2000 Millennium Incuse RAM Image

[Pedro]

Nicely worded Steve - seems to cover all avenues. Now, where is that paperwork ...

Pedro

[Steveqld]

Nicely worded Steve - seems to cover all avenues. Now, where is that paperwork ...

Pedro

I suspect the documentation should include a design image of the intended coin so if that comes up I'll be happy and be over the moon if it included a ballpark mintage figure.

The RAM Annual Reports I saw state there have been no FOI applications hence no relevant entries on the Information Publication Scheme.  I think someone at RAM is this morning saying @#$%^&*)??

[markn]

I bit the bullet on the week-end and submitted a Freedom of Information request to the RAM along the lines:

Documents sought:  Documents that relate to the decision to create an "incused variety" die including the purpose for which the die was intended and also relating to the use, either deliberately or unintentionally, of the incused die to strike circulating coins.


See how we go in a month or so.

Nice.  Let us know how it goes.

[robbiegal]

good luck
I am not sure if business in confidence is able to be released? even under FOI's?
plus, I think that any mistakes are less likely to be documented ?

hum
interesting

[Steveqld]

good luck
I am not sure if business in confidence is able to be released? even under FOI's?
plus, I think that any mistakes are less likely to be documented ?

hum
interesting

Can but try.  I considered the "exempt information" and public interest provisions before applying and couldn't see any that applied (my opinion only) so I'll just have to wait and see if they wish to claim those grounds for refusal and consider whether it is worthwhile applying for an internal/external review.  I would expect any such material to be redacted and the rest provided.

Also agree about the "mistakes" being documented.  These conversations tend to be in person with limited material appearing in print solely to circumvent FOI laws.

In the end if they don't give me anything then I don't pay anything.  Not sure if it is the same at the federal level but in Queensland the onus is on the agency to show why the material should not be released.

[purplepennyhunter]

Well lets wait and see, very interesting.

[robbiegal]

worth a try
I don't know anyone around here to ask about it  (well that worked on that coin) but there seems to be someone in another forum who is a mint employee or something

usually in government department you aren't suppose to disclose certain things in a public setting
I think a person can be fined for breaches

well here a lot of gov. workers who I meet are signed to 15 years or is it 25 years (?) confidentiality statements

[purplepennyhunter]

You could go hang out at the smoke-o spot by the fire hydrant house? out the front with guys on their break.

[trout]

You could go hang out at the smoke-o spot by the fire hydrant house? out the front with guys on their break.

Be Nice PP , Robbie is a happily married woman.
Send AJ :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2::diablo:

[robbiegal]

You could go hang out at the smoke-o spot by the fire hydrant house? out the front with guys on their break.

yep done that

that is how I got to know Wojciech a little better
not that he smokes

might have to ask around and see if I can find out any gos on that coin

but an óffical' FOI might unearth some historical facts 'for the record'

You could go hang out at the smoke-o spot by the fire hydrant house? out the front with guys on their break.

Be Nice PP , Robbie is a happily married woman.
Send AJ :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2::diablo:

yeah
I got flowers tonight too - thank-you flowers
so I am all for a glowing report!! (tonight that is!! ha ha)

he is well trained and generally keeps his mitts OFF my Tupperware stores ha ha

[runway]

There were only 2 versions approved in the Currency Determination (1999 No. 5)
1)  A representation of the Australian National Flag in colour, surrounded by the inscriptions:

(a)      'MILLENNIUM YEAR'; and

(b)      '50 cents'.

and

2)  A representation of the Australian National Flag, surrounded by the inscriptions:

(a)      'MILLENNIUM YEAR'; and

(b)      '50 Cents'.

If they had intended to mint one with inlaid enamel then I would have thought there would have been a third description along the lines "with a coloured union jack" but that doesn't mean they weren't thinking about it early in the piece, just that it didn't progress to getting approval to go ahead with the design.

Great effort Steve I am very interested to hear the outcome

[Steveqld]

My second email from the RAM (the first was just to acknowledge receipt)

"As you can imagine records from 2000 are quite difficult to find so I wanted to get in contact with you to discover what kind of documents you were hoping for us to locate? My understanding is:
·         Documents that state the decision to create the incused die and for what purpose.
·         Documents relating to the use of the incused die

Is that correct?"

I hope the comment "As you can imagine records from 2000 are quite difficult to find" isn't intended to prime me for a declaration that the records are unavailable.  Govt Departments just aren't that careless with their information or their administrative records so I'm sure some info will be available either electronically or in hard copy and will just negotiate so that it doesn't create an unreasonable workload for them.

Two weeks down and a bit over two to go.

[Goldseeker]

Don't fret, I sent the RAM four emails almost 12 months ago and I have sent a further four or five chase/reminders.   I am still waiting for responses.

[robbiegal]

you have to be specific for an FOI Steve (as you'd already know)
they might even charge you as well - I think it is about $75 (there is probably a scheduled fee somewhere)

[Steveqld]

Yes I knew there was a fee and had a look at it before making the application.  The costs look reasonable:

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2010C00740

$15/hr to retrieve the document
+ $20/hr to peruse the documents but the first 5 hours are free
+ $0.10 per page to photocopy

It should be a simple request.  One coin where all the info should be in one file and easily locatable and little, if any, of the info should be exempt so little redacting.

Costs are negotiable and reviewable and in the end, if it becomes prohibitively expensive the applicant can just say "No thanks".

Interesting comment from Goldie: Don't fret, I sent the RAM four emails almost 12 months ago and I have sent a further four or five chase/reminders. I am still waiting for responses.


The RAM email had queried:  Have you contacted us in the normal fashion for this type of information before?

I replied:  No this was my first request to the RAM for info.  In my home state an inquirer gets nothing from a Govt Department unless it is by an RTI (Right to Information) application as that offers the Dept some protection over the release of the info and offers the applicant some avenues for reviewing the decision.  Also I suspect if I made an informal query I would get the short answer that the info isn't available.  If the info is available through an alternative administrative process and it is easier for everyone to withdraw my application then I'm happy to do that.