Calendar of Forthcoming Events
Although planning for public events was thrown into disarray over the past 12 months, the ANDA Committee is cautiously optimistic we'll see a more stable 2021.
The dates below have been set with the latest Government advice in mind; they are subject to change if circumstances required, please check the Money Expo website (http://moneyexpo.net.au/) for up to date information.
2021 Brisbane Money Expo
Saturday, May 1st, 10:00 AM - 4:00 PM
Sunday, May 2nd, 10:00 AM - 3:00 PM
Royal International Convention Centre
2021 Melbourne Money Expo
Saturday, July 17th, 10:00 AM - 4:00 PM
Sunday, July 18th, 10:00 AM - 3:00 PM
Malvern Town Hall
2021 Perth Money Expo
Saturday, July 31st, 10:00 AM - 4:00 PM
Sunday, August 1st, 10:00 AM - 3:00 PM
South Perth Civic Centre
2021 Sydney Money Expo
TBC Sydney Lower Town Hall
Does RAM ever attend these things? Maybe a way to get some 2020 or 2021 denomination coin swaps?
Yes, they usually have a stand. It seems to be the only reason some people come!
Nice, just saw it on Facebook last night.
A RAM coin swap would be nice.
Hopefully they will go ahead without too much disruption
For Petersham coin fair the next date is 31st May and is still "to be confirmed".
Read up a bit on the big Corona Virus outbreak of the late 19th century (the Russian Flu), as it mutated the bug came back in 3 waves about 3-4 years apart and killed a few million, does this mean the various coin fairs might be disrupted for the next decade?
Considering that this virus seems to have a propensity to mutate a lot of things might continue to be disrupted for some time.
There was a health expert on TV the other night saying we will NEVER be rid of Covid19, it doesn't matter how many of our population get vaccinated, it will continue to mutate here or overseas.
We would have to be 100% isolationist and stay that way to have any chance of getting rid of it.
That isn't going to happen.
That's is what I heard too. It will a case of every winter we will have cold, flu and covid season,
instead of just cold and flu season. :(
Oh gweidion, I agree that it will be forever. That strain from the 1880s is still around and along with 3 other strains of coronavirus it accounts for about 10% of cases of the common cold. Plus the current strain has now established itself in a number of mammals (wild and domestic) so it won't be possible to get rid of it. How can we isolationist when there are still over half a million Australians overseas, so do we cut off all contact with them or stop people here from visiting their overseas relatives?
I just hope the coin fairs don't require masks or social distancing as they won't fit everybody in.
Yes the Spanish flu pops up every now and again, a couple of Winters back they were calling it the Brisbane flu.
I have no sympathy for any Aussies who didn't heed the warning back in March and April that we would be closing up shop and if you don't come home now you'll be out of luck.
Plenty of warnings were issued. Now they'll have to ride out the zombie apocalypse where they are until we get around to picking them up. A failure to plan on their part does not make an emergency on my part.
And no one should be in cities quarantining as seen by the failures. It should all be places like Howard Springs and Fort Lytton.
At least Howard Springs will be easy to nuke if it gets out of hand.
gweidon; It wasn't a matter of not heeding the warnings, there simply was no seats or planes available to come back. The airlines were not answering phones, confirmed seats were cancelled (happened to us 7 times) and many flights required changing planes in either very expensive cities or in isolated turd world cities with an even chance the onward leg would be cancelled stranding passengers for weeks or months in places like Central Asia. Many airports were closed, for example Cairo airport was supposed to close until 31 March (but didn't reopen until 1st July).
Also there were almost NO warnings issued, it was quite safe to travel in early March (except to China, Iran and Italy) and then suddenly the governments decided to declare a pandemic with many airports shutting with only hours of notification.
The airline we had return tickets on (Etihad) were not answering the phone, their website said that they would only deal with those whose flights were within 48 hours and they shut their office in Egypt. The Australian embassy also shut its doors and put up a sign that they could be contacted by phone (we had repeatedly tried phoning them and had only gone to the embassy to see if they were working).
