I guess Australian Proclamation coins should go in this forum. Proclamation coins and colonial coins are something of a passion of mine and I can remember a long thread on the ACBO forum showing off a lot of them. One particular member there (Volunteer) posted up a a lot of his amazing coins in that thread. I was lucky enough to meet Volunteer a few times and he was an older gentleman. It occurred to me this afternoon that I haven't seen Volunteer online for a LONG time, several months at least. I do hope he is OK. Here's a few proclamation coins for you Les, where ever you happen to be.
1791 Gulden. A coin so nice I've posted it twice :yahoo:
(http://www.timeclockmts.com/coins/netherlands-holland-1791-gulden-pcgs-ms62.jpg)
Great Britain 1787 6d
(http://www.timeclockmts.com/coins/great-britain-1787-6d-pcgs-ms63.jpg)
Great Britain 1787 1s
(http://www.timeclockmts.com/coins/great-britain-1787-1s-2.jpg)
Great Britain 1799 1/2d
(http://www.timeclockmts.com/coins/great-britain-1799-half-penny.jpg)
Very nice,i only have one to add at the moment until i find the other pics.
I really should take better pics of this one too but these were handy.
(http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/appeangel07_photos/006-20.jpg)
(http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/appeangel07_photos/005-22.jpg)
(http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/appeangel07_photos/001-34.jpg)
(http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/appeangel07_photos/003-53.jpg)
Not as nice as yours Mark but i will upgrade in the future.
Awesome Johanna! What denomination is it?
Thanks Mark,It's Brazil 1/2 Johanna 6400 Reis
CARTWHEEL TWOPENCE
with extra
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTQ5N1gxNjAw/$(KGrHqJ,!mIE+uc!Phl-BQM-MDWnS!~~60_12.JPG)
Love the ''extra". :cool: :P
[attachment=1710][attachment=1708][attachment=1709][attachment=1711]Very Cool :icon_e_wink:
Great coins - Thanks for starting this thread
I just joined this good looking forum and find someone with a similar like.
I am no coin expert and started gathering a few Proclamation coins about 18 months ago.
The purists probably would laugh but dont like totally pristine coins I like my old coins to have shown some use and have character.
I particularly like the worn old Lima mint 8 Reale with all the Chinese chop marks.
I like to imagine how many hands its been through and what it tell me if it could speak.
Having said that I don't like to think I am buying total rubbish.
The 1791 Guinea is one of my latest.
cheers
My mouth will not stop watering after looking at these scans.....well done.
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='717' dateline='1348277930'Love the ''extra". :cool: :P
i have a couple of them extra,s to nancy . ,, kel ,,
Is this a colonial coin or just an older Brit penny?
It weighs in at 18.49g
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1d1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1d.jpg)
Me thinks the above penny followed the withdrawal of the old Cartwheel pennies. The Rule Britannia was then used right up till the change in UK Currency.
I picked this up several years ago but never did confirm it was proclamation coinage. It does however appear to be the version pictured by Andrew Crellin in his book "The coinage of Colonial Australia". If so then that would make it Bengal Presidency 1793 Silver Rupee, Calcutta Mint. Relatively common in circulated condition.
Also not sure if that is some sort of chop mark at 5 o'clock on the reverse as it is matched by a similar mark at 7 o'clock on the obverse (hope I got them right)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10124/Rupee_Reverse.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10124/Rupee_Obverse.jpg)
how the hell do you tell which is the obverse on these?
I have a couple of these and I am struggling to work out which way up they are supposed to be let alone which side is which :angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='22365' dateline='1374401910'how the hell do you tell which is the obverse on these?
I have a couple of these and I am struggling to work out which way up they are supposed to be let alone which side is which :angel:
I'm with you. I'm just going by the description in the book.
they used to snip or clip these coins
to ensure that they were sliver
the chop marks in most of the old coins also served the same purpose - to let others know that the coin was genuine
steve - has the coin been sort of clipped in the same spot and then this shows up on both sides?
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='22375' dateline='1374402916'they used to snip or clip these coins
to ensure that they were sliver
the chop marks in most of the old coins also served the same purpose - to let others know that the coin was genuine
steve - has the coin been sort of clipped in the same spot and then this shows up on both sides?
Yes. Same spot on opposite sides. like it was cut with scissors. If it is a chop mark then it's the faintest I've ever seen.
Regardless of the value or unreadability of these coins they ARE an important part of Australia's Numismatic history and well worth having in anyone's collection.
Nice coin Mate , Keep up the good work :good:
When I finally work out how to save my shekels I would like to get one of them Indian Mohur Gold coins, pretty much the same as the silver jobbies but made of gold :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='22365' dateline='1374401910'how the hell do you tell which is the obverse on these?
I have a couple of these and I am struggling to work out which way up they are supposed to be let alone which side is which :angel:
It's usually the side with the regnal year on it. Learn some Arabic numerals and you'll be able to spot them. On this coin it's the big characters that look like "19", which actually stand for 19. A lot of these proclamation era rupees were struck with what's known as a frozen regnal year. Which basically means the date on them didn't change regardless of the actual year they were minted.
Usually the actual date (the year the issuing monarch came into power) is on the other side. I don't see it on this one though so it's either off the flan (which is common) or it's a design that didn't include the date.
Disclaimer: I haven't had my coffee yet so if this is all wrong then it's your fault not mine. :angel:
Reverse, Obverse, back, front or otherwise it is a beautiful thing.!!
This link from Museum Victoria has a bit more info about it. Mine seems to show the bead above the 2 dots in the first line of the obverse so would appear to be the Calcutta Mint.
http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/72953/coin-1-rupee-bengal-india-1793
Quote from: 'Steveqld' pid='22453' dateline='1374463063'This link from Museum Victoria has a bit more info about it. Mine seems to show the bead above the 2 dots in the first line of the obverse so would appear to be the Calcutta Mint.
http://museumvictoria.com.au/collections/items/72953/coin-1-rupee-bengal-india-1793
Great reference Mate , Thank you :good:
Quote from: 'Steveqld' pid='22364' dateline='1374401754'I picked this up several years ago but never did confirm it was proclamation coinage. It does however appear to be the version pictured by Andrew Crellin in his book "The coinage of Colonial Australia". If so then that would make it Bengal Presidency 1793 Silver Rupee, Calcutta Mint. Relatively common in circulated condition.
Also not sure if that is some sort of chop mark at 5 o'clock on the reverse as it is matched by a similar mark at 7 o'clock on the obverse (hope I got them right)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10124/Rupee_Reverse.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10124/Rupee_Obverse.jpg)
maybe Andrew may come in to comment on your coin
he seems to pop in at times
I am pretty sure that Markn has done a lot of work regarding Proclamation and colonial coins and "Knows His Apples" so to speak :angel:
Yes Trout, :i_agree:, Mark definately knows a Golden Delicious from a Granny Smith!!!
Ohhh .... and PPH ..... she'd know the .....Pink Ladies!!!
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='22456' dateline='1374463770'maybe Andrew may come in to comment on your coin
he seems to pop in at times
I am sure Andrew would have something to add.
I've just looked this up in our Pridmore. He says the obverse is the opposite to what I said.
Milled Rupees of this type were minted in four distinct phases,1790, 1792/3, 1793, and 1819. The one pictured here is from the 1793 minting. This is shown by the dot above the left most beads on the obverse and also shows it was minted in Calcutta. The 1790 issue had rim denticles on both sides. The 1792/3 minting had no denticles and no mint mark dot while the 1819 minting has the dot but also has a an additional floral mark on the obverse that is not present on this coin. So, therefore it's a 1793 coin. All four types were machine struck, and other mints where this coin was made were Dacca and Patna.
The legend on the obverse (the side WITHOUT the 19 on it) translates to:
"Defender of the religion of Muhammad. Shah Alam. Emperor. Shadow of the divine favour, put his stamp on the seven climes."
The legend on the reverse (the side WITH the 19 on it) translates to:
"Struck at Murshidabad in year 19 of this reign of tranquil prosperity"
Murshidabad is also known as Calcutta.
The coin was specified to be 179 2/3 grains in mass and 97 11/12ths silver fineness. The date on the obverse was omitted from the design intentionally.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='22460' dateline='1374464124'I am pretty sure that Markn has done a lot of work regarding Proclamation and colonial coins and "Knows His Apples" so to speak :angel:
yeah true
but Steve posted that Andrew has written a book about aussie colonials, so his expertise would also be very valuable information
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='22474' dateline='1374467589'Quote from: 'trout' pid='22460' dateline='1374464124'I am pretty sure that Markn has done a lot of work regarding Proclamation and colonial coins and "Knows His Apples" so to speak :angel:
yeah true
but Steve posted that Andrew has written a book about aussie colonials, so his expertise would also be very valuable information
Andrew was logged on earlier today :ok:
While you are here Mark, is that penny I post a colonial coin or just some old pommy copper? :)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='22476' dateline='1374467773'While you are here Mark, is that penny I post a colonial coin or just some old pommy copper? :)
The 1806 coin? I don't recall if it was a penny/halfpenny/farthing. In any event I wouldn't have a problem calling it a colonial coin.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='22481' dateline='1374469318'Quote from: 'trout' pid='22476' dateline='1374467773'While you are here Mark, is that penny I post a colonial coin or just some old pommy copper? :)
The 1806 coin? I don't recall if it was a penny/halfpenny/farthing. In any event I wouldn't have a problem calling it a colonial coin.
Thanks Mate ill add it to the rest of them :dance2:
It is a phat penny and weighs in at 18.4g.:angel:
Quote from: 'markn' pid='22481' dateline='1374469318'Quote from: 'trout' pid='22476' dateline='1374467773'While you are here Mark, is that penny I post a colonial coin or just some old pommy copper? :)
The 1806 coin? I don't recall if it was a penny/halfpenny/farthing. In any event I wouldn't have a problem calling it a colonial coin.
I've always been a bit confused about what constituted a "Proclamation coin" as I've interpreted it strictly as those appearing in the Table of Specie of the 19/11/1800 proclamation itself. Undoubtedly there were other coins circulating but not mentioned and probably reflects Marks terminology of a "colonial coin" Vs a "Proclamation coin". Examples are the 1987 sixpence, 1799 halfpenny and the 1797 twopence.
None of these appear in the proclamation but a footnote in McDonalds recognizes that "most collectors include related denominations".
Just my opinion but a proclamation coin can only be one specifically mentioned in King's proclamation but others also circulating without being officially recognized may be "colonial coinage". Also the proclamation states
"I have judged it most expedient herewith to publish the following table of all the specie legally circulating in the Colony...." (my emphasis). Hence if the denomination does not appear in the proclamation can it be said that the denomination was not "legally circulating".
Jeez, a colonial Australian not obeying the law, what type of person did they send out here anyway?
QuoteJeez, a colonial Australian not obeying the law, what type of person did they send out here anyway?
:laugh2:
Quote from: 'Steveqld' pid='22486' dateline='1374470809'Quote from: 'markn' pid='22481' dateline='1374469318'Quote from: 'trout' pid='22476' dateline='1374467773'While you are here Mark, is that penny I post a colonial coin or just some old pommy copper? :)
The 1806 coin? I don't recall if it was a penny/halfpenny/farthing. In any event I wouldn't have a problem calling it a colonial coin.
I've always been a bit confused about what constituted a "Proclamation coin" as I've interpreted it strictly as those appearing in the Table of Specie of the 19/11/1800 proclamation itself. Undoubtedly there were other coins circulating but not mentioned and probably reflects Marks terminology of a "colonial coin" Vs a "Proclamation coin".
That's the logic I use.
I've spent the last little while looking for a reference to a large arrival of British copper into the colony of NSW not long after the holey dollars were minted in 1813 but I cannot find it. But here's something interesting (and other coins you can add to the colonial coin list):
1. In 1829 "doubloons" or Spanish 2 escudo coins were circulating in Hobart.
2. 27 June 1829 in the Hobart Town Courier. Austrian dollars (talers) were circulating in Hobart.
3. Rates of pay set by the NSW colonial government in 1825 for their soldiers included rates in French 5 Franc coins (equivalent to 4s) and US dollars (equivalent to 4s 4d). Presumably if those coins were important enough to appear in a colonial minute then they were present in the colony.
Another I picked up some time ago. At least I knew what this one was.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10124/1797_rev_cropped.jpg) (http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10124/1797_obv_cropped.jpg)
Quote from: 'Steveqld' pid='22494' dateline='1374473232'Another I picked up some time ago. At least I knew what this one was.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10124/1797_rev_cropped.jpg) (http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10124/1797_obv_cropped.jpg)
Nice one Mate, Most of these had a pretty hard time of it ,
This one looks great :good:
Here's a direct quote from the Hobart Town Courier, 27 June 1829.
"In additional a caution is necessary as to the various silver coins now in circulation amongst us. Besides the Spanish dollars, half dollars and quarters, there is a variety of other French, South American, and German coins, nearly of the same size, but generally of inferior value, which are apt to be passed for the same".
And the Hobart Town Courier, 11 July 1829.
"A species of coin, hitherto not very common amongst us, known the the name of the Austrian dollar, had lately been imported, we believe in some numbers. ..... indeed it passes in equal currency and in equal value with the Spanish dollar all over Europe."
Quote from: 'markn' pid='22496' dateline='1374474142'Here's a direct quote from the Hobart Town Courier, 27 June 1829.
"In additional a caution is necessary as to the various silver coins now in circulation amongst us. Besides the Spanish dollars, half dollars and quarters, there is a variety of other French, South American, and German coins, nearly of the same size, but generally of inferior value, which are apt to be passed for the same".
It would have been an absolute nightmare running a pub back then with all the different coins .
then you if throw in tokens, the monetary confusion gets worse
I think that was why rum was such a viable commodity for trade purposes (as well as recreation) - the value was fairly reliable and consistent
Quote from: 'markn' pid='22493' dateline='1374473135'I've spent the last little while looking for a reference to a large arrival of British copper into the colony of NSW not long after the holey dollars were minted in 1813 but I cannot find it.
Not sure if this helps with the reference you were looking for. About 1812 Macquarie asked for the issue of 5000 pounds in copper to be issued at double face value however whilst Liverpool agreed, the request was never progressed. It seems to have been the only significant request since King in 1803.
This is a free online version of the book "Foundations of the Australian Monetary System" from the University of Sydney. The reference to the request is about page 88/89.
http://setis.library.usyd.edu.au/ozlit/pdf/sup0003.pdf
Quote from: 'Steveqld' pid='22506' dateline='1374477804'Quote from: 'markn' pid='22493' dateline='1374473135'I've spent the last little while looking for a reference to a large arrival of British copper into the colony of NSW not long after the holey dollars were minted in 1813 but I cannot find it.
Not sure if this helps with the reference you were looking for. About 1812 Macquarie asked for the issue of 5000 pounds in copper to be issued at double face value however whilst Liverpool agreed, the request was never progressed. It seems to have been the only significant request since King in 1803.
This is a free online version of the book "Foundations of the Australian Monetary System" from the University of Sydney. The reference to the request is about page 88/89.
http://setis.library.usyd.edu.au/ozlit/pdf/sup0003.pdf
Thanks Steve. We have a good old-fashioned hard copy of that book.
You Mob are great, I have learnt more about Proc coins in the last 24hrs than I ever knew before ( That wouldn't be too hard tho :blush:) :yahoo:
Wow...that a ripper Cartwheel Steveqld
I just picked up this 1746 Lima mint Half crown.
Do you think its OK to call this a Proclamation coin ?
I kinda thought maybe yes, as they should have been still in circulation early 1800's (to anyone wealthy enough)
Happy collectin:winkextra:
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from my "Limited" knowledge of Proclamation coins I would call this a "Colonial" coin.
George 2nd was most certainly an unfortunate looking bloke :angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='22744' dateline='1374653055'from my "Limited" knowledge of Proclamation coins I would call this a "Colonial" coin.
George 2nd was most certainly an unfortunate looking bloke :angel:
Yeah he got hit with the ugly stick alright..hehehehe.
Who cares if your the king of England but eh
Old Bullhead GIII was no model either:haha:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='22744' dateline='1374653055'from my "Limited" knowledge of Proclamation coins I would call this a "Colonial" coin.
George 2nd was most certainly an unfortunate looking bloke :angel:
:yeah_what_she_said: but I'm also out of my depth. Going by Mark's criteria it would be a Colonial Coin assuming it is one of the myriad of coins circulating at the time.
Just going back to what Mark said about a large load of copper pennies from England.
I found a reference but it is before the year 1813 that Mark said.
...." in late 1800 The Porpoise arrived in Sydney Cove with almost 4 tons (550 pounds worth) of 1 ounce Cartwheel pennies struck by Matthew Boulton".
Taken from www.australianstamp.com/coin-web/aust/earlyas/proclmtn.htm
I know we desperately needed coin but perhaps the old Cartwheels were good ballast for the ships coming out here ? :blink:
Quote from: 'black sheep' pid='22758' dateline='1374660919'Just going back to what Mark said about a large load of copper pennies from England.
I found a reference but it is before the year 1813 that Mark said.
...." in late 1800 The Porpoise arrived in Sydney Cove with almost 4 tons (550 pounds worth) of 1 ounce Cartwheel pennies struck by Matthew Boulton".
Taken from www.australianstamp.com/coin-web/aust/earlyas/proclmtn.htm
I know we desperately needed coin but perhaps the old Cartwheels were good ballast for the ships coming out here ? :blink:
I think the poor old public servants ended up with them:
The matter being referred to the Committee (of the Privy Council) on Trade and Plantations, £550 worth of pence was taken from a shipment intended for the Cape of Good Hope, and a promise given of £350 worth of halfpennies and £300 worth of farthings as soon as they could be coined.
The pennies were forwarded to Hunter by the Porpoise with instructions to use them for public service payments and to "frame a suitable ordinance" to prevent their export. The £350 worth of halfpennies and £300 worth of farthings arrived over a year later in the Royal Admiral making a total of £1,200 worth of coin (face value). King took the opportunity to proclaim local values "for all the specie legally circulating in this colony . . . at which they shall be considered and be a legal tender in all payments or transactions in this colony". The copper coins were to circulate at twice their face value, and the export or import of more than five pounds of them (whether face or nominal value is not stated) was prohibited under penalty of forfeiture of the amount imported or exported and a fine of three times the amount.It appears that it was the arrival of these copper coins that caused King to pass his proclamation. Perhaps that is why the halfpenny and farthing do not appear in the proclamation. They had not "officially" arrived in the colony at the time as King was waiting for them to be minted and shipped.
Probably would have made good ballast as well.
I find proclamation/Colonial coins fascinating simply because anything round and made of an intrinsic metal had real worth regardless of where they were made.:good:
Unlike todays currency that has NO intrinsic value and the paper money is based on a Fiat trust:angel:
This one weighs in at 18.8g, quite a heavy penny.
Colonial ?
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1853.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1853a.jpg)
have you got any of the Boulton press 1799 penny or halfpenny Trout?
I think they are in the proclamation series
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='25171' dateline='1376640410'have you got any of the Boulton press 1799 penny or halfpenny Trout?
I think they are in the proclamation series
I have a few old penny's somewhere , I just can't remember where I put the bloody things :dash1:
ha ha
i'm like that with my decimals!!!
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='25174' dateline='1376641772'ha ha
i'm like that with my decimals!!!
One of these days I am going to empty out all the filing cabinets, draws, cupboards and packing boxes and do a good sort out :ok:
Yeah Yeah , I have being saying that for years:angel:
me too
I start
and then I start enjoying going through all my junk
and just put it back
although, I have been re-organising things a bit better the last few months
but the odds and sods are the tougher ones to organise
Quote from: 'markn' pid='22496' dateline='1374474142'Here's a direct quote from the Hobart Town Courier, 27 June 1829.
Did any of those 'dollars from the mint at Mexico' ever arrive?
(http://users.tpg.com.au/r9453//Hobart.Town.Courier.png)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='25551' dateline='1376966413'Did any of those 'dollars from the mint at Mexico' ever arrive?
Dunno. But the coins of inferior value are still among us. I get a couple out of every sack, and they're all worth less that what they purport to be. :(
And the forgers are still at it too. Local rag had a piece on the fake $100's doing the rounds. Lots of unhappy victims caught out by them.
Just picked these up to add to my Proc set :)
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/151176881848?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_489wt_1018
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/111227698131?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_489wt_1018
I didn't know that these are proclamation coins?
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='36103' dateline='1386071008'I didn't know that these are proclamation coins?
I'll let Mark decide, He has done a Tone of work in this field :ok:
They do look like the other ones I have so it was worth a few quit to get them IMHO :angel:
I'd call the duit a colonial coin. A fraction of a true Proclamation coin. I guess the quarter Stuiver could be a colonial coin but it's a bit late for my liking. Still, they might have been used in Tassie where colonial coins were used longer than elsewhere in Australia. The 1839 2 cents I wouldn't regard as a colonial coin.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='36128' dateline='1386112000'I'd call the duit a colonial coin. A fraction of a true Proclamation coin. I guess the quarter Stuiver could be a colonial coin but it's a bit late for my liking. Still, they might have been used in Tassie where colonial coins were used longer than elsewhere in Australia. The 1839 2 cents I wouldn't regard as a colonial coin.
Thanks Mark :good:
They are still interesting coins anyway :angel:
I'm still waiting on PCGS to grade your Ducat, it has been 26 working days so far :dash1:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='36129' dateline='1386112425'They are still interesting coins anyway :angel:
I'm still waiting on PCGS to grade your Ducat, it has been 26 working days so far :dash1:
It's your ducat.
yeah
I was thinking that too
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='36178' dateline='1386149121'yeah
I was thinking that too
OK, No worries , It is just hard to get my head around owning such an exceptional coin :ok:
it's sweet anyways
It needs a friend. (http://www.thepurplepenny.com/1035,proclamation-coin-netherlands-utrecht-1649-gold-ducat-ngc-au55-gef-km-7.2.html)
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='36228' dateline='1386199440'It needs a friend. (http://www.thepurplepenny.com/1035,proclamation-coin-netherlands-utrecht-1649-gold-ducat-ngc-au55-gef-km-7.2.html)
Or a cousin (http://www.thepurplepenny.com/925,proclamation-coin-netherlands-gelderland-1763-gulden-guilder-ngc-ms65-choice-uncirculated-km-100.1.html).
I can only afford to build a "type Set" and already have each of those.
Anyway I have promised the Missus a ride on mower for Christmas, So I had better buy that before anything else :dash1:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='36230' dateline='1386200610'I can only afford to build a "type Set" and already have each of those.
Anyway I have promised the Missus a ride on mower for Christmas, So I had better buy that before anything else :dash1:
Get her one of these ride on mowers
(http://www.public-republic.net/wp-content/angie%20riding%20goat.jpg)
And then buy the Guilder. You both win.
ha ha
I need a goat at our place at the moment with all the rain
My Missus already has an old goat hanging about the place :laugh2:
Gday trout
Your avatar Ducat looks good but is there is a bigger photo on here somewhere that I can drool over ? please
...been searching but not found it yet
cheers
Quote from: 'black sheep' pid='38500' dateline='1388456800'Gday trout
Your avatar Ducat looks good but is there is a bigger photo on here somewhere that I can drool over ? please
...been searching but not found it yet
cheers
Here ya go Mate :)
http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=150877&whichpage=2&SearchTerms=proclomation,coins
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/1jan012_zps38fa7523.jpg)
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/1jan013_zps30b11591.jpg)
Is this quarter rupee a proclamation coin ?
Any idea of its value if so thanks.
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='38554' dateline='1388503043'Is this quarter rupee a proclamation coin ?
Any idea of its value if so thanks.
They are often considered proclamation coins but they are not mentioned in Andrew Crellin's book. I have a couple and they are certainly worth collecting. Not sure about value but they don't seem to be as common as the full rupee.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='38501' dateline='1388457363'Quote from: 'black sheep' pid='38500' dateline='1388456800'Gday trout
Your avatar Ducat looks good but is there is a bigger photo on here somewhere that I can drool over ? please
...been searching but not found it yet
cheers
Here ya go Mate :)
http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=150877&whichpage=2&SearchTerms=proclomation,coins
Man...that is an awesome coin, congratulations mate :winkextra:
Quote from: 'echidna' pid='38554' dateline='1388503043'Is this quarter rupee a proclamation coin ?
Any idea of its value if so thanks.
I'd call it a "colonial coin" because it's a well known fraction of a proclamation coin. But if you called it a proclamation coin I wouldn't have any problem with that either.
Received this one in the post yesterday from last weekends IAG sale. It's a 1778 Eight Reale with what looks like evidence of die clash to the left of the Monarchs head, a pillar and ribbon, also above Monarchs head, outline of top of crown. Very appropriate the last one :grin: Didn't they use screw presses back in the day? I find it remarkable that someone could forget to load a planchet and still manage to go through the slow process of winding the thing without noticing, and then proceed to impart enough pressure to damage the dies. But I love it:biggrin:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/1778_Eight_Reales_die_clash_28640x48029.jpg)
I sent my 1762 3d away to be graded by NGC, They have listed it as a 62/63 over date would this be correct?
cool die clash
don't know about old'e overdates trout
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='46868' dateline='1397877880'cool die clash
don't know about old'e overdates trout
Me neither, the "2" does look a bit weird on the coin tho.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1762~0.jpg)
ah now I know what to look for, ill google some info...
http://www.historyincoins.com/yyy-17-4-11-5.jpg
1762 George III Silver Threepence. Possible unrecorded overdate
same person here
http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=142759
haha >> http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=153783
An interesting article by Andrew Crellin in the 2005 JNAA - What is a Proclamation Coin? (http://www.numismatics.org.au/pdfjournal/Vol17/Vol%2017%20Article%208.pdf)
Unbelievable, I finally secure a star Pagoda then I read this on the PP site, The quest has just expanded :dash1:
QuoteAs to whether you should obtain a star pagoda or the three figure coin I'd probably suggest the star pagoda. These are the coins pictured in the Australian coin catalogue 'McDonalds' and were probably more commonly available. However, the three figure pagodas are larger and have more design elements and I find them more attractive. Of course, finances permitting, I'd probably suggest getting both varieties!
Here is a pic from the PP blog site, Quite an attractive coin IMHO :good:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/india-1740-1807-3-figure-pagoda.jpg)
When I first looked at these Proclamation/Colonial coins I assumed it would be a relatively easy set to get thinking that there was only barely a handful of different coins to collect to make the set complete.
Boy O Boy was I wrong with that assumption , The more I look into these coins the more I find that are worthy of adding to the collection.
The thing I find fascinating about these coin types is their diversity of design and Origin , There is quite an array of Copper, Silver and gold coins From Many parts of the World that were used as currency in the early days of Australia's History.
I am having a lot of fun and enjoying learning about these coins and slowly building a small collection.
nothing like a New Quest to get the Numismatic Juices flowing again :good:
Did u know there is a PCGS set registry for proclamation coins?
http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/composite.aspx?c=5283
Yet another different Pagoda will end up in my collection, Thanks to the understanding and help from PP and Markn :yahoo:
I Love these Guys :heart:
http://www.thepurplepenny.com/1439,proclamation-coin-india-mysore-pagoda-nd-1761-82-about-extremely-fine-aef-km-15.html
This one was waiting at A.P. when we returned home the other day. The grade is average but just love the counter stamp, and coupled with a Madrid Mint example, so had to have it. :yahoo: I'm absolutely no authority on this, but has something to do with Sultan of Soumanep / Madura Star. Madura is/was an island off Java back when Indonesia was known as Batavia.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/IMG_2682.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/IMG_2683.JPG)
Nice honest coin, Well done mate :good:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='63698' dateline='1418557917'Nice honest coin, Well done mate :good:
I love the proclamation series, so many examples that ooze history.
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='63701' dateline='1418558704'Quote from: 'trout' pid='63698' dateline='1418557917'Nice honest coin, Well done mate :good:
I love the proclamation series, so many examples that ooze history.
Agree about the proclamation series, and that 8 reales is a lovely variation. Surely could have been used in Australia....
Quote from: 'Nightparrot' pid='63704' dateline='1418559623'Agree about the proclamation series, and that 8 reales is a lovely variation. Surely could have been used in Australia....
Yes, it would be nice to think it did circulate in the area or even in Australia. I did some research and apparently many fake counterstamps abound, but this one designated as S1c is possibly genuine as per link below.
http://www.theresia.name/en/scm_sumenep.html
Both of these coins are listed as;
India-Mysore Pagoda ND 1761-82 Uncirculated KM #15
The reverses are pretty similar but the Obverses (At least I think it is the obverse) are quite different.
They both came from the Mysore Mint but they are different , Can anyone shed some light on these for me?
Are they a different year or ruler ?
Here are the images on PP's website.
Tip,
You have to turn one of the images upside down to notice the difference :)
http://www.thepurplepenny.com/1405,proclamation-coin-india-mysore-pagoda-nd-1761-82-pcgs-ms62-uncirculated-km-15.html
http://www.thepurplepenny.com/1439,proclamation-coin-india-mysore-pagoda-nd-1761-82-about-extremely-fine-aef-km-15.html
Here we go I flipped one of the images over :ok:
These are PP's images so I hope I don't get into strife posting them here :angel:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/proclamation-coin-india-mysore-pagoda-nd-1761-82-pcgs-ms62-uncirculated-km-155B15D.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/proclamation-coin-india-mysore-pagoda-nd-1761-82-about-extremely-fine-aef-km-155B15D.jpg)
No worries trout, it's your coin so use the images. We have no coins left in our proclamation section on the website because you bought them all!!!!!!!!
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='63905' dateline='1419028716'No worries trout, it's your coin so use the images. We have no coins left in our proclamation section on the website because you bought them all!!!!!!!!
Not Quite , I missed out on quite a few of them :cray:
The second pagoda is a variety of the first
Link : http://coinindia.com/galleries-haidarali.html
Thanks Rob :dance::yahoo:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='55219' dateline='1406031737'Here is a pic from the PP blog site, Quite an attractive coin IMHO :good:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/india-1740-1807-3-figure-pagoda.jpg)
That three swami is a lovely pellet, you must be thrilled to have it. Good stuff.
That is not one of Mine
I think they're very odd looking but look nicer than half the designs the mint is producing, but how do you find errors on them with so much rough surface..once I finish/if I ever finish my predecimal proof sets I might get a kabota ;) So how do you tell the obverse from the reverse? I really like the coin auto put above and really like the left hand pic for some reason unknown to me just yet but just know I like it, maybe it's just the pretty patterns :blush2:
I picked up the Mail yesterday and this was sent to Me by RG :heart:
I love these older coins, Thank you SOOOOO Much Robbie :)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/proc1~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/proc~1.jpg)
Mr Trout,
What denomination is that coin ?
It comes up on my screen as Silver.
Quote from: 'Fordprefect' pid='64665' dateline='1420071891'Mr Trout,
What denomination is that coin ?
It comes up on my screen as Silver.
Its a Half penny
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/proc3~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/proc2~0.jpg)
standby
am in the process of getting some proc. coins, hope the deal comes off
and if so i just might at a very slow rate show them off..:diablo:
no star pagoda tho..:fie:
the halfpenny is darker in the hand
I think the blue background makes it look a light lighter v
got that from pacific rim coins (a few years ago) at a show
xx
yeh .. i know you have been waiting for these :angel:
did a deal so i will start off with this ....
(http://i57.tinypic.com/33waxs9.jpg)(http://i60.tinypic.com/2z6uqh1.jpg)
ms63bn
taken with iPhone ( 1 day will have decent camera set up !!)
That is very nice duggee. I'm guessing a penny? Way better than mine
dibs the cartwheel :heart:
Nice coin duggee. What did it grade at?
Quote from: 'oh my florin' pid='65017' dateline='1420677722'Nice coin duggee. What did it grade at?
omf
ms63bn. there are 29 higher graded browns about (only 2 reds) it will do me... for now
these pennies actually weighed 1 ounce each !! fancy having a pocketful of these ... you would need braces to hold your duds up !!:laugh2:
Quote from: 'duggee27' pid='65026' dateline='1420692223'fancy having a pocketful of these ... you would need braces to hold your duds up !!:laugh2:
Back in those days the men wore braces. :angel:
the proclamation of 1800 deemed these cartwheel pennies as worth twice their face value i.e. 'tuppence ' .. took much info ?? :angel:
beautiful coin
I think they are lovely in the high grades
years ago I bought myself an unc 1799 (I think) one from the states then stupidly gave it to the hubby as a Christmas present
he loves it of course
they get specialised varieties with the numbers of olive leaves some aspects of the ship as well
Leaves my Cartwheel for dead.......I'll swap!
Oh My, What a stunning Cartwheel duggee27 :drooling:
Congratulations on this acquisition :good:
A few coins that will be appearing on The Purple Penny website at some stage.
1787 Shilling with hearts
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/great-britain-1787-1s-hearts.jpg)
1719-1748 Muhammad Shah AR Rupee with interesting test marks
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/india-1719-1748-rupee-km436_6.jpg)
1748 Holland Gulden NGC MS65
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/netherlands-holland-1748-gulden-ngc-ms65.jpg)
1793 West Friesland Gulden NGC MS65
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/netherlands-west-friesland-1794-gulden-ngc-ms65.jpg)
gee markn nice set .. i will keep an eye oout for the shilling ;)
but meanwhile..
(http://i61.tinypic.com/335418x.jpg)(http://i61.tinypic.com/11lh6p0.jpg)
taken with iPhone ... think am getting better at it, this time the natural light worked better, still focussing through the slab is an issue :(
ok ... will up the ante this week
(http://i59.tinypic.com/cuw9.jpg)(http://i58.tinypic.com/2ivz9xu.jpg)
1798 gold (spade) guinea pcgs ms62 :D
very very Nice Mate :drooling:
One of these are on my "Hit List"
If you don't mind me asking how much did that set you back, It is about a $3,000 coin ?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='65779' dateline='1422000618'very very Nice Mate :drooling:
One of these are on my "Hit List"
If you don't mind me asking how much did that set you back, It is about a $3,000 coin ?
got it for less , and happy about it
pm sent
Waiting patiently for the next Stunner to be posted :yahoo:
My first post! I was going to have a proper introduction but when I saw this thread which is on my new passion I thought here was as good as any. I started stacking silver bullion but I kept finding myself drawn towards historical gold and silver, particularly old australian sovereigns but the logical antecedent to that is proclamation coins. I would really like a 6400 reis and 3 reis coin pair. I think they would make a very interesting little set, hard to imagine going into a store or dealing with a merchant with a single gold coin and changing it for over two thousand small copper coins.
There are some great coins in this thread. I always thought if I started collecting coins I would end up collecting byzantine and classical Greek coins but the more I see these old proclamation coins the more in coming around to them.
Anyhow I thought I would show off a few of my very limited set of proclamation coins, all Carolus IIII pillar dollars. There's a few nice ones in there.
(http://i.imgur.com/k4LXNtQ.jpeg)
(http://i.imgur.com/v5X37UH.jpeg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ryOfqJC.jpeg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Fv4CQzC.jpeg)
(http://i.imgur.com/zhO2DwZ.jpeg)
(http://i.imgur.com/i424oaK.jpeg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QaxzKyU.jpeg)
(http://i.imgur.com/eRlTlXH.jpeg)
(http://i.imgur.com/K2cbFoa.jpeg)
(http://i.imgur.com/6zK3yfw.jpeg)
Gidday phrenzy and welcome.
I agree with you about the proclamation and colonial coins, they are great to collect, so much history.....
Welcome to the phorum phrenzy, you and I have been having an Adelaide Ingot discussion over on SilverStackers :) Good to see you on-board here!
:welcome: phrenzy
those coins have tales to tell
:welcome: to the forum Phrenzy. Nice coins & photos.
Welcome to the forum phrenzy.
Good first post,keep it up.
Note :-
All your posted images are "Bust Dollars" not "Pillar Dollars"
Very nice coins
Thanks everyone for the kind welcome. FP: I knew they weren't the classic pillar dollars with the two hemispheres between the pillars but I wouldn't have known to call them bust dollars, it's good know.
I'm thinking about having one or two of the better ones graded since I'm sending off a couple type 2 sovereigns anyway but I'm not so sure that any of them are worth it. The pictures seem to highlight every little problem and I think they look good to the eye but if they were yours would you bother with even the best one or two pictured?
I saw a real holey dollar at monetarium the other day, I don't think I'll ever own one but it's a real thrill to see history so solidified in one place.
Are there good records of which gold and silver coins were most common in this period? Would one or two of each have been the most common or would it be a real pick and mix with people just trading on the bullion value of whatever they had to hand? I was genuinely surprised when I first saw Indian coins mentioned as being used but were they as common as British or Spanish coins?
QuoteAre there good records of which gold and silver coins were most common in this period? Would one or two of each have been the most common or would it be a real pick and mix with people just trading on the bullion value of whatever they had to hand? I was genuinely surprised when I first saw Indian coins mentioned as being used but were they as common as British or Spanish coins?
:welcome:
to the forum
Not much is written about Proclamation/Colonial coinage that I can find But I heard that Markin did a lot of work with these coin types.
I am also an avid collector of these types of coins and do truly enjoy the learning curve associated with collecting these.
Great coins and an awesome first post, Well done Mate
Quote from: 'phrenzy' pid='66395' dateline='1422793537'I'm thinking about having one or two of the better ones graded since I'm sending off a couple type 2 sovereigns anyway but I'm not so sure that any of them are worth it. The pictures seem to highlight every little problem and I think they look good to the eye but if they were yours would you bother with even the best one or two pictured?
I wouldn't send any of them. They are beautiful but all apart from the first one have some sort of corrosion or surface adhesions. Perhaps the are shipwreck coins, or perhaps sometime in the last 250 years they weren't stored well. The first one looks cleaned. In any event, I don't think they'd grade at NGC or PCGS.
Quote from: 'phrenzy' pid='66395' dateline='1422793537'Are there good records of which gold and silver coins were most common in this period? Would one or two of each have been the most common or would it be a real pick and mix with people just trading on the bullion value of whatever they had to hand? I was genuinely surprised when I first saw Indian coins mentioned as being used but were they as common as British or Spanish coins?
No good records, and further research needs to be carried out. Andrew Crellin has a good article on his site and I found this quote on Trove a few years back. It's from The Hobart Town Courier, 27 June 1829:
Quotein addition a caution is necessary as to the various sil-
ver coins now in circulation amongst us. Besides
the Spanish dollars, half dollars and quarters, there
is a variety of other French, South American and
German coins, nearly of the some size, but generally
of inferior value which are apt to be passed for the
same. We are happy to learn that a new and elegant
coinage of dollars is now issuing from the mint at
Mexico, which will speedily find their way hither.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4215884?searchTerm=%22german%20coin%22&searchLimits=l-state=Tasmania|||sortby=dateAsc
:welcome: to the forum phrenzy! :yahoo:
Thanks again for the warm welcome everybody.
Regarding the popularity of coins used at the time do you think you could get results from looking at bookkeeping records or would contemporary records be non specific which accrual coins were used and only record gold and sliver weights?
Another question: does proclamation coinage cover anything in circulation up to the time of the Adelaide pound or type 1 Sydney sovereign, or would it normally stop at the introduction of British coins introduced for common circulation ?
this weeks showing
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2yo7hcp.jpg)(http://i60.tinypic.com/16hox85.jpg)
1793 Gulden neth. utrecht pcgs ms64 :)
Some top class coins you've been posting Duggee!
(5 numbers and the Powerball?)
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='66588' dateline='1423215339'Some top class coins you've been posting Duggee!
(5 numbers and the Powerball?)
yeah .. close enough
better than putting in the bank and getting zilch interest but in these heaps of enjoyment :blush:
and there is more to come :dance2::D
Quote from: 'duggee27' pid='66599' dateline='1423221194'Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='66588' dateline='1423215339'Some top class coins you've been posting Duggee!
(5 numbers and the Powerball?)
yeah .. close enough
better than putting in the bank and getting zilch interest but in these heaps of enjoyment :blush:
and there is more to come :dance2::D
I am loving the images of what I should have instead of what I have got.
Awesome coins mate, Good on you :yahoo:
Looking forward to the next Instalment, Well done:wavemulticolor:
Nice toning and design, thanks for sharing.!
this is my "bust" dollar type
hard to get in high grades
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2v996wp.jpg)(http://i61.tinypic.com/15ovx1z.jpg)
funny, I have always called them pillar dollars
darn nice and hard to get without being ripped off with fakes
my husband has a great book on the reales - cost a bomb but worth the investment if you collect them
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='66939' dateline='1423812161'funny, I have always called them pillar dollars
darn nice and hard to get without being ripped off with fakes
my husband has a great book on the reales - cost a bomb but worth the investment if you collect them
now this is a pillar dollar
Silver 8 real coin of Philip V of Spain, 1739
Reverse
VTRAQVE VNUM M[EXICO] 1739
"Both (are) one, Mexico [City Mint], 1739"
Displays two hemispheres of a world map, crowned between the Pillars of Hercules adorned with the PLVS VLTR[A] motto. Obverse
PHILIP[PUS] V D[EI] G[RATIA] HISPAN[IARUM] ET IND[IARUM] REX
"Philip V, by the Grace of God, King of the Spains and the Indies"
Displays the arms of Castile and León with Granada in base and an inescutcheon of Anjou.
bugga the photos did not copy but check out maccas 21st edition page 36
duggee - this is the book that my hubby has as a reference book
he also called your coin a portrait /bust dollar
the book calls them 'bustos'
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/P2130012.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/P2130013.JPG)
RG
great book and a great reference if i chose to get into this type but a heavy read for me with all that spanish in there :angel:
but i like 'busts' :blush2: sorry 'bustos' ( damn predictive text !!) as a coin type description
am on the search for a 'pillar' for my set tho ...
have fun with your search
we went to quite a few auctions chasing them and fortunately then the hubby found an overseas mentor who taught him ways to detect the fakes and also put him onto some good reliable sellers and as well, sold some of his own coins to us.
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2j5l40g.jpg)(http://i57.tinypic.com/2ir12d2.jpg)
AH1202/19 mohur bengal presidency ms64 :D
Wow, very nice!
Unbloodybelievable , and I mean that in a good way.
I may have just shorted out my keyboard with :drooling:
Beautiful Piece :yahoo:
I'm on board, very nice indeed duggee :good:
You have to tell us what this graded at, I recon MS63 min ?
Still :drooling: :)
beautiful
you can't beat gold for numismatic beauty
Super coin.!:ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='67741' dateline='1425032189'You have to tell us what this graded at, I recon MS63 min ?
Still :drooling: :)
oh dear dear trout
if you stopped :drooling: and read the note below the pics ... ms64 !!
:laughingneqw:
how you gunna be a pro if you miss the details ..:D
i luv this coin and gold tis good
lately have seen a mohur proof .. now thats a stunning coin !!
Quote from: 'duggee27' pid='67760' dateline='1425039204'Quote from: 'trout' pid='67741' dateline='1425032189'You have to tell us what this graded at, I recon MS63 min ?
Still :drooling: :)
oh dear dear trout
if you stopped :drooling: and read the note below the pics ... ms64 !!
:laughingneqw:
how you gunna be a pro if you miss the details ..:D
i luv this coin and gold tis good
lately have seen a mohur proof .. now thats a stunning coin !!
FAR too busy looking at the coin to read the text Mate :ok:
ok.. i have been holding back with this one
agh my precious :grin::D
(http://i62.tinypic.com/2z65x6a.jpg)(http://i57.tinypic.com/2582lp1.jpg)
it is rotated a bit , even in the slab - is this poor workmanship by pcgs or do they move in the slab ?
also this coin is not accepted by pcgs registry set :( bugger , even tho the 1800 proclamation says " a half-johanna" ...
might have to write to pcgs and change their minds .
Send it to me so I can suss it out and tell you if it moves in the slab, I'll watch it for days and days just to make sure, now that's a beautiful coin duggee and thank you so very much for sharing :drooling:
Oh and I know you hold out on me :winkextra: :laugh2:
OH my what an absolute Stunner :drooling:
I have a Shitty day one of the guys failed his drug test and i have to spend the night in Perth to put his sorry arse on a plane home instead of having a good night at the boozer before starting night shift tomorrow night.
Just looking at that beautiful coin has eased my pain imensly :yahoo:
If you have an electric toothbrush the place it against the slab (not the brush bit) and the coin will move in the slab. You can then rotate it slowly.
seriously?
that is funny Serial!!!
I got a couple of rotated slabs - might try it
aj
your so funny , i've got tears in my eyes just laughing ... what a guy you are , willing to do that .
next time i visit i will have it with me , maybe i should use some back roads and it might bounce back to right rotation :angel::D
:) my pleasure mate so my job here is done :friends: Mate you don't have to take the back roads just take the bloody highway as it's as rough as guts :winkextra: hopefully they have a bit more done by the time you come up :good: and still know where my pagoda is..for now :blush2:
I picked these up for a grand total of $37.50 including postage.
They have honest circulation wear, Nice original Proclamation coins.
Just goes to show that you don't have to be a millionaire to get hold of some proc coins :good:
Mughal Aurangzeb Silver Rupee AH108x/xx
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/proc2~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/proc3~1.jpg)
India Mughal Empire Lakhnau Silver Rupee AH1119//(1) Ahad
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/proc~2.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/proc4~0.jpg)
Here's one my mum picked up when she worked in a bank in England in the 60s. It came from gas meters where people had coin operated gas at home. People got desperate for heat in the English winters.
It was only when mum got some of her old coins out I realised it was a proclamation coin.
I love this coin, it has a great look and I like the angular reeding these coins have.
To me this looks in pretty good nick.
Reverse
it's a beauty!!
Lucky. Looks like a nice looking coin.
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='73783' dateline='1433329248'it's a beauty!!
+1 :yeah_what_she_said: It's lovely. :yahoo:
Yes a nice coin alrighty :good:
wrong thread sorry :blush:
Why wrong thread? It's a proclamation coin?
Quote from: 'SirDave' pid='73853' dateline='1433407528'Why wrong thread? It's a proclamation coin?
The coin is dated 1835, not a proc coin as far as I know.
At a huge stretch it may be colonial , but I doubt it :ok:
it's dated 1758
the Great Britain silver shilling is listed in maccas
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='73858' dateline='1433409109'it's dated 1758
the Great Britain silver shilling is listed in maccas
I think SirDave was referring to a 1835 1 pie coin I put in this thread by mistake earlier :ok:
oh
I was referring to the shilling which looks to be a damn fine shilling
didn't see a pie coin
speaking of pies, just had left over spinach pie for dinner .. very nice .. made it for the hubby's birthday the other night ... off topic?
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='73862' dateline='1433410191'oh
I was referring to the shilling which looks to be a damn fine shilling
didn't see a pie coin
speaking of pies, just had left over spinach pie for dinner .. very nice .. made it for the hubby's birthday the other night ... off topic?
Gawd I hate Spinach yuk :)
Give me a steak and kidney pie anyday :yahoo:
Yes it is a nice shilling and also most definitely a proc coin :good:
Sorry, Trout, I did think you were referring to my mums shilling. I must have missed the 1835 one. I thought maybe my english gas meter provenance might have excluded it!
Quote from: 'SirDave' pid='73864' dateline='1433411160'Sorry, Trout, I did think you were referring to my mums shilling. I must have missed the 1835 one. I thought maybe my english gas meter provenance might have excluded it!
Not a chance Mate, nice shilling :yahoo:
here is my 2nd - just have to crossover for my registry set
(http://i61.tinypic.com/34pdykj.jpg)(http://i57.tinypic.com/2m65ok3.jpg)
jose 1 6400reis / peca/ 4 escudo / half johanna - 1775L
obverse is fully lustrous and some small areas on reverse a tad duller,result of rusty dies
the coin shows adjustment marks, minting staff adhered to weight tolerances hence the light file marks, a regular trait.
What a corker :yahoo:
:wavemulticolor:
WOW, make sure you bring that with you next time, beautiful coin duggee :drooling:
thanks aj and trout
you 2 have the pagodas :dodgy::P:(
and i want one so i shall seek far and wide , just be patient i say
Quote from: 'duggee27' pid='73951' dateline='1433492554'thanks aj and trout
you 2 have the pagodas :dodgy::P:(
and i want one so i shall seek far and wide , just be patient i say
I have 3 so I won't mind parting with one so that you can build your set :ok:
Yes I have three now but want more, more MORE :yahoo: You could always call in and try and sweet talk me :blush2: But yes they aren't very common really and the one's on feebay are a fortune so maybe I should get mine slabbed :scratch_one-s_head: Anyone sees any around please let me know as I might be interested :winkextra:
These three were home from the bank a couple of weeks ago and I took pictures of them while they were visiting.
Pagoda - Western Gangas 1200-1400AD
(http://www.mycoinalog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/india-western-gangas-elephant-pagoda-c030903.jpg)
Pagoda - Mysore 1799-1806
(http://www.mycoinalog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/india-mysore-1799-1806-pagoda-c040917.jpg)
Pagoda - Madras 1740-1808
(http://www.mycoinalog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/india-madras-1740-1808-pagoda-c120801.jpg)
That Elephant one looks nice :good:
What are the dates for these coins Mark?
BEAUTIFUL :drooling: I got the second and third in brissie but I don't have the elephant so let me know if you ever want to get rid of them as doubles would be nice as well :) I really like how they are the same but then slightly different if you really look at them because the one you have on the bottom has bigger noses on the people than mine does.
(http://i58.tinypic.com/oaoxfc.jpg)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/j5clll.jpg)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='73960' dateline='1433495456'That Elephant one looks nice :good:
What are the dates for these coins Mark?
Sorry, post edited to include states and dates.
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='73961' dateline='1433495506'BEAUTIFUL :drooling: I got the second and third in brissie but I don't have the elephant so let me know if you ever want to get rid of them as doubles would be nice as well :) I really like how they are the same but then slightly different if you really look at them because the one you have on the bottom has bigger noses on the people than mine does.
Nice. I like yours better than mine. I think the centre figure of my three figure pagoda looks like Rose off of Masterchef.
(https://networkten-a.akamaihd.net/new/2199827728001/201504/528/2199827728001_4198344780001_MC-Rose-1024x576.jpg?pubId=2199827728001)
Thanks Mate :good:
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
Quote from: 'duggee27' pid='73923' dateline='1433479326'here is my 2nd - just have to crossover for my registry set
(http://i61.tinypic.com/34pdykj.jpg)(http://i57.tinypic.com/2m65ok3.jpg)
jose 1 6400reis / peca/ 4 escudo / half johanna - 1775L
obverse is fully lustrous and some small areas on reverse a tad duller,result of rusty dies
the coin shows adjustment marks, minting staff adhered to weight tolerances hence the light file marks, a regular trait.
now there is something about those lines across both sides
weren't they some sort of shaving to keep the weight/s right?
Quote from: 'duggee27' pid='73923' dateline='1433479326'the coin shows adjustment marks, minting staff adhered to weight tolerances hence the light file marks, a regular trait.
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='74003' dateline='1433567449'now there is something about those lines across both sides weren't they some sort of shaving to keep the weight/s right?
You missed part of Duggee's post RG. :winkextra:
these pagodas are brilliant, no wonder i want some (i was wanting 1 only now its some !! ):D
trout : will send pm
Quote from: 'duggee27' pid='74006' dateline='1433570078'these pagodas are brilliant, no wonder i want some (i was wanting 1 only now its some !! ):D
trout : will send pm
All is good Mate, I will "suss" it in the morning :ok:
Here She is "in the flesh" so to speak.
About the same size as a round 50 cents :)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/Half_jo.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/Half_jo1.jpg)
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='74004' dateline='1433569539'Quote from: 'duggee27' pid='73923' dateline='1433479326'the coin shows adjustment marks, minting staff adhered to weight tolerances hence the light file marks, a regular trait.
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='74003' dateline='1433567449'now there is something about those lines across both sides weren't they some sort of shaving to keep the weight/s right?
You missed part of Duggee's post RG. :winkextra:
oh ta
yep I did!! fanks
Quote from: 'trout' pid='74133' dateline='1433818841'Here She is "in the flesh" so to speak.
About the same size as a round 50 cents :)
niiice ..
even tho our coins are different years and mints only subtle differences in design mainly on reverse
All my other proc gold coins are either very small or minted on real skinny metal.
This one is a nice big coin with some heft to it :good:
Just found this one on feebay and now wondering if I should get mine graded that I posted on page 19. And again it's slightly different to both mine and Marks but out of my price rang.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/India-Madras-Presidency-1740-1807-Gold-Pagoda-PCGS-AU55-/381692325646?hash=item58dea2af0e:g:KkEAAOSwbYZXeyce
And should I get this one graded and how does it cost to get them graded :huh:
(http://i64.tinypic.com/akbdix.jpg)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2zdw1ns.jpg)
Here's a smaller image if it helps.
(http://i67.tinypic.com/fc2vko.jpg)
(http://i66.tinypic.com/fkme5w.jpg)
That coin would cost nearly $100 to put in a slab at PCGS. It would be quite a bit cheaper at NGC and there's some who think that world coins like that do better in NGC plastic anyway. Oh and I wouldn't pay what that seller wants for that coin.
Thanks Mark, appreciate your answer mate. So why do they say that about NGC do they use a different type of plastic? and do you know why, is it because it's thinner than PCGS, very interesting that you say that as I've never heard it mentioned before but then there's a lot I haven't heard before.
I'd have to have a good think about this because $100 is a bit to have it graded even though it would be nice and protects the coin and no I would pay that for the feebay pagoda either, way out of my price rang.
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='92359' dateline='1468211790'Thanks Mark, appreciate your answer mate. So why do they say that about NGC do they use a different type of plastic? and do you know why, is it because it's thinner than PCGS, very interesting that you say that as I've never heard it mentioned before but then there's a lot I haven't heard before.
Sorry no idea about who uses what. I suspect if you treat a slab properly either company's holder would protect your coin perfectly well.
No worries, thanks mate :good:
well, i have been very quiet lately but have been waiting on this coins' grading and finally the wait is over.
bit miffed at its au55... au58would have been nicer;):grin:
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2i78iu0.png)
and added it to my registry set and jumped to 2nd position :yahoo: but mr. 'eureka' has been adding also and is way ahead so the chase is on :dance2:
Very nice example Duggee :good:
lovely
looks 58 to me too
Lovely coin Duggee! :good:
What a Nice addition to your set Mate, Well done :good: