Do we have a release date for the 2016 / 2017 pocket book yet?
At this late stage it doesn't look like we are going to see a 2016 edition :(
Maybe Greg could jump in here and enlighten us :ok:
no body seems to of heard anything about gregs new guide
From what I hear, he is still working on it. The Renniks will be out first, though.
Eric
I just rec'd this message from JOHN THOMAS STAMPS & COLLECTABLES.
NEWS :The McDonalds Coin & Banknote Catalogue will NOT be released before Christmas.
The 27th Edition Renniks Coin and Banknote Catalogue is due out about the 12th to the 14th December, cost $35-50 plus postage.
that's a shame it looks like the 27th Edition Renniks Coin and Banknote Catalogue is going to be the one I get for Christmas.
Maybe it has all become to hard for Greg to put it out each year,
With all the new additions, the price changes, and the complaints, not forgetting Ebay, plus the cost of printing packaging.
I hope we have not seen the last edition.
Look at "Dolly" after 40 years it is ceasing production, mags & the like are becoming a thing of the past, & as an old printer, I hate to see the demise of such institutional issues, (not that I read Dolly) I see other mags disappearing from the shelves of news agencies & wonder how long before news papers will go the same way.
maybe Greg needs editorial help
someone like PP would be perfect!!
Quote from: 'interest' pid='102233' dateline='1480735077'Look at "Dolly" after 40 years it is ceasing production, mags & the like are becoming a thing of the past, & as an old printer, I hate to see the demise of such institutional issues, (not that I read Dolly) I see other mags disappearing from the shelves of news agencies & wonder how long before news papers will go the same way.
No. Dolly will no longer be available in print. It's online only now so you can still (not that you do :angel:) read it online.
I would not mind having an app/onine version of Greg McDonald if it is made available. May be for an annual subscription fee or something.
QuoteI would not mind having an app/onine version of Greg McDonald if it is made available. May be for an annual subscription fee or something.
I actually prefer it in Book form, Easy to access anywhere and at any time :good:
23RD EDITION TO BE PUBLISHED FEBRUARY
Dear Forum Member,
Since learning about the upcoming Renniks release in the latest CAB magazine, I have decided to hold back on releasing my book [23rd edition] until after the Holiday break.
Usually, Renniks produces a new book every two years, so this is a new strategy. I feel that two books coming out within days of each other will affect sales for both of us. I also have to take into consideration that many dealers will not want to hold unsold stocks of two books that will lie dormant for weeks over the holiday period.
The exact date for the release of the 23rd edition will depend on the printer's schedule in the New Year, but I will advise as soon as it is confirmed.
While I run the risk of losing Christmas sales, there is an upside. Renniks now prints its book overseas and there are obvious extra time delay factors involved in shipping by sea, customs clearance, etc.
I tried a similar experience with the production of the 21st edition in Singapore. However, I was frustrated by the time delay and the omission of a lot of new issues and general updates that appeared while the books were on the high seas. In some ways, I felt the book was out of date before it hit the stores.
That probably wouldn't matter much in previous years, or if you are a pre-decimal collector. However, the past 12 months has been huge for modern issue collectors. This respite will give me time to include a range of 2017 issues that are already being advertised.
The extra time also allows me to farm out the manuscript to dealers and collectors for corrections and updates. Errors and omissions in a book of this complexity are inevitable and only made worse by the last minute rush to tie up all the loose ends before heading to the printer. In particular, I am very grateful to fellow author and publisher [and all round good bloke] John O'Connor, of Noble Numismatics who is the last word on 'punctuation Correctness.'
I hope you agree that this is the best option. I don't subscribe to the glass is half empty or half full. Regardless, it clearly needs topping up.
Thank you to the many who have inquired about the book. Also a special thanks to the many forum members who have contacted me privately with updates and suggestions.
The amount of time these people have been willing to give so freely is really humbling.
In closing, both Jenny and I and the three L's [Luke, Lachlan and Lily], wish you all the best for the coming festive season. Stay safe!
Kind Regards
Greg
Looking forward to it!
Thanks for the update Greg great work
Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='102907' dateline='1482042231'Looking forward to it!
Me too, I always enjoy looking through the new edition when I get it :good:
According to a couple of posts on CCF the new Macca's is available now.
Anyone know where it is available?
I think the poster of that item re Maccas over at CCF might have his wires crossed. Reckons it's available and is only $25.
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='103887' dateline='1484208474'I think the poster of that item re Maccas over at CCF might have his wires crossed. Reckons it's available and is only $25.
I guessed that was the case :angel:
I just looked on ebay and the 22nd edition ( last years ) is $25
Quote from: 'jens coins' pid='103893' dateline='1484214703'I just looked on ebay and the 22nd edition ( last years ) is $25
I think RG has a spare one of those :angel::laugh2:
nah mine is the bloody rennicks
what a flamin' drama - will buy at the local coin show dealers in future
and now I have to find somewhere else to get my pcgs holder pages etc as I won't be going back to Lismore online coins that is for sure
only did the online because there weren't any shows between December and February and we missed November - i think i was sic or something at the time BUT Rennicks also wasn't out at November or early December either - think it was about dec 15th
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='103896' dateline='1484216286'nah mine is the bloody rennicks
what a flamin' drama - will buy at the local coin show dealers in future
and now I have to find somewhere else to get my pcgs holder pages etc as I won't be going back to Lismore online coins that is for sure
I'll support you on that.
Now that we are in February, is there any update of release date?
Thanks to everyone regarding the 23rd edition. Yesterday I sent the following to collectors who have left their email addresses with me for regular updates as well as dealers and other wholesalers. While it is written with the wholesalers in mind, I hope it is also of assistance to forum members. We've taken on board all the criticisms and suggestions from forum members and have practically 'rebuilt' the book from the ground up. I'll name names in the book, but I cannot close without acknowledging the feedback and support from a large number of forum members who have been extremely generous with their time and expertise.
H a good weekend
Cheers
Greg
FEBRUARY 23, 2017
UP DATE ON PROGRESS OF THE 23RD EDITION OF THE POCKETBOOK
• DELIVERY [WORST CASE SENARIO] – END OF MARCH
• OPTIMISTICALLY – ANYTIME BEFORE THEN !!!
• REASONS FOR DELAY ........
• UNPRECIATED NUMBER AND COMPLEXITY OF NEW
ISSUES PRODUCED BY BOTH MINTS
• DIFFICULTY IN SHOEHORNING ALL THE ABOVE INTO
A BOOK THAT MOST DEALERS REQUEST/ DEMAND IS
STILL UNDER 500 GMS.
• TIME IN REPLYING TO REQUESTS FROM DEALERS &
READERS REQUESTING DELIVERY UPDATES.
• MAKING A SERIOUS ATTEMPT TO PRODUCE A QUALITY PRODUCT
WITH A COMPLETE REVIEW OF PRICES [MORE OPTIMISTIC) AS
WELL AS HAVING EXPERTS OF THE CALIBRE OF JOHN O'CONNOR
PROOF READ AND ADVISE OF ANY OMISSIONS BEFORE GOING TO THE PRINTER [NOW, THERE'S A NOVEL APPROACH!].
WE ARE DETERMINED TO ENSURE THIS EDITION DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A RUSH JOB TO MEET A DEADLINE.
AT LEAST THREE-QUARTERS OF THE BOOK HAS EITHER BEEN MODIFIED OR COMPLETELY TRANSFORMED TO INCLUDE A HUGE AMOUNT OF NEW INFORMATION – INCLUDING SOME NEW DISCOVERIES BY READERS.
WE HAVE EXPANDED INFORMATION RELATING TO
PROCLAMATION COINS
HOLEY DOLLARS & DUMPS
SYDNEY MINT SOVEREIGNS
PRE-DECIMAL COINS
DECIMAL COINS – COMPLETELY NEW PRICING AND TABULATION STRUCTURE
INCLUSION OF RAM & PERTH MINT SPECIAL BULLION ISSUES FOR O/S MARKET
A HUGE EXPANSION OF THE PNC SECTION TO INCLUDE ALMOST ALL OVERPRINTS
AND SPECIAL ISSUES. A NUMBER OF ADVANCED COLLECTORS HAVE HELPED ENORMOUSLY TO COMPILE THIS VERY DETAILED SECTION
THE RE-INTRODUCTION OF THE SUPERSCRIBED & PRE-DECIMAL SPECIMEN NOTES
EXPANSION OF COLLECTOR HINTS IN THE BANKNOTE SECTION
COMPLETELY REVISED NPA SECTION.
SUMMARY
ALL THE ABOVE HAS BEEN ACHIEVED WITH ONLY EIGHT EXTRA PAGES BEING ADDED TO THE NEW EDITION COMPARED TO THE 22nd. THIS MEANS THE BOOK WILL STILL BE BELOW 500 GRAMS.
THE RETAIL PRICE REMAINS AT $39.95 AND BOOKS SHIPPED IN BOXES OF 30 BOOKS.
ORDER FORMS WILL BE SENT OUT ONLY WHEN THE BOOK IS READY TO PRINT.
TURNAROUND IS APPROXIMATELY TEN DAYS WITH PRE-PAID ORDERS BEING SHIPPED DIRECTLY FROM THE FACTORY TO SPEED UP DELIVERY TIME.
COPIES OF THE COVER WILL BE SUPPLIED AT THAT TIME. WE REGRET THAT IN THE INTEREST OF FAIRNESS TO ALL, WE WILL NOT SUPPLY ADVANCED COPIES OF THE COVER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING.
IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES TO THE ABOVE SCHEDULE, WE WILL ADVISE WITH A FURTHER EMAIL.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST AND SUPPORT. WE FEEL THAT THE WAIT WILL BE WORTH IT.
KIND REGARDS
JENNY & GREG
My goodness you have been busy.
With all that information (and only an extra eight pages) I fear I may need a magnifying glass to read it. Just kidding.
Looking forward to the new issue.
Jeff
Hi Jeff,
Good point! I should have mentioned that another time consuming aspect of preparing the new edition is that virtually every line has been changed to improve readability. Using a new type face called Arial Narrow bold, the 23rd edition will have bigger, clearer type. Where I have saved space is by re-arranging most of the pages so that there are four coins across the page instead of two or three. Even with four across the page, illustrations are still easy to identify. Overall, I think most people will see where all the time - and delays - have come from.
Cheers
Greg
Hi Greg,
Just a quick thank you to you and Jenny for my awesome chrissie present :friends: I tried calling you but it said the number was no longer in use and I messaged you but don't know if it made it to you because I moved house in early December and then I was without the net for nearly a month but just wanted you to know it arrived safely and it's greatly appreciated :thank_you:
Hope you and Jenny had a lovely chrissie and new year :)
Awww
Sweet
There's more to coin collecting than just the coins
The people connections are priceless way above and beyond the collecting itself :
Can't argue with that RG :give_heart:
Hi Ausjack & Robbiegal,
Thanks for the note. No problem. Been meaning to give you another call A/Jack. Sounds like you've been busy as well. Hate moving! Do you still have the same number.
Cheers
Greg
Quote from: 'Greg McDonald' pid='105904' dateline='1488103438'Hi Ausjack & Robbiegal,
Thanks for the note. No problem. Been meaning to give you another call A/Jack. Sounds like you've been busy as well. Hate moving! Do you still have the same number.
Cheers
Greg
Hi Greg,
Yeah mate still got the same number and it would be fantastic to catch up :yahoo: so please feel free to ring anytime and if I'm not here for some strange reason please leave your number and I'll give you a call back :good:
after the BEEP. :)
:laugh2: yes G after the "beep" :)
"beep" or "bleep" AJ? :biggrin:
Pedro
:laugh2: beep Pedro, beep :) But sometimes I'll answer the phone "Grafton morgue, you kill'em we chill'em" just to see what response I get :mocking:
I'll have to get my glasses fixed AJ :laugh2:
Reminds me of the dim dark past when I was home in Canberra on a Friday night having a couple of beers and watching the footy. Got a phone call and put on my best Spanish accent in answering and carried out a conversation with the caller. Turned out it was a senior officer from my wife's work, although not her direct boss.
Got to Monday morning at work and the gentleman in question said to my wife "I didn't realise you had Chinese home help"! :swoon:
Pedro
Qué?
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/manuel.jpg)
(oops ..... misbehaving again).
:laugh2: what a great story Pedro, love it mate :)
Quote from: 'Greg McDonald' pid='105763' dateline='1487911978'Thanks to everyone regarding the 23rd edition. Yesterday I sent the following to collectors who have left their email addresses with me for regular updates as well as dealers and other wholesalers. While it is written with the wholesalers in mind, I hope it is also of assistance to forum members. We've taken on board all the criticisms and suggestions from forum members and have practically 'rebuilt' the book from the ground up. I'll name names in the book, but I cannot close without acknowledging the feedback and support from a large number of forum members who have been extremely generous with their time and expertise.
H a good weekend
Cheers
Greg
FEBRUARY 23, 2017
UP DATE ON PROGRESS OF THE 23RD EDITION OF THE POCKETBOOK
• DELIVERY [WORST CASE SENARIO] – END OF MARCH
• OPTIMISTICALLY – ANYTIME BEFORE THEN !!!
• REASONS FOR DELAY ........
• UNPRECIATED NUMBER AND COMPLEXITY OF NEW
ISSUES PRODUCED BY BOTH MINTS
• DIFFICULTY IN SHOEHORNING ALL THE ABOVE INTO
A BOOK THAT MOST DEALERS REQUEST/ DEMAND IS
STILL UNDER 500 GMS.
• TIME IN REPLYING TO REQUESTS FROM DEALERS &
READERS REQUESTING DELIVERY UPDATES.
• MAKING A SERIOUS ATTEMPT TO PRODUCE A QUALITY PRODUCT
WITH A COMPLETE REVIEW OF PRICES [MORE OPTIMISTIC) AS
WELL AS HAVING EXPERTS OF THE CALIBRE OF JOHN O'CONNOR
PROOF READ AND ADVISE OF ANY OMISSIONS BEFORE GOING TO THE PRINTER [NOW, THERE'S A NOVEL APPROACH!].
WE ARE DETERMINED TO ENSURE THIS EDITION DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A RUSH JOB TO MEET A DEADLINE.
AT LEAST THREE-QUARTERS OF THE BOOK HAS EITHER BEEN MODIFIED OR COMPLETELY TRANSFORMED TO INCLUDE A HUGE AMOUNT OF NEW INFORMATION – INCLUDING SOME NEW DISCOVERIES BY READERS.
WE HAVE EXPANDED INFORMATION RELATING TO
PROCLAMATION COINS
HOLEY DOLLARS & DUMPS
SYDNEY MINT SOVEREIGNS
PRE-DECIMAL COINS
DECIMAL COINS – COMPLETELY NEW PRICING AND TABULATION STRUCTURE
INCLUSION OF RAM & PERTH MINT SPECIAL BULLION ISSUES FOR O/S MARKET
A HUGE EXPANSION OF THE PNC SECTION TO INCLUDE ALMOST ALL OVERPRINTS
AND SPECIAL ISSUES. A NUMBER OF ADVANCED COLLECTORS HAVE HELPED ENORMOUSLY TO COMPILE THIS VERY DETAILED SECTION
THE RE-INTRODUCTION OF THE SUPERSCRIBED & PRE-DECIMAL SPECIMEN NOTES
EXPANSION OF COLLECTOR HINTS IN THE BANKNOTE SECTION
COMPLETELY REVISED NPA SECTION.
SUMMARY
ALL THE ABOVE HAS BEEN ACHIEVED WITH ONLY EIGHT EXTRA PAGES BEING ADDED TO THE NEW EDITION COMPARED TO THE 22nd. THIS MEANS THE BOOK WILL STILL BE BELOW 500 GRAMS.
THE RETAIL PRICE REMAINS AT $39.95 AND BOOKS SHIPPED IN BOXES OF 30 BOOKS.
ORDER FORMS WILL BE SENT OUT ONLY WHEN THE BOOK IS READY TO PRINT.
TURNAROUND IS APPROXIMATELY TEN DAYS WITH PRE-PAID ORDERS BEING SHIPPED DIRECTLY FROM THE FACTORY TO SPEED UP DELIVERY TIME.
COPIES OF THE COVER WILL BE SUPPLIED AT THAT TIME. WE REGRET THAT IN THE INTEREST OF FAIRNESS TO ALL, WE WILL NOT SUPPLY ADVANCED COPIES OF THE COVER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING.
IF THERE ARE ANY CHANGES TO THE ABOVE SCHEDULE, WE WILL ADVISE WITH A FURTHER EMAIL.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST AND SUPPORT. WE FEEL THAT THE WAIT WILL BE WORTH IT.
KIND REGARDS
JENNY & GREG
Well done Greg and contributors :wavemulticolor:
Our youngest son is ALWAYS putting on voices when he calls answers or leaves a messages. We really have to listen carefully. It's almost his phone trademark.
is out yet
Quote from: 'frenc11' pid='106974' dateline='1490190646'is out yet
Nup
i think this edition will be out for xmas it we are lucky ,
Maybe should hold it back, add some more new coin releases and change it to the 2017 Edition?
Mike
not a bad idea mike
I'm not worried at all. I'm sure Greg is working very hard on it, and it will appear long before Christmas. If not, then I'll ask him to include the mintages from this year's annual report. ;)
we were told by greg end of march , where is it , has anyone heard anything or is greg finished with publishing guides
I know everyone loves Greg's Book. I know I do. And I know that trying to keep constraints on weight can be very time consuming given all the new release from the mints. I made this suggestion to Greg a couple of years ago and wondered what others thought.
My idea was to split the book into two separate books.
Either Predecimal and Decimal (As there isn't any more Predecimal coins or notes, the Predecimal book may not need updating every year) and would dramatically reduce the size and weigh of the Decimal Book.
Or
A book for coins and one for banknotes. This would allow for the increased images etc in coins.
Just my thought, I'd be interested in hearing your comments.
Predecimal and Decimal with Pre being issued say every 5 years, and the Decimal issued yearly or 2 yearly.
Decimal Coins from RAM and Decimal Banknotes from Reserve Bank would be the most anticipated guide annually
Perth coins and Pre-decimals should have their own catalogue
Separating coins and banknotes makes more sense as I am guessing that most collect one or the other, or both. Most coin collectors would collect both pre-decimals and decimals.
There might not be new pre-decimals but their prices do change.
My idea was to split the book into circulating and uncirculated releases, so noodlers like myself can easily find what we're looking for, without having to sort through pages and pages of NCLT. Another person on this forum suggested splitting it into RAM and Perth Mint releases, because a lot of collectors aren't interested in the latter. In any case, there are many different options, so it would be interesting to see which is the most practical, and the most popular with collectors.
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='108469' dateline='1494502517'My idea was to split the book into circulating and uncirculated releases, so noodlers like myself can easily find what we're looking for, without having to sort through pages and pages of NCLT. Another person on this forum suggested splitting it into RAM and Perth Mint releases, because a lot of collectors aren't interested in the latter. In any case, there are many different options, so it would be interesting to see which is the most practical, and the most popular with collectors.
