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Title: Pattern / Die Trial ?
Post by: errorsarebest on September 15, 2012, 09:21:19 AM
Hello All, this coin appears to be a pattern / die trial struck on a 50 cent planchet. Jon Saxton discusses this coin here;  http://www.triton.vg/trial.html
I was wondering if anyone out there has any further information about this coin.    

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Title: RE: Pattern / Die Trial ?
Post by: Australian coin on September 15, 2012, 10:48:13 AM
I have seen this coin appear so many times, I even got the contact info for the guy who made it a few years back there was a whole forum somewhere talking about his stuff, also his old resume of everything he ever designed and made, this was never supposed to be a coin design as such he was playing around with deigns for medals and badges at the time.
If you want to call the guy, I can give you his phone number and address, I think he still lives at the same place.


The designer is Horst Hahne



Here it is!
http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/index.php?topic=8865.0

Im pretty sure he is retired in QLD
Cant remember the number, but you can try pot luck with these
Hahne H
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0403 753 479
49 Basswood StAlgesterQLD4115
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Hahne H
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(07) 3368 3675
323 Given TcePaddingtonQLD4064
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Hahne H
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5 Gingana StArandaACT2614
Title: RE: Pattern / Die Trial ?
Post by: planchetflaw on September 15, 2012, 09:56:12 PM
How much do these usually go for at auction recently? I was under the impression they were designed for medallion use, not coinage.
Title: RE: Pattern / Die Trial ?
Post by: errorsarebest on September 16, 2012, 12:27:37 AM
I have not seen one come up for auction for some time. The only info that I have been aware of up to date was the info on Jon Saxton's web page. I guess it could be a medallion but, like Jon, I would not have thought it would be struck on a fifty cent planchet. I would also have expected some form of legend to specify what the medallion was minted for. As Jon has said the designs featured are very similar to designs on other minted coins but I guess they are very general designs, ( ie ACT coat of arms and the new parliament house ), that could be used for many things including medallions. I would think if it is a medallion then it is not the completed design. Thanks for the info re Horst Hahne. I guess he alone could let us know what this coin / medallion is.
Title: RE: Pattern / Die Trial ?
Post by: Mister T on September 16, 2012, 08:56:05 AM
Quote from: 'planchetflaw' pid='469' dateline='1347711972'How much do these usually go for at auction recently? I was under the impression they were designed for medallion use, not coinage.

Apparently it sold for $2600 in 2006, and McDonalds now gives the value as $8500.
Title: RE: Pattern / Die Trial ?
Post by: Australian coin on September 16, 2012, 11:21:41 AM
Hay you want to have some fun.
On the Parliament house coin there should be Horst Hahne initials, “HH”
If I remember correctly they are on the left side.
But on other designs of PH they are on the right.
Here is what his initials look like
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDcxWDQ4MQ==/$(KGrHqYOKjoE6VEbSsbFBOphFZRMB!~~60_12.JPG)
(http://www.australian-threepence.com/images/australia-1995-20c-united-nations.jpg)
I don’t know if there are initials on the COA coin, but you should look for them.
Take zoom in pics :)

Parliament House coins
(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Australia-1997-Parliament-House-1oz-Dollar-Silver-Coin-/00/$(KGrHqQOKpkE4nKyMig!BOKqZ8KwTg~~0_12.JPG)

(http://www.geocities.ws/loei88/coin/au_1998_parliament_r.jpg)

The HH initials are on the right next to the rim in this pic.
With the 50c coin it should be middle left near the edge of pic
Title: RE: Pattern / Die Trial ?
Post by: errorsarebest on September 17, 2012, 08:41:58 AM
Found the HH initials on the Parliament House side but cannot find any initials at all  on the Coat of Arms side.
Title: RE: Pattern / Die Trial ?
Post by: Australian coin on April 09, 2013, 04:13:23 PM
I seen this pic of this medal today, and it reminded me of this thread so I went and rehashed this for you, does it look like a match or what, this is probably your answer, this design was stamped onto your 50c planchet.

(http://www.rustys.net.au/assets/uploads/S6308381.JPG)

http://www.rustys.net.au/product/358

anyway if you want to buy a medal this one has like $6.50 on it, would be interesting to compare, also there is an eBay link to a bulk lot of coins in it with another in it.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3-COINS-CROWNS-LARGE-1988-5-COIN-1981-ROYAL-WEDDING-1989-107b-/310643698452?pt=AU_Coins2&hash=item4853ceab14

30min left
Title: RE: Pattern / Die Trial ?
Post by: planchetflaw on April 09, 2013, 09:01:31 PM
It's a very cool item. The fact it was struck on a 50c blank tells me there was the possibility of it being a legal tender design. But it was for a medallion possibility from my reading.  Well worth $3k +
Title: RE: Pattern / Die Trial ?
Post by: Fulvio on April 22, 2013, 06:06:50 AM
What? Nobody mentioned the $2 coin which was the most obvious place to find HH's initials?
Title: RE: Pattern / Die Trial ?
Post by: trout on April 22, 2013, 07:54:22 AM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='12614' dateline='1366576610'What? Nobody mentioned the $2 coin which was the most obvious place to find HH's initials?

Only on the 1988 and 89 coins, It was removed because of aboriginal sensitivities :ok:
Title: RE: Pattern / Die Trial ?
Post by: Australian coin on June 15, 2014, 02:49:58 PM
seen this pic today on a medal >> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/CANBERRA-AUSTRALIA-MEDALLION-94-92gms-60mm-ISSUED-BY-THE-ROYAL-AUSTRALIAN-MINT-/141015254191?pt=AU_Exonumia_Medals_Tokens&hash=item20d52a04af#ht_1460wt_1124

add image
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTI2NlgxNjAw/z/TvYAAMXQLw1R4Krh/$T2eC16R,!ykE9s7t)cPNBR4Krgt95!~~60_57.JPG)

another one http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AUSTRALIA-CANBERRA-1966-MEDALLION-BRONZE-/370934777989?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item565d6f8885#ht_873wt_1124

CCF has the other side as a different medal

(http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/uploaded/shanew/20130415_003.JPG)

now match the two :P

extra info random info has the same  Canberra City Coat of Arms  >> http://www.archives.act.gov.au/educational_resource/find_of_the_month/2013/may/previous_find_of_the_month_-_52013

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/not-everyone-loves-a-memento-20130502-2ivwv.html