Collecting 50c coins

[trout]

There is something very special about these 1995 fifty cent pieces,
They were actually minted in 2003.

All this is sounding like an "urban legend" .

As this coin was quite unpopular I imagine that the mint had
quite a stockpile of unsold coins in the regular new issue packaging.

I put it to you that the mint simply repackaged these coins in the RAAMC issue
and there was NO actual minting of these coins in 2003 :ok:

[Ozcoins]

That thought occurred to me too, but I figured that
A the person saying they were minted later knew what they were talking about
B that the mint would not have that many lying around for so long.
I wonder if they were remade or old stock?

[interest]

There is something very special about these 1995 fifty cent pieces,
They were actually minted in 2003.

All this is sounding like an "urban legend" .

As this coin was quite unpopular I imagine that the mint had
quite a stockpile of unsold coins in the regular new issue packaging.

I put it to you that the mint simply repackaged these coins in the RAAMC issue
and there was NO actual minting of these coins in 2003 :ok:

.I can't see the RAM putting this in their annual report if it was not correct, please see below.

[trout]

look at the figures in the different columns.

5002 items minted for a total of 1004 pieces, this to me makes sense as they would have minted the tokens (5002) and added 5002 50 cent coins from stock (1004).
EVERY other coin that has been re-issued at a different date has ALWAYS had the year it was re-minted on the obverse :ok:

I will stand by my guns and call this an "Urban Legend ".
There is NO way the RAM would mint a coin and backdate it 8 years.

[Goldseeker]

Sorry folks, I beg to differ.   This was a "one off" request and the RAM did REMINT the coins for this folder.

I can't prove it but I did have all the emails re this subject on my computer ages ago but lost them all when my computer packed up.

According to the RAM, a special run was made using the original dies for this RAAMC Re-Issue.

[trout]

Sorry folks, I beg to differ.   This was a "one off" request and the RAM did REMINT the coins for this folder.

I can't prove it but I did have all the emails re this subject on my computer ages ago but lost them all when my computer packed up.

According to the RAM, a special run was made using the original dies for this RAAMC Re-Issue.

Then why are there only 5002 peices listed as being produced ?
Did the RAM mint the medallions that came with this issue or not ?
Has anyone actually asked the mint if they minted a coin dated 1995 in 2003 ?
If they did in fact do this then what is stopping them making 1930 1d and 19231/2 d. Coins ?

This subject raises some pretty pertenant questions and all the answers so far have
been hearsay.

If I am prooved wrong in this (would not be the first time) and the Mint did in fact Remington a coin 8 years later then IMHO they are guilty of gross misconduct and unethical behaviour.

[Goldseeker]

Sorry folks, I beg to differ.   This was a "one off" request and the RAM did REMINT the coins for this folder.

I can't prove it but I did have all the emails re this subject on my computer ages ago but lost them all when my computer packed up.

According to the RAM, a special run was made using the original dies for this RAAMC Re-Issue.

Then why are there only 5002 peices listed as being produced ?   Because only 5002 pieces were made.
Did the RAM mint the medallions that came with this issue or not ?    Not sure, only the RAM can answer that one and I have not asked them about that but in saying that, the table shows Coin and medallion 5002, total 10004.   Maybe the question has been answered.
Has anyone actually asked the mint if they minted a coin dated 1995 in 2003 ?   -   Yes I have just done that.
If they did in fact do this then what is stopping them making 1930 1d and 19231/2 d. Coins ?

This subject raises some pretty pertenant questions and all the answers so far have
been hearsay.

If I am prooved wrong in this (would not be the first time) and the Mint did in fact Remington a coin 8 years later then IMHO they are guilty of gross misconduct and unethical behaviour.

Rather than prolong this discussion as to whether the RAM did or did not remint a coin.   I have a few minutes ago sent an email to my contact at the RAM asking them the very question that we are tossing about here.   I trust that the RAM will provide an answer that will satisfy all concerned.  

Only time will tell.

If and when I get the reply, I shall post it here so as they say, "keep your hat on".

look at the figures in the different columns.

5002 items minted for a total of 1004 pieces, this to me makes sense as they would have minted the tokens (5002) and added 5002 50 cent coins from stock (1004).
EVERY other coin that has been re-issued at a different date has ALWAYS had the year it was re-minted on the obverse :ok:

I will stand by my guns and call this an "Urban Legend ".
There is NO way the RAM would mint a coin and backdate it 8 years.

I think your total of 1004 should read 10004, that is 5002 coins and 5002 tokens.

