My BiL gave these to me to check for authenticity,not the greatest egs. out there but seem OK as far as details go.
I'm loosing confidence as far as Grading and ID'ing fakes go so would appreciate any Opinions.
The riders arm around the elbow region attracted my attention on the first Coin..... TIA
(https://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/377/IMG_0001.jpg)
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They look good to me. Most fakes have a poorly defined riders hand and the kings robe is incomplete where the back of it meets the rim. Neither is Unc though.
Good,Thanks,i thought they were Ok compared to the Fake photos i have but i'm loosing confidence picking Fakes these days.Lots of detail on the Horses Mouth,Mane,Tail that can be missing on Fakes.
They have reasonable Colour/Patina,its my scanner that gives them that dull washed out look,but still average quality egs. at best,that's why my BiL doesn't want to Slab them,scared of the Grade.
With the sheer number of fake 34-35 florins out there it would probably be wise to get these slabbed.
Even if they come back with a "Details" grade they would still be verified as a genuine coin, Which is much better than having a coin that you are unsure if it is genuine or a fake. :ok:
There's a great reference article on Kathryn & Marks' blog here:
https://www.australian-coins.com/blog/2009/11/identifying-a-counterfeit-193435-centenary-florin.html
Quote from: 'trout' pid='115085' dateline='1525010440'With the sheer number of fake 34-35 florins out there it would probably be wise to get these slabbed.
Even if they come back with a "Details" grade they would still be verified as a genuine coin, Which is much better than having a coin that you are unsure if it is genuine or a fake. :ok:
I agree,he said i could have them for $500 for the 2 so i may buy them and get them slabbed if he drops to $400,they look better in the flesh than my scans.
The Widow he purchased them off said her Husband kept them inside a pair of socks in the 'sock' draw for over 30 years.If that story is true they must have been hitting each other somehow judging by all the contact marks.
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='115088' dateline='1525043498'There's a great reference article on Kathryn & Marks' blog here:
https://www.australian-coins.com/blog/2009/11/identifying-a-counterfeit-193435-centenary-florin.html
Thanks Nancy.
There are a bunch of new fakes of these and the swans which don't have alot of the identifiers in that article, flaws under R of George on 1934/35's and a few common marks on the swans ect are the new identifiers for these struck ones coming out. With the amount of money they have made off these things in the past few months checking ebay sales records I'm sure they have the ability to change up the mix a bit which is going to make things interesting.
Agree that those two look fine.
Quote from: 'Cockatoo Coins' pid='115103' dateline='1525150857'There are a bunch of new fakes of these and the swans which don't have a lot of the identifiers in that article.......
Yep,i know the Riders hand detail on the 34/35 has been fixed for at least the last two years on same Fakes,i'll try and find a photo of a eg.
You really need high resolution images and a good reference of the known genuine dies. Then any Centenary that doesn't match those known dies is suspect. The problem is that most sellers (both genuine sellers and con artists) have crappy images that makes identifying the dies impossible.
I was advised by a certain dealer that perhaps the best way to deal with these fakes is to buy the coin and do a chargeback on the grounds that it is fake. Leaves the con artist out of pocket and gives the good guys a sample for closer examination of the fakes.
That is true, gathering some nice high res photos of both the real and fake examples has been very useful in picking markers however there is little chance of distinguishing those from sales photos, even in hand you really have to know what you are looking for with these new ones.
Just sad to see so many buyers falling victim to their scams, buy the coin of their dreams for their collection only to be told one day its fake. Fast way to kill collectors enthusiasm.