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Australian Coins, Banknotes and Exonumia => Australian Decimal NCLT => Topic started by: Fulvio on August 28, 2017, 05:20:39 PM

Title: Ballot... Are they on Drugs?
Post by: Fulvio on August 28, 2017, 05:20:39 PM
So, I just got the ballot announcement. 1,500 mint sets, for the measly sum of $41 nett, IF you win, and $1 if you lose.

Seriously?

Print the PDF, fill it in, SNAIL MAIL it back (cost $1), for the chance to pay $30 plus $10 postage for a mint set with $3.85 worth of coins in it.

They can stick this where de sun don't shine, I reckon. :(
Title: RE: Ballot... Are they on Drugs?
Post by: trout on August 28, 2017, 05:26:08 PM
The "Packkyboxitis" Mob will go Nuts over this, Me Not so much :angel:
The sales spiel goes on to say;
QuoteThis unique set features the 2017 $1 'C' Mintmark Uncirculated Coin – Centenary of the Trans-Australian Railway. This coin is normally only available from the Mint's Visitor Press in Canberra and is not available for sale through our eShop or Mint Issue catalogues.
This is BS as the "C" mintmark is available in the 4 coin $1 set.
Title: RE: Ballot... Are they on Drugs?
Post by: Fulvio on August 28, 2017, 05:37:25 PM
I'm sure we'll see the usual suspects flogging them for $100+. :dodgy:
Title: RE: Ballot... Are they on Drugs?
Post by: seedyrom on August 28, 2017, 06:38:18 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='111098' dateline='1503906968'The "Packkyboxitis" Mob will go Nuts over this, Me Not so much :angel:
The sales spiel goes on to say;
QuoteThis unique set features the 2017 $1 'C' Mintmark Uncirculated Coin – Centenary of the Trans-Australian Railway. This coin is normally only available from the Mint's Visitor Press in Canberra and is not available for sale through our eShop or Mint Issue catalogues.
This is BS as the "C" mintmark is available in the 4 coin $1 set.
I don't want to be a pedant, but isn't it a Privy mark on the 4 coin set? which is different to a counter stamp?
Or are they both counted as "mint marks".

The picture below is of the Sydney counter stamp and privy marks. I haven't checked what the 'c' actually looks like. Will take a photo later.

(http://users.tpg.com.au/vtcalais/IMG_0647.JPG)
Title: RE: Ballot... Are they on Drugs?
Post by: Fulvio on August 28, 2017, 06:49:39 PM
Quote from: 'seedyrom' pid='111101' dateline='1503911298'Or are they both counted as "mint marks".

Well, yes and no.

'Mint marks' are supposed to identify the producing mint. So C, P, M for the aussie mints.

'Counterstamps', such as produced by the portable presses at various locations, are sort of mintmarks, but not really. They may indeed signify the location, M, S, B, A, P for the various cities, but then you have E and G, which IMO were pretty meaningless.

'Privy marks' I think are a massive con. They're a marketing excercise, designed to make you buy the same coin in multiple different configurations. Exactly the same as what Australia Post has been doing with stamps for decades now.

I wouldn't classify these 1,500 sets as mintmarked. Privy marked, yeah, at best.
Title: RE: Ballot... Are they on Drugs?
Post by: trout on August 28, 2017, 06:54:09 PM
QuoteI don't want to be a pedant, but isn't it a Privy mark on the 4 coin set? which is different to a counter stamp?
Or are they both counted as "mint marks".

"B" "M" and "S" are Privy marks, The "C" is a Mintmark it is printed next to each coin in the 4 coin folder :ok:

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/mintmarks.jpg)
Title: RE: Ballot... Are they on Drugs?
Post by: Hercules on August 28, 2017, 07:47:46 PM
What the hell are we talking about? I just checked my email, and I can't see any information about a ballot. :dontknow:
Title: RE: Ballot... Are they on Drugs?
Post by: trout on August 28, 2017, 07:51:13 PM
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='111104' dateline='1503915466'What the hell are we talking about? I just checked my email, and I can't see any information about a ballot. :dontknow:

Are you a "Legend" member?
Title: RE: Ballot... Are they on Drugs?
Post by: Hercules on August 28, 2017, 07:58:34 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='111105' dateline='1503915673'
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='111104' dateline='1503915466'What the hell are we talking about? I just checked my email, and I can't see any information about a ballot. :dontknow:

Are you a "Legend" member?

Nup. I guess that explains it. I thought the mint was doing this. :laugh2:
Title: RE: Ballot... Are they on Drugs?
Post by: autocoupler on August 28, 2017, 08:28:45 PM
Don't discount the possibility of unique edge milling segmentation for the Trans C MM coin, after all is said and done, the collar die is the third die used in the minting process.

Even if the Trans C MM dollar happens to be just a refugee from the four coin set mintage, a six coin set that displays a Trans C MM coin having unique edge milling segmentation when compared to the other 1499 sets, might be a goer.

So, it's not just about the packaging, although, a specific thread for reporting and sharing edge milling positions will need to be enacted. That's assuming all ballot winners are forum members, of course :angel:;)
Title: RE: Ballot... Are they on Drugs?
Post by: seedyrom on August 28, 2017, 09:37:20 PM
Well there you go. Thanks for that. I should learn to read better.

Those privy sets do appear to be a bit farcical

(http://users.tpg.com.au/vtcalais/0ABCA799-CA57-4A0A-AE36-66C73AC6F3AB.jpeg)
Title: RE: Ballot... Are they on Drugs?
Post by: jens coins on August 28, 2017, 09:47:20 PM
Last years ballot coin had the C Privy.
Like trout says the $1 C Privy is available in the 4 coin set.

Last year they cost $15 + $10 postage.
The packaging this year seems to protect the coins better than last years version.
Title: RE: Ballot... Are they on Drugs?
Post by: Hercules on August 29, 2017, 02:00:16 PM
Quote from: 'seedyrom' pid='111109' dateline='1503922040'Those privy sets do appear to be a bit farcical

That's why I don't buy them. They're just a blatant cash grab.
Title: RE: Ballot... Are they on Drugs?
Post by: purplepennyhunter on August 30, 2017, 07:42:15 AM
Ballot info (https://www.ramint.gov.au/2017-six-coin-uncirculated-year-set-legends-ballot)

Legend membership (https://www.ramint.gov.au/legends)