PCGS slab with sticker over the top?

[purplepennyhunter]

I think this makes it serious enough for PCGS to get involved. I have always though the play on the PCGS name warranted legal action. If APCGS played their own game then they should go for it, but they don't, they are riding on the PCGS back with no sound numismatic knowledge. They really should be ashamed.

[enworb]

Can ACCC do anything about this or am i being naive

[Steveqld]

Can ACCC do anything about this or am i being naive

When registering my name trading name I was of the opinion that any business or trading name had to be registered unless it was your actual name (at least in Qld).

I can't see Australian Professional Coin Grading Services registered on the ASIC website although Australian Coin Grading Services was registered up until 2002 when it was deregistered.

Name: AUSTRALIAN COIN GRADING SERVICE PTY LTD
ACN:  067 002 135
ABN:  11 067 002 135
Registration date:  31/10/1994
Next review date:  
 
Status:  Deregistered
Date deregistered:  9/06/2002
Type:  Australian Proprietary Company, Limited By Shares
Locality of registered office:  
Regulator:  Australian Securities & Investments Commission

No idea if they are one and the same but probably not.  You would just have to question whether it is worthwhile reporting an unregistered trader.

[trout]

I know that this mob are riding on the back of the PCGS success, Simply by using the name APCGS :ok:
when these first started to appear the grades were quite frankly ridicules, they even had a MS 35 grade :laugh2:

This coin however (and to my surprise) is correctly graded IMHO.
I am not sure if they have upped their game and employed someone that can actually grade correctly and knows the Sheldon system, Or they simply "got lucky" with this coin.

Anyway IF they are "Fair Dinkum" about what they are doing then they should choose a unique name for the company and not one that has ANY similarity with any of the other grading companies.
A simple name and not an acronym would be perfect.

The concept of a grading company based in Australia is good BUT it has to be done well and the grading has to be consistent and accurate ALL of the time :ok:

[Goldseeker]

I have sent the following email to the seller:

QUOTE:

Can you please explain as to why the coin shown shows a APCGS Sticker at the top of the slab whereas a closer look to the bottom left shows the initials PCGS. This tells me that this slabbed coin has been tampered with and as such is not what it appears to be. I shall not bid on this coin unless I receive a reply. Regards.

UNQUOTE

I shall post any responses.

[purplepennyhunter]

Oh look, it says new slabs.
APCGS

Am I correct in thinking these PCCB slabs have/are being used by chinese counterfeiters of PCGS slabs to dupe people??

edit to add: You can buy them on ebay from China.

[Unicorn]

Just had a look at their website
http://apcgs.com.au/
It looks like the lower right initials on the slab there is actually PCCB, which when you look at the reverse pic underneath looks like PCGS.

Perhaps just another cunning plan involving a turnip .......

[wwwww]

Can ACCC do anything about this or am i being naive

When registering my name trading name I was of the opinion that any business or trading name had to be registered unless it was your actual name (at least in Qld).

I can't see Australian Professional Coin Grading Services registered on the ASIC website although Australian Coin Grading Services was registered up until 2002 when it was deregistered.

Name: AUSTRALIAN COIN GRADING SERVICE PTY LTD
ACN:  067 002 135
ABN:  11 067 002 135
Registration date:  31/10/1994
Next review date:  
 
Status:  Deregistered
Date deregistered:  9/06/2002
Type:  Australian Proprietary Company, Limited By Shares
Locality of registered office:  
Regulator:  Australian Securities & Investments Commission

No idea if they are one and the same but probably not.  You would just have to question whether it is worthwhile reporting an unregistered trader.

So can someone just register the trading name APCGS, then shut them down?

[Unicorn]

You beat me to it PPH ....... excuse my doubling up there .....

BTW I love the Slabbed Lifesaver ....... and perhaps Enworbs comment (LOLOLOL) may have been LOLLY ...... (oh dear)
Searching APCGS domain details provides an ABN.

Then searching the ABN provides the info that it is a sole trader and that they are not currently registered for GST. (The proprietor's  name, a different one to the domain registered name, is shown on the ABN lookup site)
A search of the ASIC site (who now do all business names nationally) shows APCGS is a registered Business Name (to the same person as the ABN) and is registered to 01/11/2014

[enworb]

PCCB.... jeez they look very similar to PCGS slabs. Opening the door for dodgy operators. I don't like it one bit.....

[Unicorn]

:i_agree: Enworb, from the back you would swear it says PCGS, especially if you were used to looking at them. Interesting how your original posted item obverse (1925 Penny) had the bottom cut off the slab picture which would have shown it as PCCB!!!

[Steveqld]

So can someone just register the trading name APCGS, then shut them down?

I suppose you could if their name isn't registered but could be expensive.  Think my registration was about $250 for 3 years.

[Goldseeker]

I have sent the following email to the seller:

QUOTE:

Can you please explain as to why the coin shown shows a APCGS Sticker at the top of the slab whereas a closer look to the bottom left shows the initials PCGS. This tells me that this slabbed coin has been tampered with and as such is not what it appears to be. I shall not bid on this coin unless I receive a reply. Regards.

UNQUOTE

I shall post any responses.

I have a response and here it is:

Down the bottom it shows PCCB which is the produces Im guessing of this slab.
Cheers Shane
- investego



Still I am not enlightened.

[Robster]

Shane. :dodgy: :shok:

[purplepennyhunter]

Shane. :dodgy: :shok:

Yeah..