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Numismatic Discussion => Coin Chit Chat => Topic started by: Fulvio on April 28, 2013, 07:44:10 PM

Title: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Fulvio on April 28, 2013, 07:44:10 PM
Many moons ago, back on the Forum, Mk I or thereabouts, I seem to recall a spreadsheet floating around of Decimal Mintages. I think I even had a copy of it. But I can't find it, and before I sit down and recreate one from scratch, I thought I'd ask if anyone has a copy. No sense reinventing the wheel, right?
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: enworb on April 28, 2013, 08:05:26 PM
The RAM website lists all the mintages in a table.
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Fulvio on April 28, 2013, 08:13:25 PM
Ooooh.. when did THAT happen? Thanks heaps. Now I just have to copy/paste a bit. :)
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: robbiegal on April 28, 2013, 08:17:14 PM
let me know when you find it Fulvio
I just had a look but can't se it
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Nevol on April 28, 2013, 08:24:58 PM
I have a simple single page Excel version that I did up.  Not 100% sure of the content just at present though.  Haven't updated it for a while, but then there haven't been any new figures since last Nov, so it might be up to date.  It's only for circulation coins. If you want it, let me know and I'll send it to you.

Same offer applies to anyone that would like a copy. :angel:
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: enworb on April 28, 2013, 08:37:14 PM
http://www.ramint.gov.au/designs/ram-designs/index.cfm

You can click on the denomination on the left and it will bering up all the years onm the right and list mintages.
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: trout on April 28, 2013, 08:42:55 PM
Quote from: 'enworb' pid='13240' dateline='1367147234'http://www.ramint.gov.au/designs/ram-designs/index.cfm

You can click on the denomination on the left and it will bering up all the years onm the right and list mintages.

Great link Matty :good:
That instantly went into "My favourites" :dance2:
Thanks Mate :good:
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: robbiegal on April 28, 2013, 08:50:35 PM
Quote from: 'enworb' pid='13240' dateline='1367147234'http://www.ramint.gov.au/designs/ram-designs/index.cfm

You can click on the denomination on the left and it will bering up all the years onm the right and list mintages.

cheers thanks
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: enworb on April 28, 2013, 09:31:11 PM
I have a hunch that the 1977 10c mintage is wrong but other than that its a pretty good resource if you dont have a maccas or renniks handy.
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Pedro on April 28, 2013, 09:45:04 PM
I think there may have been an overstatement of the 2009 Aged Pension $1 mintage (10.158m vs the RAM list of 21.3m). Seem to recall one or two others varying as well (ie totals from RAM Annual Reports vs the RAM lists) although I can't recall what they were offhand. The RAM lists are generally OK though.

Pedro
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Fulvio on April 29, 2013, 12:47:44 AM
I'm now working my way through those pages and building my own HTML page which I'm then going to turn into a PDF for easy access on an iPhone. Up to the CoF student design 20¢ so far.

The mintages aren't quite right either. They're probably close enough, but just in case I'm also grabbing the annual reports and will double check once the "core" job is done.

Yes, I'd love a copy of anything you guys have that might help things along. fulvio55@icloud.com works best.
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Pedro on April 29, 2013, 06:12:36 AM
Fulvio - e-mail sent with a list of mintages that I have.

Pedro
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Fulvio on April 29, 2013, 01:15:26 PM
Thanks guys. Nice work on those lists. I'll get to them later when I'm done noodling for the day.
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Fulvio on April 29, 2013, 10:45:45 PM
Ok, I'm giving up for the night.

Here's what I've got so far: http://goo.gl/CdA7n
Figures are mostly from the RAM website at this stage, and therefore imprecise. I'll leave the fact checking till the end, in case I run out of enthusiasm for this project before its done.

The layout is as simple as I could make it, the objective being to have it presentable on an iPhone/iPod. It will probably change, perhaps with the figures condensed and the pics and guff following.

As always, I'm open to criticism/suggestions.
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: enworb on April 29, 2013, 10:55:04 PM
Layout is very good. It would be good to include mint set figures for years that werent released for circulation i think. Maybe a symbol or different coloue to indicate that they were not released for circulation would be a good idea though.
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Fulvio on April 29, 2013, 11:04:04 PM
That is a very good idea. I'll put it down for Rev C (after mintage revisions and layout compaction). ;)
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: ausjack on April 29, 2013, 11:31:06 PM
:huh:
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Pedro on April 30, 2013, 06:32:54 AM
Looking good Fulvio. Great work.