I agree :wavemulticolor:
The Macca's books are widely used by dealers as a price guide when selling coins so it really needs to be published annually.
Even then the prices given in the book are only a "Guide" because the valuations of coins are "Dynamic" and they do fluctuate during each year.
Even though many collectors and dealers/sellers Now use Bluesheet, Auction results and eBay sold listings as a price guide Macca's is Still a very good numismatic publication because it contains a wealth of information other than the valuations such as mintage figures etc. that I and many other collectors find to be invaluable at times.
The amount of work and research that would go into publishing this guide each year to me would be mind boggling especially with the huge numbers of different new coins that are issued now by RAM and the Perth mint and I take my hat off to Greg for having the ability to be able to take on this Mammoth task.
Please remember that Greg is no longer a "Spring Chicken" anymore and each year his task gets more difficult because of the insane amount of new coinage being produced by the Mints makes his task of getting the guide to press much more difficult.
We will just have to be patient and just wait until Greg can eventually get everything done that he has to do in order to get the book published.:ok:
I hope he makes a lot of money out of his books. For the amount of time and effort he puts into them, he certainly deserves to make a handsome profit. :good:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='108473' dateline='1494536407'We will just have to be patient and just wait until Greg can eventually get everything done that he has to do in order to get the book published.:ok:
Rumour at the MNS meeting last night has it that this may be the final edition.
I wonder if Greg would care to enlighten us?
Hi Team,
Thanks to everyone for taking the time to enquire about the 23rd edition of the book. Sorry about the lack of communication - it's complicated.
Bit pressed for time at the moment but just a line to say the book is now all laid out, covers designed and completed. I am just updating the prices which will take about another week or so. Part of the reason for the delay is that I have been sending sections of the book to other collectors and dealers to try and minimize errors and omissions. This has been really worthwhile and I am constantly amazed just how generous people have been in sharing their time and expertise. In the past ten years or so, the growth of so many new collecting series has exploded. I must admit that I am a passenger in keeping up with some of these areas. Help from people who are particularly interested in these new series has been invaluable. They will be acknowledged in full in the book.
Just some bullet points to clear up a few points.
• Virtually every page has been re-designed to allow for almost two years of new issues being shoe-horned in the same 496 pages.
• Dealers and re-sellers will be pleased to know that the book will still be under 500 grams.
• Don't know how these rumours start, but I hope to be producing the book for many years. I know that delays with the past few books may have suggested to some people that I was losing interest. Not so. Jenny & I have been dealing with other issues that have been incredibly stressful and time consuming.
• This is not the place to discuss the delays for the past three books, except to say that the efforts of a rogue website dealer to defame me backfired. Since 2012 I have spent some 4000 hours preparing my defence for what ended up being two exhausting court cases and a heart attack to boot. The best sentence I have ever read in my life came in an email in late October 2014, when my Sydney barrister wrote to my Albury-based solicitor after the verdict in the last five-day court case was handed down by the magistrate. In part the barrister wrote :-
"I have not yet digested it fully, but it represents a total and comprehensive victory for Greg on every possible point."
In reference to the evidence given by the dealer in question, the judge concluded : "Mr. xxxxx was given ample opportunity to put his position in cross – examination, and ended up agreeing with the criticism that he was making it up as he went along. That seems to be the truth of it."
Anyway, it will all come out in the wash one day as there will be an interesting book in it. This included a fascinating hour-long chat in the court waiting room with one of the experts who helped bring the famed forger David Gee to book back in the 1970's. Always a silver lining in any situation I guess.
• And finally, thanks Trout [I think] for your post mentioning I am no "spring chicken". It's true that I don't want to drop dead tomorrow - but I could do with the rest. Not much time for you to organise an incredibly expensive present, me old mate, but tomorrow is actually my birthday and I've hit 63.
Was going to be a quiet day working on the book [story of my life] until I got a call from Jim Noble of auction fame. He and his wife, Anky, happen to be having an overnight stop in Albury and has thrown all caution to the wind and invited us to dinner tomorrow night.
We intend to start with a pre-dinner drink [or three] at the Albury Club. No big deal, unless you are a collector, of course. It turns out that the esteemed Dr Arthur Andrews of token fame was a past president and later patron of the club in the early part of the 20th century. I met some of his descendants some years ago and I wrote a story in the very first edition of the CAB magazine back in 1996.
• Assuming I survive then night with Jim, a very close friend since 1979, I will attempt to keep everyone better informed on book progress.
Thanks again for your interest and support which is very much appreciated.
Regards
Greg
Best wishes for your Birthday tomorrow Greg. Have a great one & thanks for taking the time out to update us.
Your effort Greg to take the time to update us is appreciated. Best wishes for your birthday and let's hope the rest of the production effort runs smoothly.
Regards,
Jeff
P.S. I have some years on you and I think trout does too -not to mention also several other active members here.
Quote• And finally, thanks Trout [I think] for your post mentioning I am no "spring chicken". It's true that I don't want to drop dead tomorrow - but I could do with the rest. Not much time for you to organise an incredibly expensive present, me old mate, but tomorrow is actually my birthday and I've hit 63.
You will have to PM Me you address Mate.:ok:
I am certain that I can find something for your Birthday and Better late than Never Mate :)
I am also 63 in October and pretty much like yourself I ain't dead yet But I am appreciating my leisure time a lot more than I used to :)
Very best wishes for your birthday Greg.
Hope you have a great day.
Happy Birthday Greg. :yahoo: I hope you have a great day.
Welcome back Greg thanks for the update and enjoy your birthday
Wow
Great update and story telling there -thank-you
Just so happens to be my birthday tomorrow as well - gemini's are special!!
I have taken tremendous heed from your story within the story which further affirms our decision to make our somewhat risky seachange . Constant stress for too long can have such serious consequences
I for one want to see Maccas keep on keeping on ... and look forward to the 2017 edition
Xx and enjoy the birthday celebrations with your trusted friends
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='108883' dateline='1495806537'Just so happens to be my birthday tomorrow as well - gemini's are special!!
Happy Birthday & Best Wishes to you both.
Heart attack is the first warning to slow down,time to wind everything down and start to enjoy your retirement.
Happy birthday Grweg and glad that your back on your feet.
Can't wait for the new catalogue as I really do need to update my valuation(s) for insurance purposes.
Thanks everyone for the kind words re my birthday. Had a toast to each of you in turn so it was a late night. lol.
Books coming along. It's the little things that take time. Press releases are the worst. Often have to wade through the usual 'adjectives' such as 'breathtaking beauty,' 'only a select number of collectors can own this,' etc. etc to find out if the coin is actually Australian or a ring in from Tuvalu, Cook Islands etc. Got caught out with several of the recent PNC's for 2016 and 2017. History ordained they were Australian Perth issues. I scanned the images, wrote the description and added them to the format after giving them a reference number --- then found out the issue is no longer Australian. Then there are the issue description that don't actually state if an issue is proof, bullion or specimen. And finally, why is it so hard to add the actual date that a coin fair was held when describing a special issue.
Just little things that I find frustrating. I know it makes me sound like a grumpy old man. But now, officially, I think I am one.
Cheers
Greg
Hi Greg
It's probably too late now but on page 464 Annual Dated Folders.
for the, 1997 Five Folder Set..... you have
1995 Three Folder Set.
Sorry.
Looking forwards to your new book
Cheers.
Quote from: 'Greg McDonald' pid='108984' dateline='1496237737'Thanks everyone for the kind words re my birthday. Had a toast to each of you in turn so it was a late night. lol.
Books coming along. It's the little things that take time. Press releases are the worst. Often have to wade through the usual 'adjectives' such as 'breathtaking beauty,' 'only a select number of collectors can own this,' etc. etc to find out if the coin is actually Australian or a ring in from Tuvalu, Cook Islands etc. Got caught out with several of the recent PNC's for 2016 and 2017. History ordained they were Australian Perth issues. I scanned the images, wrote the description and added them to the format after giving them a reference number --- then found out the issue is no longer Australian. Then there are the issue description that don't actually state if an issue is proof, bullion or specimen. And finally, why is it so hard to add the actual date that a coin fair was held when describing a special issue.
Just little things that I find frustrating. I know it makes me sound like a grumpy old man. But now, officially, I think I am one.
Cheers
Greg
I hear you Greg with the frustation
any chance of seeing the sheldon scale in the guide one day , as there is enough sales data out there to get the prices close to being accurate , as we all know a decimal coin in PCGS MS 70 is worth a great deal more than a coin in GEM UNC , AND SINGLE HIGHEST GRADED pcgs PRE DECIMALS are worth a serious premium over even the second highest graded
Any book regardless of Renniks or McDonald is not intended to become a valuation guide it's just a reference book
I think Greg's aim is to keep the book under 500 pages, and I don't think using the Sheldon Scale would be compatible with that. More than likely, it would make the book twice or thrice as big. ;)
Quote from: 'runway' pid='109138' dateline='1496576343'Any book regardless of Renniks or McDonald is not intended to become a valuation guide it's just a reference book
Then why is it widely used by dealers as a valuation guide when they sell coins?
The reason why Greg copped so much flack and attacks by various dealers over his last publication was because he put a more realistic list of pricings into that edition to be in line with what was actually happening in the market.
I would think that the recent volatility in the coin and note market is one of the reasons why Greg is having problems producing his latest edition.
Quoteany chance of seeing the sheldon scale in the guide one day , as there is enough sales data out there to get the prices close to being accurate , as we all know a decimal coin in PCGS MS 70 is worth a great deal more than a coin in GEM UNC , AND SINGLE HIGHEST GRADED pcgs PRE DECIMALS are worth a serious premium over even the second highest graded
Walter Eigner has this pretty much covered with his "Blue Sheet" website, This resource must be the most accurate list of coin pricings currently available for TPG graded Australian coins.
