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Australian Coins, Banknotes and Exonumia => Australian Pre-Decimal Coins => Topic started by: ausproofs on June 21, 2023, 09:45:42 PM

Title: 1916 Florin Specimen or business strike?
Post by: ausproofs on June 21, 2023, 09:45:42 PM
Folks, Any feedback on the below coin would be very much appreciated. I believe this coin (1916 Florin) could be a specimen strike. Anyone can shade any light on if it is or not please? Would love to hear how you can tell a SP from a business strike coin. 
 (https://www.pcgs.com/cert/85751033)

 (https://www.pcgs.com/cert/85751033)1916 Florin  (https://www.pcgs.com/cert/85751033)
Title: RE: 1916 Florin Specimen or business strike?
Post by: nealeffendi on June 22, 2023, 12:31:42 AM
Numistip has an image of a 1916 florin under the heading of 1916 specimen florin when I Google search 1916 specimen florin. That image has CBL of LL in shiLLings. Yours has FBL.
Title: RE: 1916 Florin Specimen or business strike?
Post by: nealeffendi on June 22, 2023, 12:36:59 AM
Further checking finds that the Numistip image is from the Museums Victoria website where it is called a specimen. Drake Sterling also sold one in ms66 as a specimen but it had FBL. Is it possible that the alleged 60 specimen strikes exist as both FBL and CBL?
Title: RE: 1916 Florin Specimen or business strike?
Post by: nealeffendi on June 22, 2023, 12:47:19 AM
There is also an image or yet another 1916 florin on the museum Victoria website when I search as 1916 proof florin. Looks more FBL.
I'm always careful not to take anything Museum Victoria writes on their website about coins. For coins I know a good deal about I find their facts wrong, so for coins I know little about I have to assume that the facts are suspect.
Title: RE: 1916 Florin Specimen or business strike?
Post by: ausproofs on June 22, 2023, 06:05:45 AM
Thanks Neil, I agree. I couldn't find any reliable information hence the question. Appreciate your response.
Title: RE: 1916 Florin Specimen or business strike?
Post by: Mister T on June 24, 2023, 08:14:31 AM
Yeah not sure - was there a coin magazine article about these sets a few years ago? I remember articles about the 1950s proofs and how to spot them.
Title: RE: 1916 Florin Specimen or business strike?
Post by: ausproofs on June 24, 2023, 11:30:45 AM
Thanks Mister T, I will try to find my Briggs Florin book. I am sure Dr Briggs has some good information. (I misplaced it somewhere in the house. Need to find the box! If I get anything worthwhile, I will put it in here).
Title: RE: 1916 Florin Specimen or business strike?
Post by: Mister T on June 24, 2023, 05:32:53 PM
Just found my copy of the florin book and it says die cracks are common on the specimens but it doesn't look like there's any smoking gun die crack, and apparently the same die was used for circulation coins too.
Title: RE: 1916 Florin Specimen or business strike?
Post by: ausproofs on June 24, 2023, 08:55:46 PM
Oh thanks Mr T.. cheers for that . Hunt for information continues . Appreciate your help.
Title: RE: 1916 Florin Specimen or business strike?
Post by: nealeffendi on June 26, 2023, 07:47:28 PM
The ms66 that Drake Sterling sold is in the Benchmark Collection in the PCGS florin set registry. I've zoomed in and can't find any sign of die cracking. So was there 2 dies or die pairs used for the specimen strikes or perhaps one for the "proof" and another for the "specimen" strikes? Were there even any proof strikes?
BTW calling a set the Benchmark Collection in the PCGS set registry is just annoying. The Benchmark Collection was NGC and even if some of it was swapped into PCGS slabs not all were including a number in my NGC storage box including a couple of florins. Will be confusing when talking about say the Benchmark Canberra florin when there are now 2 with that description ( mine and theirs).
Title: RE: 1916 Florin Specimen or business strike?
Post by: Mister T on June 27, 2023, 08:30:13 PM
I didn't think there were 1916 proofs.
Title: RE: 1916 Florin Specimen or business strike?
Post by: ausproofs on June 27, 2023, 09:50:44 PM
Yes .. only Specimen coins .. something like 60, believe they were sets .. I could be wrong
Title: RE: 1916 Florin Specimen or business strike?
Post by: Basilstate on June 28, 2023, 08:48:20 AM
I don't have the knowledge to comment but good to see a pre-Dec. Thread with a bit of oxygen.

Find myself more and more on FB these days but its full of mis/disinformation with the Posters thinking they know it all.
Title: RE: 1916 Florin Specimen or business strike?
Post by: ausproofs on June 28, 2023, 09:56:06 PM
Quote from: 'Basilstate' pid='128344' dateline='1687907900'I don't have the knowledge to comment but good to see a pre-Dec. Thread with a bit of oxygen.

Find myself more and more on FB these days but its full of mis/disinformation with the Posters thinking they know it all.

Thanks Basil. It's pretty quiet here isn't it ? Good to see people are still responding and interested in pre decimal coins.
Title: RE: 1916 Florin Specimen or business strike?
Post by: serenitystan on July 03, 2023, 08:02:49 AM
Apparently collectors back in 1916. could purchase the cased 1916 specimen set for Six Shillings and dignitaries received them for free. Of the 60 sets made only 7 have come on the market, Jaggards,Coinworks, Sterling +Currency Nobles..Fantastic toning due to the purple velvet lining..
Title: RE: 1916 Florin Specimen or business strike?
Post by: ausproofs on July 03, 2023, 06:18:28 PM
Thanks mate ! I have heard similar stories. Apparently this coin was from old Rare coins company. Sold as a specimen for a good sun of money. Hunt continues. Hopefully there is a way to figure it out ..