A 2015 $1 ANZAC P counterstamp is listed in the 2015/16 annual report with a mintage of 2746, I can not find this coin anywhere. Does anyone know of its existence?
I think it's this coin https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/361257458677 but with Perth mintmark
I am not absolutely certain But didn't that coin have the "AL" counterstamp that year for Albany WA and No "P" counterstamp?
The Albany coins used "AL" for the counterstamp, because "A" was already taken by Adelaide. Assuming that a "P" counterstamp was issued, it was probably released during the Royal Perth Show, because that seems to be the pattern with the other mintmarks and counterstamps. Does anyone know whether the mint was at the Royal Perth Show in 2015? Are there any other reasons the mint would have gone to Perth? :dontknow:
Here's a picture of the Albany coin:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11527/s-l300.jpg)
Do you think that this is what the mint's talking about?
By the way, the Albany coins were dated 2014, whereas the ones in the annual report were dated 2015, so it's back to the drawing board.
My best guess is that they did come from the Royal Perth Show, and that they looked like the ones CoinSydney linked to. After all, they're listed next to ones with "B" and "M" counterstamps, which clearly came from the Royal Queensland Show (Ekka) and the Royal Melbourne Show, respectively.
Going by posts by the mint on there website at the time and my sketchy memory...they were going to Perth but it was around the same time as the Melbourne show. I think they only have one portable press so they could not be both Perth and Melbourne at the same time.
I am not sure if the mobile press went to the Perth show, I am thinking that it didn't and was at Albany only that year :ok:
Maybe it is this coin:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2015-UNC-RAM-1-ANZAC-SPIRIT-LIVES-COUNTERSTAMP-COIN-ON-CARD-/232224591792?hash=item3611aa0fb0:g:y~UAAOSwEzxYY0Ix
Instead of P it might be MAP?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='109525' dateline='1498039380'I am not sure if the mobile press went to the Perth show, I am thinking that it didn't and was at Albany only that year :ok:
The Albany coin is listed in the 2014/15 annual report, not the 2015/16 one.
Another possibility is that the "P" counterstamp coins came from the ANDA show. Did anyone go to the 2015 Perth one and remember seeing them?
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='109529' dateline='1498042713'Quote from: 'trout' pid='109525' dateline='1498039380'I am not sure if the mobile press went to the Perth show, I am thinking that it didn't and was at Albany only that year :ok:
The Albany coin is listed in the 2014/15 annual report, not the 2015/16 one.
2015 Kangaroo Privymark 'P' Perth ($1) One Dollar Australian Decimal Coin ANDA Perth Coin Show Issue I suspect :idea:
QuoteThe Albany coin is listed in the 2014/15 annual report, not the 2015/16 one.
Is the "P" counterstamp coin listed on either the 2014/15 or the 2015/16 report?
Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='109517' dateline='1498026291'A 2015 $1 ANZAC P counterstamp is listed in the 2015/16 annual report with a mintage of 2746, I can not find this coin anywhere. Does anyone know of its existence?
The 2015 P's I have are MoR. That's what we were selling at the ANDA show. Never seen or heard of ANZACs.
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='109533' dateline='1498044867'Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='109517' dateline='1498026291'A 2015 $1 ANZAC P counterstamp is listed in the 2015/16 annual report with a mintage of 2746, I can not find this coin anywhere. Does anyone know of its existence?
The 2015 P's I have are MoR. That's what we were selling at the ANDA show. Never seen or heard of ANZACs.