It is constantly updated and shows 99% of all the Australian coin values in "Real Time".
It can be accessed for free But for a far more detailed list of pricings a subscription is required.
Quote from: 'frenc11' pid='109136' dateline='1496575864'any chance of seeing the sheldon scale in the guide one day , as there is enough sales data out there to get the prices close to being accurate , as we all know a decimal coin in PCGS MS 70 is worth a great deal more than a coin in GEM UNC , AND SINGLE HIGHEST GRADED pcgs PRE DECIMALS are worth a serious premium over even the second highest graded
Not sure about the rest of Oz. but when i was at School in the 1960's several of the main Dealers in Sydney were using it for International as well as Oz. Coins.
Dropped out of favour in the early 1970's but looks like it may be returning in Oz. with the saturation of Slabs.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='109157' dateline='1496621860'Quote from: 'runway' pid='109138' dateline='1496576343'Any book regardless of Renniks or McDonald is not intended to become a valuation guide it's just a reference book
I stick by my opinion Trout :wavemulticolor:
Quote from: 'frenc11' pid='109136' dateline='1496575864'any chance of seeing the sheldon scale in the guide one day , as there is enough sales data out there to get the prices close to being accurate , as we all know a decimal coin in PCGS MS 70 is worth a great deal more than a coin in GEM UNC , AND SINGLE HIGHEST GRADED pcgs PRE DECIMALS are worth a serious premium over even the second highest graded
Renniks nor McDonald guides ever did or ever will list slabs they just catalogue coins in raw state as issued by RAM and Perth Mint
Quote from: 'Greg McDonald' pid='102903' dateline='1482029690'23RD EDITION TO BE PUBLISHED FEBRUARY
Dear Forum Member,
Since learning about the upcoming Renniks release in the latest CAB magazine, I have decided to hold back on releasing my book [23rd edition] until after the Holiday break.
Usually, Renniks produces a new book every two years, so this is a new strategy. I feel that two books coming out within days of each other will affect sales for both of us. I also have to take into consideration that many dealers will not want to hold unsold stocks of two books that will lie dormant for weeks over the holiday period.
The exact date for the release of the 23rd edition will depend on the printer's schedule in the New Year, but I will advise as soon as it is confirmed.
While I run the risk of losing Christmas sales, there is an upside. Renniks now prints its book overseas and there are obvious extra time delay factors involved in shipping by sea, customs clearance, etc.
I tried a similar experience with the production of the 21st edition in Singapore. However, I was frustrated by the time delay and the omission of a lot of new issues and general updates that appeared while the books were on the high seas. In some ways, I felt the book was out of date before it hit the stores.
That probably wouldn't matter much in previous years, or if you are a pre-decimal collector. However, the past 12 months has been huge for modern issue collectors. This respite will give me time to include a range of 2017 issues that are already being advertised.
The extra time also allows me to farm out the manuscript to dealers and collectors for corrections and updates. Errors and omissions in a book of this complexity are inevitable and only made worse by the last minute rush to tie up all the loose ends before heading to the printer. In particular, I am very grateful to fellow author and publisher [and all round good bloke] John O'Connor, of Noble Numismatics who is the last word on 'punctuation Correctness.'
I hope you agree that this is the best option. I don't subscribe to the glass is half empty or half full. Regardless, it clearly needs topping up.
Thank you to the many who have inquired about the book. Also a special thanks to the many forum members who have contacted me privately with updates and suggestions.
The amount of time these people have been willing to give so freely is really humbling.
In closing, both Jenny and I and the three L's [Luke, Lachlan and Lily], wish you all the best for the coming festive season. Stay safe!
Kind Regards
Greg
All good Greg best wishes
Quote from: 'runway' pid='109195' dateline='1496667705'Quote from: 'Greg McDonald' pid='102903' dateline='1482029690'23RD EDITION TO BE PUBLISHED FEBRUARY
Dear Forum Member,
Since learning about the upcoming Renniks release in the latest CAB magazine, I have decided to hold back on releasing my book [23rd edition] until after the Holiday break.
Usually, Renniks produces a new book every two years, so this is a new strategy. I feel that two books coming out within days of each other will affect sales for both of us. I also have to take into consideration that many dealers will not want to hold unsold stocks of two books that will lie dormant for weeks over the holiday period.
The exact date for the release of the 23rd edition will depend on the printer's schedule in the New Year, but I will advise as soon as it is confirmed.
While I run the risk of losing Christmas sales, there is an upside. Renniks now prints its book overseas and there are obvious extra time delay factors involved in shipping by sea, customs clearance, etc.
I tried a similar experience with the production of the 21st edition in Singapore. However, I was frustrated by the time delay and the omission of a lot of new issues and general updates that appeared while the books were on the high seas. In some ways, I felt the book was out of date before it hit the stores.
That probably wouldn't matter much in previous years, or if you are a pre-decimal collector. However, the past 12 months has been huge for modern issue collectors. This respite will give me time to include a range of 2017 issues that are already being advertised.
The extra time also allows me to farm out the manuscript to dealers and collectors for corrections and updates. Errors and omissions in a book of this complexity are inevitable and only made worse by the last minute rush to tie up all the loose ends before heading to the printer. In particular, I am very grateful to fellow author and publisher [and all round good bloke] John O'Connor, of Noble Numismatics who is the last word on 'punctuation Correctness.'
I hope you agree that this is the best option. I don't subscribe to the glass is half empty or half full. Regardless, it clearly needs topping up.
Thank you to the many who have inquired about the book. Also a special thanks to the many forum members who have contacted me privately with updates and suggestions.
The amount of time these people have been willing to give so freely is really humbling.
In closing, both Jenny and I and the three L's [Luke, Lachlan and Lily], wish you all the best for the coming festive season. Stay safe!
Kind Regards
Greg
All good Greg best wishes
what is good about being told a book is coming out in february and it is still not out in june , if i am a week behind in my job i get penalized SEVERELY and if i am 2 weeks behind i get sacked with out pay ????
Quote from: 'frenc11' pid='109215' dateline='1496750230'what is good about being told a book is coming out in february and it is still not out in june , if i am a week behind in my job i get penalized SEVERELY and if i am 2 weeks behind i get sacked with out pay ????
Has Greg accepted some form of payment from you to have this out in Feb?
You did with you salary...
Gosh
I would have been sacked years ago.
I think Greg is very hesitant and trying to get it as tight as he can after the very serious issues following the last edition
Quote from: 'frenc11' pid='109215' dateline='1496750230'Quote from: 'runway' pid='109195' dateline='1496667705'Quote from: 'Greg McDonald' pid='102903' dateline='1482029690'23RD EDITION TO BE PUBLISHED FEBRUARY
Dear Forum Member,
Since learning about the upcoming Renniks release in the latest CAB magazine, I have decided to hold back on releasing my book [23rd edition] until after the Holiday break.
Usually, Renniks produces a new book every two years, so this is a new strategy. I feel that two books coming out within days of each other will affect sales for both of us. I also have to take into consideration that many dealers will not want to hold unsold stocks of two books that will lie dormant for weeks over the holiday period.
The exact date for the release of the 23rd edition will depend on the printer's schedule in the New Year, but I will advise as soon as it is confirmed.
While I run the risk of losing Christmas sales, there is an upside. Renniks now prints its book overseas and there are obvious extra time delay factors involved in shipping by sea, customs clearance, etc.
I tried a similar experience with the production of the 21st edition in Singapore. However, I was frustrated by the time delay and the omission of a lot of new issues and general updates that appeared while the books were on the high seas. In some ways, I felt the book was out of date before it hit the stores.
That probably wouldn't matter much in previous years, or if you are a pre-decimal collector. However, the past 12 months has been huge for modern issue collectors. This respite will give me time to include a range of 2017 issues that are already being advertised.
The extra time also allows me to farm out the manuscript to dealers and collectors for corrections and updates. Errors and omissions in a book of this complexity are inevitable and only made worse by the last minute rush to tie up all the loose ends before heading to the printer. In particular, I am very grateful to fellow author and publisher [and all round good bloke] John O'Connor, of Noble Numismatics who is the last word on 'punctuation Correctness.'
I hope you agree that this is the best option. I don't subscribe to the glass is half empty or half full. Regardless, it clearly needs topping up.
Thank you to the many who have inquired about the book. Also a special thanks to the many forum members who have contacted me privately with updates and suggestions.
The amount of time these people have been willing to give so freely is really humbling.
In closing, both Jenny and I and the three L's [Luke, Lachlan and Lily], wish you all the best for the coming festive season. Stay safe!
Kind Regards
Greg
All good Greg best wishes
what is good about being told a book is coming out in february and it is still not out in june , if i am a week behind in my job i get penalized SEVERELY and if i am 2 weeks behind i get sacked with out pay ????
It's not all about YOU nor your job
There's a valid reason why book is delayed
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='109218' dateline='1496753749'Gosh
I would have been sacked years ago.
I think Greg is very hesitant and trying to get it as tight as he can after the very serious issues following the last edition
If only you knew the full story
Quote from: 'frenc11' pid='109215' dateline='1496750230'what is good about being told a book is coming out in february and it is still not out in june , if i am a week behind in my job i get penalized SEVERELY and if i am 2 weeks behind i get sacked with out pay ????
I know it's frustrating, but think about the size of the task Greg has to accomplish. He has to complete a 500-page book that's both up-to-date and completely free of errors. I don't think he's being lazy or slack. I think he's just a bit overwhelmed. I would too if I were trying to keep a complete catalogue of all the mint's products, so I'm willing to cut him a bit of slack.