Pedro
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Goldseeker on April 30, 2013, 10:54:55 AM
Tis a pity Brissy Boy is not with us on this forum.    I believe he had all the mintages down pat.......!
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: robbiegal on April 30, 2013, 09:20:36 PM
jeepers
what a lot of work Fulvio :exclamation:
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Fulvio on April 30, 2013, 10:18:42 PM
Meh, hand-coding isn't that hard with cut and paste. ;)

But its tedious enough that it will take a few more days, for sure. ;)
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Fulvio on June 10, 2013, 10:10:13 AM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='13394' dateline='1367241345'Here's what I've got so far: http://goo.gl/CdA7n

I've been a bit slack about this, but the list is complete, and now includes varieties. Eventually I'll get the actual mintage figures for all years, rather than the RAM approximations, but it may take a while yet. :)
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Goldseeker on June 10, 2013, 11:47:25 AM
Fulvio:   Will you be including the Mint Mark/Privy Mark coins at some stage?

Further, what about the baby Coin  Sets for the various $1 coins?
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: r9453 on June 10, 2013, 12:07:10 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='17624' dateline='1370824813'
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='13394' dateline='1367241345'Here's what I've got so far: http://goo.gl/CdA7n

Thank you Fulvio, very handy. :good:
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Fulvio on June 10, 2013, 12:35:24 PM
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='17638' dateline='1370830645'Fulvio:   Will you be including the Mint Mark/Privy Mark coins at some stage?

Further, what about the baby Coin  Sets for the various $1 coins?

I wasn't really planning on including NCLT, to be honest. Far too many of them, they're unlikely to be seen in circulation, and the whole thing would get real messy real fast.

That said, I do plan on putting the HTML source up, making it easy for anyone to grab the whole thing and modify to your heart's content. I'm just holding off until I get the numbers right, because its easier to maintain a single copy on my local network and not worry about version control.
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Goldseeker on June 10, 2013, 02:36:27 PM
Regardless Fulvio, a good list.
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: interest on June 10, 2013, 11:25:49 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='17650' dateline='1370833524'
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='17638' dateline='1370830645'Fulvio:   Will you be including the Mint Mark/Privy Mark coins at some stage?

Further, what about the baby Coin  Sets for the various $1 coins?

I wasn't really planning on including NCLT, to be honest. Far too many of them, they're unlikely to be seen in circulation, and the whole thing would get real messy real fast.

That said, I do plan on putting the HTML source up, making it easy for anyone to grab the whole thing and modify to your heart's content. I'm just holding off until I get the numbers right, because its easier to maintain a single copy on my local network and not worry about version control.

was going to ask about that, will look forward to the HTML source
Well done good list.
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: r9453 on June 24, 2013, 09:11:50 PM
Would it be possible to include a short :) explanation as to how the ? arises? Maybe even as a footnote? :idea: ?
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Fulvio on June 24, 2013, 10:31:08 PM
What I uploaded for you was my working copy. The ? marks are numbers that don't add up, in most cases you'll see two mintages, from different sources. I plan on having a little discussion with the mint about the somewhat rubbery figures, but don't expect to really get anywhere. We may come to a consensus based on what others have accepted, or quote a possible range, I don't know yet.

I'm also thinking I might use this list as a starting point for the errors list. Varieties are already in there, so it might be a case of chopping out the descriptions (we all know what the coins are anyway), and inserting errors (and possibly flaws) in their place. But some coins have dozens of distinct errors, so it could get unwieldy pretty quickly.

I'm also going to try and get some high-res artwork out of the mint, with which to illustrate the errors. Something like the hand-drawn predecimals errors list, but a little more modern.
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: r9453 on June 24, 2013, 10:41:40 PM
Thank you Fulvio for your straightforward explanation. Btw, where on earth, or beyond, do Maccas & Renniks get their numbers from? I can see that in some cases its simply rounding errors but... :derisive:
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Fulvio on June 24, 2013, 10:48:56 PM
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='19274' dateline='1372079500'Thank you Fulvio for your straightforward explanation. Btw, where on earth, or beyond, do Maccas & Renniks get their numbers from? I can see that in some cases its simply rounding errors but... :derisive:

Same place as everybody else... they start with the reports, and add lots of guesswork. But being weighty tomes, everybody assumes they're accurate.
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: r9453 on June 24, 2013, 10:52:23 PM
Fair enough! :gamer:
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: interest on June 25, 2013, 12:13:09 AM
Just noticed the RAM list of Fifty Cent pieces
http://www.ramint.gov.au/designs/ram-designs/50c.cfm
does not include the 2005 Coat of Arms.
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: trout on June 25, 2013, 05:10:15 AM
Quote from: 'interest' pid='19279' dateline='1372084989'Just noticed the RAM list of Fifty Cent pieces
http://www.ramint.gov.au/designs/ram-designs/50c.cfm
does not include the 2005 Coat of Arms.