Plus many of the half million still overseas couldn't return; examples I know of include people who were waiting for passports for their new baby, people waiting for a visa for their spouse, people in hospital at the time, children visiting grandparents whose parents were not allowed to leave Australia to pick them up (and their grandparents cannot enter Australia to return them) and the airlines won't let the kids travel without a relative. Plenty had tickets and plans to return but when governments repeatedly change things they mess those plans. They said the border closure would be a few weeks to a few months and told all the stranded Australians to ride it out, now 11 months later they still can't organise things and still refuse entry to Australians (but can somehow make space for thousands of foreign "sportsmen" to come to play cricket and tennis and cause dozens of new infections).
Also some people had tickets on airlines that no longer fly to Australia (due to the quarantine cap making it uneconomic), some airlines required booked passengers to rebook cancelled flights through their travel agent (we were lucky in this regard as our travel agent wasn't one of the 50% of agents that shut shop and we had family here to keep rebooking for us) and most airlines have restrictions on flying passengers with expired passports (people have been stranded these past 11 months in countries with no Australian embassy and cannot cross borders to countries with embassies to renew them).
Plus the quarantine cap means airlines bumped passengers with economy tickets and are now only selling the premium seat; ands at an outrageous price (to fly a family of 5 one way now costs over $100,000 from some countries). I know of stranded people who have spent $60,000 on tickets and then had the flights cancelled with a long wait (years if ever) to get a refund.
We even had travel insurance, but most insurers had clauses in the fine print that make it impossible to make a claim. And our plans at least allowed us to ride out 6 months or more overseas without going broke, but most peoples plans don't cover the Australian government refusing to allow them back and at current rates it will be 2022 until all those who want to come back can.
Hi, does anyone know if there would be a dealer at the Brissie money expo that can submitt notes to PMG in America??..
I know Imperial does submissions to PCGS for note grading.
Imperial is the old Melbourne Mint and prior to that, Cotton and Co.
I assume they will do less than 20 although I submitted 21 to get the extra discount. I don't know if they are going to the Brisbane Expo however.
Got an email from RAM today.
The Royal Australian Mint will not be attending the 2021 Brisbane Money Expo
bugger
Annoying - wonder if they'll go to the Ekka instead.
I went along yesterday - quite busy and quite a few young people too.
No dealers had junk boxes I could see which was a shame.
I went today after lunch. At least a couple of dealers had boxes of coins, loose and slabbed, that said make an offer. I blew my money sending a banknote grading submission. Had a look around, my eyesight doesn't bode well for looking through glass cases at slabbed coins so I wasn't overly interested. Saw some nice (overpriced) error and star banknotes but I don't have money to waste on those.
Nearly ended up in the model train show up the road. Probably would have been just as good and much cheaper.
Quote from: 'gweidion' pid='124727' dateline='1619952597'Nearly ended up in the model train show up the road. Probably would have been just as good and much cheaper.
On Saturday morning at least the model train show was exceptionally busy.
I went along on Saturday morning. My only reason for going was the MOR Koala Privy, the queue for it and other ANDA offerings was long when I arrived and considered giving it a miss. Glad I hung in there despite periodic announcements that some items had become unavailable.
Was a good crowd as well and one of the local dealers I spoke to was quite happy.
At the risk of being a whinger, the venue lacks atmosphere, poorly lit with little natural light, reminds me of the dour and uninspiring feelings of late night losers at a casino. Just my opinion.
I then crossed the road and soaked up the model railway exhibition :yahoo:
Is anyone able to advise what the issue prices were of the 4 overprint PNCs that were available at the show?
Pedro
I didn't take a lot of notice but I vaguely recall seeing the RAF one and think it was either $19.95 or $34.95. Sorry that isn't a lot of help. I had zero money on me even if I had wanted one.
Thanks gweidion, the higher price is probably it as the standard RAAF PNC went for $24.95.