Quote from: 'runway' pid='109220' dateline='1496754557'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='109218' dateline='1496753749'Gosh
I would have been sacked years ago.
I think Greg is very hesitant and trying to get it as tight as he can after the very serious issues following the last edition
If only you knew the full story
true i don't
ps
the book depository is wating too...!!
https://www.bookdepository.com/2017-Pocket-Guide-Australian-Coins-Banknotes-Greg-McDonald/9781875389094
Quote from: 'runway' pid='109190' dateline='1496665938'Quote from: 'trout' pid='109157' dateline='1496621860'Quote from: 'runway' pid='109138' dateline='1496576343'Any book regardless of Renniks or McDonald is not intended to become a valuation guide it's just a reference book
I stick by my opinion Trout :wavemulticolor:
I didn't write "Any book regardless of Renniks or McDonald is not intended to become a valuation guide it's just a reference book" You did :ok:
If the books are not intended as a valuation guide then please explain why the books list the valuations for the coins ??
These books ARE used as a valuation guide by many Dealers and coin sellers and that is why Greg copped so much "Flack" over his last edition, Which I personally think was awful behaviour as these people that attacked and bagged Greg over his valuations knew perfectly well that the coin market had taken a downturn and that they were charging the valuations that were in his previous book for coins/notes knowing fully well that these values didn't represent "Fair" market value.
Quite frankly I am amazed that Greg is even bothering to produce another guide after the way he was treated last time and do I admire his courage and determination in doing this.
So for all those thinking that Greg is being Lax or Lazy because of the delays in the publishing of his next guide, Think again.
It will be ready when it is ready So please be patient.:ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='109228' dateline='1496801648'Quote from: 'runway' pid='109190' dateline='1496665938'Quote from: 'trout' pid='109157' dateline='1496621860'Quote from: 'runway' pid='109138' dateline='1496576343'Any book regardless of Renniks or McDonald is not intended to become a valuation guide it's just a reference book
I stick by my opinion Trout :wavemulticolor:
I didn't write "Any book regardless of Renniks or McDonald is not intended to become a valuation guide it's just a reference book" You did :ok:
If the books are not intended as a valuation guide then please explain why the books list the valuations for the coins ??
These books ARE used as a valuation guide by many Dealers and coin sellers and that is why Greg copped so much "Flack" over his last edition, Which I personally think was awful behaviour as these people that attacked and bagged Greg over his valuations knew perfectly well that the coin market had taken a downturn and that they were charging the valuations that were in his previous book for coins/notes knowing fully well that these values didn't represent "Fair" market value.
Quite frankly I am amazed that Greg is even bothering to produce another guide after the way he was treated last time and do I admire his courage and determination in doing this.
So for all those thinking that Greg is being Lax or Lazy because of the delays in the publishing of his next guide, Think again.
It will be ready when it is ready So please be patient.:ok:
Have a read of the NOTE REGARDING PRICING IN THIS GUIDE trout if you have a Greg McDonald Pocket Guide handy ... fairly easy to understand mate
QuoteHave a read of the NOTE REGARDING PRICING IN THIS GUIDE trout if you have a Greg McDonald Pocket Guide handy ... fairly easy to understand mate
I am well aware of that disclaimer Peter, That doesn't alter the fact that the guide is still used when coins are sold :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='109252' dateline='1496879366'I am well aware of that disclaimer Peter, That doesn't alter the fact that the guide is still used when coins are sold :ok:
Dealers used it as a guide to 'RRP' for years,their 'buy' price was about half(or less) than what the guide showed and Ebay has reinforced that.
It doesn't alter the fact that scarce/low mint Coins/Notes in excellent condition are worth big money,often more than Greg's estimate,but its a volatile market that ebbs and flows so no Guide will ever be accurate for every listing,he says stating the obvious..
ebay ruined values for all collectables
people suddenly had a place to find and sell collectables outside of the auctions, newspapers etc
i have seen antiques shows that say ... value something at 500 pounds and qualify that several years ago the same item would have been valued at say 1,500 pounds but ebay has increased the availability and thus ... prices go down
Quoteebay has increased the availability and thus ... prices go down
Is this really a bad thing ?
Lower prices = more collectors being able to afford to collect :good:
Not so good if you are selling But :dash1:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='109252' dateline='1496879366'QuoteHave a read of the NOTE REGARDING PRICING IN THIS GUIDE trout if you have a Greg McDonald Pocket Guide handy ... fairly easy to understand mate
I am well aware of that disclaimer Peter, That doesn't alter the fact that the guide is still used when coins are sold :ok:
I know that, but in reality prices listed are estimate only but don't necessarily reflect market value at time of publishing either for a buyer or seller
QuoteI know that, but in reality prices listed are estimate only but don't necessarily reflect market value at time of publishing either for a buyer or seller
Most seasoned collectors are well aware of this, However new collectors tend to take the valuations in the book as gospel.
And unfortunately some dealers take advantage by using the valuations in there when they sell a coin at "Book" value knowing full well that the coin is worth less than the price stated in the book at the time of sale.
This is the reason why Greg got "Crucified" by some people when he brought back the valuations to some semblance of reality in his last edition.
I agree there IS a disclaimer at the front of the book that explains the difference between the valuations published and the true market values on a day to day basis But in reality very few people bother to read the preface of this publication :ok:
I will cop flack for this but anyway. Let's say auction price is $100. $100 plus 20% auction fee plus dealer margin say 30% plus gst equals $170 which should be retail buy price. Sellprice should be $100 less 20% auction fee less dealer margin of say 30% less gst on sell price which is about $40. This makes the assumption dealer is sending to auction (which many do as a large portion will not sell through their shop). Now Greg would have to get data... work all this out and publish it. Now if you don't like my sums then I imagine Greg tears his hair out coming up with what everyone considers fair. Now devils advocate here. Who care what is considered fair.....you have to work on reality. What you consider fair and reality may never meet.
Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='109313' dateline='1497177013'I will cop flack for this but anyway. Let's say auction price is $100. $100 plus 20% auction fee plus dealer margin say 30% plus gst equals $170 which should be retail buy price. Sellprice should be $100 less 20% auction fee less dealer margin of say 30% less gst on sell price which is about $40. This makes the assumption dealer is sending to auction (which many do as a large portion will not sell through their shop). Now Greg would have to get data... work all this out and publish it. Now if you don't like my sums then I imagine Greg tears his hair out coming up with what everyone considers fair. Now devils advocate here. Who care what is considered fair.....you have to work on reality. What you consider fair and reality may never meet.
OK
I'll sick my head out and try and answer this.
The coin went for $100 at auction so to my way of thinking the Market on that particular day valued this coin at $100.
Adding or subtracting all sorts of other costs doesn't change the fact that the coin is still valued at $100 on that particular day.
It is Still a $100 coin :)
HI Frenc 11,
Thanks for your post. If you are at work at the moment, send me an email. Just want you to know there is absolutely no benefit for me in bringing the book out late. Not only does it aggravate people but the longer I take to finish the book, the more I have to rely on capital. I still haven't worked out a way to make a quid while sitting at a desk, typing!
If you read between the lines of my post of May 26, [Post #55], you should note that I haven't really been in control of my life for almost six years. Over three years, I spend 4000 hours preparing my case after a muppet who has convinced himself he's a numismatic "expert" told someone that a pre-decimal proof coin I had sold them some years before was a circulation issue! In his often amusing evidence he referred to the coins denticles as "Pearlings" and on his website states that the Gallipoli landing was in 1914. Still, invading Turkey before the war actually started would certainly add to the element of surprise!
After having to admit that he falsified his affidavit, the judge awarded me the highest amount of compensation allowable. The $286,000 awarded would have been the end of it as even half of that amount would have sorted out my overdraft, home loan etc. Bit of a bugger really, when I got the news that the legal eagles kept the lot as fees and said I still owed them $37,000! This resulted in the delays with the last two books and the numerous errors occurred due to pressure to get the bboks out. This time I am double checking everything and including the improvements and corrections that I have received from many selfless collectors including so many from this forum. As I finish sections I pass them on to three or four proof-readers to swat the gremlins.
If being slack or lazy means work less than seven days a week - guilty. Just for the record, my day starts a 7.30am and generally finishes about 1am next day. Weekends have been no different since before Christmas except I get more done because of less phone calls and other interruptions.
I'm not having a go at you mate, but you can be assured that if I miss a published deadline - there will be a good reason. How would you feel if ten years ago, you paid $250,000 for a seat on Richard Branson's Virgin's Space Shuttle. Seeing he has billions at his disposal and a huge work force, I don't feel quite so bad about my $40 book being a few months late.
On a brighter note, many thanks for the words of reason expressed by Robbiegal, Trout, Shane, Pedro, Ausjack, Hercules and others. Your positive support is keeping me going.
I must heed the saying I've drilled into my three kids as they were growing up. They are all "free range" thinkers who have often been the butt of ridicule from the 'safe and steady types.'
I forget who originally said this but we should all remember that "Throughout recorded history, people have built monuments and statues to honour painters, poets, statesmen, academics, explorers and inventors --- but never for a critic!"
Well, that's enough from me. Time for a break, cup of tea and the last few laps of the Canadian GP
Cheers Greg
Great to hear from you Mate, So now I suppose we can squash the rumors that you had been kidnapped by the Russians for one of their "Think Tanks" :laugh2::)
No Trout, not the Russians. I am considering doing a few courses at the now famous Trump University. I'm looking at the comprehensive course that combines his expertise in diplomacy, vocabulary expansion and tweeting. Course lasts 45 minutes, so shouldn't delay the book by that much.