There was only 30,000 of these minted with 5000 allocated for sale in Australia.
These were on a PNC issue with a Pommy 50p coin World Heritage issue.

This coin :ok:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2005_50c~0.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2005_50b~0.jpg)
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: coxspau on June 25, 2013, 10:06:22 AM
Thanks Fulvio. Very nice work indeed.

Interesting to note that the RAM hasn't yet included mintages for 2011 onwards. You'd think 2 years was enough for the RAM to melt any unsold and tally up the remaining.
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: trout on June 25, 2013, 10:10:29 AM
Quote from: 'coxspau' pid='19317' dateline='1372120582'Thanks Fulvio. Very nice work indeed.

Interesting to note that the RAM hasn't yet included mintages for 2011 onwards. You'd think 2 years was enough for the RAM to melt any unsold and tally up the remaining.

I doubt that the RAM would "Melt" any coins already made.
I think they simply store them until the need arises for more coins of a particular denomination and issue them accordingly.
That's why IMHO they delay the information on mintage figures :ok:
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Fulvio on June 25, 2013, 10:37:33 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='19318' dateline='1372120829'I think they simply store them until the need arises for more coins of a particular denomination and issue them accordingly.

Which is why you sometimes see mintages spread over three years. They don't go back and mint more with the previous year on them, but they release them from stores.
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Australian coin on June 25, 2013, 12:01:36 PM
its very easy, the RAM mint coins, the government buy them to put them into circulation, thus mintages are over time

if the mint do a run of 5million at a time but the government only want to buy 1 million coins the mint has to sit on the spares till they are needed.
unless the government do a special commemorative order like the, plain poppy $2, or the new colour $2, then they set the mintage and say we need this amount of coins made to be release within this timeframe, and that mintage is final.
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: interest on June 25, 2013, 01:31:25 PM
I've been looking at the mintage figures of Fifty cent pieces to find the lowest mintage.
I haven't considered Gold or silver proofs, just the Cupro - Nickle at this stage.
Any guess's as to which coin I've come up with?
Could be a bit of a surprise.
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Fordprefect on June 25, 2013, 01:37:52 PM
1969 Yarralumla "Specimen" 400 released into circulation.
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Fulvio on June 25, 2013, 03:22:57 PM
Quote from: 'Fordprefect' pid='19354' dateline='1372133272'1969 Yarralumla "Specimen" 400 released into circulation.

There was quite a story behind those IIRC. Didn't a bunch of the overruns go into the mint shop till?
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Fordprefect on June 25, 2013, 04:17:39 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='19370' dateline='1372139577'
Quote from: 'Fordprefect' pid='19354' dateline='1372133272'1969 Yarralumla "Specimen" 400 released into circulation.

There was quite a story behind those IIRC. Didn't a bunch of the overruns go into the mint shop till?

Nuphil requested (and paid for) a 2000 run.
Their records indicate a total 1330 PNC's sold.
(I've seen somewhere that the No. maybe 1650
maybe a PNC collector could comment)
Balance of run 350/670 distributed via Mint till.

400 seems a nice round number, but no chance
of determining a circulated 69' Specimen.
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: trout on June 25, 2013, 04:29:02 PM
Quote from: 'Fordprefect' pid='19379' dateline='1372142859'
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='19370' dateline='1372139577'
Quote from: 'Fordprefect' pid='19354' dateline='1372133272'1969 Yarralumla "Specimen" 400 released into circulation.

There was quite a story behind those IIRC. Didn't a bunch of the overruns go into the mint shop till?

Nuphil requested (and paid for) a 2000 run.
Their records indicate a total 1330 PNC's sold.
(I've seen somewhere that the No. maybe 1650
maybe a PNC collector could comment)
Balance of run 350/670 distributed via Mint till.

400 seems a nice round number, but no chance
of determining a circulated 69' Specimen.

:i_agree:
But I doubt that this will stop some dodgy eBay seller from trying to sell a bashed 1969 COA as a circulated  Yarralumla "Specimen" :dodgy:
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Fulvio on June 25, 2013, 04:41:08 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='19381' dateline='1372143542'But I doubt that this will stop some dodgy eBay seller from trying to sell a bashed 1969 COA as a circulated  Yarralumla "Specimen" :dodgy:

Awwww.. y'think? Don't be giving them any ideas mate. :angel:
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Mister T on June 25, 2013, 05:59:44 PM
Quote from: 'Fordprefect' pid='19379' dateline='1372142859'400 seems a nice round number, but no chance
of determining a circulated 69' Specimen.

