Irish pre-decimal coins

spraggdean23 · November 03, 2014, 07:20:14 PM

Hello all. Does anyone else here collect Irish pre-decimals? I have a small collection and really like the designs. This penny would have to be my best Irish pre-decimal coin.
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30509919.html

Triggersmob · November 03, 2014, 07:50:00 PM

I don't specifically collect these coins, but I do have some in my world collection.

serial · November 03, 2014, 08:19:21 PM

I recently got this graded
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30709420.html
I have a complete set of pre dec Irish coins but none worth grading

spraggdean23 · November 03, 2014, 08:37:43 PM

Steve, I have found the 1965 halfpenny that you have one of a bit harder to come by than some of the other dates from the same time period. Seems to be not many around in uncirculated condition.
Cheers Dean.

Quote from: 'serial' pid='61811' dateline='1415008161'I recently got this graded
http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/30709420.html
I have a complete set of pre dec Irish coins but none worth grading

A complete pre-decimal set including the 1943 Florin?

Nevol · November 03, 2014, 09:33:59 PM

I have a fair number of Ireland Pre-Decimals, but probably none worth slabbing.
Without getting them all out, these are what I'm fairly certain I have.

¼d x   7
½d x   14   Set minus 1939
1d x   22   Full Set
3d x   22   Full Set
6d x   27   Full Set
1/- x   11
2/- x   14
2/6d   x 11
10/-   x 1

serial · November 03, 2014, 10:48:38 PM

No I have one of each denomination

spraggdean23 · January 30, 2017, 07:40:47 PM

A while ago I sent this Irish threepence via Eric Eigner to Pcgs. Because it looks a little different to some of the other Irish coins I have I got it in my head it may be a specimen strike however it came back from Pcgs as a business strike. I am probably only dreaming however I am still not convinced it is not a specimen strike. Is there anyone who knows anything about Irish coins on here I can send it to to have a look at in the flesh.http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32030157

trout · January 30, 2017, 08:31:14 PM

That IS a great looking coin But unfortunately to me it doesn't look like a Specimen Strike.
I have Australian and Canadian Specimen coins and they have a different "Look" to your coin.

Here is a Specimen Cook and your coin for comparison :ok:
Note the difference in the fields and the strike.

spraggdean23 · January 30, 2017, 09:25:05 PM

Yeah I can see the difference mate however different series of coins. Is that Captain Cook Pcgs graded and if so what is the grade?. It is a really nice example of one of those.

trout · January 30, 2017, 09:38:47 PM

Quote from: 'spraggdean23' pid='104630' dateline='1485773705'Yeah I can see the difference mate however different series of coins. Is that Captain Cook Pcgs graded and if so what is the grade?. It is a really nice example of one of those.

Regardless of what series a coin comes from the different types of coins produced, Business strike, Proof, Specimen and Proof Like remain the same.
The use of Chrome dies to strike Business strike coins can cause some confusion but as a rule coins are graded and attributed by the appearance and finish on any given coin.

The Cook coin is a SP67 I think

markn · January 31, 2017, 09:22:57 AM

Quote from: 'trout' pid='104631' dateline='1485774527'Regardless of what series a coin comes from the different types of coins produced, Business strike, Proof, Specimen and Proof Like remain the same.

No they don't. Irish specimens look nothing like the Cook specimens. Early 20th Century Australian specimens look nothing like Cook specimens either. While we're on it pre-decimal proofs look nothing like modern decimal proofs either.

Times change, manufacturing techniques improve. Specimen / proof denotes a method of manufacture not a "look" or "appearance".

trout · January 31, 2017, 01:42:46 PM

I was looking at the SP graded Irish coins on the PCGS pop reports and
The only image of a copper specimen was this one.
It has the nice smooth and polished looking fields and is a great strike.
Is it that different to the cook coin in appearance?

spraggdean23 · January 31, 2017, 03:02:30 PM

Look at the picture of the other ones the 66red and the 65red because the image like this one of the ms65rb ex King Norton looked nothing like this to the naked eye when heritage had taken their own photos of it for one of their recent auctions. Now I reckon I have found one of these as well so if anyone would look at the 67 threepence could they please look at this 1968 penny I have had in my collection for a while. The penny is tarnished from being stored in the humidity here in Brisbane and may get environmental damage or a lower grade if it gets sent to Pcgs.

markn · February 01, 2017, 09:05:09 AM

Quote from: 'trout' pid='104655' dateline='1485832366'

That coin looks like that because of the way it's been imaged, light directly into coin and back into camera lens rather than on a oblique. I am not sure you can draw any comparisons between that and your Cook coin.

spraggdean23 · February 04, 2017, 02:28:27 PM

If anyone has any 1968 Irish Pennies it would pay to have a quick look at them. This piece of information is copied from the Pennies for sale listing from the Denton Irish coins website. 1968 PROOF Penny does it exist? We've seen at least 20 up for sale in the last year or two, and the ones we managed to examine were only currency strikes on polished 'prooflike' flans... we understand a mint-bag or two were so produced. I am sure some of these will end up being sent to Pcgs which begs the question should they be graded MS, PL or SP?