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Title: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Nevol on October 01, 2019, 08:41:45 PM
New $20 coming soon.

https://banknotes.rba.gov.au/australias-banknotes/next-generation-banknotes-program/
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Triggersmob on October 01, 2019, 10:10:00 PM
Thanks for the update Nancy. :)
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Mister T on October 02, 2019, 09:31:28 PM
What year are the old notes in the folder? The most recent $20 notes I've seen are dated 2013.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: gabby on October 04, 2019, 07:10:21 AM
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='120411' dateline='1569928305'New $20 coming soon.

https://banknotes.rba.gov.au/australias-banknotes/next-generation-banknotes-program/

Thanks for the update Nevol
I'm in for a couple on arrival
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Nevol on October 04, 2019, 07:34:42 AM
Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='120424' dateline='1570017688'What year are the old notes in the folder? The most recent $20 notes I've seen are dated 2013.
:scratch_one-s_head: Not sure what folder you're referring to. On the Banknote Serial site 2013 is the last year $20's were made.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: jens coins on October 04, 2019, 09:19:36 AM
I got a $20 AA13 note in change yesterday that was in good condition. Looks like it is a keeper.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: gabby on October 05, 2019, 06:29:31 AM
Quote from: 'jens coins' pid='120429' dateline='1570146576'I got a $20 AA13 note in change yesterday that was in good condition. Looks like it is a keeper.

Same here.   I got mine earlier in the week

Not too bad condition
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Mister T on October 05, 2019, 03:50:09 PM
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='120428' dateline='1570140282'
Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='120424' dateline='1570017688'What year are the old notes in the folder? The most recent $20 notes I've seen are dated 2013.
:scratch_one-s_head: Not sure what folder you're referring to. On the Banknote Serial site 2013 is the last year $20's were made.

I was wondering what year the old-style notes in the folder with two notes are - if 2013 was the last year the old-style notes were made I guess that's it.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Nevol on October 06, 2019, 09:23:51 AM
This site has the 'blurb' re the folder on it under "Numismatic Banknote Arrangements".

https://banknotes.rba.gov.au/resources/for-collectors/collecting-banknotes/
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Shire.of.Douglas on October 06, 2019, 08:55:39 PM
The pre-order photos on 2 of the linked sites show an AD10 and an AB19, but this is by no means definitive!

The new generation $20 is a generic specimen photo, and it could well be the same for the old gen note as well...
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Nevol on October 13, 2019, 09:38:41 AM
Many of the new $20 notes on Ebay so far appear to be using the same images and as far as the 'old' notes go it may very well be wysiwyg. No last series notes that I can see. Only AD10 as per Shire.of.Douglas's post.

I'm not interested in getting any, just looked out of curiosity.

'Images courtesy of the Reserve Bank of Australia' so that explains why they're all the same.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Mister T on October 13, 2019, 11:40:01 AM
Now that they're out does anyone know at what prefix the old signature ends and the new signature starts?
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: runway on October 13, 2019, 10:11:42 PM
eBay always hosts grubs
Go to RBA in Canberra or Sydney to get the new $20 if interested
Don't bother buying the folders from a dealer they have already cherry picked the serial numbers
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Nevol on October 19, 2019, 09:15:56 AM
https://banknotes.rba.gov.au/portals/industry-engagement-hub/latest-news/

An interesting snippet for dedicated Note collectors.
QuotePlease note that the new $20 banknotes have been printed with two different signature combinations: Lowe/Fraser and Lowe/Gaetjens. The reason for this is that an early print run of the new $20 banknotes commenced while John Fraser still held the position of Secretary to the Treasury. The signature block was changed to reflect Philip Gaetjens' appointment prior to the commencement of the full production run.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: redlock on October 19, 2019, 04:30:51 PM
It sounds like Lowe/Fraser could have low or ''low-ish''  production figures.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Mister T on October 19, 2019, 05:07:21 PM
Okay, so I got some from a Westpac today - they're BF 19 1764618 - 1764622 and are Philip Gaetjens.
The last CAB (October) said most are the old Lowe/Gaetjens signatures.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: gweidion on November 03, 2019, 07:18:21 PM
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='120576' dateline='1571438756'https://banknotes.rba.gov.au/portals/industry-engagement-hub/latest-news/

An interesting snippet for dedicated Note collectors.
QuotePlease note that the new $20 banknotes have been printed with two different signature combinations: Lowe/Fraser and Lowe/Gaetjens. The reason for this is that an early print run of the new $20 banknotes commenced while John Fraser still held the position of Secretary to the Treasury. The signature block was changed to reflect Philip Gaetjens' appointment prior to the commencement of the full production run.


