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Title: 1920 Penny London obv. dot above bottom scroll
Post by: autocoupler on January 19, 2017, 02:04:07 PM
Noticed this die crack across the corner of D in FD on the scarcer dot above bottom scroll London obv. penny. Looks like something going on at the bottom of F and X as well.

   (http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/IMG_3648.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/IMG_3649.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/IMG_3646.JPG)
Title: RE: 1920 Penny London obv. dot above bottom scroll
Post by: Unicorn on January 19, 2017, 02:18:23 PM
Good eyes Auto! :good: Lovely clear photos with the last one really showing it well.
Title: RE: 1920 Penny London obv. dot above bottom scroll
Post by: Basil on January 19, 2017, 08:46:08 PM
Yeah,nice clean dot,any chance of a photo of the full Obverse including rim?..TIA.
Title: RE: 1920 Penny London obv. dot above bottom scroll
Post by: nealeffendi on January 19, 2017, 09:04:24 PM
:drooling::drooling: nice penny, I've never noticed the fault on the X or F as my eyes always go to the D. Are you getting this slabbed?
Title: RE: 1920 Penny London obv. dot above bottom scroll
Post by: autocoupler on January 19, 2017, 11:37:53 PM
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='104140' dateline='1484797703'Good eyes Auto! :good: Lovely clear photos with the last one really showing it well.

Thanks Uni, I managed to catch the old bugger with his cozzies off.:biggrin: Found a tiny spot of green death so gave him a bath in olive oil. As seen by all the fluff :shock: the pic was taken before his rinse in a detergent solution and final flush with demineralised water ;)  

Quote from: 'Basil' pid='104156' dateline='1484820968'Yeah,nice clean dot,any chance of a photo of the full Obverse including rim?..TIA.

No fluff on this one Basil :yahoo:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/IMG_3650.JPG)

Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='104157' dateline='1484822064':drooling::drooling: nice penny, I've never noticed the fault on the X or F as my eyes always go to the D. Are you getting this slabbed?

One day maybe. Tell ya what neal, I'll swap it for the one used in the CAB article you and Fred did  :winkextra:
Title: RE: 1920 Penny London obv. dot above bottom scroll
Post by: nealeffendi on January 19, 2017, 11:52:38 PM
Not a chance my little 8 pearler will be swapped. I won't even part with my spares.
Title: RE: 1920 Penny London obv. dot above bottom scroll
Post by: autocoupler on January 20, 2017, 11:13:03 PM
hehe from my memory of the dot above London coin pictured in that 1920 penny article, I reckon it would easily be the best known, would appreciate a pic if that's possible.

I see the original Geoff Raynes coin is now in Timbertops collection and top of the wazza.
Title: RE: 1920 Penny London obv. dot above bottom scroll
Post by: gnome on January 21, 2017, 07:14:04 AM
I thought goldie purchased that one of Geoff Raines.
Title: RE: 1920 Penny London obv. dot above bottom scroll
Post by: r9453 on January 21, 2017, 07:28:09 AM
I had a look this morning the Timbertop coin (PCGS AU50BN #33169238) is ex Benchmark collection.
Title: RE: 1920 Penny London obv. dot above bottom scroll
Post by: Basil on January 21, 2017, 09:56:51 AM
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='104159' dateline='1484831273'
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='104156' dateline='1484820968'Yeah,nice clean dot,any chance of a photo of the full Obverse including rim?..TIA.

No fluff on this one Basil :yahoo:



Thanks,whats the mintage on these?,must be similar to the dropped 1 Indian?
Title: RE: 1920 Penny London obv. dot above bottom scroll
Post by: autocoupler on January 21, 2017, 09:57:23 AM
No doubt the Geoff Raynes coin has changed hands a few times, it was the coin auctioned on behalf of Jon Saxton by Nobles, and now owned by Timbertop. I think the Benchmark coin may have also been the Fenton coin, but different to the Raynes coin.