Isn't there? Maybe I'm remembering wrong but I thought that the last CAB article on the Yarralumla PNC mentioned some die markers/chips that the specimens have and normal circulation coins don't.
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Fulvio on June 25, 2013, 06:08:33 PM
For those who haven't read the story of these yet:
http://www.cruzis-coins.com/Grading/1969Yarralumla.html
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: trout on June 25, 2013, 06:40:43 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='19392' dateline='1372149513'For those who haven't read the story of these yet:
http://www.cruzis-coins.com/Grading/1969Yarralumla.html

Good article Mate :good:
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Fulvio on June 25, 2013, 08:10:19 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='19394' dateline='1372151443'Good article Mate :good:

Great story too. Can you imagine anything like that happening nowadays? :dodgy:
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: trout on June 25, 2013, 08:45:55 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='19399' dateline='1372156819'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='19394' dateline='1372151443'Good article Mate :good:

Great story too. Can you imagine anything like that happening nowadays? :dodgy:

Nearly did, Ask goldie :angel:
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: robbiegal on June 25, 2013, 09:22:00 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='19392' dateline='1372149513'For those who haven't read the story of these yet:
http://www.cruzis-coins.com/Grading/1969Yarralumla.html

my coin dealer remembers them issuing them through the till
they were instructed to do so

he said he was very saddened to see that happening as they could have been sold individually as specimen issues

he still has one and bought it down for me to look at it at our last coin show
his coin is still lustrous and shiny as it was never in the PNC plastic
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Fulvio on June 25, 2013, 10:51:36 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='19412' dateline='1372161120'he still has one and bought it down for me to look at it at our last coin show
his coin is still lustrous and shiny as it was never in the PNC plastic

Oooh, I'd :heart: to see that.
Maybe a pic of it alongside a normal UNC?
Pretty please? :)
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Fulvio on November 13, 2013, 02:17:55 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='13394' dateline='1367241345'Here's what I've got so far: http://goo.gl/CdA7n

Just updated the Decimal Mintages PDF with the latest numbers. Those who are using it may wish to download the new version.

Standouts from the latest report is that they minted more red poppies and canberra 20¢ than expected. 2011 10¢ and $2 are very low mintage, and 2012 $1 MSO as we suspected. And they snuck in a few more 2010's, three years late. Is it just me that thinks this is just plain wrong?

Whups, couple of errors crept in. Now fixed. Apologies.
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Pedro on November 13, 2013, 06:55:00 PM
Only looked at the RAM site this morning and no annual report. Sneaky so and so's waited until I left!

Pedro
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Fulvio on November 13, 2013, 06:56:00 PM
Quote from: 'Pedro' pid='34279' dateline='1384331100'Only looked at the RAM site this morning and no annual report. Sneaky so and so's waited until I left!

Hehe.. they do that. :)
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Nevol on November 13, 2013, 07:05:00 PM
Quote from: 'Pedro' pid='34279' dateline='1384331100'Only looked at the RAM site this morning and no annual report. Sneaky so and so's waited until I left!
Pedro
Yeah, sneaky beggars got me too! Shortcut for anyone that wants to look at the Mintages:http://www.ramint.gov.au/about/compliance/annualreports/2012-13/06_appendices.cfm#b
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Fulvio on November 13, 2013, 07:47:06 PM
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='34285' dateline='1384331700'Yeah, sneaky beggars got me too!

They also upped the size manyfold.. heck of a download when you only want one page of text. :(
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: runway on November 14, 2013, 10:05:56 PM
http://www.ramint.gov.au/about/compliance/annualreports/2012-13/06_appendices.cfm#b
No no RAM that is surely not the Annual report or is it?
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Nevol on November 15, 2013, 12:05:34 PM
Quote from: 'runway' pid='34399' dateline='1384428956'http://www.ramint.gov.au/about/compliance/annualreports/2012-13/06_appendices.cfm#b
No no RAM that is surely not the Annual report or is it?
It's the only part of it that is of any interest to me.  Circulation mintage data.
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Unicorn on November 15, 2013, 12:19:37 PM
:laugh2: It's the only part I read too Nevol

Not sure, but maybe Runway was referring to them not changing the 2011-12 to 2012-13 in the heading of that section.
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Nevol on November 15, 2013, 12:30:31 PM
Ooohhh...I never noticed that! My bad. :angel:
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Unicorn on November 15, 2013, 12:36:09 PM
:laugh2: ... I wouldn't be worried Nevol, the Mint missed it!
Title: RE: Decimal Mintages
Post by: Nevol on November 15, 2013, 12:47:30 PM
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='34447' dateline='1384481169':laugh2: ... I wouldn't be worried Nevol, the Mint missed it!
Heheh.  One of the jobs I did in a former life was proof reading. Now I feel like a failure! Jus jokin'. :winkextra: