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Numismatic Discussion => Coin Chit Chat => Topic started by: trout on February 12, 2013, 04:35:09 PM

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Question: How do you store your collections?
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Title: PVC free albums
Post by: trout on February 12, 2013, 04:35:09 PM
How many of us are using PVC free 2x2 albums for our collections?
How many of us are using Dansco type albums?
How many of us are unsure of the PVC status of our coin storage systems?
I'm a nosey bugger ay :laugh2:
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: enworb on February 12, 2013, 05:59:09 PM
I use SAFLIPS which are PVC free but i store them in lighthouse pages which i suspect contain PVC. The pages get a pretty good workout so get replaced pretty often. I figure that the mylar of the SAFLIP is thick enough to be penetrated by PVC.
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: trout on February 12, 2013, 06:11:05 PM
Quote from: 'enworb' pid='8140' dateline='1360654149'I use SAFLIPS which are PVC free but i store them in lighthouse pages which i suspect contain PVC. The pages get a pretty good workout so get replaced pretty often. I figure that the mylar of the SAFLIP is thick enough to be penetrated by PVC.

If your saflips are not heat sealed the there is absolutely nothing to stop the PVC curse penetrating the gap at the top of the flip.
In the past I have used a smorgasbord of different coin storage systems and have damaged (inadvertently) a lot of really nice coins.
I now use non pvc pages in non pvc folders exclusively and have junked all my old pvc albums along with the dansco/Whitman push in and supreme units.
The push in jobbies were great with the mintage and mintmarks but by crikey they were awful hard on the coins.
The Supremes were a little better but not much.
There is a little bit of expense involved in using the proprietary storage systems but at the end of the day they WILL protect your coins and are a fantastic way of displaying your collection :good:
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: enworb on February 12, 2013, 06:30:06 PM
I really doubt the PVC would get in at the top and travel far enough in the reach the coin. I look at the coins so darn often i think i'll catch anything like that before it happens anyway.
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: Jaseee on February 12, 2013, 06:51:42 PM
I use SAFLIPS that i heat seal and put into a lighthouse mahogany box
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: trout on February 13, 2013, 06:24:07 AM
Quote from: 'Jaseee' pid='8145' dateline='1360657302'I use SAFLIPS that i heat seal and put into a lighthouse mahogany box

I recon when the saflip is sealed it is prety much bullet proof :good:
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: trout on February 13, 2013, 04:48:51 PM
I have just ordered 2 new PVC free  albums and pages from my favorite supplier :good:
I have also ordered another bunch of self adhiesive 2x2's , I know the saflips are a better option for archiving coins, But I like to use the 2x2's and write on them.
They also look a lot better in the albums than the saflips and I always store my albums flat.

I am waiting for summer to end so that I can have a bonfire and burn all my pvc stuff.
I have a few dansco and whitman albums if anyone of you mob want them ( You pay the freight) I have no further use for them and would be a waste just to burn them.

The albums are gone, matty way way to quick for you mob :laugh2: :dance2:
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: Mister T on February 14, 2013, 09:53:45 PM
I've made the PVC mistake before so I'm sure I'm using PVC-free stuff now.
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: robbiegal on April 27, 2013, 08:36:28 PM
well I have spent most of this week removing my coins from my numis albums - but I will say that they still looked quite ok and that is after very many years of storage in them
now they are in flips or little bags

anyways, I have a group of cute decimals that I obtained years ago in PVC albums
like most coins that I pick up in old pvc album pages, they are ruined
but I kept them for the colours
I took some snaps for examples of just what PVC does to your collection - the original owner put all the coins into th pvc coins pages immediately after the purchase of his decimal rolls and this is what most of the coins looked like after decades in the pvc pages

here goes
(http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv93/ROBBIEWITHLUV/error%20coins%20april%202013/P4260051_zps8fa46f67.jpg)(http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv93/ROBBIEWITHLUV/error%20coins%20april%202013/P4260052_zps13737c7a.jpg)
(http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv93/ROBBIEWITHLUV/error%20coins%20april%202013/P4260030_zps383e22fd.jpg)(http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv93/ROBBIEWITHLUV/error%20coins%20april%202013/P4260008_01_zpsee46fe2b.jpg)
(http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv93/ROBBIEWITHLUV/error%20coins%20april%202013/P4260031_zps66ab829d.jpg)(http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv93/ROBBIEWITHLUV/error%20coins%20april%202013/P4260046_zpse024a8b5.jpg)(http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv93/ROBBIEWITHLUV/error%20coins%20april%202013/P4260050_zps7f5f8282.jpg)(http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv93/ROBBIEWITHLUV/error%20coins%20april%202013/P4260049_zpsd1868d49.jpg)

hers the oldest of the lot
the rev of a 1966 two cents
the pvc has left it's mark on the high points of very nice coin
(http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv93/ROBBIEWITHLUV/error%20coins%20april%202013/P4260012_zpscf3185eb.jpg)(http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv93/ROBBIEWITHLUV/error%20coins%20april%202013/P4260059_zpsda9e5c7d.jpg)
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: ausjack on April 27, 2013, 08:57:45 PM
It doesn't take too long Robbie as some of mine weren't even 10 years :cray:
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: robbiegal on April 27, 2013, 09:14:45 PM
I have spent so much on coin storage jack

one day I was leaving the mint with my big bag of 6 coin PVC pages albums and the coin designer Wojciech Pietranik got chatting to me outside
he was horrified that I was buying soft coin pages to put my coins directly into them
he recommended just storing them all in a fabric lined box

so I just put my old pre-decs in the albums
then I bought the numis albums and spent a small fortune on the pages
and also bought 2x2's for coins BUT had them stored in soft plastic coin pages

then I learnt about PP and started to get the safeflips and a couple of pp albums and the storage pages

now I don't bother with staples and cardboard 2x2's although I think they present the coins nicely

I also use eagle mounts and don't have any issues with corrosion on the coins that have been in  them for quite some years now - though, the coins fall down and I reckon sometimes the mount scratches the coin
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: ausjack on April 27, 2013, 10:25:39 PM
I hear ya Robbie, mate do I hear ya..the joys of finding the 4's and against's out by your self is fun and cheap :(
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: trout on April 27, 2013, 10:38:18 PM
I burnt ALL my Numis albums a and gave away all my dansco push in jobbies.
these buggers cost me quite a few quid, But I feel so much better knowing my coins wont be damaged or infected with PVC.
My new option hasn't been cheap but I am more than happy with it .
:wavemulticolor:
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: ausjack on April 27, 2013, 10:41:54 PM
Good ole PP comes thru with the goods, might have to get some to try :good:
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: robbiegal on April 27, 2013, 11:09:15 PM
hey young jack

2 more posts and I'm a big 50 +0
I didn't know that

thanks!

I have noticed that my handle has me listed as a 'senior member'
at my age, well ..... nah it's not a compliment!! ha ha

yeah I shudder to think how money I've spent on coin storage
but I did have a load of flips and pages here so it has been easy enough to unpack the numis albums (ex bleeding fingers) and to pop most into the flips and slot them into the coin pages

in fact I just finished placing all of my coin albums in my coin book case and I think it all looks very orderly
next i'll hit the MYO's and all that other decimal stuff that I have dotted around the place in boxes, tins and so on!

for some who says she's not a decimal collector - well today has been a bit of an eye opener - packed away about 150 decimals from my numis albums and added them to my original decimal album - it was then too fat, so now I have 2 decimal albums

now I just need to get more non PVC albums ... it's never ending but a part of the fun, I think

I needed to do this big sorting job and am pleased that I've done it and with good advice from forum members basing their suggestions on their own experiences
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: ausjack on April 27, 2013, 11:43:01 PM
I needed to do this big sorting job and am pleased that I've done it and with good advice from forum members basing their suggestions on their own experiences

Yes, totally agree Robbie :good: but I still have heaps to workout :dash1:
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: Fulvio on April 28, 2013, 12:14:25 AM
I would have liked to have seen some different poll options.. oh well.. I dunno for sure sort of works I guess. :)

How I store things depends on what they are. If I've pulled them out of circulation and they're "bulk" coins, like say 3-1/2 claws, double bars, the more common cuds and cracks etc, then they go into coin bags, which are probably PVC I suspect. But they do get jammed in TIGHT. Like 50 or 60 coins per bag tight, with not a lot of air, and no gaps between coins. More important items go into 2x2's, then into PVC-free Ulta-Pro pages. I also keep 2x2's in slide carousels. But with milk crates full of errors and varieties, there's no way they're all going into expensive storage.

I keep meaning to do some proper research into the whole archival chemistry issue, but never seem to get my round TUIT. I suspect that it would be easier/cheaper to build a large airtight container and flood it with Nitrogen since that should preclude oxidation.
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: robbiegal on April 28, 2013, 12:29:44 PM
well Fluvio
I have been pleasantly surprised at how well coins hold up in old tins
I often get auction lots and the occasional deceased estate lot and then continue to store the coins in tins and they all seem quite ok

but, my storage is affected by a few factors
1. a fairly dry area - not a humid coastal area
2. I keep the coins in side the house and not in say a garage where they can be exposed to moisture, rapid temperature changes etc.
3. I now also use acid free cellophane bags for small groups & single coins - the material that is safe for coins
4. I also buy glad brand smaller food storage containers that aren't locked tight and the coins have also held up for many years all ok - (these coins are the bronzes)

if I ever have coins in a plastic bag I punch holes in the bag so that the coins breathe but rarely do that now unless I am sorting for someone else & they give me the bags

gee whizz, milk crates full of errors and varieties - that sounds like a lot of sorting work to me!

cheers rob
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: JeffH on April 28, 2013, 01:55:36 PM
How do I vote for "None of the above"?

Jeff
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: trout on April 28, 2013, 02:01:25 PM
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='13190' dateline='1367123136'How do I vote for "None of the above"?