Who is "we" Fulvio I don't think you represent ANDA :idea:
Here are all the ANZAC coins listed in the last two annual reports that have counterstamps:
2014/15 Annual Report - Page 99
Type: $1 uncirculated centenary anzac m counterstamp
Year: 2015
Item Code: 310629
Qty Produced: 2287
Mintage: unlimited
Type: $1 uncirculated centenary anzac b counterstamp
Year: 2015
Item Code: 310630
Qty Produced: 4004
Mintage: unlimited
Type: $1 uncirculated centenary anzac s counterstamp
Year: 2015
Item Code: 310631
Qty Produced: 9973
Mintage: unlimited
2014/15 Annual Report - Page 102
Type: $1 uncirculated 100 years of anzac al counterstamp
Year: 2014
Item Code: 510723
Qty Produced: 14 913
Mintage: 15 000
Type: $1 uncirculated 100 years of anzac m counterstamp
Year: 2014
Item Code: 510724
Qty Produced: 11 292
Mintage: 15 000
2015/16 Annual Report - Page 101
Coin Type: $1 uncirculated centenary anzac p counterstamp
Year: 2015
Item Code: 310628
Qty Produced: 2746
Mintage: unlimited
Coin Type: $1 uncirculated centenary anzac m counterstamp
Year: 2015
Item Code: 310629
Qty Produced: 3503
Mintage: unlimited
Coin Type: $1 uncirculated centenary anzac b counterstamp
Year: 2015
Item Code: 310630
Qty Produced: 1809
Mintage: unlimited
2015/16 Annual Report - Page 107
Coin Type: $1 circulating 100 years of anzac australia map counterstamp
Year: 2016
Item Code: 510927
Qty Produced: 5004
Mintage: unlimited
PS: What happened to the 2015 100 Years of ANZAC $1 with the "Australia Map" counterstamp? Why isn't it listed in the annual reports? :dontknow:
PS: What happened to the 2015 100 Years of ANZAC $1 with the "Australia Map" counterstamp? Why isn't it listed in the annual reports?
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Don't know if this is going to help or just make this thread more complicated, but this is what I know about the 2015 "Australia Map" counterstamp.
As part of the 50th anniversary of decimal currency celebrations, the RAM visited a number of regional centres spanning southern New South Wales, Victoria and Tasmania. The RAM's popup tent featured a number of special issues for sale as well as the mobile press. Collectors were able to personally counterstamp the special mark for The Changeover Tour - the outline of Australia - onto the 2015 $1 Circulating 100 Years of Anzac Coin. Regions included in The Changeover Tour included Albury, Bendigo, Ballarat, Melbourne, Launceston and Hobart. Other coins on offer included the 2015 $2 Circulating Lest We Forget Coloured Coin; the 2015 $2 Circulating Remembrance Day Coloured Coin and the 2015 50c Circulating 50th Anniversary of Decimal Currency Coin. The latter were available at face value in $10 mint bags.
Don't have any details on the other coins mentioned. I'm guessing that it might be the result of some confusion back at RAM HQ. It should be remembered that a lot of people working at the mint are not hard-core collectors, just like a dental receptionist isn't likely to be let loose with a pair of pliers. No offence intended, but there are so many recent issues with similar sounding names it's hardly surprising that there can be errors. It's hard enough these days for even avid collectors to work out the differences. This sort of problem is across the board. Updating the PNC section for my next book was a nightmare with multiple overprints available for different days at the same fairs to different coloured envelopes being used for fair issues as opposed to the general issues. Many Perth Mint coins are now available as high relief; gilt, coloured, plain, coin fair and special one-off mintmarks. The list is almost endless. Seems like a long time ago when there was just one commemorative issue during the entire pre-decimal QEII reign. Say what you like about the amount of new issues coming onto the market but you have to give credit to both mints for the unfailing superb quaility of these issues and the creativity of the artists and designers. I think we should start being serious about finding a Tasmanian Tiger, Bunyip or the Blue Mountains black panther. I just cannot imagine just how many poses or positions can be left to illustrate the usual suspects such as the Kooka, Koala or Kangaroo. We must be getting to the point that the only thing left is a series on 'road kill."
Quote from: 'Greg McDonald' pid='109538' dateline='1498054400'We must be getting to the point that the only thing left is a series on 'road kill."
As usual, ACF is ahead of the game and there has been a roadkill series on the go here for some time :biggrin:
Pedro
Thanks for the info Greg. I was hoping you'd be able to shed some light on this, but you seem to be just as confused as the rest of us. Perhaps this will become another mystery like the 1992 MoR $1. :good:
I would think that it will be an absolute nightmare for new collectors in a couple of decades sorting out the multitudes of different coins, mintmarks and counterstamps that have been churned out of the Mint over the last few years :angel:
So the consensus is
Coin Type: $1 uncirculated centenary anzac p counterstamp
Year: 2015
Item Code: 310628
Qty Produced: 2746
Mintage: unlimited
Does not exist?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='109549' dateline='1498101102'I would think that it will be an absolute nightmare for new collectors in a couple of decades sorting out the multitudes of different coins, mintmarks and counterstamps that have been churned out of the Mint over the last few years :angel:
That is why I keep my own master list. No offence to greg and renniks here but I have always found the dollar coin section of both books all over the shop. It is hard to find a concise list because off all the counterstamps etc and different packaging types of the same coin. A nightmare for a publisher
Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='109550' dateline='1498101407'So the consensus is
Coin Type: $1 uncirculated centenary anzac p counterstamp
Year: 2015
Item Code: 310628
Qty Produced: 2746
Mintage: unlimited
Does not exist?
I have just checked my spreadsheet of report numbers where I do all my adding up over multiple fiscal years. That entry is in bold red and I have a note to myself that this coin does not exist. I must have come to this conclusion also at some time!!
My official reply to an email to the RAM
Good afternoon Shane
Thank you for contacting the Royal Australian Mint.
I can confirm the 2015 $1 AlBr Uncirculated ANZAC Centenary: 'P' Counterstamp Coin was produced.
Should you require further assistance please reply to this email or contact me on xxxxxxxx.
Kind Regards
Tamara
Wholesale Liaison Officer
Royal Australian Mint
I obviously asked a few more questions about this so will post their reply.
I'll be interested to hear what they say. From that response they have looked at the report and you got the standard answer.
Quote from: 'coinsydney' pid='109519' dateline='1498027484'I think it's this coin https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/361257458677 but with Perth mintmark
I have to disagree on this one.
I have all the $1 Alum Br carded coin and the "P" one of this is not one of them.
I have to agree strongly with PPH and several others that the "P" coin does not exist.
I have just sent the RAM an email asking them to send me two of the coins if they do exist or to have someone correct Tamara's response.
I will post any reply/response I get.
I am prety sure that there was No mobile press at the 2015 Perth coin show.
Quote from: 'runway' pid='109531' dateline='1498042888'Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='109529' dateline='1498042713'Quote from: 'trout' pid='109525' dateline='1498039380'I am not sure if the mobile press went to the Perth show, I am thinking that it didn't and was at Albany only that year :ok:
The Albany coin is listed in the 2014/15 annual report, not the 2015/16 one.
2015 Kangaroo Privymark 'P' Perth ($1) One Dollar Australian Decimal Coin ANDA Perth Coin Show Issue I suspect :idea:
That's what I feel as well, it's about the same quantity that they normally sell of these coins at their shows. I don't remember the potable press being there
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/interest88/perth-p_zps1s4sm0sj.jpg)
Maybe RAM is confusing the 2015 MOR "P" privy mark coin with the "P" counterstamp coin?
Anyway getting accurate and truthful information out of RAM is like getting blood from a stone :dash1:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='109587' dateline='1498227889'Maybe RAM is confusing the 2015 MOR "P" privy mark coin with the "P" counterstamp coin?
Anyway getting accurate and truthful information out of RAM is like getting blood from a stone :dash1:
That's exactly what I'm thinking.
They don't sell those Privy mark carded coins & have the mobile press at the same venue. Do they?
I think it is probably a case of mistaken identity.
Has anyone checked the determinations to see if an Anzac p cs was approved?
Annett Power of VP coins was the co ordinator for all ANDA shows up until last year, and she would always kindly keep aside any Collectable dollar coin from the various shows for their customers. I don't have a 2015 P counterstamp, there is no evidence to say that one exists, so I'm happy to say they don't exist.
Good afternoon Shane
Thank you for your patience.
I have been provided the below information regarding the 2015 'P' Counterstamp Coin.
The Royal Australian Mint manufactured 4 counterstamp versions of the 2015 $1 AlBr Uncirculated ANZAC Centenary Coin for various events around Australia.
A 2015 $1 AlBr Uncirculated ANZAC Centenary: 'P' Counterstamp Coin was produced with the intention of selling them exclsuively at the Perth Show that year, however the Royal Australian Mint's appearance at the 2015 Perth Show did not eventuate, and subsequently the 2015 $1 AlBr Uncirculated ANZAC Centenary: 'P' Counterstamp Coins produced by the Mint were not released.
These coins were recycled into aluminium bronze blanks for future coin production requirements.
Kind Regards
Tamara
Wholesale Liaison Officer
Royal Australian Mint
So now we will all be looking to see if any of the new $1 coins are "Overstamps" of the 2015 coins :)
What's the use of the mobile press if these were pre stamped well before the show took place.
Thanks, Shane.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='109830' dateline='1499067887'So now we will all be looking to see if any of the new $1 coins are "Overstamps" of the 2015 coins :)
Nup. Aluminium bronze blanks don't have overstamps.
Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='109831' dateline='1499070098'What's the use of the mobile press if these were pre stamped well before the show took place.
I think the only reason they prestamped them was because the Melbourne and Perth shows coincide, and the mobile press was in Melbourne that week.
Finally, Shane, are you able to determine why the mintage of the 2015 ANZAC: The Spirit Lives "Australia" counterstamp coin isn't listed in the annual reports?
QuoteNup. Aluminium bronze blanks don't have overstamps.
If the unwanted/needed Perth countestamps were simply chucked into the vat of blanks then we indeed will have overstamps :ok:
Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='109831' dateline='1499070098'What's the use of the mobile press if these were pre stamped well before the show took place.
I have only been to one Perth coin show and they had to lines at the RAM counter. First lane you could wait in a long line to mint your own coin. Second line you could go straight to the counter and buy the same coin without waiting. :)
Quote from: 'Triggersmob' pid='109836' dateline='1499078462'Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='109831' dateline='1499070098'What's the use of the mobile press if these were pre stamped well before the show took place.
I have only been to one Perth coin show and they had to lines at the RAM counter. First lane you could wait in a long line to mint your own coin. Second line you could go straight to the counter and buy the same coin without waiting. :)
RAM often do it with the mobile press coins
I received today the following from the RAM re the 2015 "P" Counterstamp $1 ANZAC:
Interalia:
Thank you for contacting the Royal Australian Mint.
I understand your enquiry relates to 2015 $1 AlBr Uncirculated ANZAC Centenary: 'P' Counterstamp.
The Royal Australian Mint manufactured 4 counterstamp versions of the 2015 $1 AlBr Uncirculated ANZAC Centenary Coin for various events around Australia.
A 2015 $1 AlBr Uncirculated ANZAC Centenary: 'P' Counterstamp Coin was produced with the intention of selling them exclusively at the Perth Show that year, however the Royal Australian Mint's appearance at the 2015 Perth Show did not eventuate, and subsequently the 2015 $1 AlBr Uncirculated ANZAC Centenary: 'P' Counterstamp Coins produced by the Mint were not released.
These coins were recycled into aluminium bronze blanks for future coin production requirements.
Unquote.
That reply should be an end to this discussion.
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='109853' dateline='1499144501'I received today the following from the RAM re the 2015 "P" Counterstamp $1 ANZAC:
Interalia:
Thank you for contacting the Royal Australian Mint.
