did anybody on this forum sent me a letter to my address please .
the letter contained a 4 page brochure from the Bradford exchange with queens Christmas message silver crown set . then part of an envelope with super marine spitfire 80 th anniversary in crown fully layered with 24 carat gold and a picture of the coin , also a crumbled up piece of a book showing important new coin release 1954 royal tour crown ,also hand written underneath was the words .
could you deliver by 7 may please , and signed by an unknown person , , the envelope has my name and address on it but no reply address , and no stamp , just a pre bought envelope and wrong post code ... strange indeed , my first name I use is only used on this forum as far as I know ..
It wasn't Me Mate.
Maybe it is an Aus Post stuff up.
Or another SS package.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='103807' dateline='1484104625'It wasn't Me Mate.
Maybe it is an Aus Post stuff up.
Or another SS package.
I don't think so Jim ,
The missing secret santa present from several years ago before I was organising it?
Hmmm. That seems pretty unlikely.
So no coins just advertising? And you can't read a postmark or date it anyhow? Very strange.
I received an Email from Cotton & Co. yesterday,never had any dealings with them so not sure where they obtained my address.
"Starting 2017 with a BANG!
I hope you and your loved ones had a wonderful Christmas and New Year. The team here are back at it and have some big plans for the year, beginning with an UNRESERVED AUCTION OF PCGS GRADED COINS! The first auction is live with all coins starting at only 99c, Click HERE to get in on the action and see some of the great coins up for auction.
We will being running the same unreserved auction every month, each auction will start on the 1st and finish on the 11th of the month and will feature hundreds of PCGS graded coins. In addition to the PCGS Auctions there will be hundreds of 99c auctions run month long featuring predecimal coins, Royal Australian Mint Product, Perth Mint Products, PNC's all the way through to Bullion. Our aim is to provide you with some of the best deals available.
2017 has also seen the official open of our newly designed eBay Store with over 2000 numismatic products available with plenty more to come. Next up will be our brand spanking new website due to launch in the next two months which will not just feature an amazing range of product but will also be a great resource of numismatic information.
We would also love to hear your feedback if there is anything we can do to improve our service or any other aspect please feel free to email me directly with any inquiries, questions or suggestions for the year to come. Email Me Here
Michael Simpson.".
yes me to basil ,
I received the same email from them 2 days in a row .
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='103857' dateline='1484168237'So no coins just advertising? And you can't read a postmark or date it anyhow? Very strange.
just checked the envelope again under my glass , it shows no cost , just ( postage paid , processed 547 04 jan 17 ) so it is not old ,
I will take pictures today sometime .
this is just the way it arrived ,
does anybody recognise the hand righting ??
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this is just the way it arrived ,
does anybody recognise the hand righting ??
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this is the writing message also .
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Smacks of someone playing "silly buggers" but I can't figure out the purpose.
If other, similar mailings turn up then I would advance a theory.
I'm not sure why but reading this made me think about the travelling garden gnome (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1043552/Gnome-Stolen-garden-elf-returned-7-month-adventure-world.html) phenomenon.
Leave the gnome out of this Jeff, it wasn't me :)
:laugh2: .... 10/10 G!
OK, so, the cancellation is applied at the LAST mail centre before delivery, not the first.
And since 546 is BMC, which I'd take to be Brisbane Mail Centre, and given that 521 and 522 are AMC Adelaide and SA respectively, I would put it as BMC Qld.
Which is great for knowing where it went, but not where it came from. Sorry.
Also, wasn't the 4th your birthday? Perhaps a perverse birthday 'gift'?
QuoteLeave the gnome out of this Jeff, it wasn't me
Sorry, there are other gnomes and you would not be a silly one I am sure.
It certainly has me perplexed as to why someone would send that.
For once I'm at a loss for any sort of reason, silly or otherwise.
Did you ever give out your name & address when you did markets Kel?
strange , very strange , but not to worry , we just went into town to drop a parcel and a couple of bags of cloths of at lifeline for some people that may need them , and bingo another surprise , the clutch on my Holden ute would not come back out when I put in in gear so I had to get a tow truck to bring it back home for me , beauty I am in RACQ so cost nothing , 2 nd time I have used them in over 50 years .
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='103875' dateline='1484193443'It certainly has me perplexed as to why someone would send that.
For once I'm at a loss for any sort of reason, silly or otherwise.
Did you ever give out your name & address when you did markets Kel?
no uni , never gave out my name or address at the markets , and we don't do the markets any more , my wife will do them in winter time maybe , she makes dog coats .
My wife works at an NRMA agent (NSW equivalent of RACQ) and she regularly gets people coming in wanting road service when they are not members.
She offers them the option of joining on the spot which will qualify them for a tow or she will call her boss to talk to them and give them a quote for what is the usual charge for that service.
Some join up and others abuse her. Why would you not be a member with what a tow truck/tilt tray truck charges?
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='103878' dateline='1484200032'Why would you not be a member with what a tow truck/tilt tray truck charges?
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Sitting in my keyboard tray .....
yes i am figuring that 547 is a QLD mail facility
sometimes after we have been to coin shows and filled in the competition forms or the like , I have noticed that we sometimes then get random mail items for auctions, shows etc
Hey Uni,
Don't list that key badge for sale -I would be happy to make a 'buy it now' offer. It is definitely older than any I have. My wife was most impressed as she has not seen that one before.
Just kidding as I suspect it may not be for sale.
She just told me that a couple from Goolagong came in about lunchtime and their Prado was overheating -blown head gasket. They will nearly be at Harrington by now (where they were heading for, near Taree) with Prado on the tilt tray and their caravan behind. No charge as they have the premium membership package.
Again, I say, why would you not join?
ok , how do you get bmc from 547 , ?
and 521 is amc and 522 is sa . I give in , what is the answer .??
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='103882' dateline='1484204272'yes i am figuring that 547 is a QLD mail facility
Robbie how do you work that out , I have never heard of it ,
am I a dunce ? I better sit in the corner , after this one ..
I think A J has a Holden ute , maybe he has had the same sort of trouble ? I will ring him tonight .
Now that's service!!! ...... and just down the road!
I've been a member for around 37 years now and always will be.
The key ring was Mrs Uni's Mum's (God bless her soul), but I will certainly keep it in mind that you're a collector.
Dad was one of the local NRMA men from around 1950 to around 1968 when he started driving (and fixing) the local school bus fleet.
Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='103877' dateline='1484199328'no uni , never gave out my name or address at the markets , and we don't do the markets any more , my wife will do them in winter time maybe , she makes dog coats .
Yes, we gave them away too after I took ill. Did she ever venture down Port Macquarie / Taree way? As I recall a lady that made dog coats at Laurieton & Forster/Tuncurry markets.
no , not for markets , but we love Laurieton .
Jeff do you collect badges ???
I have a lot from my lawn bowls days ..
Is your ute pretty old and has a mechanical "rat trap" mechanism for the clutch?
If so, there is a rod with a ball on each end. When the rod stretches, or moving parts of the whole mechanism wear, the ball can move higher than its supposed to get and then slide sideways out of the end of the clutch peddle.
Then the peddle pops straight to the floor and stays there.
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='103891' dateline='1484213508'Is your ute pretty old and has a mechanical "rat trap" mechanism for the clutch?
If so, there is a rod with a ball on each end. When the rod stretches, or moving parts of the whole mechanism wear, the ball can move higher than its supposed to get and then slide sideways out of the end of the clutch peddle.
Then the peddle pops straight to the floor and stays there.
thanks oz , my ute was bought new 2004 , has only been driven by myself , has only 110000 km,s on the speedo , as most of our driving is done in dawns Toyota Camry , I had a slide on camper on it when we went away , and only had 1 trip to Darwin , and about 5 trips out to Claremont qld , chasing gemstones and red claws , it has never been treated harshly , so I would think nothing has worn out , but thanks for your comments and I will have to get that checked out by a mobile mechanic , it starts ok , I push the clutch in , put in gear , and try to let the clutch out , but it stays down , I can then put my foot under the peddle and pull it up and away we go , but every time I change gears I have to do the same thing , and it is very dangerous I think and how many times do you have to change gears when you go for a drive , many times , so that is not good . ,, kel ,,
If the truck is still driveable then I don't think the clutch itself is buggered, Morelike there is a problem with the pedal mechanisim or the pressure plate I would think.
Normally if the clutch "Slips" if it is worn out and it stinks as well.
I wonder if its the pedal return spring?
Have you read this? http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/archive/index.php/t-86112.html
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I am inclined toward thinking the fork return spring should be checked -might be broken or fallen off.
Is it cable or hydraulic operation on that model?
•Cable; could be binding or kinked
•Hydraulic; could be a seal is misplaced and jamming.
QuoteJeff do you collect badges ?
Not everything Kel but just ones that have some relationship with events in our lives.
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='103938' dateline='1484280503'•Hydraulic; could be a seal is misplaced and jamming.
Seems to be a little misplaced ......
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A member of the Arctic Monkeys perhaps?
don't know what is wrong , it is not a burnt out clutch , I have had one of them when I was younger ,.
I just got in the car , and went around the block and it went perfect ,
I tried to take a pic of it but cant get down enough to see where I am filming , but I think it may be like the pic that fulvio sent , that is my thought also because today it is ok again , but I will not drive it far before I have it looked at , if something happens and some body gets hurt then I would not feel right with that . we are going away up to Toowoomba for the weekend with our family so I will think about on Monday or Tuesday when we get back home .
I would like to thank you all for the messages of help and for fulivo for the picture that he sent .
this is about the best picture I could get .do you think it would hurt to spray some wd 40 around up there with out being able to see where I am spraying ??
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Actually my seal theory is wrong. If pulling the pedal up engages the clutch then that would not reverse a jam; just drop the pedal push rod out of the cup at the rear of the master cylinder.
As the old saying goes "engage brain before putting mouth (in this case typing fingers) into gear".
One short time remedy is to just use the clutch to take off and change gears without the clutch. Anyone that learnt to drive with an old "crash" gearbox (apt name for a beginner) would have perfected "double shuffle" technique and that works without the clutch if you get the timing right.
Surprisingly, modern gearboxes with very effective syncromesh are harder to do this with than older, cruder gearboxes. That is contrary to what you might expect.
P.S. I couldn't find any audio for your 'jammin seal'.
funny
i was thinking about the old 'double the clutch' that we had to use a lot when i was younger
It's like riding a bicycle -you never forget how but, if you haven't done it for some time, it needs a bit of 'fine tuning' to get your technique back again.
You will have to let us know what the problem is with the clutch Kel, You have us all curious now :)
he has us all in his clutches!!!!!!!
sweet!!
:laugh2: ..... Touché RG!!!
Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='103944' dateline='1484289684'spray some wd 40 around up there
Won't hurt anything, but I also can't see it doing any good either.
Here's the workshop manual:
http://www.allcarmanuals.com/data/files/manuals/holden/Holden-VT-VX-VY-VU-Commodore-Workshop-Manual.pdf
On page 163 it says about the pedal staying on the floor:
* Binding throw-out bearing.
* No brake fluid in master cylinder.
* Spring wear in pressure plate.
Normally if the pressure plate is stuffed it is worthwhile replacing the clutch and throw out bearing at the same time.
Most of the expense involved is Labour and it doesn't cost any more in labour to replace the entire clutch assembly instead of just the pressure plate.:ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='103952' dateline='1484301129'You will have to let us know what the problem is with the clutch Kel, You have us all curious now :)
going to Toowoomba and Blackbutt for the weekend with family ,
wont be back until Monday or Tuesday , will then have it looked at .
This model may have a dual mass flywheel too, so you will have to replace that at the same time.
You could also opt to convert to a solid flywheel. Either way they are fairly expensive, but don't be
tempted to short cut and replace the clutch only, if indeed it turns out to be the clutch.
If you need parts and you don't know anyone if the business, give me a nudge and I'll look after you.
QuoteEither way they are fairly expensive
True. When I bought my new car, I had intentions of putting the van back on the road, and paid $450 for a new flywheel (the ring gear was stuffed). Its still sitting in the box BTW, because of a sequence of stuffups. :(
flywheel is a bit job
i think i remember us doing that with the old falcon that we had a million years ago
You have to pull the gearbox off to do the clutch anyway, so doing
the flywheel is just a matter of undoing another 6 bolts or so.
I had to replace a clutch in a Mini Moke once, Now THAT was a nightmare :dash1:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='103971' dateline='1484397672'I had to replace a clutch in a Mini Moke once, Now THAT was a nightmare :dash1:
As much as trying to dig the starter motor out of a 12-cylinder Jag? I dropped in to see my mate who was a sparky, and wondered at the Jag with its heart in bits scattered all over the workshop floor. Turned out the only way in was to tear the engine to bits. :(
Quote from: 'trout' pid='103971' dateline='1484397672'I had to replace a clutch in a Mini Moke once, Now THAT was a nightmare :dash1:
I did one on a Morris 1100. Would have been the same job. I found it easy enough to replace the clutch, but trying to set the adjustment afterwards was a pain. :)
Many years ago I had a Mini that I rallied. They were prone to cracking sumps (cast alloy with integral gearbox). Even with a sump guard a stone could get under, wedge in the cooling ribs and, when you bottom out on a bump, would punch a hole through. If you were lucky it didn't also wreck the internals of the gearbox.
After lots of practice I could do a remove, strip, rebuild and replace job in about five hours.
Secret to saving a lot of time was to remount the radiator on the inner guard instead of the engine, throw away the fan and install an electric fan on the wheel well side of the radiator.
is it still a Mini after all that?
we just got home now5.pm Wednesday so will take it into the Holden dealer tomorrow , thanks for the offer Steve , but I think when they find the fault , then they expect to do the job ,
I know nothing about the machine side of cars , only know how to change a tyre and now I cant even get down low enough to do that .
All good Kel.
I know what you mean about getting down.
I'm getting worse every year and I'm not
really that old. :(
Glad you made it there and back safely Kel.