[trout]

I think your total of 1004 should read 10004, that is 5002 coins and 5002 tokens.

That wasn't MY total, it came from the sheet that interest posted from RAM :ok:
I will await the reply from your email to RAM with baited breath :angel:

[Steveqld]

I can't offer much other than it is possible.  It was questioned whether the mint could now go back and mint pre-decimal coins.  They could up until the Currency Act 1965.

 15  Treasurer may issue coins under repealed Acts for limited time

                   Notwithstanding the repeal effected by section 7, the Treasurer may, until a date to be fixed by Proclamation as the date on and after which this section shall cease to be in force, continue to cause to be made and issued coins in accordance with the repealed Acts.

The repealed Acts were those relating to pre-decimal coinage.  No I'm not going looking for a 50 year old proclamation but I assume one was issued.

The logical conclusion was that the mint could produce any predecimal coins up to the repeal of the old acts so I guess there was nothing to stop them minted coins from previous years.  Taking that another step I can't see anything in the Currency Act that says they can't mint coins from past years back to 1966.  It certainly isn't the norm but there are some mentions in the production schedules of coins being minted with dates from 1 or 2 years earlier.  Whether they were actually minted or just administrative catch-ups I don't know.

Alternatively Greg McDonalds handbook in 2001 identified 15,869,200 End of WWII 50 cent coins were minted.  His current books haven't varied that figure but I guess it wouldn't be hard to overlook a limited issue of a further 5002 coins.

Interesting question whichever way it goes.

[trout]

I can't offer much other than it is possible.  It was questioned whether the mint could now go back and mint pre-decimal coins.  They could up until the Currency Act 1965.

 15  Treasurer may issue coins under repealed Acts for limited time

                   Notwithstanding the repeal effected by section 7, the Treasurer may, until a date to be fixed by Proclamation as the date on and after which this section shall cease to be in force, continue to cause to be made and issued coins in accordance with the repealed Acts.

The repealed Acts were those relating to pre-decimal coinage.  No I'm not going looking for a 50 year old proclamation but I assume one was issued.

The logical conclusion was that the mint could produce any predecimal coins up to the repeal of the old acts so I guess there was nothing to stop them minted coins from previous years.  Taking that another step I can't see anything in the Currency Act that says they can't mint coins from past years back to 1966.  It certainly isn't the norm but there are some mentions in the production schedules of coins being minted with dates from 1 or 2 years earlier.  Whether they were actually minted or just administrative catch-ups I don't know.

Alternatively Greg McDonalds handbook in 2001 identified 15,869,200 End of WWII 50 cent coins were minted.  His current books haven't varied that figure but I guess it wouldn't be hard to overlook a limited issue of a further 5002 coins.

Interesting question whichever way it goes.

It is indeed a most interesting question.
If the RAM was allowed to do this once then they will do it again and it will have a direct bearing on every collector in Australia

[Fulvio]

That wasn't MY total, it came from the sheet that interest posted from RAM

Look again. Three zeroes, not two... 10,004

[interest]

First off let me say I am not wanting to prove anybody wrong or cause conflict. I just thought I would bring this coin back to life because I was lucky enough to win two on ebay for $40.00

Here is what I know about the RAAMC.
A limited number 5,000 coins & tokens were created for the sole use of the Army, to commemorate the Centenary of the RAAMC.
 They were never meant to be sold to the public.
The Army sent all unused sets back to the mint, which then sold them off through their shop at $9.95 (as per Goldie).
Even the Army did not know exactly how many sets were returned,
speculation is between 500 & 2,000

This is the first time that the RAM has officially confirmed it has restruck a coin.
As per their annual report in 2003.
I do not know if the Army gave them away or sold them.
I can not find any form of identification on the restrikes in order to differentiate them from the originals.

[Australian coin]

the ram re-did the $1 coin in a 1984 to 1992 $1 set UNC

[Unicorn]

All this talk of RAAMC, Weary Dunlop and the like is bringing back one of the highlights of my life. From 1988 through to 1994 I had the pleasure of working closely with Dr (Major) Alan Hazelton. Dr H would have to be number one on my personal mentor and inspiration list. I am so proud to have known him and love to recall the many stories he shared with me on our travels.

A couple of pieces:

http://www.pows-of-japan.net/articles/7.htm

http://www.goulburnpost.com.au/story/960576/well-done-proud-soldier-tributes-pour-in-for-influential-medico/

[Robster]

What an amazing man, another Aussie hero- thanks for sharing.!!!