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Got this graded recently.
PCGS MS64BN.
Its considerably brighter in the hand than the crappy PCGS image too.
What do you reckon about the BN designation ?
Is there underlying lustre as well? hard to tell from the pcgs image.
Brilliant coin either way. Very nice
I'm a long long way from being a PCGS expert but i would have thought it would get an RB colour designation.
A BN designation seems rather harsh to me too.
Here is another that got a 62BN:
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I've seen some very harsh grading lately.
Especially Aussie copper.
I get the feeling they are biased against it.
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Got this graded recently.
PCGS MS64BN.
Its considerably brighter in the hand than the crappy PCGS image too.
What do you reckon about the BN designation ?
personally
I think a brown designation is ridiculous for that coin
and unfair as well
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='13641' dateline='1367625042'I've seen some very harsh grading lately.
Especially Aussie copper.
I get the feeling they are biased against it.
Whilst I that I feel these both coins were under graded, doesn't the grading go to 2 people, and a 3rd if the first 2 don't agree ?
One of the 'pros' in my eyes for using PCGS was consistency, however recently i'm starting to see examples where this isn't the case.
I cant believe that got BN!
Would I be correct in assuming a 'red' grading is more desirable because of it's relative rareness.:idea:??.
yep yep
got to be 95% original red
but that halfpenny is a red/brown not brown , i'd reckon
For sure Robster, anything with the RD designation is really sort after,they get snapped up very quickly.
I've split the off topic posts in this thread to another thread.
ta :angel:
The 1925 was probably kept in a BN holder because the obverse has less than 5% red.
This came back BN, the reverse had practically full subdued red (doesn't look very subdued in the photo as they've reflected the light into the lens), but the obverse was fully toned:
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I believe you need 5% on both faces to make an RB slab.
Your 1920 penny seems right at 62BN, nice surfaces (looks like a 64) but it's got friction on the obverse.
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='13701' dateline='1367721481'The 1925 was probably kept in a BN holder because the obverse has less than 5% red.
This came back BN, the reverse had practically full subdued red (doesn't look very subdued in the photo as they've reflected the light into the lens), but the obverse was fully toned:
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I believe you need 5% on both faces to make an RB slab.
Your 1920 penny seems right at 62BN, nice surfaces (looks like a 64) but it's got friction on the obverse.
Thanks Walter
I'd like to see PCGS publish more information about how they grade. Would be less frustrating when bad grades come through.
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Got this graded recently.
PCGS MS64BN.
Its considerably brighter in the hand than the crappy PCGS image too.
What do you reckon about the BN designation ?
I honestly cannot see how this obverse is only 5% red ????
"I honestly cannot see how this obverse is only 5% red ???? "
Me too. Looks at least 10-15% to me.
I'm with Robbie & Enworb,there looks to me to be far more than 5% red on the obverse.
I suppose if you want a second opinion, then you have to 're-submit' and pay the fees again?
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='13701' dateline='1367721481'The 1925 was probably kept in a BN holder because the obverse has less than 5% red.
This came back BN, the reverse had practically full subdued red (doesn't look very subdued in the photo as they've reflected the light into the lens), but the obverse was fully toned:
I believe you need 5% on both faces to make an RB slab.
Your 1920 penny seems right at 62BN, nice surfaces (looks like a 64) but it's got friction on the obverse.
As always Walter, excellent information.
Would you ever consider running a Webcast to perhaps discuss topics like this with live questions from the audience ?
I'm happy to answer any questions but I'm only basing what I see from experience, you're better off asking PCGS.
In answer to the 5%, it's not just a matter of what % of the coin has brilliance, but how brilliant that is brilliance is. The brilliance in the devices of the obverse isn't fully brilliant. Full brilliance is a bright golden red, this is a toned red so it counts for less.
thanks for trying to explain it
it is tricky for some collectors, like myself, who might be collecting what we think is a red by aussie standards, to maybe one day submit to pcgs
most of what I think might be red or red/brown looks as if it's by pcgs standards, brown
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='13739' dateline='1367747927'I'm happy to answer any questions but I'm only basing what I see from experience, you're better off asking PCGS.
In answer to the 5%, it's not just a matter of what % of the coin has brilliance, but how brilliant that is brilliance is. The brilliance in the devices of the obverse isn't fully brilliant. Full brilliance is a bright golden red, this is a toned red so it counts for less.
It came out reddish in the PCGS photo but its actually bright orange.
Rough photo taken before it was graded.
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I've got some silly grades back lately.
Stuff badly undergraded
and overgraded.
Original coins bodybagged as cleaned.
Got an obverse pic? Excluding all the 'questionable color' bodybags from a few years back, I disagree with less than 1% of the PCGS graded coins I handle (and they're usually undergraded). Not long after I started sending coins over it was about 20%. As you send more coins over you begin to understand how they grade, and while you might not necessarily agree with their method, you'll be able to understand why each coin gets awarded its respective grading.
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='13750' dateline='1367752478'Got an obverse pic? Excluding all the 'questionable color' bodybags from a few years back, I disagree with less than 1% of the PCGS graded coins I handle (and they're usually undergraded). Not long after I started sending coins over it was about 20%. As you send more coins over you begin to understand how they grade, and while you might not necessarily agree with their method, you'll be able to understand why each coin gets awarded its respective grading.
No obverse photo unfortunately.
However the colour is the same as the reverse which is bright orange not red.
I find it difficult to understand how this one got RB while mine is BN:
Surely they are using such images for a reference...
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