Jeff

I couldn't find the 'Ice Cream Container" option either :mocking:
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Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: robbiegal on April 28, 2013, 02:10:44 PM
who made the poll?
perhaps it can be changed to cater for all the range of the collecting community

there's plenty of different ways that we all store coins
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: JeffH on April 28, 2013, 03:00:58 PM
Ice cream containers is one of mine too. Also, frozen yoghurt containers are handy as well as small, square food storage containers.
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: robbiegal on April 28, 2013, 06:52:20 PM
ha ha
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: Fulvio on April 28, 2013, 07:52:11 PM
The plastic tubs ALDI pack their mushrooms in are perfect for short term storage, say when sorting coins. They stack nicely, they're transparent, and they don't flex a lot, unlike say icecream containers. :)

Tins, eh? Hmmmmmmmmm... That might work I guess.

And yeah, picking up a crate full is hard work, not to mention sorting it. :( Tins IN crates might be a vast improvement...
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: Nevol on April 28, 2013, 07:59:45 PM
I've got that many types of storage, it's crazy.
 
PVC Albums, yes lots, some that are awaiting action from me to rescue the coins, but they're so yucky I don't want to touch them. I think I'll end up cutting the coins out and then give them an acetone bath.

I have some albums that I've made up using PVC free pages I got from PP.

A full set of Australian Decimal Danscos, unused so far, a heap of US Whitman & Littleton Folders, 1 Canadian Uni Master Album, a heap of UK, NZ &  Fiji folders.

Ice cream containers, Yoghurt containers, lunch boxes, about 40 various sized screw top containers, various other ex food containers, thousands of 2x2's, 1½ x 1½'s, itty bitty zip lock bags, a few dozen assorted types of 'tool' boxes or hobby supply type divided trays.

You name it, if it will hold coins, I'll use it, but no metal containers!
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: robbiegal on April 28, 2013, 08:08:35 PM
jeepers Nevol you sound like fulvio

coins unleashed!

I have a few of those lighthouse boxes with the blue base and the clear top that hold , about 100 2x2's I used to really like using them but the flips are hopeless in them
and they stack very nicely as well
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: Goldseeker on April 28, 2013, 09:14:09 PM
And I thought I was going pretty well with my 37 odd DANSCO Supreme Albums, you make me look like a beginner Nevol.

Now, where do you store all your plastic containers?   I hope not in the kitchen larder........?
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: trout on April 28, 2013, 09:23:45 PM
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='13250' dateline='1367149449'And I thought I was going pretty well with my 37 odd DANSCO Supreme Albums, you make me look like a beginner Nevol.

Now, where do you store all your plastic containers?   I hope not in the kitchen larder........?

I recon nevol would be doing ALL her cooking on the barbeque outside now that the entire house is full of coins..............Lucky Bugger :dance2:
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: Goldseeker on April 28, 2013, 11:18:59 PM
BBQ every day, not bad.   And the address is...........!
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: Nevol on April 29, 2013, 07:53:59 AM
QuoteI recon nevol would be doing ALL her cooking on the barbeque outside now that the entire house is full of coins.
Close! My son BBQ's the meat and I do the vegies inside, usually steamed, and most of the time Mushroom gravy. Yum!  
No coins stored in the kitchen except the ones out of my purse waiting to be noodled.

Closed in side verandah is where the majority of them are, close to my PC.  I spend more time trying to get them organised than anything else,
but I get sidetracked very easily, then when I go back to organising, I forget where I was at and have to start again.
Currently working on 10c errors, but it's taking me ages.

The $1 errors are going to be a nightmare to organise, so I'm leaving them till last.

Sheesh, I'm way off topic. :dodgy: Sorry!
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: Fulvio on April 29, 2013, 01:22:09 PM
I do it a bit differently. I start at $2 and work my way down, because that way I can put the most value back into circulation. Of course that means I run out of steam long before I get down to 5¢, so now I need a forklift to shift them. Imagine all the undiscovered goodies in that mountain though... :)

And yes, organisation is the killer. I've tried a few ideas, but ended up with milk crates full of sacks of bags jam packed full of a given variety. Not ideal, but it would cost an absolute fortune to wrap these things in any kind of individual packaging. :(
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: Fulvio on April 29, 2013, 03:22:26 PM
I just dug out a bag of coins my ex's father threw my way (he still gives me all his change rather than bank it). It had been lying around for a couple of years, and of course, it was PVC.

Here's what I just posted about it, with pic: http://goo.gl/uiCu3

PVC is really really nasty stuff, so much so it even eats coin bags!

On the other hand, he also had a couple of glass jars full of coins, and they were still in absolute pristine condition. Hmm... Glass Coin Albums, anyone? ;)
Title: RE: PVC free albums
Post by: Fulvio on April 30, 2013, 05:15:07 PM
I'm really hating this job, sorting that PVC bag full of coins. Thousands and thousands of the little buggers, all affected in some way.

I need a stack of Toxic Waste Stickers to put on the rejects before I take them to the bank I think. ;)