I understand your enquiry relates to 2015 $1 AlBr Uncirculated ANZAC Centenary: 'P' Counterstamp.
The Royal Australian Mint manufactured 4 counterstamp versions of the 2015 $1 AlBr Uncirculated ANZAC Centenary Coin for various events around Australia.
A 2015 $1 AlBr Uncirculated ANZAC Centenary: 'P' Counterstamp Coin was produced with the intention of selling them exclusively at the Perth Show that year, however the Royal Australian Mint's appearance at the 2015 Perth Show did not eventuate, and subsequently the 2015 $1 AlBr Uncirculated ANZAC Centenary: 'P' Counterstamp Coins produced by the Mint were not released.
These coins were recycled into aluminium bronze blanks for future coin production requirements.
Unquote.
That reply should be an end to this discussion.
Yep....same reply as I got as per page 3 of this post. Looks like the RAM can copy and paste!
Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='109855' dateline='1499147205'Yep....same reply as I got as per page 3 of this post. Looks like the RAM can copy and paste!
Considering the number of emails they get each day, I'm not surprised. I reckon they have a bunch of "standard" responses that they continually reuse, which have been carefully vetted by their legal team.
I could be wrong but as far as I know these are the only 100 Years of Anzac coins released so far. Totaling 8
2014 - Standard circulating coin
2014 - Albany (AL) counterstamp
2014 - Melbourne (M) counterstamp
2015 - Standard circulating coin
2015 - Spirit Lives Australia Map counterstamp
2016 - Standard circulating coin
2016 - Changeover Tour Australia Map counterstamp
2017 - Standard circulating coin
There will be a 2018 Standard one I presume, plus counterstamps etc.
Mike
Thanks for your contribution, Mike. We were actually talking about the ANZAC Centenary coin (http://www.australian-coins.com/complete-guide-australian-1-dollar-1-coins/2015-dollar-coin-anzac-centenary-100-years-remember-gallipoli-landings/), which was struck with a "P" counterstamp for the Perth Royal Show in 2015, but was never actually sold there, and was later melted down to make other coins. We thought the mint might have confused it with the 2015 (http://www.australian-coins.com/complete-guide-australian-1-dollar-1-coins/2015-100-years-anzac-circulating-dollar/) 100 Years of ANZAC: The Spirit Lives (http://www.australian-coins.com/blog/2014/02/2014-circulation-dollar-anzac-centenary.html) coin, but further investigation shows that this wasn't the case.
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='110633' dateline='1502061779'Thanks for your contribution, Mike. We were actually talking about the ANZAC Centenary coin (http://www.australian-coins.com/complete-guide-australian-1-dollar-1-coins/2015-dollar-coin-anzac-centenary-100-years-remember-gallipoli-landings/), which was struck with a "P" counterstamp for the Perth Royal Show in 2015, but was never actually sold there, and was later melted down to make other coins. We thought the mint might have confused it with the 2015 (http://www.australian-coins.com/complete-guide-australian-1-dollar-1-coins/2015-100-years-anzac-circulating-dollar/) 100 Years of ANZAC: The Spirit Lives (http://www.australian-coins.com/blog/2014/02/2014-circulation-dollar-anzac-centenary.html) coin, but further investigation shows that this wasn't the case.
Sorry Hercules . . Got my coins mixed up. Apologies. :angel:
With that particular $1 coin I believe these are the only ones round ....
Anzac Centenary - (C) Public Press at the RAM
Out of the 4 coin mint set
Anzac Centenary - (C) Mintmark
Anzac Centenary - (B) Privymark
Anzac Centenary - (M) Privymark
Anzac Centenary - (S) Privymark
Then this one.
Anzac Centenary - (B) Counterstamp
Mike
^^^PLUS "S" and "M" Counterstamp^^^
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='110680' dateline='1502144327'^^^PLUS "S" and "M" Counterstamp^^^
Thanks Goldseeker . . I didn't know about them . . will have to chase them up.
Cheers Mike