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Title: 1938 crown grade?
Post by: JeffH on November 25, 2020, 09:18:53 AM
The 2x2 this was in was marked aEF. Is this an accurate estimate of the grade?
Not a lot of wear or marking and quite good lustre. The reverse, to my eye, looks to be a fair bit better than the obverse.
I am aslo curious about what might be the cause of the zigzag near the VS

I am wondering if would be worth sending to PCGS for grading.
(https://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10055/139/1938_3.JPG)
(https://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10055/139/1938_4.jpg)
(https://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10055/139/1938_1.jpg)
(https://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10055/139/1938_2.jpg)
Title: RE: 1938 crown grade?
Post by: Unicorn on November 25, 2020, 09:55:50 AM
Lovely coin Jeff! I've never had a 38 crown. I'll leave the grading to the experts, but I think the zigzag might be just where the milling edge of another coin has hit it.
Title: RE: 1938 crown grade?
Post by: echidna on November 25, 2020, 09:59:23 AM
Th zigzag is  a bagmark.
Grade looks OK to me - a bit conservative maybe.
I would get it graded if it were mine.
Title: RE: 1938 crown grade?
Post by: Basil on November 25, 2020, 01:26:06 PM
Yes,just be carefull on Ebay and the like,Chinese fakes sometimes have the 'Reeding' marks hammered in to mirror a genuine 1938 Crown,jungle out there.

Quote...PCGS ..."The edge of one coin hitting the surface of another is one of these, causing what sometimes are referred to as reeding marks, although for plain-edge coins this would not be technically correct. These are also called bag marks, but not all of these marks occur in bags, so again this is not technically correct."
Title: RE: 1938 crown grade?
Post by: JeffH on November 25, 2020, 04:28:09 PM
Hi Basil,
I have had this one for a few years and the chap I obtained it from bought it from an Edlin's (http://www.edlins.com.au/) auction quite a few years before.
Unlikely to have come from China or ever been on eBay.
Jeff
Title: RE: 1938 crown grade?
Post by: gweidion on November 25, 2020, 08:56:23 PM
The top one is certainly a nice looking coin. There is a little bit of wear in the king's hair and that is fairly typical for a lightly circulated coin. I'd be inclined to pay PCGS or ANACS to grade it. Wait till you have 20 plus coins to grade, it is cheaper for more.
It is surprising how a slight change in angle can make so much difference in photos. Those marks on the C in Crown barely show in the top set.
I'm a little concerned about the tiny pock marks on the obverse on the second set of images. Might be PVC damage?
Title: RE: 1938 crown grade?
Post by: Basil on November 25, 2020, 09:23:18 PM
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='123851' dateline='1606283889'Hi Basil,
I have had this one for a few years and the chap I obtained it from bought it from an Edlin's (http://www.edlins.com.au/) auction quite a few years before.
Unlikely to have come from China or ever been on eBay.
Jeff

Hi Jeff,just a generalised comment,a guy up our way got caught earlier this year,he's in a FB Coin group so if he downloads some Pics.,i'll post a link here.
The Kings eye is usually open on genuine Coins,closed on many fakes as a rule of thumb amongst other things.
Title: RE: 1938 crown grade?
Post by: ausproofs on November 26, 2020, 08:53:08 PM
Nice coin Jeff, If it is my coin, I would get it graded.
Title: RE: 1938 crown grade?
Post by: stevo1962 on November 29, 2020, 05:05:03 PM
PCGS will grade it AU53 I would say
Title: RE: 1938 crown grade?
Post by: Unicorn on November 29, 2020, 09:18:09 PM
Good to see you posting Stevo!
Title: RE: 1938 crown grade?
Post by: Tanecoins on December 11, 2022, 04:47:16 AM
Nice coin. I would say its full EF. The usual light wear on the orb and the light wear on the King's Hair. This is a good piece.

Nearly as nice as mine!
Title: RE: 1938 crown grade?
Post by: Basilstate on December 11, 2022, 08:03:00 AM
Quote from: 'Tanecoins' pid='127478' dateline='1670696236'Nice coin. I would say its full EF. The usual light wear on the orb and the light wear on the King's Hair. This is a good piece.

Nearly as nice as mine!

 :welcome:
Title: RE: 1938 crown grade?
Post by: Triggersmob on December 11, 2022, 09:06:09 AM
Welcome to ACF Tanecoins.
Great to have you here.
:welcome:
Title: RE: 1938 crown grade?
Post by: ttkoo on December 21, 2022, 12:46:48 PM
QuoteNice coin. I would say its full EF. The usual light wear on the orb and the light wear on the King's Hair. This is a good piece.

Nearly as nice as mine!

:welcome: Nice to see you at it again Tane. Welcome.

QuoteNice coin Jeff, If it is my coin, I would get it graded.
What is the cost of grading these days?
Title: RE: 1938 crown grade?
Post by: JeffH on December 21, 2022, 02:53:53 PM
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='123858' dateline='1606386188'Nice coin Jeff, If it is my coin, I would get it graded.

I know someone had one of them graded, similar to this one and reported back to me that a decent grade was obtained.
I think that was you ausproofs? If so remind me again of the grade -my memory is not as good as it used to be.

Jeff
Title: RE: 1938 crown grade?
Post by: gweidion on December 21, 2022, 06:58:42 PM
Quote from: 'ttkoo' pid='127558' dateline='1671589008'What is the cost of grading these days?

It depends on if you are a member and do it yourself or if you use a third party who handles your submission like Imperial in Brisbane does. It also depends on which third party grader you use. PCGS or ANACS. There is another one that is acceptable. ICG perhaps?
Generally it is cheaper the more you do at the same time.

Did you ever get your 1938 crown graded Jeff?

I've sent off a couple of 1927 Canberra florins to get graded late last month that I won't see again till late February or March depending on how busy they are. Cost me $84 iirc for two coins. I would have liked to send off 20 to 40 coins and banknotes but don't currently have the cash to commit to it.
Title: RE: 1938 crown grade?
Post by: ausproofs on December 22, 2022, 02:37:12 PM
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='127559' dateline='1671596633'
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='123858' dateline='1606386188'Nice coin Jeff, If it is my coin, I would get it graded.

I know someone had one of them graded, similar to this one and reported back to me that a decent grade was obtained.
I think that was you ausproofs? If so remind me again of the grade -my memory is not as good as it used to be.

Jeff

Hi Jeff, Yes it was me. Coin was graded MS 61

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/84294770

Also you helped me to secure that coin  :thank_you:
Title: RE: 1938 crown grade?
Post by: JeffH on December 22, 2022, 02:59:21 PM
Thanks for reminding me; my memory was working after all.
The one you selected is better than the one I kept. You chose wisely and I only wanted a reasonable one to have.
Title: RE: 1938 crown grade?
Post by: ttkoo on December 23, 2022, 05:58:15 PM
QuoteIt depends on if you are a member and do it yourself or if you use a third party who handles your submission
Thanks for the info Gweidion, I have a fairly nice one, but with a bag mark on the cheek. If I wanted to get a coin slabbed I guess I would use the purple penny which is in my neighborhood.

Cheers TT
Title: RE: 1938 crown grade?
Post by: ausproofs on December 23, 2022, 11:51:04 PM
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='127571' dateline='1671683361'Thanks for reminding me; my memory was working after all.
The one you selected is better than the one I kept. You chose wisely and I only wanted a reasonable one to have.

I would say it is more just luck than anything else Jeff. I thought all coins that were on offer were decent/honest coins. 

Thanks for your help !