Cheers
Greg
All the best when it comes to getting the book completed Greg. You don't have to explain to people about what is going on in your private life because it is actually none of their business regardless of whether the book is out late or not.
Quote from: 'Greg McDonald' pid='109336' dateline='1497232986'No Trout, not the Russians. I am considering doing a few courses at the now famous Trump University. I'm looking at the comprehensive course that combines his expertise in diplomacy, vocabulary expansion and tweeting. Course lasts 45 minutes, so shouldn't delay the book by that much.
Cheers
Greg
I would have thought that 15 minutes would have been ample time to complete that course and that would include the advanced Bullying techniques add on :angel:
Greg McDonald wrote a guide, I-S-B-N-O,
And in this guide, he writes of coins,
Some of which you'll know,
With a penny here and a shilling there,
Here a sixpence, there a florin,
Nothing that is really foreign,
Greg McDonald wrote a guide, so all of us can know.
Greg McDonald wrote a guide, that includes a price,
He sets them with his valued knowlege,
Not just a roll of dice,
With a threepence here and a h'penny there,
Here a crown, there a dollar,
Critics you can let them holler,
Greg McDonald wrote a guide, so please try to be nice,
Greg McDonald does his best, to set the record straight,
Some buyers and sellers might may disagree,
But they can't be both your mate,
With a holey dollar here and a dump over there,
Here a mintage, there a mintage,
For some coins that are more than vintage,
Greg McDonald wrote a guide, with disclaimer he does state,
Greg McDonald wrote a guide, he prices them with grade,
My god this be a labourious task,
With all the mint has made,
With a dodecagonal here and a round one there,
Here a triangle, there a square,
Enough to drive you to despair,
Greg McDonald wrote a guide, based on what might be paid,
Greg McDonald wrote a guide, for which he copped some flack,
He might not please all, but he does please many,
So please cut him some slack,
With a general issue here, a commemorative there,
Here some silver, there some copper,
No wonder that the task's a wopper,
Greg McDonald wrote a guide, now read it front to back.
Uni, Uni, Uni :laugh2:
Pedro
I am waiting for the video clip now.
Quote from: 'Greg McDonald' pid='109325' dateline='1497208299'This time I am double checking everything and including the improvements and corrections that I have received from many selfless collectors including so many from this forum.
You need a better disclaimer, Greg. You shouldn't feel as if you have to get everything perfect in order to publish it.
Hey Greg, Humans make mistakes and dont worry too much about those little things.. At the end of the day, if there is a mistake, so what. Not life threatening if you ask me. Good luck with the book, I only have the 2013 book. However it is always next to my bed ... I use it every day to improve my knowledge.
Take care .. AP
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Quote from: 'spraggdean23' pid='109337' dateline='1497233767'All the best when it comes to getting the book completed Greg. You don't have to explain to people about what is going on in your private life because it is actually none of their business regardless of whether the book is out late or not.
:agreed::yeah_that::i_agree:
Quote from: 'Greg McDonald' pid='109355' dateline='1497260103'/Users/gregmcdonald/Desktop/BOOK pages : 02. June 1, 2017.pdf/Users/gregmcdonald/Desktop/BOOK pages : 01. June 1, 2017.pdf
:huh:
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='109353' dateline='1497256989'Hey Greg, Humans make mistakes and dont worry too much about those little things.. At the end of the day, if there is a mistake, so what. Not life threatening if you ask me. Good luck with the book, I only have the 2013 book. However it is always next to my bed ... I use it every day to improve my knowledge.
Take care .. AP
ahh ... i used to really enjoy sitting in bed and reading through maccas to teach myself about coins and values, and looking through my coin albums
i have sort of lost interest ... i need to get back on board with this hobby
i haven't been through as tough a time as Greg and he seems to have kept up his interest!!
I can't believe what he's been through but I do think he needs to recoup some revenue - so let's get the book out on the newsstands - as soon as reasonably possible!!
Move forward and get back on board with your profession
i am so sorry about that rouge trader - sounds like a bloody nightmare
I Love your work Uni :good:
Hey Unicorn!
What a nice surprise. Your poem was one of the nicest things anyone has ever done for me! I really appreciate it very much. I don't know where it will end. My daughter Lily was so impressed that she printed it out, took a pic with her phone and added it to her facebook page. If only I had this poem 40 years ago and could use it to impress 18 year old girls. Maybe we'll have to just be content with being rich once you put it to music and turn the song into a world-wide hit. Doesn't hurt to dream.
Cheers and thanks again
Greg
Greg McDonald wrote a guide, which makes lots of sense,
And in that guide he had some pounds,
Dollars and some cents,
With an orange here and a purple there,
Here a green, there a yellow,
All the colours of the rainbow,
Greg McDonald wrote a guide, filled with Aussie pence.
Gee thanks Greg, I'm so glad you like it. :good:
I suppose this is a bad time to ask(hehe) Greg to include Hutt River Coins in the next guide,he might be asked by the ATO to value some of them.LOL.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-16/hutt-river-province-decision-on-ato-fight/8624450
I reckon you might be treading on thin ice Basil :laugh2: (not that there would be any at Hutt River :biggrin:)
Pedro
It's amazing what you learn on this forum. I'd never even heard of Hutt River until this afternoon. Are they familiar with the Australian Constitution? What part of the word "indissoluble" don't they understand?
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='109438' dateline='1497599478'It's amazing what you learn on this forum. I'd never even heard of Hutt River until this afternoon.
Hey Herc ..... here's something for you ..... http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/352080958083 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/352080958083)
(I do have a sheet of these somewhere packed away). :laugh2:
I wonder why?
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='109440' dateline='1497602911'(I do have a sheet of these somewhere packed away). :laugh2:
I hope you negotiated a royalty stream for the use of your likeness Uni :biggrin:
Pedro
Yes Pedro, but I'll have to line up with the ATO on the creditors list, so my chances of a return would be ..... bugga all, they even managed to capture in colour my alter egos. Carrying those Knights in full chainmail is hard yakka!
Can anyone else hear the sound of coconut shells? Ni?
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='109441' dateline='1497603139'I wonder why?
Serendipity?
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='109438' dateline='1497599478'It's amazing what you learn on this forum. I'd never even heard of Hutt River until this afternoon. Are they familiar with the Australian Constitution? What part of the word "indissoluble" don't they understand?
They declared war on australia
Australia ignored them
They took possession of the land and set up the sovereignty (however you spell that one)
They know what they're doing
It's a kingdom
Tourist go there too
We had a similar thing occur in South Australia - The Province of Bumbunga situated near Snowtown - I have several issues of stamps from that period! :angel:
The Principality of Hutt River is a micronation in Australia. The principality claims to be an independent sovereign state and to have achieved legal status on 21 April 1970. The principality is located 517 km (354 mi) north of Perth, near the town of Northampton in the state of Western Australia. It has an area of 75 square kilometres (29 sq mi), making it larger than several independent countries.
The Principality of Hutt River is a regional tourist attraction, and issues its own currency, stamps, and passports (which are not recognised by the Australian Government or any other government).[2] The micronation was founded on 21 April 1970 by Leonard Casley, who declared his farm to be an independent country under the name Hutt River Province. He attempted to secede from Australia over a dispute surrounding wheat production quotas. A few years later, Casley began styling himself Prince Leonard and granting family members royal titles, although he did not include the word "principality" in his country's official name until 2006.
On 1 February 2017, at the age of 91 and after ruling for 45 years, Prince Leonard announced he would shortly be abdicating the throne, handing over to his youngest son,[3] with his youngest son Prince Graeme taking over the throne on 15 February 2017.[4]
Treatment by Buckingham Palace
In April 2016, the Principality of Hutt River finally received an official nod from Australia's head of state, Queen Elizabeth II. Prince Leonard, the sovereign of Hutt River, received a letter with the Queen's good wishes on the anniversary of the Principality seceding from Australia 46 years ago, on April 21, 1970. The letter from Buckingham Palace is signed by Mrs Sonia Bonici, Senior Correspondence Officer. It reads in part: "I am to convey Her Majesty's good wishes to you and to all concerned for a most enjoyable and successful celebration on 23rd and 24th of April to mark the forty-sixth anniversary of the Principality of Hutt River." The Queen was replying to a letter from Prince Leonard congratulating her on her 90th birthday.[57]
I just had a message from a dealer that Greg's Book, 23rd Edition, is going to the Printer on 3rd July, and barring any printing errors should be released approx 25th July. Retail price not known at this time.
thanks for the heads up , it seems i have been waiting an eternity for the guide
Retail is $39.95. I am taking preorders now on my website (no imaging at this stage). Doing free postage. Use coupon code "maccas" to claim this.
Www.newcastlecoins.com.au
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='109762' dateline='1498868810'I just had a message from a dealer that Greg's Book, 23rd Edition, is going to the Printer on 3rd July, and barring any printing errors should be released approx 25th July. Retail price not known at this time.
Great offer Shane thank you I just placed an order
Many thanks Shane. I, too, have ordered (#66).
Is this book out yet?
nope not out yet
Last time I spoke to Greg it is a week late. Should be out around 5th august
any chance of a picture of the cover
I'm assuming that this is what it will look like:
http://www.peribo.com.au/titles-by-publisher/greg-mcdonald-publishing/2017-pocket-guide-to-australian-coins-and-banknotes-23rd-edition
Pedro
thanks pedro , it looks like a nice cover
Heard a whisper today it may not be out till October
I hope not. If it takes that long, he might as well wait until December so he can update the mintages using data from the annual reports.
Renniks book out November
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='110546' dateline='1501761673'Heard a whisper today it may not be out till October
The book has being printed it what I was told
Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='110565' dateline='1501839762'Renniks book out November
Has the new Maccas guide been delivered yet?
it is still not here yet i think we have been fed a pack of lies
I surely doubt that be the case Frenc. Things take time and patience is a virtue, it will surely come when it's good and ready.
