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Australian Coins, Banknotes and Exonumia => Australian Pre-Decimal Coins => Topic started by: p.gee on February 07, 2017, 11:46:32 AM

Title: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: p.gee on February 07, 2017, 11:46:32 AM
Some of the coins in one of the collections we purchased has been harshly cleaned and scratched.  This is one of the more expensive coins that has been damaged. Does this coin still have any value? Can anything be done to improve the look?
Thanks P.G.
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Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: trout on February 07, 2017, 12:33:34 PM
That is some pretty nasty cleaning on that coin.
Not much can be done here :(
Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: ausjack on February 07, 2017, 01:02:24 PM
Yes what a shame but one would think there'd still have to be some sort of value in it. So the scratches would still show if it had a little dip :scratch_one-s_head:
Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: stevo1962 on February 07, 2017, 02:38:47 PM
You might be better off just dumping it on ebay and recouping what you can.A serious
collector won't want to have much to do with such a damaged coin unfortunately
Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: JeffH on February 07, 2017, 03:00:35 PM
What a pity. Such a nice coin (8 pearls and lovely fine detail) otherwise. I think Stevo's advice is sound and it will probably fetch a reasonable price on eBay -just make sure you mention it has been cleaned to prevent any repercussions.
Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: Fulvio on February 07, 2017, 05:49:13 PM
It really is sad when someone tries to 'improve' a coin and stuffs it up like this.

All you can do is tell it like it is, and either hold it (it IS otherwise gorgeous, after all) or sell it for whatever you can get. There certainly are people who would buy it, perhaps as a placeholder. Just be sure that they understand the condition.
Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: serial on February 07, 2017, 06:00:58 PM
You should still get $100 for it. It would make a good gap filler. If you do list on eBay put a lunk up here. I would bid on it for a push in set I want to complete
Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: p.gee on February 08, 2017, 10:55:36 AM
Thanks everyone for your help. I have never sold anything on ebay before but it does seem like the best place to sell cheaper coins. We have a lot of multiples of the same coins (including 3 of these so far) having acquired multiple collections, so I will definitely give it a go once I've worked out which ones to sell.
Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: nealeffendi on February 08, 2017, 11:34:01 AM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='105002' dateline='1486452658'You should still get $100 for it. It would make a good gap filler. If you do list on eBay put a lunk up here. I would bid on it for a push in set I want to complete

That grade/condition goes for over $200 on eBay. I bid on at least 50/year Centenary florins and I never win on coins in this condition as I don't value them as highly as others do.
Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: Hercules on February 08, 2017, 01:43:05 PM
With such a low mintage, I would have thought that coin would be valuable in ANY condition. It's like asking whether a damaged $1/10c 2000 mule is valuable. People will still pay big money for it no matter what condition it's in. :grin:
Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: trout on February 09, 2017, 12:28:41 AM
This one sold in December for $272.26.
Even though yours is harshly cleaned I would think that it is a better coin than this one.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FLORIN-VICTORIA-CENTENARY-1934-35-WITH-SHAVED-EDGE-LA-/152352794680?hash=item2378ef2838%3Ag%3AxegAAOSwRMRYTgnj&nma=true&si=zSA00hfG9wHZFp3RbrlLNpVAvwM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: nealeffendi on February 09, 2017, 12:48:37 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='105051' dateline='1486562321'This one sold in December for $272.26.
Even though yours is harshly cleaned I would think that it is a better coin than this one.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FLORIN-VICTORIA-CENTENARY-1934-35-WITH-SHAVED-EDGE-LA-/152352794680?hash=item2378ef2838%3Ag%3AxegAAOSwRMRYTgnj&nma=true&si=zSA00hfG9wHZFp3RbrlLNpVAvwM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

Paying that sort of a price for a filler is silly. I pick up raw Unc examples for under $400 and there are graded MS64 from about $500 and MS65 from under $1,000.
Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: trout on February 09, 2017, 01:27:16 AM
Yes it is a silly price But that is what some people will pay for these even though they are rather ratty :angel:
Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: r9453 on February 09, 2017, 04:12:25 AM
I reckon it's worth about $300 on Ebay (minus final fees etc). Assuming it's genuine, I don't think it's filler. To me, filler is a replica or say an English 1930 penny. If this coin is filler then everything except the top pop coins are filler.
Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: Hercules on February 09, 2017, 09:10:06 AM
I bet the person who damaged this coin would be really kicking themselves. :dash1:
Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: trout on February 09, 2017, 09:21:22 AM
Quoteeverything except the top pop coins are filler.

