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[runway]

keep grinding away Oldcoinchest and others,it's a massive task I applaud your efforts

[autocoupler]

It will happen but its going to take time which I don't have at the time at the moment. .

keep grinding away Oldcoinchest and others,it's a massive task I applaud your efforts

I second what runway says, not that I would know anything at all about building a web page, the time involved or the cost. I guess if the desired outcome was to parrot the current available coin guides the task would be massive.

Again, not truly appreciating what amount of effort would be required, why not set out to build an informative page that concentrates on what the current coin guides ignore, however, to give them some credit there are a half dozen examples that they do include. The number of necessary entries required to complete the job wouldn't make the task onerous and would actually fill a gaping hole for an ever increasing number of collectors. The main concern for anyone attempting to do this may be in educating themselves if they didn't already have an interest in this particular field.

I've had the odd input on this subject on other threads, the special and unique series of coins I refer to are the historically important predecimal varieties that are mostly found in the Penny series, but there are a few in other denominations as well.

In the main these are the coins that have been minted using differently matched reverse and obverse dies to the general run of the mill coinage, and just as subtle, there are also some that display unique die design differences such as longer rim denticles or differing date numerals and date widths. All of these coins without exception were minted in much smaller numbers and some can be considered excessively scarce to rare and are keenly sort after at all points of sale where they attract high prices. The recent IAG auction of the Benchmark collection being a point in case.  

As I said, the vast majority of these varieties occur in the penny series, of which they may roughly number 26 or so. There are also a couple of well known, old time favorite die defect varieties that could be included as well. Who knows what something like this may develop into, and it's something I would have attempted long ago if I had the skills required.

For some obscure reason the local guides obviously don't think this part of the hobby is important, to the point where they in my opinion are doing harm by their inaction. Who knows, any maverick who made a success at something like this could end up being a source of reference for the TPG's etc.  

My suggested Penny entries would be;
1919 Penny double dot. Already included in the guides.
1920 Penny double dot. Already included in the guides.
1920 Penny no dots, Indian obverse. Already included in the guides.
1920 Penny dot above top scroll, Indian obverse. Already included in the guides.
1920 Penny dot above bottom scroll, London obverse. Excessively scarce/rare, not included.
1920 Penny dot below bottom scroll, London obverse. Very scarce and not included.
1921 Penny with London obverse. Extremely scarce and not included.
1922 Penny, multiple core date groups (5), some extremely scarce, not included.
1924 Penny with Indian obverse. Very scarce and not included.
1927 Penny with Indian obverse. Extremely scarce and not included.
1931 Penny, second 1 in date low, Indian obverse. Excessively scarce / rare, not included.
1931 Penny, normal date alignment, Indian obverse. Extremely scarce and not included.
1933/32 Penny overdate. Included in guides.
1939 Penny, dash in legend after AUSTRALIA (probably die defect. Not included.
1941 Penny, K.G with high dot after penny (probably small cud). Very scarce and not included.
1942I Penny, Indian die with "I" mint mark missing. Included in guides.
1943I Penny, India die with long reverse dentils. Very scarce and not included.
1945Y. Penny with big dot after KG (probably die fault). Scarce and not included
1951PL Penny with missing PL mint mark (probably die fill). Rare and not included.
1952 Perth penny. 2 in date displays square serif. Scarce and not included.
1952 Perth penny. 2 in date displays wedge serif. Scarce and not included.
1952 Perth penny. 2 in date tilts right. Scarce and not included.
1953 Penny, Melbourne mint. Long 5 different 3 date numerals. Very scare and not included.
1955Y. Perth penny, hybrid obverse 9. Very scarce to extremely scarce and not listed.
1956Y. Perth penny, hybrid obverse 8. Scarce and not listed.
1957Y. Perth penny, with wide date. Scarce and not listed.

