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[gweidion]

I disagree with having solid state drives Fred. Yes they are quick but they die like any hard drive except you get no warnings.
With a motor mechanical drive you get warning signs, constant clicking, occasional BSOD, occasional failure to start. Generally you get enough warning to fix your back ups. Especially if you use Hard Disk Sentinel or the like.

If you have 100% back up of your data then a solid state drive is okay but I'd only ever use them for the operating system.
I've already seen two die, no warning. Working one minute, unbootable the next.

[Goldseeker]

What did ^^^^^^^^^say?

[fred lever]

Gweidion, I smiled at your post #16.
Spinning disc hard drives are about to disappear completely as "old guy" technology!
If you dont want to have a SS hard drive you are not going to have anything in your next PC!
It is admirable to stick up for last millenium technology, I still drive my 1964 Morris around, but I would prefer to drive my 2020 Yaris!!
Anyway, hard drives rarely fail, my  experiences with old style drives failing in 30 years of owing PC's and networks was they go CLUNK and simply would not boot.
You are correct however, BACK UP of data (every day) in multiple formats is a must.
When  I lose a mother board or hard drive or a PSU blows a system I just  download the data backup as required, re-load the applications as required and plough on.
Fred.

[gweidion]

Gweidion, I smiled at your post #16.
Spinning disc hard drives are about to disappear completely as "old guy" technology!
If you dont want to have a SS hard drive you are not going to have anything in your next PC!
It is admirable to stick up for last millenium technology, I still drive my 1964 Morris around, but I would prefer to drive my 2020 Yaris!!
Anyway, hard drives rarely fail, my  experiences with old style drives failing in 30 years of owing PC's and networks was they go CLUNK and simply would not boot.
You are correct however, BACK UP of data (every day) in multiple formats is a must.
When  I lose a mother board or hard drive or a PSU blows a system I just  download the data backup as required, re-load the applications as required and plough on.
Fred.

Hard drives rarely fail. LOL. Sorry Fred, I have had heaps fail. When I stopped counting the mechanical ones I was up to 11. Western Digitals were the worst. I have a Toshiba portable that has been telling me that it is dying for over two years. That is not counted in the 11 failed drives. I have had two solid state drives fail, no warning, just dead.
When you have a mechanical drive fail where it seizes you can sometimes get them to work again using the hard drive prayer. It doesn't work on solid state drives. I have a NAS with 12 mechanical drives in it. I can't see them disappearing any time soon. No IT geek worth their salt would advocate solid state drives for data storage. Cloud storage is safer provided you don't mind someone else being able to access your data.

The important lesson is make sure you double back up anything you can't afford to lose.

[ken-a]

Do you know the Amazon offers SSD option for their AWS Storage Services?

https://docs.aws.amazon.com/whitepapers/latest/cost-optimization-storage-optimization/aws-storage-services.html

The last systems that I was provided by two different employers - two laptops and one desktop only had SSD's as the supplied option from the vendor.  We also noticed that when we switched to SSD's for our laptop users, that we had 0 disk failures in 6 years while previously we we were having about 2 failures per quarter.

To run a bunch of Hyper-V test machines, I recently purchased a 1TB Crucial MX500 SSD to run them. Trying to do the same with a HDD was not possible since the disk load was two intense.

I still use spinning disks for both external and internal backup drives since budget does not allow me to replace these with similar size SSD's.

Maybe my experience has not been typical but I have never had a failure with either Crucial or Samsung SSD drives and the speed that the offer is very nice.

[gweidion]

One of my SSDs that died was a Crucial but one of their early models.
Hard discs fail, idiscs fail, SSDs fail. Back up frequently.

Amazon uses SSDs because it saves money in electricity and they have many back ups in place. If they lose someone's critical data it is no skin off their nose.

[Goldseeker]

^^^^^ Whats he saying ^^^^^

[fred lever]

Hi Gweidion, I'm stunned............
I checked back on the types of mechanical HDD I, or customers,  used for Jaycar and note they were nearly all Western Digital ranging from 200mb to 1tb, depending on the year of manufacture.
The usage was mainly surveylance recorders for customers and office network desktop machines.
For customer warranty claims HDD failure was not a factor and I had units in up to 10 year plus operation.
Usually by that time the whole systems were usually "old tech" and the whole installations upgraded for better specification systems.
Coming to think of it, a lot of surveylance stuff got upgraded at around the 5 year mark so maybe the Hour usage did not push the discs into wear out area.
In surveylance the HDD's are on 24/7, most of the office floor stuff got cycled down once a day, the office systems run 24/7.
Jaycar and myself must have been really lucky!
I have no contact with the industry now except for keeping up with the local "computor shop" that makes up gamer systems, home and office pcs and surveylance systems.
They are introducing SS hdds into their equipment right now as spinnings discs are going out of manufacture along with any other old technology.
Both my home PC's have SS hds as a matter of course, but the 2 local back up drives for my own personal work are, wait for it...........good old spinning disc 1Tb WD!!
They are fine for my daily back ups, plus I used USB drives for hour to hour back up when doing research or writing.
I simply have to be anal about backing up, because if i lose anything I never can quite write the same stuff again, so long as I have a last session back up I can usually work from there to restore any brilliant writing!
cheers, Fred.