Hi Guys,
Not sure how these rumours start but book will be out at the end of August. With respect Frenc11, I think you are being a bit harsh. What would be the advantage to me of coming out late if there wasn't a good reason. I could list 20 here but there wouldn't be any point, except to say that the various issues that Jenny and I have had to deal with in the past six years would have killed most people.
People like Pedro know the effort I have put into this book.
You can decide for yourself when it come out ... end of August.
Thanks to others who have posted positive messages of support.
Regards
Greg
Quote from: 'Greg McDonald' pid='110580' dateline='1501900960'Hi Guys,
Not sure how these rumours start but book will be out at the end of August. With respect Frenc11, I think you are being a bit harsh. What would be the advantage to me of coming out late if there wasn't a good reason. I could list 20 here but there wouldn't be any point, except to say that the various issues that Jenny and I have had to deal with in the past six years would have killed most people.
People like Pedro know the effort I have put into this book.
You can decide for yourself when it come out ... end of August.
Thanks to others who have posted positive messages of support.
Regards
Greg
Good on you Greg :good:
I would think that the majority of the people that are pissing and moaning about your book have absolutely NO concept of the amount of time, effort and heartbreak involved in getting this to press.
Quite frankly I am amazed that you even bothered to put this latest edition together given the hurtful and sometimes quite nasty comments and responses to your last edition where you put more "Realistic" valuations into the book.
I and many others here DO appreciate that you are no longer a "Spring Chicken" and are very grateful for your dedication and efforts in producing this book despite the many hurdles that you have had to face in recent years.
The "Maccas Book" IS an important numismatic publication and it has helped many thousands of collectors ( Novice and Expert) over the years.
So once again Good On You Mate and Thank You for your tireless efforts :good:
Hi Trout,
Thank you very sincerely for your comments. Unfortunately, a lot of people just don't understand the technical aspects. It's not just knocking out something on a Word or Excel program. Anyone who has had to learn $3000 programs like InDesign and Photoshop will understand the complexity involved. The manual for Indesign runs to 800 pages and that's not an easy read. It has been two years since our last book and as this is our principal source of income, raising a six figure sum to pay for the print run after being ripped off for nearly $300,000 has proven to be a bit of a challenge. There is a lot of time devoted to contacting advertisers. Dealers want the book to be under 500grams for the best value when posting.
As the paper has to be ordered around 3 months before printing I have to calculate the weight of the paper and the quantity. The last book required 48 pallets of paper that has to be custom cut because of the unusual shape of our book. In years past, calculating the number of new issues to allow for space when calculating the number of pages was reasonably straight forward. As we all know, the number of coins coming out of both mints has been tremendous. Just when you think you're ready to go, out comes another batch of coins. Do you leave them out or try and fit them in? Bit of both, but I only leave items out if I absolutely have no room. More than likely I will completely strip down as many pages as it takes to fit them in. Finally, past books have come out with errors of all sorts. This year I have had about a dozen dealers and collectors to clean up the errors, and in the case of generous collectors such as Pedro, also provide details of their own research to share with other collectors.
I always take on all suggestions and criticisms such as errors and typos. It all takes time and while I try to offer a release date given the circumstances on the day, when you are a one man band, it doesn't take all that much to turn those plans into putty.
Sorry, not meant as a rave, but as I have worked 18 hours x 7 days for over a year, I guess I can get a bit sensitive about 'dragging the chain'.
I think that when you see the new book, you'll see where the time has been spent.
Once again, sincere thanks for all the positive comments. I'll continue to do my best.
Cheers
Greg
You are a champion Greg. The calibre of the bloke speaks for itself when after my shop fire Greg helped me get back on my feet. With the "I'll scratch you back" attitude shown by Greg I was more than happy to be involved in the proof reading of this years book. The time it took me to proof read a small chunk of the book still makes me wonder at the work involved in publishing a whole book.
:i_agree:
The amount of information to be compiled and collated is enormous (especially when the RAM is issuing new items like confetti). A sterling effort Greg!
Pedro
Hi Greg, Out of curiosity why don't you look at an ebook for the folks who want it fast and may be bit cheaper too. In the modern consumer market, it would also make more sense to have a website/app you can publish the same information and keep it updated in realtime. (And charge a subscription per month or year) Then your book is always out, people get what they want and your CODB will be lower too. Just my 2c worth. Online is the way to go once people who likes physical books move on just to put it nicely. I love your books by the way.
Can't wait for the new catalogue as I use it to put a value on my collection. Something that I have not been able to do for some time.
To save a bit of time Greg, have you thought about bringing out the book bi-annually rather than annually.
Further I like the comment re an online ebook. If you decide to go down that surely it would be easier to keep up to date with say valuations being updated once every so often.
Just my pennies worth.
Keep up the good work.
Have ordered and paid for my copy. Looking forward to receiving it.
Great response Greg thank you
Hi Greg, everybody is a critic, including me!
Unfortunately all they see is the finished article not the massive effort that goes on getting it there.
Having been involved in getting an annual catalogue together for a large electronic retailer, I can understand the number of staff required to do the research, tabulate, set up and go through all the proofing, checking and correcting and the man hours involved getting all the way to the printer. And that was for a retailer that could control the number on line items not for a supplier that just keeps adding product to the shelves by the day! (Sorry Mint guys!).
I stand in awe of the effort involved where you are doing this without a staff of 10 or so in a 'catalogue department'.
While I may take issue with the pre-decimal section not reflecting current state of the art, I do support the need for the industry standard books particularly for those starting out or trying to keep up with the myriad of issues of coin and trying to decide what is actually a coin or what is a token in the modern decimal era.
I am old enough to have seen the birth of catalogues from the original Renniks and other lists and Greg's idea of a light weight 'pocket book' format was genious and through the years was always the 'go to' list shoved into my pocket while wandering around coin fairs. They got dog eared and creased and folded right over mate but they were always GOLD.
Whether you go to Bi Yearly or E book in some way please keep doing it.
Cheers, Fred Lever.
I like the idea of a hard copy, because it means you don't need a tablet or smartphone in order to read it at a coin fair, but considering the amount of time Greg spends putting it together, I certainly wouldn't blame him for moving to an eBook. For those who don't have Fred Lever's catalogue, it's nowhere near as detailed as Greg's, so if Fred says it took a lot of time and effort to put his catalogue together, you can barely imagine what Greg's going through at the moment. Keep up the good work Greg! We're all dying to get this book in our hands. :good:
I another life I was a printer, (Camera operator & plate maker) then an estimator & purchase officer. Which enables me to sympathies with Greg about the problems of putting a book like this out into the market.
I would hope that it doesn't become an E book, if it does it wont be long before people are giving it away for free on the net & Greg will lose too much money that it will not be worth his while to put it out.
There are plenty of ways to stop people from sharing on the net. However none of them are 100% fool proof. Other thing is to consider is if you price it right people wont try to steal it. It wont be worth the effort. Anyways thats my thought. I personally dont by printed books anymore as it is painful for me. But thats me and the generation who loves tablets and smartphones.
Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='110391' dateline='1501145350'Last time I spoke to Greg it is a week late. Should be out around 5th august
Quote from: 'runway' pid='110569' dateline='1501851391'Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='110565' dateline='1501839762'Renniks book out November
Has the new Maccas guide been delivered yet?
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='110614' dateline='1502001808'There are plenty of ways to stop people from sharing on the net. However none of them are 100% fool proof. Other thing is to consider is if you price it right people wont try to steal it. It wont be worth the effort. Anyways thats my thought. I personally dont by printed books anymore as it is painful for me. But thats me and the generation who loves tablets and smartphones.
i only use tablets and smart phones as they are easier and lighter to carry around than books
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='110586' dateline='1501916087'Hi Greg, Out of curiosity why don't you look at an ebook for the folks who want it fast and may be bit cheaper too. In the modern consumer market, it would also make more sense to have a website/app you can publish the same information and keep it updated in realtime. (And charge a subscription per month or year) Then your book is always out, people get what they want and your CODB will be lower too. Just my 2c worth. Online is the way to go once people who likes physical books move on just to put it nicely. I love your books by the way.
FFS
"MOVE ON TO PUT IT NICELY"
Some of the members here are just getting so insulting to the older members here
It really is too much
Hello Robbie, My apologies if I offended anyone (obviously I offended at least one person). It was not my intention. My intention was to convey my message around technology and expected customer experience in the modern world. (Gen X. Gen Y and millennials are/will be the majority of consumers now and the future. Hence any product and services that do not address their needs will not be as successful as the ones that do address the needs of the abovementioned).
Lets not discuss my comment and the negative connotation you derived from it any further as the use of poor wording in my statement was taken out of context.
Kind regards
AP
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='110694' dateline='1502192277'Hello Robbie, My apologies if I offended anyone (obviously I offended at least one person). It was not my intention. My intention was to convey my message around technology and expected customer experience in the modern world. (Gen X. Gen Y and millennials are/will be the majority of consumers now and the future. Hence any product and services that do not address their needs will not be as successful as the ones that do address the needs of the abovementioned).
Lets not discuss my comment and the negative connotation you derived from it any further as the use of poor wording in my statement was taken out of context.
Kind regards
AP
i hear you AUS PROOF , any one who does not embrace new technology will go the way of the dinosaur
Maybe its that people just don't want to accept the new technology and want to retain the dinosaur way.
Some of the new technology is a real pain the behind whilst the dinosaur technology is more acceptable.
I have to admit I love dinosaurs.
Some modern technology is very dangerous.
