Australian 1930 Penny Myth or real

[serenitystan]

Nothing wrong with having a (Theory. Opinion.) When your Theory- Opinion becomes a personal attack against each other it turns into CHILDISH behavior. Opinions and Theories turn into feelings NOT intellect.

[fred lever]

Hi,  Thanks Robbie, Neal, Stan, and all coinies, and , yes senior Trout, you are right its just a penny and just a low mintage one at that.
There are far rarer aussie coins than a 1930 penny that fortunately don't attract the myths or legends and we can just get on with collecting those without, as Trout puts it, 'the BS and urban legends'.  
Cheers, Fred.

[wwwww]

No Alan, I cannot let you get away with that.
You are now part of the problem by repeating unproven and mythical ideas.
You don't realise how silly and ill informed your statements are from the view of those who have taken the trouble to do the reseach.
The mintage amount of penny coins in 1930 had NOTHING to do with the number of front door visitors!
The information you quote is the common assumption used by collectors (that they were handed out to visitors)  in the 1970's and refuted thoroughly by researchers in numismatics since but repeated parrot like year after year in cut and paste catelogs. Look closely at what Greg says: the 1200 is based on the number of visitors, that's the METHOD used, not the number!! No accurate figures have yet surfaced, NO, and they never will and the reason for this is explained by many researchers! Greg should leave the mintage blank or "unknown" rather than persist with the the myth. Yes there are probably more forgeries than real ones but that is another story.
Now who is this "they" you are quoting, that don't know how many pieces were made?
If you are referring to the mint, the commonwealth statistics give an overall view of the number of coin minted in those years
and the actual dates used are covered by READING the information exisiting.
In particular the book by WJ Mullett "an account or particular coins" gives a great insight into the mint practices and dies used in those times. Read his comment on the "1930 front door handout" theory, he was too polite to swear in print, but a snowball's chance in hell would have done.
If you would please stop looking at a footnote in a catelog as the total source of information and READ some ACTUAL RESEARCH facts on the subject you will be answered.
Yes, I keep trying to "put it to bed" and so have many before me, BUT , with the FACTS, not leaving it up in the air with a whole lot of questions as you have, which WHEN you read the research you will find are nonsense questions.
There is no need for any argument or discussion the facts are there.
I REPEAT, READ MY ARTICLE IN CAB JUNE 2017 first, then read the references of Mullett, Sharples, Bloom and Lever, indicated as required reading AND THEN BE INFORMED.
Cheers, Fred.

(how silly and ill informed), you must be one of those cyber bullies hey making such comments, if I was to believe that such a unprovable quantity was made then I would also have to believe that such was the case for the 1930 threepence &sixpence &shilling & florin
or any other missing year, without provable data or zero information there is nothing to research except innuendo, supposition and guesswork, NOT ONLY WILL I NOT READ YOUR ARTICLE I WILL RECOMMEND ANYONE OF REASONABLE DEBATEABLE AGE TO DO THE SAME. put the debate to bed without proof it will always go to the negative Yours respectfully Alan

The evidence is the fact that they exist and they are authentic beyond any reasonable doubt because the details line up perfectly with the proof strikes.

[Basil]

I'm sure if the theory you support is correct then at least a few people came forward back say in the 1960s during the boom and their story was published (that was only 35 years after the event so several hundred of those visitors would still have been alive). I must suck at finding those examples because I've spent a few thousand hours in library archives looking for articles like that and have found absolutely zip. Have found a few hundred articles though about people finding well circulated examples in change.

I've also wasted many hours searching Newspaper records without any success so far. However,as i have posted previously,there was an interview on the origins of the 1930 penny with a retired Mint employee in the early 1960's(1964/5?),its burned into my mind,and i also remember we discussed it at High School with the Coin/Stamp Dealer we had for a Period each Week.
Like many 'facts' in this Thread its only hearsay until someone can find a copy but i'm sure it will turn up eventually.
IIRC it was published in the Sydney Sun or Mirror,both of whom who were pushing the Decimal Currency bandwagon with stories nearly every day.
However it may have been one of the Magazines that were popular at the time,Pix.,Post etc. if anyone is doing some research.
My 2c as a hobby collector.

[fred lever]

Hi Basil, a thought just occurred to me, that 'interview with a mint employee' may have actually been Bill Mullett and perhaps when he released his book about the Mint and coins. ( Australian Coinage. An Account of Particular Coins, W.J. Mullett. Formerly a Senior Officer of the Melbourne Branch of the Royal Mint.) That's the full title page by the way.
I can see the press grabbing that and pressing the lurid button "mint employee tells all!" which is how the Pix, Truth, Telegraph et al went on in those days. The book by the way for those who have not had the pleasure, is strictly factual and covers the mint activities, dies, die making, coin machinery and the methods used and absolutely factual all through as befitting the senior status of the Gentleman and his observations.
Mr Mullett retired in the 1970's and then did the outstanding research that was then edited into the book so we may be looking at the late 70's for the newspaper article, not in the 1960's. I cant be more specific about the date as the copy I have has no date stamp.
If anybody was looking at doing more searching, the keys of "Mullett" and "1970's" may strike dirt in a word recognition system otherwise if you are staring at a blurry michofiche  machine, or worse still turning faded pages, , good hunting!
Cheers, Fred

[Mister T]

I thought Bill Mullett's book was published in 1991 (the book doesn't seem to say but I think the State Library entries for it do).

[Basil]

Hi Basil, a thought just occurred to me, that 'interview with a mint employee' may have actually been Bill Mullett and perhaps when he released his book about the Mint and coins. ( Australian Coinage. An Account of Particular Coins, W.J. Mullett. Formerly a Senior Officer of the Melbourne Branch of the Royal Mint.) That's the full title page by the way.
Cheers, Fred

Hi again Fred,it was definitely early 1960's, pre 1966 Decimal changeover,as i was at School at the time and the article also said 'retired' in the text so i doubt it could have been Mullett.
I just put it out there so someone reading this Thread may come across it in their research,i'll keep looking.

[drakesterling]

Your comments are not respectful. Fred is a numismatic expert. I get so embarrassed how members here insult our very expert members. Sure we are all equal but some folk do deserve recognition and respect for their commitment to Australian numismatics.

On behalf of many forum members Fred I apogise for these dreadful insults. Please stay as your membership is such a resource.
X Robbie

It's very fashionable right now to just disagree. I guess it is more interesting or confident to have a strong differing opinion than to just agree with somebody else!

[Nevol]

More info from Fred here:
https://www.australian-coins.net/showthread.php?tid=5109