Perhaps Clutch Cargo and his mates (bearing) Spinner and Pedalfoot have something to do with the problem ..... (don't mind my nonsense Kel, just yolking about, perhaps I should have a throw-out of some of my puns)
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love um uni , keep um coming mate ,
today went in to Holden dealer , at Caboolture, he said would have to book it in to look for problem , had a look in his book , and had no vacancy for next 2 weeks plus 3 days so went to Midas at 9 am picked up at 4 pm fixed ,.. ( cost )
new slave cylinder assembly $ 72 .00
new cylinder assy-clutch master $ 245.00, new brake fluid $ 15.00 , service labour clutch $ 144.00,
new oil and filter and labour $ 219.00
total cost . $ 695 .00 and back on the road again .speedo 111158 .
also I had to wait about 6 hours for the car , and we went to the RSL for lunch , and a guy said to me , did you get the letter I sent to you about the coins , . I said yes but had no idea where it was from or who sent it to me until today .
so that mystery was solved today also .
Great news Kel, I'm glad it's fixed!
I thought that mystery was going to remain unsolved! (It would have done my head in if it was me that had received it :laugh2:).
And I said "Now we can all get some sleep". (Jack Thompson) :wavemulticolor::blush:
Well done Kel :good: But I think the great mystery is why do holden dealers take so long :dodgy:
QuoteBut I think the great mystery is why do holden dealers take so long
I think the overpriced regular services that Have to be done on new cars otherwise the Warranty is voided has a lot to do with the waiting times.
I can do a full service on my Landrover for about $100, If I took it to a dealer it would probably cost me $500.
yes Jim , that is right my last service on dawns Camry was $ 588 .00
because Toyota charge $ 130.00 per hour plus new oil at $ 85 .00 plus filters , the rest is check , check ,check , check and adjust if needed , labour is the biggest cost and most times young apprentice are doing the job .
Just remember that you do not have to take your car to the dealer for service to maintain the warranty.
As long as your workshop does what is on the check lists and uses parts equal to, or better than the original,
then it is quite OK.
" and we went to the RSL for lunch , and a guy said to me , did you get the letter I sent to you about the coins , . I said yes but had no idea where it was from or who sent it to me until today ."
well how about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='104181' dateline='1484905742'" and we went to the RSL for lunch , and a guy said to me , did you get the letter I sent to you about the coins , . I said yes but had no idea where it was from or who sent it to me until today ."
well how about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it is just a old guy I talk to when I see him at the rsl every time we go for lunch , all I know of him is his name in vic , and he lives by himself close by the rsl , so he goes there every day for his lunch , he came to live up here from Tasmania because it was to cold for him down there and one day he saw me noodling some dollars , and he came over and asked me what I was doing , and I told him I was interested in collecting coins and he told me he was too. he told me he had just bought this royal English coin from Bradford coins , and I said I had never heard of it , and he said give me your address and I will send you the brochure out , so I gave him my name and address , that was about 3 months ago , and I forgot all about it until last week when he asked me did i receive it , that is when I realised who the letter was from with all the brochures in it . now you have the full story .
( I DO NOT TELL LIES ROBBIE )
I should come up there and live as well, Then there would be 3 old farts that collect coins at the same RSL :yahoo::laugh2:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='104193' dateline='1484961319'I should come up there and live as well, Then there would be 3 old farts that collect coins at the same RSL :yahoo::laugh2:
always welcome Jim .
I'm sure there is already more than 3 old farts that collect coins at the ACF. :)
I make it to four (so far) and surely more to come.
Maybe uni will do a song for us when we all move to Kel's locality....
There were ten old farts,
Noodling at the club,
There were ten old farts,
Noodling at the club,
And if one old fart,
should accidentally ?(can't think of a good word that scans to go here)
There'll be nine old farts, noodling at the club.
Etc. etc.
To the tune of 'ten green bottles'.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='104193' dateline='1484961319'I should come up there and live as well, Then there would be 3 old farts that collect coins at the same RSL :yahoo::laugh2:
Would they let you in QLD :blush2: :mocking: :angel:
Just for you Jeff ....
There were ten old farts,
Noodling at the club,
There were ten old farts,
With more coins than with chubb,
And if one old fart,
should give his coin a rub,
There'll be one less to grade, cause he gave it a scrub
You off your meds again Uni :blink: :laugh2:
:laugh2: ..... Nah AJ, they just gave me some more to take!
That's the beauty of getting older, They give you the GOOD stuff :angel:
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='104205' dateline='1484983546'I make it to four (so far) and surely more to come.
Maybe uni will do a song for us when we all move to Kel's locality....
There were ten old farts,
Noodling at the club,
There were ten old farts,
Noodling at the club,
And if one old fart,
should accidentally ?(can't think of a good word that scans to go here)
There'll be nine old farts, noodling at the club.
Etc. etc.
To the tune of 'ten green bottles'.
try this , SHOULD ACCIDENTALLY CARK ,might work
Good one Kel!
One for Jeff .....
Say the following three times over as fast as you can .....
One smart fellow, he felt smart,
Two smart fellows, they felt smart,
Three smart fellows, they felt smart
Where did that smell come from?
:laugh2: ..... An oldie but a goodie!
My Japanese counterpart years ago loved that one as (because of the way they say things is completely different) he didn't stuff it up and was quite amused by the other peoples responses. I'm sure he would have won a couple of hearts with that.
Quite an interesting experience to say the least working for a Japanese company.
Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='104189' dateline='1484952607'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='104181' dateline='1484905742'" and we went to the RSL for lunch , and a guy said to me , did you get the letter I sent to you about the coins , . I said yes but had no idea where it was from or who sent it to me until today ."
well how about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it is just a old guy I talk to when I see him at the rsl every time we go for lunch , all I know of him is his name in vic , and he lives by himself close by the rsl , so he goes there every day for his lunch , he came to live up here from Tasmania because it was to cold for him down there and one day he saw me noodling some dollars , and he came over and asked me what I was doing , and I told him I was interested in collecting coins and he told me he was too. he told me he had just bought this royal English coin from Bradford coins , and I said I had never heard of it , and he said give me your address and I will send you the brochure out , so I gave him my name and address , that was about 3 months ago , and I forgot all about it until last week when he asked me did i receive it , that is when I realised who the letter was from with all the brochures in it . now you have the full story .
( I DO NOT TELL LIES ROBBIE )
i think it is a marvelous story Kel
it's a real treasure for sure
coin collecting can bring all sorts of friendship and this story is one of those xxxx
thanks Robbie , I got this today from him also , but not free like the other one . but I am just happy to have one so I don't mind .
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nice coin I think .
so sorry I cant take a better picture , .
I hope that it is your camera that is off and not the coin Kel, Because that Penny has that nasty Salmon colour on my screen Mate :angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='104586' dateline='1485683883'I hope that it is your camera that is off and not the coin Kel, Because that Penny has that nasty Salmon colour on my screen Mate :angel:
same colour on my screen too jim , but the coin is like brown or red in the hand , I will try again today .
are these any better ???
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I hope so
Check your lighting. White balance is off.
I don't know where this should go , so I have put it here .
Subject:: Australia's Hottest Day on Record 1828
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Not 2016, BUT 1828 at a blistering 53.9 °C
Back before man-made climate change was frying Australia, when CO2 was around 300ppm, the continent savoured an ideal pre-industrial climate.... RIGHT?
This is the kind of climate we are spending $10bn per annum to get back too... Right again?
We are told today's climate has more records and more extremes than times gone by, but the few records we have from the early 1800's are eye-popping.
Things were not just hotter, but so wildly hot it burst thermometers.
The earliest temperature records we have show that Australia was a land of shocking heatwaves and droughts, except for when it was bitterly cold or raging in flood.
In other words, nothing has changed, except possibly things might not be quite so hot now!
Silliggy (Lance Pidgeon) has been researching records from early explorers and from newspapers.
What he's uncovered is fascinating! It's as if history is being erased!
For all that we hear about recent record-breaking climate extremes, records that are equally extreme, and sometimes even more so, are ignored.
In January 1896 a savage blast "like a furnace" stretched across Australia from east to west and lasted for weeks.
The death toll reached 437 people in the eastern states.
Newspaper reports showed that in Bourke the heat approached 120°F (48.9°C) on three days.
Links to documentary evidence (1)(2)(3)
The maximum at or above 102 degrees F (38.9°C) for 24 days straight!
Use the several links below to read the news reports at the time for yourself ..
1. By Tuesday Jan 14, people were reported falling dead in the streets.
2. Unable to sleep, people in Brewarrina walked the streets at night for hours, thermometers recorded 109F at midnight.
3. Overnight, the temperature did not fall below 103°F.
4. On Jan 18 in Wilcannia, five deaths were recorded in one day, the hospitals were overcrowded and reports said that "more deaths are hourly expected".
5. By January 24, in Bourke, many businesses had shut down (almost everything bar the hotels).
6. Panic stricken Australians were fleeing to the hills in climate refugee trains.
As reported at the time, the government felt the situation was so serious that to save lives and ease the suffering of its citizens they added cheaper train services:
What I found most interesting about this was the skill, dedication and length of meteorological data taken in the 1800's. When our climate is "the most important moral challenge" why is it there is so little interest in our longest and oldest data?
Who knew that one of the most meticulous and detailed temperature records in the world from the 1800's comes from Adelaide, largely thanks to Sir Charles Todd.
The West Terrace site in Adelaide was one of the best in the world at the time, and provides accurate historic temperatures from "Australia's first permanent weather bureau at Adelaide in 1856?.
Rainfall records even appear to go as far back as 1839. Lance Pidgeon went delving into the National Archives and was surprised at what he found.
The media are in overdrive, making out that "the extreme heat is the new normal" in Australia.
The Great Australian Heatwave of January 2013 didn't push the mercury above 50C at any weather station in Australia, yet it's been 50C (122F) and hotter in many inland towns across Australia over the past century.
See how many are in the late 1800's and early to mid 1900's.
You can't blame those high records on man-made global warming!
World governments need to think up new ways to tax us and climate change is the perfect excuse for the gullible
who will show little resistance when fed bulls*** information
More neo nazi right wing BS to justify not only poisoning the air but the land as well, we must build burn more coal and gas and destroy everything on land and water so we make the rich richer. They all tell lies to suit them selves and it depends on what side of the fence you sit on as to what you believe :dodgy:
Malcolm Roberts and the like will go back to his nice cushy mining after he's finished lobbying for them and he's saved Australia for the asia scum scourge..oop's sorry that's muslim now isn't it :blush2:
The right wing was against "climate change" and denied it but now they say it's real so can you really trust the right and say it's all the world governments and the left :scratch_one-s_head:
The right can't make up their mind what they think, one minute it's fake then it's real and then it's fake and now it's real again so go figure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DjqtFlOrGg
I don't presume to know the answer to any of this, but I do remember a rather large volcanic eruption event about 10 years ago maybe, hell I don't know, time fly's when we're having fun but I think it was in Chile. Anyhow, scientists at the time stated it spewed more greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere than man has managed to achieve since the beginning of the industrial revolution. Heh, maybe that was more to do with the scumbag media looking for extra sensation. Since then we've had an eruption on a similar scale in Iceland and many other smaller events throughout the world. If you add to this the naturally decaying process of the worlds forests, emissions from the oceans as carbon contaminants are released from shifting silt banks, also the sneaky deposits and outgassing :stinker: of those naughty cows and other ruminants, I guess people could be excused for thinking the BS is coming from more than one source :scratch_one-s_head:
The really annoying thing was when the scientific world had the ideal opportunity to fend off at least some of the doubters, they failed. Featuring on the ABC program Q and A towards the end of last year was Englishman Dr Brian Cox, familiar to many for his scientific documentaries and such. During the on air debate with obvious denier Malcolm Roberts, who just happened to be Tony Jones' ambush bunny :diablo: for the night, the only proof of global warning Cox had to offer for all those interested, apart from the odd deriding quip aimed at Roberts, was to wave a piece of graph paper into the camera exclaiming something about how it aligned with the opinions of most climate scientists.
I think he should have done a much better job of spelling out to the petrol guzzling and consumer driven public, that's you and me, how and why man is tipping the ecological scale. Unfortunately, in line with many programs designed to shape public opinion on minority or major matters, ridicule and belittlement was the chosen tactic. And whilst the rabid media as well as the converted all tucked up in bed that night feeling warm and fuzzy at Malcolm Roberts being put in his place, those who were hoping for just a minor revelation from this eminent person, all went :huh:
Come on auto, you know you just don't wanna tell us :blink: :laugh2:
I wonder how many people would have owned a thermometer back in 1828 :scratch_one-s_head: Gee most were lucky to have a few clothes let alone flash scientific instrument like that, after all we are talking only 40 years after the first feet landed.
About the oceans, they can't make up their mind about that either like so many other things and one min say it's releasing carbon and next say they can lock carbon in it and same as forests so who knows but with so many contributing factors it's hard to work out what is and what isn't but putting pollutants of any sort out can't be good for the atmosphere or us.
