panic attacks

robbiegal · November 15, 2013, 08:00:00 PM

thanks,
I don't know much about computers at all but there is other stuff that I do know about having worked in the field for over 20 years & have also started doing a masters in mental health so I have been refreshing the old CBT theories and learning new ones. costs a bomb but I am loving it

anyways, have a try and see if it works for you

another one;

you can also lie down on the floor on your back
put your hands gently across the chest just on the base of the sternum - have the longest fingertips touching
take a deep breath - breath in & out very slowly and as deeply as is comfortable

make the fingers gently pull away from each other

if they don't move apart then you aren't drawing the breath down far enough and are probably breathing in a shallow breathing technique - which keeps anxiety happening - this exercise helps to retrain the old lungs

plus it gives you something to focus on instead of freakin out about freakin out

ausjack · November 15, 2013, 08:49:12 PM

GTFO I feel so good as for so long I've felt alone so thank you all for sharing, what a great community we are getting

Greg McDonald · November 16, 2013, 12:26:18 AM

Hi again everyone,

Really heartfelt stuff going on here. Do you think we should pass on all these threads to "Beyond Blue"? I'm really serious. This is all good stuff, with respect to all the participants who have been very brave in sharing some really horrific experiences. Imagine how many other forums out there that have untold numbers of members who have no release for their fears or worse - have no one to talk to. I for one feel a real weight off my shoulders for what I have said about my own situation - and I use my own name! Even so it is very obvious that while you have user names you pretty much all know each other - even more so in recent months. Good on you Ausjack for sticking you head up. It was a gutsy risk but I think you hit a real cord and the bond between all members has tighted a hundred fold...just hope you all remember this when the new book comes out. Happy to cop any suggestions, or positive criticisms....but be gentle!

Regards as always

Greg

Unicorn · November 16, 2013, 12:34:37 AM

Thanks for the breathing pointers RG, will try to incorporate that. Looks like you might be assembling a good patient list!
AJ ... don't worry mate, you're definately not alone. :good:

ausjack · November 16, 2013, 07:12:26 AM

Thanks Uni, appreciate it mate

I haven't been on the computer long really, only about 5 coming up 6 years and I've been teaching my self along with help from some fantastic members :good: as I can't sit for extended periods and due to the old scone I'm a bit slow..only getting things to sink in other wise I've still got a bit of grey left, but anyway I have been on a few forums now and found most well nearly every bloody one very umm self centred and absorbed but we are making this one of the best sites I have ever seen and the amount of love here just blows my mind, so there's 4 main people that I want to thank, AC and trout, with out this pair I wouldn't be here as they put me on to it but it did take them a little to get me to come around but I am so glad I did now and two others are Belly and Kel, these two bloke are so friendly and I love you all just so very much as some here know when your in that hole, the walls seem so high you can never get a grip to get out so sometimes we need a helping hand. Greg if you'd like to do something like that than you have my full blessing as you never know as it might just help someone else that feel the same way.

For those of you that didn't see trout's thread "show us ya mug", (not for week stomach) as there's a pic in here of me after they played humpty dumpty with me

http://www.australian-coins.net/showthread.php?tid=406 and for those that are interested and wonder why I go off well here's a little for you to think about and why it could end up so hard for your kids and grand kids with all our history including medical are all over the net and as I was a test case for work cover and like most things it's a very long and depressing story and as we are sharing I'll share a little more about me, my name is Jayson O'Cass so just look for my name and if you google me I come up so any future employer can see my history so there's no point in even trying to lie and if you do get caught they can sack you straight away

I hope this link works http://www.wcc.nsw.gov.au/Decisions/Decisions/10518-04%20O'Cass.pdf so with all that has happened to me I can see why I get a little down from time to time but if we can help anyone if anyway I'm all for it :good:

I know a lot of you think I'm a nut case but that's ok, over time you will all find out about me as I really couldn't care any more and happy to share some of my downs and what I can do sometimes to get out of it

Top forum top people just really really love it..and some special members just a little more :winkextra:

Anyway that's enough for today so be happy and good to your selves..more to come

Oh and why I didn't use my real name was that they say not to so my first user name was cyberjack8 (still my ebay) as I couldn't think of anything so as I'm Jack and I was in cyber space and I started in 08 that's how that come about but then I thought some people might trip out and think I'm a cyber jacker :laugh2: so then I thought well I've been know as aussie as well so ausjack was born but I don't care as most here know my name and as it's a locked sort of forum makes it easier as I really don't think I would have gone this far and opened up so much on CCF, but then ya never know :winkextra:

never walk alone, gerry and the pacemakers :good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV5_LQArLa0

And to all those I've been a prick to I'm so very sorry and offer my most humbley and sincerely appology and I hope to be a better man in the future :heart:

and to those that are worried about their spelling so don't like to post, please don't as we can work out what your saying so please please post away and if you want to spell check just got to your email and use it for spell check them copy paste back on the forum (there's more than one way to skin a cat), I do this sometime as I forget how to spell so that's why I use little words a lot..we can find ways around things if we really want to :winkextra:

Fulvio · November 16, 2013, 12:18:47 PM

Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='34544' dateline='1384548146'I can see why I get a little down from time to time

How could you not? I think we all understand, mate. Some more than others perhaps.

While that decision was certainly fair, the underlying assumptions most certainly are not. Its all fine and wonderful to say "you could do this", but if noone will give you the opportunity, well, no, you can't do this. Been there, done that...

Back in the early 80's, I was alone in the computer room while we were printing pension cheques. As luck would have it, all three printers stopped simultaneously, and I had to get things rolling again. So I threw boxes of cheques into the first two, then 3-part paper into the third. And yeah, I wasn't too careful about the old "don't be a crane" thing. So I ended up on the floor, unable to move, and that's how they found me.

