1920 "Dot over Top." On Ebay.

[Basil]

I noticed this on Ebay,only interested for future reference,it seems to have a 1919 type dot over the top scroll but slightly off centre,i don't think i've seen this before.Thoughts ?.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SCARCE-1920-ONE-DOT-OVER-TOP-SCROLL-4-PEARLS-PLUS-2-FUSED-VF-XF-75-B-/121376057078?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item1c4293a6f6&_uhb=1

[nealeffendi]

There is no mark above the W so it isn't the Double Dot. The penny is off the 1st reverse hub and the 2nd Indian obverse hub and that scarce hub combination is known for  3 Dot Below die pairs. It also has a spur (dieclash between NN) and I reckon that this die pair has a faint cud below the Y. and a weak line through the denticles above ONWEAL (need to loupe the penny to be certain).

[Basil]

Looking at it on my computer,as best i can,i can't ever remember seeing a dot(if thats what it is) like that above the top scroll.Strange one,but i'm obviously  no expert.

[nealeffendi]

The "dot" is probably just some random wear and tear PMD that resembles a dot. It would be significant if a matching second coin was ever found, but as it is I'm fairly confident that I know the die pair.

[robbiegal]

I thought that the 1920 dot above top scroll was more likely to have a very weakly struck right hand side of the scroll
this one is very nicely struck right side

[nealeffendi]

I thought that the 1920 dot above top scroll was more likely to have a very weakly struck right hand side of the scroll
this one is very nicely struck right side

That is something I didn't know, I'll file that away for future reference.

[robbiegal]

you would know much more than me about the 1920 penny Neal

http://www.thesandpit.net/index.php?option=1920dat_penny

[Basil]

My problem is the dot seems too big and is not round but hard to see exactly what it is from the Pics.,resolution is not good enough too blow up.FWIW i have seen a similar dot over the top scroll on a 1919 Penny but at a loss with this coin.

[robbiegal]

there is a 1919 double dot that is a die chip dot
I have one
Emu can spot them at a 100 paces

[Fordprefect]

My problem is the dot seems too big and is not round but hard to see exactly what it is from the Pics.,resolution is not good enough too blow up.FWIW i have seen a similar dot over the top scroll on a 1919 Penny but at a loss with this coin.

It's a pit in the die in an unfortunate position.
Known usually as the false dot over top scroll.

As Robbie has stated (via Emu & Dave) the scroll
is the dead givaway.

[echidna]

Rough rule of thumb for low res images on ebay etc.
The 1920 dot above top scroll should have a dense rim on the reverse.
The above image is not the best but should give an idea of what to look for.
Once you have seen a few examples its not hard to spot.

[nealeffendi]

There are a few rules of thumb I use.
It must have FBL lettering
It must not have a die clash (most double dots are clashed and most false DOTS are double dots)
It must not have reverse die cracks (the DOTS penny is in a minority in not having readily visible die markers, sometimes you might spot the last A mark)
The inner ring should have no deterioration
The obverse must have good rims
- and thanks to this forum I now know to look for the weakness in the top scroll.

[Robster]

Finally found one, not the best example but it was free.!!

[echidna]

That one is actually a bit better than average