Yes those damn cows fartin and crappin everywhere the dirty bastards :dodgy: :mocking: , and not to mention trouts favourite..the hideous "ground lice" :laugh2:
:nea: don't sell our ancestors short AJ, I've been on ancestry.com and found they all had elbows and little pinkies too, so they knew when that stolen piece of pork was juuuuuust right :biggrin:
Was watching Tony Robinson's travels in Oz show the other day, it was pointed out that the Tank Stream was deliberately brick arched over to stop the new arrivals from polluting it. They were good little vegemites, but then they built a city on top :shock:
:laugh2:
My lot didn't get here that early so we ain't crims like a lot of you other bastards from convict stock :mocking:
I have a fork to test if meat is cooked so stick a fork in ya pork mate :shock: :angel: :laugh2:
I like Baldrick :D
:laugh2: well I was going to say they used their elbows to test the bath water, but they only bathed on their birthdays didn't they, even the babies only got third digs. Poor little buggers weren't seen in all that swill, so out they went :shock:
Proud to say though that our first arrival came out on the second fleet in 1792 at the pleasure of her Majesty. No sense of humor those Poms :wavemulticolor:
So it was your mob who brought out the rabbits and foxes? :winkextra:
No my lot come from Greece :)
:good: you may be connected to Phil. Just wondering if his dial ever made it's way onto a coin like wifies did? Well I had to inject some numismatic content back into the thread :biggrin:
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='104795' dateline='1486046066':good: you may be connected to Phil. Just wondering if his dial ever made it's way onto a coin like wifies did? Well I had to inject some numismatic content back into the thread :biggrin:
Here you Go :)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/phil1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/phil.jpg)
That's a nice looking coin trout. 1972 aye, my last year of freedom :angel: nah, it's been great :yahoo:
Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='104756' dateline='1485994663'Subject:: Australia's Hottest Day on Record 1828
The trouble with the people who write this sort of drivel (which is from at least 5 years ago, BTW) is that they don't comprehend the difference between weather and climate. And then of course the thousands who spread the manure far and wide either also don't comprehend or, worse, have their own or their masters' agendas to push.
Do you remember when it snowed in the Melbourne CBD on Xmas Day? Or when Elizabeth St turned into a river? Those were weather events. They do not mean you need to wear a parka and a snorkel during Melbourne summers.
OTOH, the average temperature rising by even a couple of degrees can absolutely be catastrophic, and kill millions. That's climate for you.
Back when I was a kid, one of our customers was a Japanese glaciologist, and he invited me to his lab at Melbourne Uni. There he showed me ice cores he took from the Antarctic ice sheet, and explained how the tiny bubbles hold air trapped at the time when the snow fell. This gas can be analysed, and he showed me a graph with an absolutely massive Methane spike some 15,000 years ago. It wasn't just the height of the peak, but the extremely short time frame, on the order of a couple of years which was startling.
What happened was that at the end of the last glacial period, as the temperatures rose, massive volumes of fresh water ran into the oceans, reducing its salinity, particularly in the North Atlantic. Reduced salinity means reduced density. The weight of the column of water decreased to a trigger point where the vast quantities of Methane locked up in river outflows at the base of the continental shelf, particularly at the Amazon River, were suddenly released. Methane is a very powerful greenhouse gas, and the feedback loop resulted in a temperature rise of some 10°C.
The worry is that we're now seeing signs, in the Arctic permafrost, that we're on the verge of a repetition of this event. If we are, the trigger will be unstoppable, and the effects catastrophic, because unlike the last time, we now have coastal cities which would all be inundated. The death toll would be huge. Think of the Tsunami toll, and apply that rate globally. We might be able to escape by moving to higher ground here, but even if that were possible in poor countries, how would the refugees be fed? And given the insanity of the current policies here and in the US (and elsewhere) regarding refugees, can you imagine the political and social effects of migrations an order of magnitude greater?
It beggars belief that the alt-right is so determined to disregard all this. Its as if they deliberately want to see the chaos. Could they be so stupid? Or is this some twisted kind of genocide plot? Either way, its a mindset which is not doing anyone any favours. :(
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='104795' dateline='1486046066':good: you may be connected to Phil. Just wondering if his dial ever made it's way onto a coin like wifies did? Well I had to inject some numismatic content back into the thread :biggrin:
It's not my fault that I'm easily influenced and distracted and lead off the beaten track so I take no responsibility for my own actions :angel:
I could be related to lucky phil auto, who knows, but I haven't heard of any incest in the family so probably not so just a commoner mate.
Yes Fulvio, remember not long ago when morrison, abbott and mr potato head dutton didn't realise there was a boom mic turned on just above their heads and their comments :dodgy:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-11/dutton-overheard-joking-about-sea-levels-in-pacific-islands/6768324
:scratch_one-s_head: is it just me or does the profile on the cayman island coin look very much like the profile we have on our KGVI coins except facing the opposite direction.
I think they could pass as twins :shock:
Going back a few decades when I was just a Lad in the UK we were living not far out of London in what was called the greater London area.
At that time the UK government were taking pollution very seriously indeed they had something that was called the clean air act.
It became illegal to burn coal or wood fires and a product called coke (not the cool drink guys) was available and this was permissible to burn, Thank God for that because the UK in winter is a bloody miserable cold place to be.
There were other things put in place to stop pollution and within only a few years the air and the waterways were pretty much as good as gold, even the Trout had returned to the Thames.
So it shows that if controls are put in place not only can the damage to the environment be slowed down, It can actually be reversed.
Yes some things can be fixed but then others the damage is just too great and can't be fixed or will take a thousand yeas (so they think) like some of the damage from mining and nuclear melt downs etc but while ever the mighty dollar rules I can't see the environment winning and battles.
Up this way we haven't been able to have a back yard incinerator for many years and up the mountain they wanted to ban all wood heaters because of the smoke but like the UK in winter you need something to keep warm or people will die.
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='104803' dateline='1486071190'nuclear melt downs
Don't believe the hype. Our only future salvation lies with nuclear energy in one form or another. Yes, core meltdowns are a bad thing. But they have only happened in Light Water reactors, and even then due to shoddy design or contruction. Light Water is just one of many options, pushed by companies light Westinghouse and GE who follow the Gillette model (Give the razor away, and make a killing on the blades) and make squillions on all those fuel rods that end up in piles of waste.
Breeder reactors of various types (especially the promising LFTR, Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor) burn such materials and produce almost no waste. Since there's no way to make money off them, the industry hasn't been interested in developing them since the 1950's. This needs to change, and probably will.. in China.
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='104798' dateline='1486054147'Back when I was a kid, one of our customers was a Japanese glaciologist, and he invited me to his lab at Melbourne Uni. There he showed me ice cores he took from the Antarctic ice sheet, and explained how the tiny bubbles hold air trapped at the time when the snow fell. This gas can be analysed, and he showed me a graph with an absolutely massive Methane spike some 15,000 years ago.
I remember seeing a doco a few years ago that was based on similar research in the Antarctic I think. The graph, which represented hundreds of thousand of years in total, peaked consistently like a piece of corrugated iron with the high points preceding a following ice age. The interesting thing was that the most recent readings were at the peak :shock:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='104800' dateline='1486068291'It became illegal to burn coal or wood fires and a product called coke (not the cool drink guys) was available and this was permissible to burn,
I remember seeing pictures of the smog on TV. Interestingly, coke is a product of coal, so I assume it has to be burnt at some stage, some where, to reach this state :scratch_one-s_head:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='104803' dateline='1486071190'Up this way we haven't been able to have a back yard incinerator for many years
Growing up in a country town we had a fairly large block, Dad would rake the lawn clippings into many mounds, then after a few days he would set them alight as would everyone else in town. I can smell that semi green grass burning right now :yahoo:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='104800' dateline='1486068291'Going back a few decades when I was just a Lad in the UK we were living not far out of London in what was called the greater London area.
