Is this a fake?

Fr45h3R · August 18, 2013, 10:23:53 PM

Quote from: 'lacey' pid='25438' dateline='1376825765'So if granny gave this to me, were they still in use back then, (without giving you a date)? How much were these worth in 1915.

20 shillings. Or 1 pound

runway · August 18, 2013, 10:34:40 PM

FAKE/COUNTERFEITS/COPIES call it what you want as far as I'm concerned this is fraud

Fulvio · August 19, 2013, 12:22:29 AM

Quote from: 'runway' pid='25452' dateline='1376831080'FAKE/COUNTERFEITS/COPIES call it what you want as far as I'm concerned this is fraud

Not if they're gold, and the coin is only worth bullion, which the majority are. Gold is gold, makes no difference what the shape is.

Of course, if they're NOT gold, its a different story.. though the gold-plated platinum fakes are worth more than the real thing.

black sheep · August 21, 2013, 11:09:59 AM

Hi, just going back on what Trout said about if it were a jewellers copy it still should be 22k. I have to disagree mate, I have done some gold jewellery buying and selling and so, so, so many items hallmarked are below the carat that has been marked on the item. eg. 22k marked piece tests as 18k.... or 9k testing as low as 5k.

No offence if any of you good people are jewellers but there are/have been some real rip off merchants out there. Anyone can stamp a piece with whatever they like and most people believe "it must be 18k because its marked on there."
The main reason I got out of gold buying & selling was due to the huge amount of fake and under carat stuff out there. They hurt a small business working on large turnover/low margins. (Not every piece can always be acid tested)
If ever the new type XRF guns become affordable I would consider the gold business again. The big buyers are using them now.
...so , as in coins ...its buyer beware.
cheers

lacey · August 21, 2013, 12:43:29 PM

Thanks Mr Blacksheep. It is a shame there are people in the world who are always out to rip ppl off.

Fulvio · August 21, 2013, 04:20:42 PM

I guess I was one of the naive who believed gold standards could be trusted. I knew two jewellers when I was a kid, one of whom made the Melbourne Cups each year (the one they give to the winner). Spent many hours hanging around the workshop watching how the magic was done, and I never saw anything dodgy. Guess I assumed that was the norm.... wrong again, eh?

Bob_PNS · August 21, 2013, 07:16:16 PM

Can compare your coin with this choice example:
http://www.sterlingcurrency.com.au/items/gold-half-sovereign-1915-sydney-mint-choice-unc-ms-63.

Looks a pretty damn fair copy to me, but an expert might differ :-)

Should definitely be 19mm diam though. If it is real gold, even if it is a fake, it's still worth around the $200 mark.

runway · August 21, 2013, 09:35:35 PM

Fake counterfeit call it what you want but anything as such is fraud regardless of bullion value

Fulvio · August 21, 2013, 10:08:50 PM

Quote from: 'runway' pid='25750' dateline='1377086735'Fake counterfeit call it what you want but anything as such is fraud regardless of bullion value

Fraud is a pretty specific term. I think I disagree with your generalisation.