Not seeing any on eBay with Lowe Fraser unfortunately. I'm still looking for AA190 xxxxx ones and EA190 xxxxx ones to a lessor extent. Given that there are 10 million notes to a combination you'd think they would be relatively cheap.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Mister T on November 03, 2019, 07:50:58 PM
Was only one sheet printed? Would the Lowe/Fraser ones be the high serial numbers?
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: gweidion on November 03, 2019, 08:12:23 PM
Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='120748' dateline='1572772858'Was only one sheet printed? Would the Lowe/Fraser ones be the high serial numbers?

No indication of signature block quantities on the release data. Does anyone know someone who works at Note Printing Australia to ask?
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Mister T on November 07, 2019, 10:03:11 PM
Might eventually be added to the print information.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: runway on November 08, 2019, 09:35:17 PM
If Lowe/Fraser serials were issued eBay would be onto it by now
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Mister T on February 14, 2020, 09:25:20 PM
Looks like they've started turning up now - few for sale on Facebook. Some of the serial numbers:
AB 19 0049720
BI 19 0049481
BK 19 0041118
CC 19 004311*
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Hercules on March 14, 2020, 12:16:29 PM
Does anyone know how to get a continuous run of new $20 notes from the ATMs or cash exchange machines at Westpac? I had no problem doing this with the new $5, $10 and $50 notes, but they seem to be deliberately mixing the new $20 notes with the old ones to prevent people from doing this.

I can't go into the bank and ask for them directly, because they'll put teller flicks on them, thereby preventing me from selling them as CFU grade. I also can't buy a pack of 100, because it's well and truly outside my price range. What should I do in this situation? How can I get a consecutive run of 20 CFU new $20 notes at face value?
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Mister T on March 14, 2020, 05:03:14 PM
In years past I've asked tellers and they get dispensed by some machine now - I told the tellers I wanted new notes specifically so they were careful enough.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Hercules on March 14, 2020, 08:15:51 PM
But don't they still count them individually, thereby creating teller flicks that prevent them from being sold as crisp, flat and uncirculated?
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: gweidion on March 14, 2020, 09:35:24 PM
I think it depends on the branch and how busy or careful they are. I've had one teller run $1500 out of the cash dispenser and just hand them to me while another time the teller dutifully counted them out.
No notes were worth collecting though, all old or damaged.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Mister T on March 15, 2020, 11:20:04 AM
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='121695' dateline='1584179151'But don't they still count them individually, thereby creating teller flicks that prevent them from being sold as crisp, flat and uncirculated?

Last year the Westpac I went to seemed to dispense as many the teller told it to - seemed like new technology.
But the couple of times I've been to the teller they seemed understanding so if you tell them to be careful I'm sure they will.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Goldseeker on July 07, 2020, 01:33:08 PM
Interesting transaction at the bank today.

Swapped a bundle of $50.00 notes for $100.00 notes and ended up with the following:

Three 1996 Test Notes;
Five last Prefix Notes:   2011 x 1 (EL), 2013 x 2 (EL), 2017 x 2 (HE).
Both the 2017 Notes have the Lowe/Fraser signature combination.

Am I reading things correctly that the Lowe/Fraser signature is hard to find?
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Mister T on July 07, 2020, 08:37:49 PM
I thought the 2017 $100 notes were tough to find in general (at the moment anyway).
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: gweidion on July 08, 2020, 10:13:36 PM
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='122760' dateline='1594094588'Interesting transaction at the bank today.

Swapped a bundle of $50.00 notes for $100.00 notes and ended up with the following:

Three 1996 Test Notes;
Five last Prefix Notes:   2011 x 1 (EL), 2013 x 2 (EL), 2017 x 2 (HE).
Both the 2017 Notes have the Lowe/Fraser signature combination.

Am I reading things correctly that the Lowe/Fraser signature is hard to find?

All the 2017 notes will be Lowe Fraser. The ones that are difficult are the new 2019 $20 notes, most are Lowe Gaetjens with the Fraser combination appearing around the first 50 or 60 thousand in each serial. Exact numbers not available yet.  

Having said that, the HE $100 notes are worth hanging on to as they are last prefix and are in demand, especially in good condition. I'm after a couple myself and hoping the prices will come down on Fleabag.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: gweidion on July 10, 2020, 08:45:47 PM
Just an update, on fleabag I've seen a Lowe Fraser $20 in the 105000 range which makes me believe that there may be significantly more than previously thought.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Mister T on July 10, 2020, 09:30:47 PM
Ah nice - still no official numbers I guess.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: gweidion on July 11, 2020, 04:13:35 PM
Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='122782' dateline='1594382447'Ah nice - still no official numbers I guess.