[ausjack]

Gee auto that's a bloody good start to your new book mate :good:

[autocoupler]

Thanks AJ, but not me for me Mate, I don't have the ability to put web pages or a book together. But somebody else could add something like this to their publication, :winkextra: would only take another 20 entries, and what imposition would that be when compared to all the glitter that gets added each year. After all, they're not making any more of these.....that's not counting the Chinese of course:grin:

[Oldcoinchest]

Thanks AJ, but not me for me Mate, I don't have the ability to put web pages or a book together. But somebody else could add something like this to their publication, :winkextra: would only take another 20 entries, and what imposition would that be when compared to all the glitter that gets added each year. After all, they're not making any more of these.....that's not counting the Chinese of course:grin:

Your absolutely right. My site is already paid for and set up for this. I have listed the majority of coins. Its just entering in the valuable data now.
E.g if you clicked on 1920 penny I would aim to have the information you have listed (5 varieties) any other info also. I would need help with value of each different variety. But definitely something to think about.

[runway]

Looking fwd to it

[autocoupler]

I would need help with value of each different variety. But definitely something to think about.

I can help out with some of the values as I've kept a close eye on auction results the past few years, even a couple of ebay results. Not saying they are comprehensive or cover every grade but the values do give an appreciation of the desirability of these rarer coins when compared with the general mintage of similar grade. I'll dig the info out and post it later.

[ausjack]

looking forward to that auto and a few pic's would be nice as well thanks mate :winkextra:

[Oldcoinchest]

I can help out with some of the values as I've kept a close eye on auction results the past few years, even a couple of ebay results. Not saying they are comprehensive or cover every grade but the values do give an appreciation of the desirability of these rarer coins when compared with the general mintage of similar grade. I'll dig the info out and post it later.
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Yeah that's great. Didn't even know some of those varieties existed. Going to have to put some extra yards in there. It just doesn't stop. Always something to do or improve on. But look forward to it aswell.

[autocoupler]

My pics wouldn't be up to scratch AJ. Best way is to post this link to the Benchmark collection, select pennies.Then just a matter of referring to each variety posted earlier and navigating the Benchmark site to find it. The good thing with that site is it gives relevant information for each coin.

OCC, Having problems loading a spread sheet with values so will persevere. It's a bit of a dogs breakfast :dash1:



http://www.ngccoin.com/gallery/benchmark.aspx

[Goldseeker]

IF OCC does complete his project, would he need permission to use the scans/photos shown in the Benchmark Collection for his own on line catalogue?

Then the big problem would be to keep the on line catalogue up to date and then to accept comments from viewers saying this is wrong etc.

I can just imaging the problem Greg MacDonald has when he reads all the comments on his publication.   It must be very time consuming to read each comment and adjust/check/amend as required/requested.

For OCC:   Your folders have arrived and the wife has placed her own coins into them.   Looks real good.   Well done.

[autocoupler]

OK, thanks to my Wife the scarce penny die variety values are as attached. Not comprehensive by any means but does give an appreciation of the desirability of these coins compared to the general mintage in similar grade, and it wouldn't be difficult to peruse ebay for example to find values for lower grades. These values are taken from an average of the past few years and inclusive of commissions etc.  One odd entry of note is the 1919 D.D. in EF. This was a recent ebay sale, and a bargain if the grade was correct.

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[Oldcoinchest]

Well Done Autocoupler, That's some really great work.
I have started my quest and estimate this will take 12 - 18 months to complete (6 Months is to ambitious).
Here is the link http://oldcoinchest.com/product-values
At the moment I have only entered in about 15 values so a lot of searches will end up with no result. (Until I enter the data)
Use the following keywords to get results .. 2007, 2008, 2009, 5 cent and 10 cent.  50 cent may work for the 2007 coin.
I haven't got to the 5 and 10 cent circulated coin values yet.
Its not much but its a start and I think when finished it will be quite a good resource.

[autocoupler]

Thanks OCC, I'll just keep chipping away at it. Good luck with your project, another important resource.

[runway]

Doing a great job Oldcoinchest