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Quote from: 'markn' pid='52912' dateline='1403090498'
Quote from: 'proof27' pid='52906' dateline='1403089520'Paid $60, ebay, thought it was good looking coin, I have so much to learn.

As I said I am no expert.  But the very granular look to the reverse is usually an indication of a cast replica.  And a coin that is probably worth several hundred dollars selling for $60 on eBay is also usually an indicator of a fake.  If you want a definite answer I suggest you wait for SAP or head over the Forum Ancient Coins and post it up there.  They'll let you know for sure.

The pics above that RG posted, they look granular as well yes no ?

robbiegal

I fogged them from ebay
coin sold for over a grand

proof27

Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='52916' dateline='1403090681'I fogged them from ebay
coin sold for over a grand

So definitely over $1000,,not $60 :-/


Sapyx

Quote...If you want a definite answer I suggest you wait for SAP...

Sorry for not noticing this discussion in this thread, and thank you for the PM directing me here. Next time, if you want me to notice your coin quickly, post your coin in a brand new thread and put "Help with ancient coin" or something like that in the title. ;)

Now, as for this coin. The origin at once makes me skeptical - there are some genuine ancient coins to be found for sale on eBay. There are also plenty of fakes. I'd seriously recommend staying far, far away from any seller of ancients on eBay that you do not already know for certain has a spotless reputation. That being said, your first port of call should be the FORVM list of Notorious Fake Sellers. If the seller of your coin is listed there, then your coin is fake. 100% guaranteed. If the seller is not listed, then there is still hope.

Another excellent resource on the FORVM website is their large database of fakes. Once again, if you find a coin in the database that looks exactly like yours (and I do mean "exactly"), then it's also a guarantee of fakeness. It got hacked a few years ago by some malicious fake-seller, so you know it's effective.

Unfortunately, doing a search over there of the fakes database for "Alexander pegasus" returns a dozen different examples of this exact same type, and one of those examples is a perfect match for your coin: it's a "Slavey copy", or perhaps (since it does look cast) a copy of a Slavey copy. Slavey was an American-based fake-master who made hand-struck coins just like the original ancient coins were hand-struck, so while the shape and centring of the coins are often unique, the dies are uniquely his own (not mechanically copied off a genuine coin) and finding a perfect match for a Slavey is very, very bad news indeed. Here's the Slavey coin. Here's a beat-up, "circulated", cast copy of the same coin.

There are several key diagnostic points that match, including:
- the crossbar of the letter "N" meets very low, making it look almost like a "H" or even a "W".
- the fold of drapery coming out of his lap reaches down and almost touches the base of the chair, right at the third bead.
- the odd triangular "flaw" just below Apollo's chin on the obverse rim.

In short: sorry, but this coin is 100% definitely not genuine.
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markn

Quote from: 'proof27' pid='52952' dateline='1403122804'Thanks sapyx

Here's a real drachm with the same design.  Reputable seller, coin is real.

http://db.stevealbum.com/php/lot_rtl.php?site=1&lang=1&sale=281&lot=29
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