Basil, nealeffendi may have an idea on the mintage. Last I heard there were just 20 or so known to exist, but there could easily be more out there. The coin wasn't identified until 2003.

https://www.ngccoin.com/gallery/benchmark.aspx  

http://www.triton.vg/raynes.html
http://www.noble.com.au/auctions/lot/?id=334039
http://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/publishedset.aspx?s=81275
Title: RE: 1920 Penny London obv. dot above bottom scroll
Post by: Basil on January 21, 2017, 10:33:34 AM
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='104191' dateline='1484954843'Basil, nealeffendi may have an idea on the mintage. Last I heard there were just 20 or so known to exist, but there could easily be more out there. The coin wasn't identified until 2003.

Yeah,i had/have a copy of a Pic. of the one found in Perth(2002/3?) but IIRC the Dot was very vague but perhaps i had a bad photo,it should be on my Win 98 or XP Computers,i'll try and find it.
Title: RE: 1920 Penny London obv. dot above bottom scroll
Post by: Mister T on January 21, 2017, 01:01:59 PM
Probably only a few thousand made - there's a survey of bulk pennies somewhere and one was found out of a few thousand (I don't remember the exact numbers).
Title: RE: 1920 Penny London obv. dot above bottom scroll
Post by: echidna on January 21, 2017, 01:13:12 PM
I think they were all released in WA.
Title: RE: 1920 Penny London obv. dot above bottom scroll
Post by: nealeffendi on January 22, 2017, 01:42:23 AM
The Geoff Raynes coin became the Jon Saxton coin, back in 2003 I think Raynes wanted $11,000 for it. It was sold cheaply through Nobles (lot 1600 sold for $2400) and purchased by Strand Coins. Strand had it slabbed and had it advertised on its website at $18,500 IIRC in an AU50 slab. Timbertop must have purchased a few coins from Strand (Mark Greville) as he also got the top 1927 Indian that Strand also had. By chance I went past the Strand Arcade this afternoon and Strand Coins is no longer there.
Fentons coin was VF35 and sold for $3200 as lot 3225.
There are only about 20 examples that I know of and after 13 years of searching by many collectors I'm confident that they are rarer than the 1931 Dropped 1 Indian.
Echidna may be correct about them being released in WA as the most likely mint to strike them was Perth (in 1922) with an old unused reverse from Sydney and a fresh obverse die  struck in 1922.
Title: RE: 1920 Penny London obv. dot above bottom scroll
Post by: autocoupler on January 22, 2017, 06:55:31 PM
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='104230' dateline='1485011543'Timbertop must have purchased a few coins from Strand (Mark Greville) as he also got the top 1927 Indian that Strand also had. By chance I went past the Strand Arcade this afternoon and Strand Coins is no longer there.

That particular 1927 Indian is a lovely penny. I read somewhere recently that Strand Coins had moved, for the life of me I can't remember where I read that :dash1:

This may be a pic of the nealeffendi offender mentioned earlier, courtesy of r9453. Thanks Bob :good: A nice pic from Neal would be great ;)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/1920_effendi.jpg)
Title: RE: 1920 Penny London obv. dot above bottom scroll
Post by: Mister T on January 23, 2017, 09:05:52 PM
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='104258' dateline='1485073531'I read somewhere recently that Strand Coins had moved, for the life of me I can't remember where I read that

It was in another thread - the one about the Wynyard move I think.
Title: RE: 1920 Penny London obv. dot above bottom scroll
Post by: autocoupler on January 24, 2017, 12:24:09 AM
Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='104284' dateline='1485167752'It was in another thread - the one about the Wynyard move I think.

Ónya Mister T, Due to a very small intake of the grape hehe, I will investigate in the morn hic. ;)
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RE: Wynyard Coins Grand Opening Specials
(12-12-2016 09:20 PM)Basil Wrote:  
Gee,nothing lasts forever but they have been in that Arcade since i was at School in the 1960's,i remember back then they had the front glass smashed and Coins taken on at least a couple of occasions.

Yeah the whole arcade tunnel is getting some much needed refurbishment and all the little shops have been slowly clearing out over the past few months. There is a very popular Vietnamese Pho noodle place next door. Sad to see them go.

The new premise is looking good though. A lot more display space. Because it is above ground it now has excellent mobile reception!

Still close enough to Wynyard so they don't have to rename. If they get a good deal when the refurbishment is all done they might move back I am told.

Strand Coins has also moved to Paddington too. One less coin shop in the CBD for lunch time visiting.