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Australian Coins, Banknotes and Exonumia => Australian Pre-Decimal Coins => Topic started by: gnome on May 23, 2017, 12:51:17 PM

Title: 1861 Half Sovereign
Post by: gnome on May 23, 2017, 12:51:17 PM
Out of my normal comfort zone with half sovs/sovs and need some help, please.
Reading the 22nd edition of Maccas, there is mention of a 61/0 overdate.
Recent pickup for my typeset, pretty worn, average condition.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10012/DSCF5903_edited.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10012/DSCF5893_edited_edited.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10012/1861_0_hsov_edited.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10012/s-l1600a1_edited.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10012/s-l1600_edited.jpg)

Would this be the overdate version of the 61/0 half sov. My eyes are not what they were a few years ago. Seeing things aren't always the clearest now :)
Title: RE: 1861 Half Sovereign
Post by: gnome on May 23, 2017, 04:09:11 PM
The only other mentions I could find were in the pop report with some pictures
http://www.pcgs.com/pop/valueview.aspx?s=519377
Title: RE: 1861 Half Sovereign
Post by: echidna on May 23, 2017, 04:20:14 PM
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With some half sovs its easier to ID a coin using the obverse legends especially the placement of the colons.
The placement is different depending on the date or variety.
Eg the top colon after D:G is different compared to an overdate so I'd say its probably the regular version.
Title: RE: 1861 Half Sovereign
Post by: gnome on May 23, 2017, 04:45:56 PM
Thanks, :) that's what I was looking for, some sort of markers or identification.

Just noticed a bit of a difference on the pcgs pictures, on the reverse sides.
The VG10 example has one berry/Large blob above the V in SOV, while it looks like the VF 25 example has 2 berries/Large blobs above the SOV ,.
Damaged Ribbons perhaps.
Title: RE: 1861 Half Sovereign
Post by: Basil on May 24, 2017, 09:45:22 AM
Not related but i came across this on the W/end. whilst wasting time looking for 1930 penny articles.
Looks like he was correct as its in Macca's now.

 (http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/IMG~4.jpg)
Title: RE: 1861 Half Sovereign
Post by: gnome on May 24, 2017, 11:40:39 AM
Cheers for that Basil, working on some better pics at the moment. Hope to have some clearer images shortly, :)

Testing some new images, :) tried a new camera setup.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10012/DSCF5969_edited.jpg)
   (http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10012/DSCF5971_edited.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10012/DSCF5968_edited_edited_edited.jpg)
Think the pics are getting better, some more minor adjustments, should be good as gold :)
Title: RE: 1861 Half Sovereign
Post by: wwwww on May 25, 2017, 11:32:12 AM
It's not an overdate, the 1861/0 is a pretty clear overdate. We had one here:
https://numisbid.com.au/Browse/NumisBid_Auction_@64/Gold_Coins/Australia_Sydney_Mint_Type_II_186160_Overdate_Half_Sovereign_40939
Title: RE: 1861 Half Sovereign
Post by: gnome on May 25, 2017, 03:17:08 PM
Ok thanks. :)
Title: RE: 1861 Half Sovereign
Post by: gnome61 on November 28, 2023, 09:40:02 AM
I have updated some more images, this is the same coin I was asking about, previously. I have viewed these images on a large tv as well, and I am still unsure. A majority have said it isn't, but these newer images suggest there may be something there. The 8 definitely shows signs , and assuming then the 6 would also have an underlying 6 below it, then the chances are there is probably either another 1 or a 0 underneath the last number as well. Just my logic, could another modified die have been used as well.                                                                                                                                                     (https://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/12047/519/IMG_9136~0.JPG)  
(https://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/12047/519/IMG_9103a1_-_Copy.JPG) (https://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/12047/519/IMG_9082a3.JPG)(https://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/12047/519/IMG_9104a3.JPG)
(https://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/12047/519/IMG_9104a4.JPG)
(https://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/12047/519/IMG_9104a5.JPG)
Title: RE: 1861 Half Sovereign
Post by: gnome61 on November 28, 2023, 09:42:51 AM
There are more images in my gallery.
(https://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/12047/519/IMG_9122a1.JPG)
Title: RE: 1861 Half Sovereign
Post by: echidna on November 28, 2023, 11:06:29 AM
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The placement of the colons must be the same.
The top dot after D:G looks a bit low.
Also the colon after REG looks slightly different to me.
Title: RE: 1861 Half Sovereign
Post by: gnome61 on November 28, 2023, 12:42:29 PM
Thanks Echi,  :) it doesn't match the die markers for the 1861/0 known examples.