Half Sovereign - Buried or not buried?

Started by kchan1111, December 13, 2015, 11:29:47 PM

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kchan1111

PCGS has listed this as "Cross Buried"

http://www.pcgs.com/Pop/ValueView.aspx?s=143390

This is the 5/3 variety.

BUT the cross on top of the shield is separated from the border. A buried top cross in the 5/4 variety looks like this right?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1880-S-Gold-Half-Sovereign-5-4-Variety-B-Re-Cut-Date-Die-Cracks-RARE-aUnc-/321824110516

Did PCGS get the description wrong? Have I confused it with something else?

:scratch_one-s_head:

echidna

Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='82705' dateline='1450011587'PCGS has listed this as "Cross Buried"

http://www.pcgs.com/Pop/ValueView.aspx?s=143390

This is the 5/3 variety.

BUT the cross on top of the shield is separated from the border. A buried top cross in the 5/4 variety looks like this right?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1880-S-Gold-Half-Sovereign-5-4-Variety-B-Re-Cut-Date-Die-Cracks-RARE-aUnc-/321824110516

Did PCGS get the description wrong? Have I confused it with something else?

:scratch_one-s_head:

These attributions have been messed up by PCGS.
Similar to whats happening with penny varieties.

They were not attributing the 5/3 (crenulated) variety until very recently.
So everything previously graded has now been simply lumped into the most common type which is the 5/4.
Coincedently the two coin pictured are actually the 5/3 type.
Its a real mess...

kchan1111

Quote from: 'echidna' pid='82706' dateline='1450012358'They were not attributing the 5/3 (crenulated) variety until very recently.
So everything previously graded has now been simply lumped into the most common type which is the 5/4.
Coincedently the two coin pictured are actually the 5/3 type.
Its a real mess...

I see. That's lame.

kchan1111

Looks like they have really made a mess of this one.

PCGS No 143390 is 1880-S 1/2 Sov S-3862E Cross Buried (5/4)
PCGS No 527627 is 1880-S 1/2 Sov S-3862D Cross not Buried (5/3)

So there are coins of the very rare 5/3 variety out there with 143390 on the label that is in fact 527627.

WTF..............

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kchan1111

Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='82765' dateline='1450144497'5/3 variety?

die 5 on the obverse and 3 for reverse?

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