I admire your willpower in going to a coin show with no money :)
Pedro
I had money when I went but used it all and then some on a PCGS submission of banknotes with Imperial. When I worked out the price I used an old sheet, only to find out they were charging $5 more per banknote. Hence being broke and having to transfer extra money through.
I find it frustrating that certain people only go to ANDA events as opportunists just to purchase limited new releases for resale
I doubt many of them even are even collectors who would even visit a table of the attending dealers
Quote from: 'runway' pid='124743' dateline='1620387936'I find it frustrating that certain people only go to ANDA events as opportunists just to purchase limited new releases for resale
I doubt many of them even are even collectors who would even visit a table of the attending dealers
I think there are more speculators in our hobby than collectors these days. It doesn't make a good experience for legitimate collectors but it does drive the prices UP which attracts more speculators.
The only way I can see it changing is if either there is a restriction placed on purchases (one per person), they would need to be numbered, and then legal action taken against people breaching it like speculators (and dealers) on eBay. That is not going to happen.
The only other way is for all collectors to get together and say well, no matter what comes out in 2022 and 2023 we are NOT buying or collecting them, leaving the speculators holding the bag. If they get burned enough it might put a few off.
I can't see that happening either.
Quote from: 'gweidion' pid='124889' dateline='1622084890'Quote from: 'runway' pid='124743' dateline='1620387936'I find it frustrating that certain people only go to ANDA events as opportunists just to purchase limited new releases for resale
I doubt many of them even are even collectors who would even visit a table of the attending dealers
I think there are more speculators in our hobby than collectors these days. It doesn't make a good experience for legitimate collectors but it does drive the prices UP which attracts more speculators.
The only way I can see it changing is if either there is a restriction placed on purchases (one per person), they would need to be numbered, and then legal action taken against people breaching it like speculators (and dealers) on eBay. That is not going to happen.
The only other way is for all collectors to get together and say well, no matter what comes out in 2022 and 2023 we are NOT buying or collecting them, leaving the speculators holding the bag. If they get burned enough it might put a few off.
I can't see that happening either.
ANDA do have great dealers who go to the effort that's true
eBay Australia are the biggest crooks in the industry who protect the fraudsters
With the Melbourne ANDA Show, (yes I know, wrong title but its the only one I can remember for this show), only a few weeks off again at the Malvern Town Hall. How are they going to manage the attendance firstly with sellers and then the general public. I can remember the last time I went there about three years ago the hall was absolutely packed out and one could hardly move. Now with Covid 19 spreading like an invisible wildfire, how are they going to mange two lots of people as the limit on people in one place is going to be drastically curbed. I intend to get to Malvern Town Hall between 7-8am and try to be in the front of the queue just in case it is limited to only 50 or 100 people at a time. I trust the organizers of this show have thought about the crowd limits and if the limit is say 50 people, will that include the sellers/traders and the attending public or what. It is going to be an interesting event and problem me thinks for the organizers.
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='125007' dateline='1624020633'With the Melbourne ANDA Show, (yes I know, wrong title but its the only one I can remember for this show), only a few weeks off again at the Malvern Town Hall. How are they going to manage the attendance firstly with sellers and then the general public. I can remember the last time I went there about three years ago the hall was absolutely packed out and one could hardly move. Now with Covid 19 spreading like an invisible wildfire, how are they going to mange two lots of people as the limit on people in one place is going to be drastically curbed. I intend to get to Malvern Town Hall between 7-8am and try to be in the front of the queue just in case it is limited to only 50 or 100 people at a time. I trust the organizers of this show have thought about the crowd limits and if the limit is say 50 people, will that include the sellers/traders and the attending public or what. It is going to be an interesting event and problem me thinks for the organizers.
The event will go ahead if no more Covid lockdown from Andrews
Yes, I agree that the show will go on but what about crowd limits. 7,000 at a Geelong Footy match, crowd limits at weddings, funerals etc.
Nothing yet about crowd limits at shows.
Melbourne ANDA has been cancelled this year
I thought Victoria was on top of their Rona outbreak?
Are they worried NSW will send some of the Delta variant back to Victoria?