That was the start of eight years of just about every form of torture known to man. I did various jobs, ranging from inspirational to soul-destroying. I had time in and out of work, hospitals and bed. I set records of 9 months at work, and 2 hours (that was when I collapsed and took a whole trolley of tapes for a waltz across the room). And I got depressed. And ate.

So one fine day, after over thirty doctors and countless examinations, procedures and reports, they sent me to a new guy. I walked in, and before I even sat down he said "jeez you're fat". Never even examined me, and said in his report that if there was an injury, it was due to weight and not at all work-related. Never mind the weight gain was recent. Never mind CAT scans and reports by every other doctor.

So that was the end of that. Oh and by the way, your job no longer exists, since its been relocated to Canberra, so you can go drive a desk somewhere instead. Except the razor gang says we need to shed a bazillion staff, so you're one of them. Congratulations. Seeya later alligator.

To be fair, HR bent over backwards to help me. They pulled every trick out of the book, which meant I walked away with at least double what I otherwise would have, but the bottom line was the dole queue.

And you already knows how THAT goes. You tell them you have a problem, they won't hire you. You don't tell them, they find out, you're toast. So it wasn't a real happy story from there on. And of course the injury is still there, and still lays me out now and then. So reliability is not a strong suit.

The only real answer in this situation is self-employment. That way at least you know the boss understands. But thanks to Paul Keating and his "recession we had to have" and 19% interest rates, that took 7 years of my life and a million dollars.. and ruined my relationships with family and others to boot. Not particularly uplifting, and wierd things start to happen. You wake up a thousand miles from home one day with no recollection of the previous week. You yell at people a lot. You don't get out of bed for 6 months. And so on and so on.

Until one day, you get hauled in to Centrelink for yet another review, but this time happen to strike a sympathetic young lady. A half hour appointment stretches out to three, emotions flow and tissue boxes deplete. She makes it her personal quest to make things right. Charging off astride her steely desk, slaying paper monsters with flaming pens, decades of misery suddenly abate with the arrival of a thin blue card in the mail.

Life is not perfect. Far from it. The pain is still there. As is the angst and frustration. But the bad years provided valuable lessons now put to good use. How to live on nothing for one. How to view each morning as an accomplishment. How to appreciate time and friends and sun and wind... mosquitos not so much.

And y'know what? In the end it doesn't really matter anyway. No silver spoon or mountain of money, no amount of fame, luxury or indulgence is going to save anyone from the ultimate fate we all face. So why worry? Good, bad or indifferent, each day is just another step closer to the cliff, so we may as well make the best of it while the trip lasts, eh?

Once that realisation sinks in, life truly becomes a remarkable gift. :angel:

ausjack · November 16, 2013, 12:45:48 PM

yeah it's finally kicking in, thank you

Mate I hear you so loud and clear, near mirror actually

Less being McDuck that is :winkextra: :mocking: I'd post some emails that I got from my personal file from the council all legal and asked if I could copy and told yes and they were from upper management saying to get rid of me ASAP and I show, can't remember if it was 4 or 5 legal eagles and they all said "where did you get that" and then an abrupt "don't want to know anything about it". I have some really good reading but I wouldn't want to get Mark or Kathryn in legal trouble 'cause I wanna stick it to the man

robbiegal · November 16, 2013, 02:37:06 PM

yes AJ
always best to keep any legal battles and relevant information in the draw at home with triplicate copies in a vault at the bank
and not in a public forum

ausjack · November 16, 2013, 05:22:37 PM

No legal battle mate as I'm told there's nothing I can do but I don't know how much trouble I'd get into for releasing it as governments don't like their dirty deeds let out and I recorded my conversations with one legal eagle after getting screwed by the first one..went to legal omb and told they don't lie but I had the proof on paper but they still don't lie and no one cared as the rich like Dr and legal are protected, eg QLD patel, total joke, white collar crime do no time..or very little

think I'm too hot and can open to many cans of worms, high up coucilors wouldn't like it at all :winkextra:

Unicorn · November 16, 2013, 06:13:54 PM

I can imagine that holding it all in would make you feel like you would burst AJ ...... but I agree with RG ..... best be keeping the legals out of the forum.

I dare say we all have no doubt in you, so best be sticking to 'the safe side'. (Or in Fulvio's instance 'the money-bin side' :laugh2: ).

BTW McDuck, a nice write up, short and concise.
Nice summation

Quotemake the best of it while the trip lasts

If I did one it would go on ..... and on ...... and on ..... and everyone would be zzzzzzzzz. :angel:

ausjack · November 16, 2013, 06:48:44 PM

I wouldn't Uni, I find it all very interesting and even a bit of an eye opener :winkextra:

Unicorn · November 16, 2013, 07:06:02 PM

:laugh2: .... thanks AJ ..... if I ever do, I'll make sure you get the first hard cover version (just after Nevol's proof read it for me ..... I'm meaning this as a compliment, just in case it's misinterpretted .... her cud recording is a work of excellence ..... the 5c timeline for example)!

Fulvio · November 17, 2013, 03:07:17 AM

Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='34595' dateline='1384590962'(just after Nevol's proof read it for me ..... )!

I could see a whole lot of books coming out of the forum for Nancy to proofread.

ausjack · November 17, 2013, 05:23:35 AM

it's amazing how quickly things can change and not for the better, just when you think you have a grip you slip..doesn't take much sorry

Unicorn · November 17, 2013, 10:37:36 AM

Hang in there big fella!