For the vast majority of collectors this is Not the case and Many of us Including myself have many pretty average coins in our collections especially the pre decimals.
Yes it would be nice to have everything at MS64 and above But for most of us that is just a pipe dream.
Personally I am quite happy to have average circulated coins in my collections because that is all that I can afford and I like them which is the most important thing. :)
Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: markn on February 09, 2017, 09:22:36 AM
I'd think your coin would still be worth $200-$300.  It's certainly nicer than that cancerous one that got $270.
Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: p.gee on February 09, 2017, 11:00:48 AM
Thanks for the price guide everyone.

 That is one ugly coin Trout for $270 but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I assume the obsession to complete a set can be almost overwhelming at times.

Quote from: 'r9453' pid='105055' dateline='1486575745'I reckon it's worth about $300 on Ebay (minus final fees etc). Assuming it's genuine.

 I hadn"t thought of that. I hope our coins are all real.I don't know when counterfeit coins became common but I would imagine they have been copied for as long as they have been valuable. I understand all of the coins we have were collected pre 1990 and most well before that so I hope that lessens the chance of a copy turning up.
Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: Fulvio on February 09, 2017, 03:48:47 PM
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='105069' dateline='1486593606'I bet the person who damaged this coin would be really kicking themselves. :dash1:

Heh. Remember the guy who destroyed the 1850 Double Eagle? Quarter million dollar stuffup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk0F_sQY-kM
Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: p.gee on February 09, 2017, 04:22:13 PM
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='105069' dateline='1486593606'I bet the person who damaged this coin would be really kicking themselves. :dash1:

He's no longer with us but his handy work lives on.
Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: Hercules on February 09, 2017, 06:00:48 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='105093' dateline='1486617527'
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='105069' dateline='1486593606'I bet the person who damaged this coin would be really kicking themselves. :dash1:

Heh. Remember the guy who destroyed the 1850 Double Eagle? Quarter million dollar stuffup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk0F_sQY-kM

That guy has... sorry had... lots of money, but no brains.  :shok:
Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: wwwww on February 10, 2017, 12:09:55 PM
Your coin still has value, have a read here:
http://www.numismatics.com.au/Blog/Coin_Cleaning_-_Your_Questions_answered

It's an article I wrote about 7 years ago, the images are dead but otherwise it's still valid, the main point to draw from this is "The effect of cleaning on a coin's value is highly dependent on where the coin derives its value from."

Cleaning destroys a coin's condition but your coin derives most of its value from its scarcity so it still retains a lot of value (probably around $250). Given it's circulated it probably didn't have too much more value than that to begin with.

On the other hand if I took an MS68 1962 threepence, a coin $2000 which derives nearly all of its value from its condition then cleaned it,  it'll be worth under $1.
Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: trout on February 10, 2017, 01:01:18 PM
I have read where people carry these sort of harshly cleaned coins around in their pockets for a year or so in the hope of replicating normal circulation to lessen the harshness of the cleaning scratches/marks.
I am not sure how successful this is But I don't suppose it would do any more harm.
Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: Hercules on February 10, 2017, 01:11:55 PM
Another good example is the 1966 Wavy 20c vs. the 1981 3½ Claw 20c. The Wavy 20c derives most of its value from its scarcity, whereas the 3½ Claw 20c derives most of its value from its condition. Hence, cleaning an almost uncirculated Wavy 20c will do much less to lower its value than cleaning an almost uncirculated 3½ Claw 20c.

However, that's not to say that you should go out and clean the first Wavy that you find. On the contrary, you should keep it in the condition that you found it in, because I (and most other coin collectors) won't pay extra for damaged coins. If you must clean it, then get it done by a professional. :winkextra:
Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: Unicorn on February 10, 2017, 01:19:32 PM
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='105124' dateline='1486694515'If you must clean it, then get it done by a professional. :winkextra:

Dry dry ......

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Title: RE: Is It Over For This Coin?
Post by: Fulvio on February 10, 2017, 02:08:19 PM
I hear AJ Trout Mint has branched out into coin cleaning services...

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