At that time the UK government were taking pollution very seriously indeed they had something that was called the clean air act.
It became illegal to burn coal or wood fires and a product called coke (not the cool drink guys) was available and this was permissible to burn, Thank God for that because the UK in winter is a bloody miserable cold place to be.
There were other things put in place to stop pollution and within only a few years the air and the waterways were pretty much as good as gold, even the Trout had returned to the Thames.
So it shows that if controls are put in place not only can the damage to the environment be slowed down, It can actually be reversed.
agree
China should be doing the same and many other Asian countries
if we all do something then collectively the combined outcomes would be fantastic for the planet
i think they stopped the big can farm burn offs in recent years as well
i also remember the home incinerators where we burnt our paper rubbish - all pretty well illegal these days
Fulvio - I very much agree with you as well
:dodgy: you gotta stay off that grass auto, can do funny things to ya mate :laugh2:
I don't care what you say about nuc Fulvio it's just something I don't want a bar of because of bombs and melt downs etc and I don't want a nuc dump anywhere near me so lets put it in your back yard and then I'll be able to see you glowing and know exactly where you are :mocking: It's bad enough having to use it for medical treatments but we're more interested in making bombs or other weapons of mass destruction. This is another case of there's not enough evidence either way for me so think we're better off to just leave it alone. They say the waste can be stored in copper containers that will last 150 years, but then who here will be around to monitor and change the containers so I figure eventually all that waste will end up in the water.
The cane farmers still burn off around here RG, we still get ash everywhere as it gets blown around in the wind. Next time it happens I'll try and remember to take some pic's for ya :good:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='104814' dateline='1486097137':dodgy: you gotta stay off that grass auto, can do funny things to ya mate :laugh2:
:laugh2: so that's what happened, But I remember all those student protesters who filled the streets back in the 60's - 70's, many of whom were definitely on the happy baccy, and just look at the state of things now :dodgy:
Yes look at it :dash1:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='104814' dateline='1486097137'They say the waste can be stored in copper containers
WHAT waste? That's the whole point. A LFTR would use existing waste as fuel.
How about a little basic physics here?
Elements are made up of subatomic particles in precise groupings. If you change the number of protons, neutrons and electrons, you change what the element IS!
"Using the LBNL's Bevalac particle accelerator, Morrissey and his colleagues boosted beams of carbon and neon nuclei nearly to light speed and then slammed them into foils of bismuth. When a high-speed nucleus in the beam collided with a bismuth atom, it sheared off part of the bismuth nucleus, leaving a slightly diminished atom behind. By sifting through the particulate wreckage, the team found a number of transmuted atoms in which four protons had been removed from a bismuth atom to produce gold. Along with the four protons, the collision-induced reactions had removed anywhere from six to 15 neutrons, producing a range of gold isotopes from gold 190 (79 protons and 111 neutrons) to gold 199 (79 protons, 120 neutrons), the researchers reported in the March 1981 issue of Physical Review C."So yeah, you CAN turn Lead into Gold! Its just not financially viable.
Anyway, All radioactive elements decay. They give off radiation in the process. That's kinda why we call them RadioACTIVE, innit? The thing is though, different elements decay at different speeds. Some of the heaviest ones can only be created in particle accelerators for tiny fractions of a second, whereas others have half-lives in the millennia. A half-life of course is the amount of time for the quantity of the material to halve. If element X has a half life of an hour, and you start with a Kilo of it, you'll have 500g in an hour, 250g in 2 hours, 125g in 3 hours, and so on until you can't detect it anymore.
The idea of building reactors which use long-lived elements as fuel is to 'burn' them up, producing products which are either stable (non-radioactive) or have much shorter half-lives. As such, they're a solution, not part of the problem.
Oh, and as for safety, the inherent design flaw in current commercial reactors is that they rely on water for cooling. If anything happens to stop the flow of coolant, and the fuel rods become exposed, the heat build-up will melt the fuel which is after all a metal, and it will burn its way through everything under it. This is colloquially known as
"The China Syndrome" (Also a movie with Jack Lemmon) because nothing could stop it burning its way through to China like in the cartoons. This simply can't happen in other reactor designs. In the event of a failure, they would just stop working, that's all.
Trouble is, reactions like yours are exactly what we can expect from the majority of the population. I just about started a riot at an environmental forum when I told a politician that we needed Nuclear power to avoid looming environmental disasters! Not one of the rabid ferals who attacked me had any clue other than that I'd used the dreaded 'N'-word. These people don't know that they are in fact radioactive themselves
(try waving a geiger counter over yourself), as is pretty much everything around us. Not to mention that ALL energy and the food and everything else we grow are the direct product of Nuclear reactions.
So why have they been saying that we should become a dump for all the waste from the crap we sell the rest of the world. SA seems to be the preferred site ATM and they were talking about these copper containers to put the waste in that would last 150 years but no idea on how long the waste will last and could be 1000 years or more. I don't like the idea and would prefer to get power from other means, and no not coal.
If I'm so radioactive why can't I blow myself up :angel: Maybe if we all concentrate really really hard we can blow up the planet, so at midnight tomorrow lets all do it and see what happens :) got nothin to lose right ;)
Tried, still here! :angel:
No it was tomorrow night Robster :laugh2:
Thought I'd have a trial run but all I could do was :stinker: :@ :zomby: :mocking:
If we can't get something like the NBN to work :dash1: how would we go with something as complicated as a reactor :shock: Gee they can't even build a bridge up here :dodgy:
Here's one from Captain risky. Why not drop all those spent fuel rods into a volcano, one that's not spewing crap out and never likely to, but one that's just bubbling away like in Jellystone park :biggrin: At least this way all the nasty bits would be returned to their maker :whistle2:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='104833' dateline='1486133898'So why have they been saying that we should become a dump for all the waste from the crap we sell the rest of the world.
Because they're fixated on the status quo, which is Light Water reactors. Make no mistake, the companies who build them and who supply the fuel rods, do NOT want to see Thorium reactors, because that would like having cars that ran on tap water. They WANT things to continue as they are, and that means storing the waste for thousands of years.
As long as we fail to move to more sensible nuclear options, we absolutely MUST store this stuff. And if we have to do that, it makes sense to put it in the most remote, most geologically stable and politically/socially safe place on the planet. Which is west of a line from Darwin to Adelaide.
The alternative is to put it in places where people live, where unstable governments and terrorists are, or where the joint could be wiped off the map by any number of natural disasters.
Plus, we could make a shitload of money from it, which would be a good thing for the country.
QuotePlus, we could make a shitload of money from it, which would be a good thing for the country.
