FAKE 34/35 Centenary Florin.

[accumulator]

At least it is very easy to pick as a FAKE,he's sold at least 12 of these & as many or more FAKE 1938 CROWNS.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1934-35-Australian-Centenary-Florin-George-V-UNC-/171384484138?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item27e74fb12a&_uhb=1

[echidna]

At least it is very easy to pick as a FAKE,he's sold at least 12 of these & as many or more FAKE 1938 CROWNS.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1934-35-Australian-Centenary-Florin-George-V-UNC-/171384484138?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item27e74fb12a&_uhb=1

There are a number of sellers who sell these fakes hoping to fool unwary buyers.
Its fraud.  Ebay are aware and don't take any action to stop it.
''We call it Riding the Gravy Train''

[autocoupler]

The seller does indicate the coin is not solid silver and that the base is brass. Unfortunately this statement is at the very end of the item description, and is the least pronounced. As they say, read the fine print.

[nealeffendi]

Some of the fakes are obvious. The 2 main things to look for are the riders hand being almost not there and the edge of Geo Vs cloak not reaching the rim.
That accounts for well over half the fakes. It is the minority of better fakes that worry me.
Some coins that I don't bid on might be genuine, so the seller has lost out because of wary bidders. So honest sellers are as much a victim of fleabay not cracking down as are the unwary buyers.
How many here will only buy Centenary florins from a limited pool of sellers?(or refuse to buy them off fleabay at all). Sellers who are reputable coin shops or known long term collectors or with feedbacks in the thousands get some bids. With them you can check out their other past offerings  to see their grading standards etc.
That leaves the other sellers lumped in with the sleezy sellers. I bid on a newbie seller a few weeks ago (feedback total of 11) who had about 8 lots of used electronic stuff and the florin (no other coins). Bet that scared off most potential bidders. The photos were decent, but out of focus over the end of Georges robe (a tactic of sleezy sellers). Luckily I spotted a die marker of genuine florins and bid.
Got the florin fairly cheaply ($416), should grade at least PCGS MS64 and that seller is out how many hundreds of dollars because the sleezy sellers have scared off too many buyers.

[Basil]

Yeah,i don't buy 34/35 or 1923 Halves,the latest batch of 34/35 Florins are very good according to a USA Coin Dealer that sends me Oz Coins that he doesn't deal in,they've got the weight near correct and fixed the hand on the horse,extreme buyer beware.

Dicey 1923......  http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1923-half-penny-/291188699692?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item43cc32f22c&_uhb=1

[nealeffendi]

Yeah,i don't buy 34/35 or 1923 Halves,the latest batch of 34/35 Florins are very good according to a USA Coin Dealer that sends me Oz Coins that he doesn't deal in,they've got the weight near correct and fixed the hand on the horse,extreme buyer beware.

Dicey 1923......  http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1923-half-penny-/291188699692?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item43cc32f22c&_uhb=1

- feedback of 1
- poorly focused images
- coin is covered in grime
Must be a genuine 1923 half/sarc

Could you post an example of the latest improved fakes that your yank contact is referring to?

[Fr45h3R]

Yeah,i don't buy 34/35 or 1923 Halves,the latest batch of 34/35 Florins are very good according to a USA Coin Dealer that sends me Oz Coins that he doesn't deal in,they've got the weight near correct and fixed the hand on the horse,extreme buyer beware.

Dicey 1923......  http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1923-half-penny-/291188699692?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item43cc32f22c&_uhb=1

Curved base lettering is instant give away on the '23.
Reported!

-rob

[Basil]

Could you post an example of the latest improved fakes that your yank contact is referring to?

They're apparently doing the rounds in the States Neal,i'll try & find out more Info. The Fraud laws over there are(i'm told) more severe than here so a lot harder to move in volume but i'm sure they will start on Ebay here soon.,if they haven't already.
There are batches of 1922/1 overdates kicking around as well,I haven't seen them for sale myself but this may be one.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1922-1-Overdate-Threepence-Extremely-Rare-Regretable-Sale-/271547341375?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item3f397b9a3f&_uhb=1

[accumulator]

That threepence is an absolute shocker IMO,terrible pics & terrible FAKE coin.

[nealeffendi]

Could you post an example of the latest improved fakes that your yank contact is referring to?

They're apparently doing the rounds in the States Neal,i'll try & find out more Info. The Fraud laws over there are(i'm told) more severe than here so a lot harder to move in volume but i'm sure they will start on Ebay here soon.,if they haven't already.
There are batches of 1922/1 overdates kicking around as well,I haven't seen them for sale myself but this may be one.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1922-1-Overdate-Threepence-Extremely-Rare-Regretable-Sale-/271547341375?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item3f397b9a3f&_uhb=1

The fraud laws must be even worse than I thought in Australia. I know there is the "numismatic curio" angle for dodgy fake 1930 pennies but what about fake modern coins?
The seller is passing off fake rubbish as real modern NCLT coins (just scroll down his offerings). How about 2011 dated coins with the image of the Queen and the words Australia and 100 dollars? To any novice they look as real as any other Australian NCLT so they have a minimum worth of $100 if you buy them (not). Problem is if I buy them and claim fraud the seller has excuse that I obviously knew they were curios so no fraud.
Might get my daughter to buy one and then go to swap it at the Reserve Bank in Sydney (right near her office). As  she would purchase them as real money then the bank would have to involve the police. I have purchased NCLT  and foreign currency at below face before (my daughter knows this) so the seller cannot claim that nobody sells money below face value. Gaol time for them.

[Basil]

Cripey......Ebay will have to do something.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/271547341375?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

[Rastis]

Cripey......Ebay will have to do something.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/271547341375?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

G'Day,
           I got one exactly the same from www.aliexpress.com  for only a couple of dollars.

Rastis.

[nealeffendi]

Cripey......Ebay will have to do something.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/271547341375?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

G'Day,
           I got one exactly the same from www.aliexpress.com  for only a couple of dollars.

Rastis.

Unless a fake is a contemporary fake (Maunders etc) or I need a recent fake for research purposes I boycott buying fakes. The money you give them will only encourage and finance them improving the fakes to the point that it will be impossible for the average buyer to spot a fake and that will kill the hobby.
I prefer an empty spot in my collection.

[Rastis]

Cripey......Ebay will have to do something.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/271547341375?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

G'Day,
           I got one exactly the same from www.aliexpress.com  for only a couple of dollars.

Rastis.

Unless a fake is a contemporary fake (Maunders etc) or I need a recent fake for research purposes I boycott buying fakes. The money you give them will only encourage and finance them improving the fakes to the point that it will be impossible for the average buyer to spot a fake and that will kill the hobby.
I prefer an empty spot in my collection.

G'day,
          I bought a 1930 penny, the Half penny mule and the Threepence, only because I don't ever believe I will have the opportunity to own a genuine coin. I made key rings out of a 1930 Penny and a 1923 Half Penny as well.

Rastis.