That will be up to the RBA to put out and even then they may not differentiate between the signatures, but I hope they do.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: jens coins on October 21, 2020, 08:45:15 PM
Got a $20 AA19 Lowe Fraser note today from circulation.
Very Happy
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: gweidion on October 21, 2020, 11:09:24 PM
Quote from: 'jens coins' pid='123633' dateline='1603275315'Got a $20 AA19 Lowe Fraser note today from circulation.
Very Happy

Wow, that's great. I'm still looking for one. I have some general prefix consecutive uncirculated ones, two and three, but no first or last prefixes. I did get 15 consecutive ones of the Lowe Gaetjens first prefix quite cheaply so I was happy about that.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Nevol on December 30, 2020, 11:30:25 AM
I got a 2019 Lowe/Fraser $20 from circulation today. BI190024285, has one light fold.

 Not as desirable as Jens AA19, but I'm not all that fussy about notes these days. 

Print no's etc are now on the RBA site, so some cluey peeps should be able to calc the final print run numbers. 
https://www.banknotes.rba.gov.au/resources/for-collectors/serial-numbers/
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: gweidion on December 30, 2020, 01:02:14 PM
Given there is over 189 thousand of these Lowe Fraser notes in each serial combination the money being asked for on fleabag is ridiculous.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: gabby on December 31, 2020, 06:55:45 AM
Quote from: 'gweidion' pid='124047' dateline='1609295534'Given there is over 189 thousand of these Lowe Fraser notes in each serial combination the money being asked for on fleabag is ridiculous.

I don't think that worries them.   There is always someone out there that will pay the price
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Nevol on January 08, 2021, 10:02:29 AM
My son gave me a 2nd Lowe/Fraser $20 yesterday, S/N BB190048922. 2 really severe folds, but still a keeper.  :winkextra:
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: jens coins on January 08, 2021, 10:49:44 AM
There are heaps of the  Lowe Fraser $20 notes around at the moment.
I have stopped keeping the circulated ones.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: gweidion on January 08, 2021, 02:50:44 PM
I can't say I have seen any in circulation, we still have a lot of the old notes circulating. Got $200 in $20 the other day from the bank, no new ones. Had the occasional Gaetjens one but none worth keeping.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Pedro on February 02, 2021, 09:35:02 AM
Quote from: 'gweidion' pid='124047' dateline='1609295534'Given there is over 189 thousand of these Lowe Fraser notes in each serial combination the money being asked for on fleabag is ridiculous.

Looks like the market has taken heed with prices falling from $500 to under $100 in 4 weeks.  :good:

Pedro
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: gweidion on February 02, 2021, 08:39:09 PM
Quote from: 'Pedro' pid='124285' dateline='1612220702'
Quote from: 'gweidion' pid='124047' dateline='1609295534'Given there is over 189 thousand of these Lowe Fraser notes in each serial combination the money being asked for on fleabag is ridiculous.

Looks like the market has taken heed with prices falling from $500 to under $100 in 4 weeks.  :good:

Pedro

Still a bit dear though. I am loving seeing people continually relisting lower and lower but greed is making the process slow.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Nevol on February 03, 2021, 09:13:08 AM
I now have 4 of these notes, nothing special about them though. All came from shopping change thanks to my son.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Mister T on May 02, 2021, 06:25:47 AM
Finally found a 2019 Fraser/Lowe.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Mister T on May 09, 2021, 09:01:13 AM
And I got another one in change today.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Mister T on July 11, 2021, 07:23:19 AM
And I got another one last week - looks like they're finally finding their way into circulation.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Nevol on July 29, 2021, 10:14:10 AM
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='124293' dateline='1612305788'I now have 4 of these notes, nothing special about them though. All came from shopping change thanks to my son.
 
I have 10 of these now. Nothing really special about them though, a  couple are in nice condition. 

Serial Nos as follows:

AD 19 0090656
AK 19 0030968
BA 19 0087972
BB 19 0048922
BB 19 0165392
BI 19 0024285
BJ 19 0110371
CK 19 0025472 
DJ 19 0089786
DJ 19 0185859
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Gumardee on May 07, 2022, 07:40:11 PM
This hype died. Hard to sell them for $40 now.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Mister T on September 23, 2023, 11:04:37 AM
I got a 2019 Fraser/Lowe from an ATM a few weeks ago - it had seen some use so it was set free.
Title: RE: New $20 coming soon
Post by: Mister T on November 19, 2023, 08:33:05 PM
I saw an AA 19 recently and I got a CC 20 today, so the 2020 notes are out.