It Ain't Necessarily So (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBOgH5f36cQ)
I agree with Jeff ;)
I don't think it's worth it to potentially poison any land in oz just for the sake of a few bucks that will only be spent on politicians anyway :dodgy:
No, I don't have kid and pretty high chance I never will but i have nieces and nephews and many of my cousins have them and the chances are they'll all have kids and it's them I'm thinking about as sooner or later it will end up in the water and then what, so I say let the countries that bought it deal with it. You can't take you waste back to woolies or coles and tell them to get rid of it, even though I'd like to. Like I said earlier in this thread, who's going to monitor all this waste 150 year or more.
bit like the mr fluffy asbestos crisis in canberra now
or the other poor bastards who worked in the asbestos industry across the country
they all knew the dangers of the product /s
Asbestos use in Australia is criminal,show on SBS a couple of Weeks ago on dangers in UK Edwardian homes. According to this programme the first recorded warning on the dangers of Asbestos was by a Female Factory Inspector in London in 1899.From the late 1920's to early 1930's UK Medical experts had established a link between Asbestos and Lung disease but it still continued to be used especially in Aust.
Same scenario as Tobacco,Multinationals fight it every inch of the way.
Lets get a little perspective into this....
(https://mapcollection.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/australia-and-europe-area-comparison.jpg)
You live in Romania, and you're worried about your kids being poisoned by something being done in Ireland.
Do you see how insane this is, especially when we're talking about removing materials which are actually IN those tiny (by comparison) countries, where there are hundreds of millions of people, versus an area with just about zero people in it.
But hey, you're proving my point, which is that this is not a rational discussion, as opinions have been formed by propaganda over many decades, and is unlikely to change in a hurry.
And that's why the world is doomed.
So your prepared to sacrifice most of europe or you can guarantee the waste at some stage won't end up in the water. Yes you can be like the politicians and say it's all good as it won't happen in our life time but at some stage down the track it's gonna get into the water and then what :huh: And I'm still waiting for us to make these reactors your talking about because big business what's cheap and nasty so they can make more profit, not high cost and little profit, unless you've managed to persuade big business to change their mind :angel:
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And as for there being nothing there, sorry but there is always something, just because most people never get there is a different story and I bet there's people that live in these areas that would also care and even if it's on the other side of the country it's still our country and I hadn't heard about a dump in WA but SA is a different story.
Yes Basil and RG we have an asbestos mine not far from here at a little place called Baryulgil and they've had so much trouble because of the mine for many many years and there's still piles of the stuff laying around blowing in the wind. Yes I've been there a few times as I use to work on a cattle station up there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baryulgil,_New_South_Wales
A couple of other things to ponder about are "energy efficient light bulbs", has anyone seen any ads at all here in oz about what to do if one breaks. I seen an ad from the US years ago that if one breaks get out of the house as quick as you can and go back after 20 minutes because of the mercury used in them but to this day nothing here. I couldn't find the US ad but did find this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPTbSRF-Yb0
Another is coal seam gas, years ago they showed a show from the US saying not to let them do it in your country and they showed water ways and taps that you can set on fire but the government said it's all good and won't happen here but not so long ago I seen a show out here where a farmer set a creek on fire on his property and yet we have more and more turning up everywhere all the time :dash1:
And finally for this rant, the libs said recently that after giving the adani mine the go ahead that they have authorities to make sure no run off poisons the reef but after everything else that's happened can they be trusted as once the reef is poisoned how hard will it be to fix something so grand. The libs spooked about it being worth billions but where does that money go, back to india :scratch_one-s_head: and they also said it would create tens of thousands of jobs but then in 2015 an adani spokesman told the land court in brissie that it might create 1,464 so that's a long way short of thousands. And who pays for the unmanned trains and the train line to get the coal to port and will they do like that ship did a few years ago and run aground on the reef because they want to take a short cut across the reef to save money.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-05/what-we-know-about-adani-and-the-carmichael-mine-project/8094244
Anyway something else to think about, end rant :angel:
Lets see...
CFLs - Amazing what a difference 5 years makes. Do they even SELL CFLs anymore? You can buy LEDs for a fraction of what CFLs cost back in the day, and they last longer and use less power. Times change.
Mercury - We used to play with Mercury all the time when we were kids. I remember cracking open piles of dead batteries dad had in the shop and filling plastic jars with the stuff. Hasn't killed me yet. Or him. So I seriously doubt a shattered CFL is going to require decontamination teams in hazmat suits. :P
CSG - Yes, we've all seen the burning creeks. There's a pollie who regularly takes film crews out to make the point. Thing is, this happens whether you conduct fracking or not. Its a natural process, as methane leaks through the earth. You'd never even know on dry land, but it makes a neat party trick in water.
Asbestos - Horrible, nasty stuff, that again can't be kept out of the environment, since it is after all a natural material.
Coal - The idea of building a new coal mine in this day and age has to be one of the stupidest things EVER. Coal has had its day, whether we turn to Nuclear energy as much of the world is doing, or develop practical cost-effective grid storage systems for solar/wind generation. There's not even a commercial case for coal mines, let alone environmental ones.
Waste storage - See that area west of the great Artesian Basin? That's the West Australian Shield, which is basically a solid mass of rock. That's why its the most stable dirt on the planet, and the safest place to store dangerous things. And yes, it may be a while before we pry the cold, clammy hands of industry off the Nuclear steering wheel, but it WILL happen. China is now actively developing Thorium reactors, and expect to have them operational by the end of the decade. It shouldn't be hard... all the work was already done back in the 1950's after all.
Turning off our coal exports may require a little thought. Based on 2014 figures coal represents 15% of Australia's total exports, about $40,000,000,000, so who knows what it is today. Surprisingly Japan was our major buyer of coal at 34% compared to China at 24%.
I'm not suggesting coal based energy should go on indefinitely, and some kind of rethink needs to happen, but the impact of knee jerk policy would be massive with regard to jobs and revenue.
It would be interesting to see how any Government would deal with deciding what programs and services would be cut, as it's hard to see how such a large chunk of our trade could be replaced overnight.
I don't think Australia should stop exporting coal but I don't think we need any new mines either. Surely China, Japan and India will simply stop buying it, sooner or later.
P.S. I like AJs map, it reminds of one of my school text books.
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='104897' dateline='1486219679'Lets see...
CFLs - Amazing what a difference 5 years makes. Do they even SELL CFLs anymore? You can buy LEDs for a fraction of what CFLs cost back in the day, and they last longer and use less power. Times change.
I don't know if they still sell CFL bulbs (they probably do) but most of the lights here have them and same as the last house and the one before that as well and this place has 3 LED's as that's what the new fans had in the lights.
Mercury - We used to play with Mercury all the time when we were kids. I remember cracking open piles of dead batteries dad had in the shop and filling plastic jars with the stuff. Hasn't killed me yet. Or him. So I seriously doubt a shattered CFL is going to require decontamination teams in hazmat suits. :P
Well it might not have killed you but that explains a lot :P :mocking:
CSG - Yes, we've all seen the burning creeks. There's a pollie who regularly takes film crews out to make the point. Thing is, this happens whether you conduct fracking or not. Its a natural process, as methane leaks through the earth. You'd never even know on dry land, but it makes a neat party trick in water.
Yes this might happen naturally in some areas but how would you like it if you had a nice property that supported a few head of cattle and it was your livelihood and a mine just come in and said we're doing it and don't give a rats what you say and then next minute it's poisoned your water so you have no water for either yourself or stock to drink and there's nothing you can do and you can't sell because no one want to buy it. It's a lovely area around here and I'd hate to see it stuffed up by this like it has in other areas around here as they're doing it everywhere and what happens to all this gas? and why are they saying the prices are constantly going up. We should be buying it cheap and then any surplus get sold like the US does not sell overseas and then buy it back, same as we do with a lot of things, makes no sense to me. People in the cities just don't get it as most never leave them so don't care what happens. Lets put mines in the cities and poison their water and see what they say.
Asbestos - Horrible, nasty stuff, that again can't be kept out of the environment, since it is after all a natural material.
Yes it's natural but does less damage if left as it is instead of mining it.
Coal - The idea of building a new coal mine in this day and age has to be one of the stupidest things EVER. Coal has had its day, whether we turn to Nuclear energy as much of the world is doing, or develop practical cost-effective grid storage systems for solar/wind generation. There's not even a commercial case for coal mines, let alone environmental ones.
I'm gonna jump off the cliff so come on little lemming follow me :angel: There are a lot of alternatives now days, wind farms, tidal etc.
Waste storage - See that area west of the great Artesian Basin? That's the West Australian Shield, which is basically a solid mass of rock. That's why its the most stable dirt on the planet, and the safest place to store dangerous things. And yes, it may be a while before we pry the cold, clammy hands of industry off the Nuclear steering wheel, but it WILL happen. China is now actively developing Thorium reactors, and expect to have them operational by the end of the decade. It shouldn't be hard... all the work was already done back in the 1950's after all.
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OMG so being "a solid rock" means that it stores water, mmm ok. But yet again I haven't heard of any talk about a dump there but they have about SA and can the aboriginals use the land at Maralinga after what we done there :huh: As for china, well if they're gonna take another 10 years we might be able to do it in a century or two knowing us as we can't even put a second bridge across the river here :dodgy:
Imagine poor Mark and PP glowing in the dark, not good :( Now Roster on the other hand is a totally different story as we need to know exactly where he is at all times :mocking: Sorry mate I wanna be good :angel: :friends:
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='104899' dateline='1486221806'Turning off our coal exports may require a little thought. Based on 2014 figures coal represents 15% of Australia's total exports, about $40,000,000,000, so who knows what it is today. Surprisingly Japan was our major buyer of coal at 34% compared to China at 24%.
I'm not suggesting coal based energy should go on indefinitely, and some kind of rethink needs to happen, but the impact of knee jerk policy would be massive with regard to jobs and revenue.
It would be interesting to see how any Government would deal with deciding what programs and services would be cut, as it's hard to see how such a large chunk of our trade could be replaced overnight.
Maybe if we taxed the mines like they should have been all along instead of letting them just take take take we mightn't have some of the problems that we do now and also if we didn't sell the majority of the assets and tax the rich and big business like they should be, and didn't pay the pollies unrealistic money and lurks and perks things might be better but it's ok as they said the other day that they're going to take 3 billion away from welfare recipients to pay for their new child care policy, so yet again it's easier to screw the old and disability and people that can't afford it but then they expect us to still vote for them..oh and not to forget getting rid of medicare and other services so we're more like the US :dodgy:
The mining game is employing less and less people all the time with everything being automated, gee even the trains aren't manned or the mining equipment because it's cheaper and safer not to employ people.
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='104900' dateline='1486235539'P.S. I like AJs map, it reminds of one of my school text books.
Glad you liked it Rob :friends:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='104903' dateline='1486243134'gee even the trains aren't manned or the mining equipment because it's cheaper and safer not to employ people.
Gee wiz AJ :shock: don't know about that Mate :scratch_one-s_head:, as far as I know all coal trains on the eastern seaboard are still manned, although there was some talk of unmanned iron ore trains in the West. In NSW, just using the Hunter, Central West and Liverpool Plains mining regions as an example, last I read there were something like 22,000 coal train trips running through Muswellbrook each year, all of which are stilled manned. Don't know what percentage that is of Australia's overall activity, but that many trains running through congested built up areas takes a lot of infrastructure and planning, and to do it unmanned would be just plain loco :angel: :nea:
Hang on a bit, I haven't considered all the model railway enthusiasts who didn't man their loco's with train crew, they need to get prototypical :mocking: :biggrin:
22,000 per year is more than 60 per day - that seems like a lot to me.
Hehe "loco" love the pun :) Yes they aren't unmanned yet but it's coming and apparently the new trains that will be going in from western sydney are going to be unmanned according to the state gov not long ago so how many jobs would there have been there when they will probably run 24/7.
I don't know why they didn't because they have them, gee they have most of the workers :)
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and even real cool looking little drivers :mocking:
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Quote from: 'r9453' pid='104906' dateline='1486255064'22,000 per year is more than 60 per day - that seems like a lot to me.
Yes that's a lot of coal :shock:
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='104906' dateline='1486255064'22,000 per year is more than 60 per day - that seems like a lot to me.
It is a lot, but that would be 30 loaded X 30 empties. Just goes to show the extent of the business, considering this is just one area of many. I did hear that the ARTC upgraded the track and signalling infrastructure at Muswellbrook a couple of years ago to allow for a capacity of 93 trains per day.
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='104911' dateline='1486261134'I don't know why they didn't because they have them, gee they have most of the workers :)
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That fireman with the shovel reminds me of stories told by old train crew in the steam days. Apparently the shovel was used for three purposes, to shovel coal, to cook a nice juicy steak on and to drop the old #2 on before hurling the remains overboard. It was common practise to clean the shovel with 200 psi of steam using the in cab steam hose before and after the latter two uses, but on occasions they would forget :shok::stinker::laugh2:
Too much information!
:laugh2: yes I agree with Jeff :shock:
Sorry Guys, I'll reduce the train numbers from 93 to 90 if you prefer :laugh2:
I don't know how or where to put this whinge ,
so I will put it here , not for long I hope .
Friday I was sent home from hospital with a catheter still in my body and a bag on the end of it and strapped around my leg . when I asked them when do they take it out , they told me about 2 weeks , I said , can you give me clean bags like they used to , I was told , the gov is cutting back and I will have to wash them out , one for day time and one for night time . and that is all I got .
Gee that's a poor effort on the hospital's part.
I wish I had a contact in the media ...... that would soon change.
Best wishes Kel....
thank you all for your best wishes ,, kel ,,
Hope it wasn't Redcliffe Hospital Kel.
Quote from: 'humpybong' pid='115718' dateline='1528890915'Hope it wasn't Redcliffe Hospital Kel.
you can bet it was Barry ,
I got a phone call late yesterday to say they have a space for me tomorrow morning
at 8.00am if I wanted it ,you bet I do .
I will get there early to beat the peak hour traffic ..
,, kel ,,
ps , while I am on here ,I would like to say I was lucky enough to get one of the 1988 3 coins sets
cost me $ 213.50 but I was happy to get one .
If your bags have the tap on the bottom of it so that you can empty the contents, you don't need to wash the bags out.
I had only one bag for my post op and drained the bag a couple of times a day with no exchange bag until the catheter was removed about 10 days later..