Obverse London or Calcutta

[petpat]

[attachment=3600]Came across a 1920 penny with a dot above the bottom scroll, and through wear or softer strike there is no dots on the obverse. So I can't do the normal thing and test the alignment points. I also believe the only other way is the style of the R in Britt.
Can anyone advise if this is either a London or Calcutta Die.
The difference would make it either Ext Rare or Very Scarce.

Your opinion would be greatly appreciated.

[echidna]

Indian or Calcutta die

[nealeffendi]

It is an Indian die and the flat obverse rim is typical of the Dot Above. There is one No Dot die pair that shared the same obverse die as a Dot Above and that obverse die has VDG on a mound. The English (London) has well formed denticles on the obverse for all 3 known dies of which 2 are the Scarce Dot Below and the 3rd is the Very Rare Dot Above. There is no No Dot English.

[r9453]

I swear if I live to be 111 years old I will never understand women or 1920 pennies. However, if I keep reading ACF I might have a shot at the pennies. Thanks, N.E. once again for your explanation, I will add it to my ever-expanding 1920 1D file.

[Basil]

I swear if I live to be 111 years old I will never understand women or 1920 pennies. However, if I keep reading ACF I might have a shot at the pennies. Thanks, N.E. once again for your explanation, I will add it to my ever-expanding 1920 1D file.

I agree,i liked it when you just collected 1920's with a dot over the Top Scroll or one's that were  Unc.It's a wonder Neal's not in a padded cell with the depth of scrutiny he goes too with them.

[nealeffendi]

I swear if I live to be 111 years old I will never understand women or 1920 pennies. However, if I keep reading ACF I might have a shot at the pennies. Thanks, N.E. once again for your explanation, I will add it to my ever-expanding 1920 1D file.

I agree,i liked it when you just collected 1920's with a dot over the Top Scroll or one's that were  Unc.It's a wonder Neal's not in a padded cell with the depth of scrutiny he goes too with them.

If the cell is filled with 1920s then bring it on:crazy_pilot: I don't just try to identify each die pair but try to identify each stage in a dies life (from fresh to pitted/die cracked/clashed/CUDDED/shattered state, some dies have over 40 stages and to ID that many stages you need over 500 coins from just that die pair).
Currently have 600 odd 1920 CBLs on my desk to sort out.

[r9453]

I think these are all Dot Over Bottom Scroll, I put them aside because I wasn't confident identifying the obverse type.  

RR1:


RR2:


RR3:

[echidna]

Crushed denticles and low rims = Indian dies.

Dont forget to look for the twin dot variety on these too.

[nealeffendi]

You can also spot the Indian by the smaller gap between the cross patee and the O of OMN, the gap is wider in the English.

[autocoupler]

Also, if it's a London obverse, the up stroke of both T's in BRITT will align with denticles. That's if the denticles are visible :scratch_one-s_head: