Does this look right ?

Started by trout, June 08, 2014, 02:41:49 PM

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Basil

It looks like one from the batch of fakes a couple of years ago but with a different rider,telltale is the rod thing on the shoulder of the Kings robes,on the genuine ones it touches the rim,on that coin and other fakes its just short. Sorry for bad explanation but i don't have my notes with me.
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proof27

thought tip of nose should be sharper, but hand over horse looks good, fakes usually just blend in with the horses body with no defined fingers, cant really tell if back of cloak goes all the way to rim which it should, wreath of back of head looks sus, still ugly.

duggee27

to me its a dud ..
the rider is emaciated (!) over defined
the long ding mark that starts at rim thru 'r' ,flame, arm, horses mane and shoulder -- where is the missing metal , no flat spots ?? as if it was missing from die
only in the hand i might , just might be able tell from toning etc if its a dud..

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trout

Quote from: 'Basil' pid='51747' dateline='1402223292'It looks like one from the batch of fakes a couple of years ago but with a different rider,telltale is the rod thing on the shoulder of the Kings robes,on the genuine ones it touches the rim,on that coin and other fakes its just short. Sorry for bad explanation but i don't have my notes with me.

NONE of the Kings robes make it to the rim on those fakes, well pointed out and remembered well done  Mate :good:

It is fantastic to see you mob putting your thinking caps on and sussing this out.
At the end of the day it may be worthy of adding to ACF's "Wikki" to help other collectors to be  aware of the fakes with this particular coin :good:
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bellyflorin

looks ok to  me , the use of lighting and the resizing/angle of the photo has  distorted the photo , there is 2 deep cuts on the chest which makes the rider look like  he has a rib cage lol,  i was just wondering if it was a impaired proof or specimen  the cut is right where the nipple  might be i gave up looking

trout

Quotelooks ok to me , the use of lighting and the resizing/angle of the photo has distorted the photo ,

Are you serious Belly?
The reason that the reeding stopped at the Kings robe on a genuine coin  was because they stopped at the edge of the coin to enhance the design.
The makers of the fakes tend NOT to realise this at the moment and it is a significant marker of a fake coin :ok:
This coin is different to the earlier "Copies" because the riders details are different once again, Notice where the rider "Joins" the horse , the right arm is disjointed and the left arm has a flat bicep.
lighting and resizing WONT change the design characteristics of a coin IMHO
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trout

Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='51775' dateline='1402232122'No star on the badge which makes it obvious

Well done mate , I was waiting for that :good:
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interest

The more you look at it the more laughable it becomes that is one bad copy.
Just look at his ear, there is a star kind of thing around his neck, man
I think it's funny.
Hope nobody bids on that.

bellyflorin

Quote from: 'trout' pid='51774' dateline='1402231709'
Quotelooks ok to me , the use of lighting and the resizing/angle of the photo has distorted the photo ,

Are you serious Belly?
The reason that the reeding stopped at the Kings robe on a genuine coin  was because they stopped at the edge of the coin to enhance the design.
The makers of the fakes tend NOT to realise this at the moment and it is a significant marker of a fake coin :ok:
This coin is different to the earlier "Copies" because the riders details are different once again, Notice where the rider "Joins" the horse , the right arm is disjointed and the left arm has a flat bicep.
lighting and resizing WONT change the design characteristics of a coin IMHO



yes i am serious trout it looks fine to me

markers for genuine 34/35
the flame touches the nose of rider
the curled ribbon behind riders head is there
the script/legend looks flat and square
there's heaps of detail on the rider's wreath
the spacing between the letters in melbourne  is right
the rider has a nice detailed  hand  
the nose is nice and sharp on the George
the right hand side of robe does meet the rim hard to see because of toning  but it does  and has a split .
going by the  sellers  description the weight of coin is right 11.314g
diameter is nilly right 28 mm  should be 28.5 but close enough.

 the ear  looks ok  and the star looks like it is missing ,tho if you   angle any coins details do go missing when you do photo.


:rolleyes:

trout

Quoteyes i am serious trout it looks fine to me

 markers for genuine 34/35
 the flame touches the nose of rider
 the curled ribbon behind riders head is there
 the script/legend looks flat and square
 there's heaps of detail on the rider's wreath
 the spacing between the letters in melbourne is right
 the rider has a nice detailed hand
 the nose is nice and sharp on the George
 the right hand side of robe does meet the rim hard to see because of toning but it does and has a split .
 going by the sellers description the weight of coin is right 11.314g
 diameter is nilly right 28 mm should be 28.5 but close enough.

I agree that everything is where it should be but it isn't the same quality as a genuine coin.
Have a look at where the riders body meets the horse and the way the "Ear" has been carved at the front of it.

It makes me think that a genuine coin was used as a mold to make a die then reworked to produce this coin.
The entire coin has a "Chiselled " look about it and not the beautifully carved design produced by the Mint.
The design on the Kings robe looks all wrong and the back of the robe is truncated and doesn't reach the rim as it should.
Have a look at the rider's arms and torso, they are almost cartoon like.
At a glance the coin looks OK , but on careful inspection there are far too many differences to make this coin "Kosher"
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wwwww

It looks authentic to me too, something's been done to it though. It's been harshly polished and it looks like it's been treated with heat as well, possible due to jewelry use.

ausjack

Well if Belly and Walter are both saying yay I know where I am but it does look funny and I don't know how to tell fakes yet sorry
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robbiegal

even the professionals don't always spot them AJ
so don't worry

Goldseeker

Have another look at the end of the horses tail.   It is not feathered as it should be.

me thinks a fake and should be well left alone but then again I am an amateur at these things.
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