothered buying the new one!
New one came without operating system and I purchased Windows 7 Pro plus Office Pro 2010 at academic price (again cheap). [Lucky to have an academic in the family who uses Macs so she is not interested in Microsoft offers. Is that cheer in the distance Fulvio?]

When Microsoft stopped supporting XP I bought a Windows 7 OEM key from a dealer (you guessed it, cheap) and upgraded it to Windows 7.
I personally was happier with windows XP than I am with 7.
And, I would probably not buy MS Office ever again -go with Open Office (it's free).

Now, don't start thinking I am a cheapskate -just believe it. :good:

Goldseeker · May 18, 2015, 09:07:29 PM

Ok, but you must be either a Jew or a Scotsman or a bit o both are ye not?

ausproofs · May 24, 2015, 09:32:49 AM

After many years of using Windows computers (OS) I have done a leap of faith and bought an Apple Macbook yesterday. Man what a diffrence is the way it perform ! I am usually an Android user in terms of phones/tablets. However the amount of seamless integration capabilities Apple OS brings is amazing. From H/W perspective, it is beautifully crafted...

I am not sure if I ever go back to using a Windows OS computer again ! Unless Microsoft can do the same with its OS... :angel:

Fulvio · May 24, 2015, 09:47:30 AM

Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='72946' dateline='1432425769'After many years of using Windows computers (OS) I have done a leap of faith and bought an Apple Macbook yesterday.

Welcome to the fold.

Trust me, you'll never go back. Not that OSX doesn't have its foibles... there's plenty I don't like, especially in the newest versions. But its like driving a Rolls vs a Lada. Both will get you there, usually. Both will break down, sometimes. One is just far higher quality than the other.

Ever notice that whenever you see computers on TV (not paid placements, just interviewees in their homes or offices), they're almost always Macs? And the further up the socioeconomic scale you go, the more likely that is? Now why would that be? Could it be that the more value people place on their time, the less inclined they are to waste it messing about with crappy products? :angel:

Happy now, Mark? :diablo:

markn · May 24, 2015, 10:54:56 AM

Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='72949' dateline='1432426650'Ever notice that whenever you see computers on TV (not paid placements, just interviewees in their homes or offices), they're almost always Macs? And the further up the socioeconomic scale you go, the more likely that is? Now why would that be? Could it be that the more value people place on their time, the less inclined they are to waste it messing about with crappy products? :angel:

Happy now, Mark? :diablo:

It could be because people higher up the socio economic scale are more concerned about how they are perceived regardless of the actual quality of the product.

trout · May 24, 2015, 11:03:39 AM

Quote from: 'markn' pid='72951' dateline='1432430696'
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='72949' dateline='1432426650'Ever notice that whenever you see computers on TV (not paid placements, just interviewees in their homes or offices), they're almost always Macs? And the further up the socioeconomic scale you go, the more likely that is? Now why would that be? Could it be that the more value people place on their time, the less inclined they are to waste it messing about with crappy products? :angel:

Happy now, Mark? :diablo:

It could be because people higher up the socio economic scale are more concerned about how they are perceived regardless of the actual quality of the product.

Something like that special brand of coffee in the movie the bucket list

serial · May 24, 2015, 11:14:31 AM

Quote from: 'markn' pid='72951' dateline='1432430696'
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='72949' dateline='1432426650'Ever notice that whenever you see computers on TV (not paid placements, just interviewees in their homes or offices), they're almost always Macs? And the further up the socioeconomic scale you go, the more likely that is? Now why would that be? Could it be that the more value people place on their time, the less inclined they are to waste it messing about with crappy products? :angel:

Happy now, Mark? :diablo:

It could be because people higher up the socio economic scale are more concerned about how they are perceived regardless of the actual quality of the product.

its also because they want turn key solutions to problems. I know a few of these top of the economic scale type people quite well and they have no idea as to how computers work. but they do have faith that Apple will tell them what to do and have no problem paying for it. its only money after all.
funny thing is we are not talking people incapable of working it out, most are lawyers, CEOs, doctors, engineers, architects etc. they simply choose not to learn how to make it work
Time poor/money rich kinda people

Fulvio · May 24, 2015, 12:36:41 PM

Quote from: 'serial' pid='72956' dateline='1432431871'its also because they want turn key solutions to problems.

That is a very good point actually.

I remember sitting on the couch at a mate's place once while he tried to get his PC working. He's a tech guy, who builds and sells computers, phone systems, networks and other high tech wizardry. So not a noob or ignorant about computers.

It took him four and a half hours, including multiple reinstalls of XP, tearing every card out, and adding them back in one at a time to eventually find an IRQ conflict.

I admit I was kinda smug when I asked him how much he charges for his time, and whether these types of wastes of it were really worth the 'savings' of not buying a Mac. This was not an isolated incident, nor were the continual 'upgrades' that led to a cupboard full of old motherboards, cards and assorted other bits and pieces. Yet he persisted in claiming Macs were overpriced.

Oddly enough, everything changed when his daughter moved back home, bringing her Mac with her, forcing him to learn about them. Its now a multi-platform household, and he's finally stopped rubbishing Apple. I do miss our arguments though... :angel:

Someone once said "I don't need a PC. I have an english motorcycle to waste all my time and money on. That's why I bought a Mac."

serial · May 24, 2015, 01:14:09 PM

all good points fulvio, but if you wish to tinker with the computer then macs are useless. there are less opportunities to upgrade, repair or circumnavigate systems to make things happen that original developers didn't think of.
basically if you want a computer to tell you what it can do, get a mac. if you want a computer that you make do what you want buy a pc

ausproofs · May 24, 2015, 02:15:52 PM

Quote from: 'serial' pid='72968' dateline='1432439049'all good points fulvio, but if you wish to tinker with the computer then macs are useless. there are less opportunities to upgrade, repair or circumnavigate systems to make things happen that original developers didn't think of.
basically if you want a computer to tell you what it can do, get a mac. if you want a computer that you make do what you want buy a pc

I beg to differ mate, unless you are talking about playing around with the OS/messing with the H/W.

If you are a developer , you will always ask for a Mac for development and they don't touch windows machines ... Linux is not a bad OS for developers either ...

serial · May 24, 2015, 02:20:55 PM

gaming, online black hatting other stuff I wont mention on a public forum
macs are safe but pc's can be pushed to do things that would damage a mac beyond repair

Fulvio · May 24, 2015, 05:40:22 PM

Quote from: 'serial' pid='72971' dateline='1432443055'gaming, online black hatting other stuff I wont mention on a public forum
macs are safe but pc's can be pushed to do things that would damage a mac beyond repair

"Damage"??

You do realise that the basic hardware is pretty much exactly the same, right? Other than the custom firmware that makes a Mac a Mac, its all bog standard components, in a much better engineered package.

And I would argue that there's not much you can't do with a Mac Pro. Sure, there may be the odd card that the designers couldn't be bothered writing OSX drivers for, or obscure bits and pieces that break all the rules and won't even work with every version of Windows, but by and large, you can't get more plug and play than a Mac. Everything just works without the need to sacrifice chickens or read tea leaves.

Anyway, in this day and age, a $35 Raspberry Pi is the go for those few who want to fiddle about. Old-school computers are for the majority of people who just want to get things done.