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Numismatic Discussion => Coin Chit Chat => Topic started by: ausjack on May 07, 2013, 08:42:06 AM

Title: most regal australian obverse?
Post by: ausjack on May 07, 2013, 08:42:06 AM
I think the KGV is our most regal and think all the coins should have that regal look..he looks like a man of power where as GVI and early LisII make them look common, could be anyone just walking down the street..personally I think a crown makes a big differance and look so much better..but that's just me. And I'll probably change my mind tomorrow :mocking:
Title: RE: most regal australian obverse?
Post by: accumulator on May 07, 2013, 09:20:51 AM
I don't think i've ever seen Lizzie wear her crown,obviously she would have during her coronation but i was'nt even a twinkle in the old man's eye back then LOL,a wreath in the 50's & 60's & a Tiara since.
Title: RE: most regal australian obverse?
Post by: triplewitch on May 07, 2013, 09:24:35 AM
She's wearing a crown on a 2002 50 cent piece from Canada.-John
Title: RE: most regal australian obverse?
Post by: accumulator on May 07, 2013, 09:30:39 AM
She is too, sorry to the Canadian collectors but that obverse is a shocker imo.
Title: RE: most regal australian obverse?
Post by: ausjack on May 07, 2013, 10:08:44 AM
We do have some new nclt that have it on the reverse and some other commonwealth countries did like cyprus, there may be heaps more as there's been a few countries in the commonwealth
Title: RE: most regal australian obverse?
Post by: enworb on May 07, 2013, 10:30:18 AM
I agree that the KGV obverse is the best obverse on any australian coin. It is what initially got me into predecinals and all that i collected for a while. I like that it is not just his head and neck but also his chest and shoulders. Maybe is just isnt appropriate to show the chest of a female monarch?
Title: RE: most regal australian obverse?
Post by: robbiegal on May 07, 2013, 04:56:53 PM
Q Victoria had fairly chesty effigies
But KGVI and QEII have very different regal images
Maybe the royalty were toning down the jewels and cloakes to appear more in tune with the citizens?
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Post by: Robster on May 07, 2013, 07:09:29 PM
KGV. for me.!
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Post by: Mister T on May 07, 2013, 08:06:23 PM
No love for Edward VII?
(http://triton.vg/images/F10obv.jpg)

But yeah, George V really looked like a king. I'd agree it's the best design.
Title: RE: most regal australian obverse?
Post by: enworb on May 07, 2013, 09:07:49 PM
I think the Edward obverse is not as appreciated because so often its not fully struck or its worn and tough to see the detail.
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Post by: Mister T on May 08, 2013, 08:11:12 AM
Yeah, and I think Edward VII comes across as a little slouched as well.
Title: RE: most regal australian obverse?
Post by: ausjack on May 09, 2013, 11:08:00 AM
Gee I'm a putz, thought I had some just had to find them, here ya go. I got some from Jeff and trout and a couple from the markets when I seen the different obverse I thought about collecting them, so the KGVI are, small silver 1948 10 cent Malaya and gold is 1950 threepence fiji and QEII are small silver 1953 sixpence fiji and the big one is 1971 $1 hong kong  (http://i43.tinypic.com/2hzvk1.jpg)
Title: RE: most regal australian obverse?
Post by: trout on May 09, 2013, 08:24:02 PM
I don't know about the most regal but this is my favourite obverse :ok:
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Title: RE: most regal australian obverse?
Post by: robbiegal on May 09, 2013, 09:13:13 PM
The Imperial State Crown is 31.5cm high, weighs 0.91kg and is set with over 3,000 precious stones, including the 317 carat Cullinan II diamond.

http://www.royal.gov.uk/The%20Royal%20Collection%20and%20other%20collections/TheCrownJewels/Gallery.aspx
Title: RE: most regal australian obverse?
Post by: trout on May 09, 2013, 09:34:31 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='14152' dateline='1368099793'The Imperial State Crown is 31.5cm high, weighs 0.91kg and is set with over 3,000 precious stones, including the 317 carat Cullinan II diamond.

http://www.royal.gov.uk/The%20Royal%20Collection%20and%20other%20collections/TheCrownJewels/Gallery.aspx

The crown jewels are kept at the tower of London and guarded by the "Beef Eaters".
I had the opportunity to view these items about 40 years ago.
A most impressive display of gold and jewels :good:
But getting back on subject, the portrait of young Lizzy is enigmatic simply because of the   olive headband and the poise portrayed on the obverse.
In my opinion the only other monarchs bust that is as appealing is the young Victoria obverse (Not on any Aussie coins) The veiled head was awful.
Just my opinion you mob :ok:
Title: RE: most regal australian obverse?
Post by: triplewitch on May 09, 2013, 09:40:51 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='14144' dateline='1368096842'I don't know about the most regal but this is my favourite obverse :ok:

I always liked the one after.-John
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Post by: robbiegal on May 09, 2013, 10:33:05 PM
(http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv93/ROBBIEWITHLUV/error%20coins%20april%202013/Imperial-Crown-IndiaKingGeorgeVtowearattheDelhiCoronationDurbarin1911_zps017485f1.jpg)
I've never taken that much interest in the crowns or tiaras' but jack's thread has made me curious
it seems that there are specific crown jewels for certain occasions
and the Imperial India Crown is shown there both on QEII and KGV (your pics jack)
Perth Mint:
"In its response from London, The Royal Mint underlined the fact that Gillick’s treatment represented a “deliberate departure” from tradition.  Despite the controversy it stirred at the time, the delightful image of the young Queen remains a favourite for many.  It featured on Australian coins until decimalisation in 1966 when the Arnold Machin portrait was introduced (thereby pre-dating its adoption by British coins by two years)."
http://blog.perthmint.com.au/2011/10/31/keeping-the-queen%E2%80%99s-effigy-right/

whereas for our coinage QEII is wearing the 'Girls of Britain and Ireland Tiara
(http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv93/ROBBIEWITHLUV/error%20coins%20april%202013/qeiigirlsofgreatbritainandirelandtiara_zpsbf11e4d6.jpg)(http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv93/ROBBIEWITHLUV/error%20coins%20april%202013/queen-elizabeth-girls-britain-ireland-tiara-_zps37f90da1.jpg)

and then later the ''Royal Diadem'', which she wears on her way to and from the State Opening of Parliament
(http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv93/ROBBIEWITHLUV/error%20coins%20april%202013/qeII3_zps32fe5f4b.jpg)(http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv93/ROBBIEWITHLUV/error%20coins%20april%202013/qeiilargercrown_zpsb397c289.jpg)
interesting

I found a great snap of Q Victoria's jubilee crown too - diamonds unleashed, contains 1, 187 diamonds, as well! Her mourning crown after prince Albert's death
pics for interests 'sake
(http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv93/ROBBIEWITHLUV/error%20coins%20april%202013/queenvicsmalldiamondcrown_zps8c639001.jpg)

ps Trout
This may be the effigy that you mention?
I love this effigy of QVic
I am trying to figure out which crown she is wearing
(http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv93/ROBBIEWITHLUV/error%20coins%20april%202013/PC180361_zpsfcb69f5c.jpg)(http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv93/ROBBIEWITHLUV/error%20coins%20april%202013/PC180360_zps397bbb74.jpg)
Title: RE: most regal australian obverse?
Post by: trout on May 10, 2013, 05:29:58 AM
Quoteps Trout
 This may be the effigy that you mention?
 I love this effigy of QVic
 I am trying to figure out which crown she is wearing
Looks like she is wearing the jubilee crown :ok:
BTW stunning florin RG :drooling:
Title: RE: most regal australian obverse?
Post by: ausjack on May 10, 2013, 06:52:17 AM
The crown jewels are kept at the tower of London [/quote]

:scratch_one-s_head: I was always told to be careful and look after the crown jewels but always thought they're a bit closer to home :blush2:
Title: RE: most regal australian obverse?
Post by: enworb on May 10, 2013, 08:03:46 AM
It looks like the jubilee crown to me as well but it is way too big and the coin was minted 20 years before the crown was created.
Title: RE: most regal australian obverse?
Post by: Unicorn on May 10, 2013, 08:18:01 AM
:laughingneqw: indeed AJ ....... I understand that at times they are almost on display at the Australia Ballet!

RG, I agree with Trout lovely florin! Wow!

Who else time-warped back to primary school and sang God Save The Queen in their head when they say the Queen's pics above?
Title: RE: most regal australian obverse?
Post by: ausjack on May 10, 2013, 08:50:46 AM
:shock: I just had the worst flash back, even remember the bloody picture hanging on the wall..oh god oh god here I go again :Alvarin_33:
Title: RE: most regal australian obverse?
Post by: Unicorn on May 10, 2013, 09:07:42 AM
.... yep ..... sorry about that .....

happy and glorious .......

:help:
Title: RE: most regal australian obverse?
Post by: robbiegal on May 10, 2013, 12:11:17 PM
Quote from: 'enworb' pid='14182' dateline='1368138826'It looks like the jubilee crown to me as well but it is way too big and the coin was minted 20 years before the crown was created.

hum
I did try to find out more enworb and not being much of a royalist I haven't a clue!!
it seems that the lovely older Vickie preferred the jubilee crown which I think was made for her as a mourning crown - but not totally sure
I did try to find out about the young Q Victoria crown as that Godless Florin pictured is mine and now, I just gotta have the details of the crowns so that I know what i'm looking at!!
hopefully an expert will step in and save me 5 hours of googling photographs of all the royal families. ha ha
Title: RE: most regal australian obverse?
Post by: Mister T on May 10, 2013, 05:09:08 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='14144' dateline='1368096842'I don't know about the most regal but this is my favourite obverse :ok:


To me it's the odd one out, and there's not enough detail in the face.
Title: RE: most regal australian obverse?
Post by: enworb on May 10, 2013, 05:31:42 PM
I first thought that about the Gillick obverse but have come to appreciate it.
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Post by: Mister T on May 10, 2013, 06:44:34 PM
Yeah it's not bad.