An opinion from an old fart...me!
:i_agree: From my perspective it's a bit like all this robotic tech stuff that the world seems infatuated with. What's the point if we are all out of work, and no one can afford the product, let alone a massive morale issue and lack of incentive. What's that I hear people say? it's all done this way so we have easier and better lives? Only while I believe in the tooth fairy heh :dodgy:
AP
[/quote]i hear you AUS PROOF , any one who does not embrace new technology will go the way of the dinosaur
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Considering cash is being quickly phased out within the next decade and the minting of new issues of coins will cease there won't be a need for updates to coin catalogues so I'd prefer to have a solid tactile book to put on the shelf as a memento of a bygone era. One computer virus, an infected cloud server, a host that pulls a stunt like recently happened with photobucket or a lost password and your e-book is gone forever.
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='110719' dateline='1502278614'... I'd prefer to have a solid tactile book to put on the shelf as a memento of a bygone era. One computer virus, an infected cloud server, a host that pulls a stunt like recently happened with photobucket or a lost password and your e-book is gone forever.
That's why I prefer hard copies. However, soft copies are better if your house burns down, because it's much easier to carry a portable drive than a massive pile of books. It's also much easier to save them from flooding, because you can easily reprint them instead of having to buy them all over again. :ok:
This has turned into a very important and illuminating thread. Considering the many opinions of how Greg's book is best delivered, as well as the angst displayed by some over it's late arrival, sure does indicate that Greg's work is appreciated and is in high demand. :good:
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='110753' dateline='1502410979'This has turned into a very important and illuminating thread. Considering the many opinions of how Greg's book is best delivered, as well as the angst displayed by some over it's late arrival, sure does indicate that Greg's work is appreciated and is in high demand. :good:
Thank god :wavemulticolor:
Someone saw the intent behind all the comments... Nice work Auto.
:i_agree: It certainly shows some very clear thinking! :good:
Quote from: 'frenc11' pid='110698' dateline='1502242034'Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='110694' dateline='1502192277'Hello Robbie, My apologies if I offended anyone (obviously I offended at least one person). It was not my intention. My intention was to convey my message around technology and expected customer experience in the modern world. (Gen X. Gen Y and millennials are/will be the majority of consumers now and the future. Hence any product and services that do not address their needs will not be as successful as the ones that do address the needs of the abovementioned).
Lets not discuss my comment and the negative connotation you derived from it any further as the use of poor wording in my statement was taken out of context.
Kind regards
AP
i hear you AUS PROOF , any one who does not embrace new technology will go the way of the dinosaur
So i am asked to discontinue making any further comment but other members can add further insult such as referring to older members as dinosours.
You guys think you know it all and can dictate terms and conditions as if you have expertise across all areas of numismatics and life itself.
Yet we have lovely young IT savvy couple running this forum , operating phenominal internet blogg and internet numismatic business - i don't believe that i have witnessed evidence of your brilliance beyond insults to other members.
I find the whole school prefect gang mentality quite immature and revolting.
Quote from: 'frenc11' pid='110698' dateline='1502242034'Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='110694' dateline='1502192277'
i hear you AUS PROOF , any one who does not embrace new technology will go the way of the dinosaur
Most of us here embrace the new technology!
But I feel a reference book that has taken an enormous amount of work to compile, is very much like a song or a piece of music, that a musician puts their heart & soul into, not to mention their time, only to have it put online where it can be downloaded at will with no consideration or recompense going to the person who is the original artist.
I am sorry to burst all the "Young Un's" Bubble here But a great number of us Old Farts or "Dinosaurs" as some have quaintly labelled us Do have a Good grasp of the latest technology.
This doesn't mean that Macca's Book is outdated just because it is served up in printed form, It is what it is and that is a bloody good reference book :ok:
There are many numismatic publications in the "Old Fashioned" printed form and IF many of the so called "Enlightened" tech savvy new gen weren't so bone idle and actually made the effort of actually reading some of these books instead of having their eyes glued to their smart phones/tablets facelicking etc. then Maybe just Maybe they would appreciate and be far better informed about this hobby.
If some of you young Pups think you could do a better job than Greg and want your work to be published digitally then Go for It.
I like RG am a little bit annoyed with people that don't have anywhere near the same knowledge and experience that Greg has telling him how to do his job :(
End of Rant
Hi All,
Just to set the record straight, I did not suggest that I am a numismatic expert, know everything about life, Greg should stop producing printed books or I am a genius. All I said was if Greg can produce a digital form of the book he might get bit more market share, Greg can publish his valuable book bit faster than a printed copy (ie no printing, no distribution to sales agents and then to the end consumer) via a digital method. This is as well as a printed copy. Again I said that with good intentions towards Greg. If Greg's target market is only people buying printed book, then no need to worry about any digital methods.
It is disheartening to see people gets personal and take it down to a very immature levels when they dont agree with someone else's opinion. I did not target any individual or a group, thats why I put an apology in my post. Good luck to Greg and his book. Hopefully I will see it available for sale soon.
The way I see things in life is very simple, every generation needs to take a step forward to do something innovative so the whole human kind can benefit from it.
Feedback is a rough diamond, its up to the recipient to pick it up or to kick it away...
Hope you all have a wonderful day .... Here are some thought provoking facts for your perusal.
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Quote from: 'trout' pid='110771' dateline='1502548413'I am sorry to burst all the "Young Un's" Bubble here But a great number of us Old Farts or "Dinosaurs" as some have quaintly labelled us Do have a Good grasp of the latest technology.
I'm a similar age to you Jim and agree 100% with your thoughts but it is time for a Digital Copy to be out there even if its provided with the Book sale.
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='110776' dateline='1502581167'Quote from: 'trout' pid='110771' dateline='1502548413'I am sorry to burst all the "Young Un's" Bubble here But a great number of us Old Farts or "Dinosaurs" as some have quaintly labelled us Do have a Good grasp of the latest technology.
I'm a similar age to you Jim and agree 100% with your thoughts but it is time for a Digital Copy to be out there even if its provided with the Book sale.
The major drawback with a digital copy is that it would be "Pirated" En Mass pretty much as soon as it was published and as this publication is pretty much Greg's main source of income he would be foolhardy to do this.
It's all well and good to say that a digital copy would be highly useful and acceptable and I agree with this.
The sad truth is that the majority of people would get a free pirate copy instead of paying for it and Greg would be out of business.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='110778' dateline='1502583237'The major drawback with a digital copy is that it would be "Pirated" En Mass pretty much as soon as it was published and as this publication is pretty much Greg's main source of income he would be foolhardy to do this.
It's all well and good to say that a digital copy would be highly useful and acceptable and I agree with this.
The sad truth is that the majority of people would get a free pirate copy instead of paying for it and Greg would be out of business.
Not these days Jim(depending on the Soft Ware),basic SW that allows the download to be only viewed on the Device it was downloaded to is not expensive and stops the majority of people thwarting it.More exotic SW that can't be hacked,stops people printing copies and has a limited life eg.,1 year,can be expensive but well worth Greg looking at.
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='110781' dateline='1502590086'Quote from: 'trout' pid='110778' dateline='1502583237'The major drawback with a digital copy is that it would be "Pirated" En Mass pretty much as soon as it was published and as this publication is pretty much Greg's main source of income he would be foolhardy to do this.
It's all well and good to say that a digital copy would be highly useful and acceptable and I agree with this.
The sad truth is that the majority of people would get a free pirate copy instead of paying for it and Greg would be out of business.
Not these days Jim(depending on the Soft Ware),basic SW that allows the download to be only viewed on the Device it was downloaded to is not expensive and stops the majority of people thwarting it.More exotic SW that can't be hacked,stops people printing copies and has a limited life eg.,1 year,can be expensive but well worth Greg looking at.
So unlike my hard copies that I keep forever the digital download goes poof after a year? :-/ And if my device that I download to gets lost/broken or gets hacked or otherwise becomes unusable then at any time I have lost my years subscription?:to_pick_ones_nose_eat: And I cannot photocopy/print out a page from the eBook because the software stops me?:@ I also like the fact that I can lend my hard copy to another person for a few minutes at a coin sale without the risk of my device getting compromised. I also like that I can pencil in notes into my hard copy (like sale prices) to view years later.
I can go and see details in my 35 year old Renniks any time I want. From that era I also have several floppy disks of research data (I was a lab tech) that I cannot view as I don't have a device that can play them, in the same vein I doubt that I would be able to view any electronic book that I purchase today in well less than 35 years (along with my VHS tapes, cassette tapes etc). I print hard copies of all my coin research and want hard copies of my books and magazines.
Yeah,mostly valid points but the younger generation are mostly only into Digital even at School now,that's why i suggested a Digital Copy be tied to a Book sale.
Anyway probably a moot point as by the tone of things Greg is winding things down.
Let's take it easy here peoples or I will have to start editing. And my editing usually involves mass deletion and in that case we often lose important informative information. I would ask that we refrain from rudeness and think about what we type and how that affects our members and their feelings. I understand it's easy to hide behind a keyboard or comment without considering others. Yes we are allowed opinions but they can be put forward in a respectful way and I know Greg is always happy for critical feedback as it does help with future editions. Just say it nicely or provide it to Greg privately.
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='110781' dateline='1502590086'Quote from: 'trout' pid='110778' dateline='1502583237'The major drawback with a digital copy is that it would be "Pirated" En Mass pretty much as soon as it was published and as this publication is pretty much Greg's main source of income he would be foolhardy to do this.
It's all well and good to say that a digital copy would be highly useful and acceptable and I agree with this.
The sad truth is that the majority of people would get a free pirate copy instead of paying for it and Greg would be out of business.
Not these days Jim(depending on the Soft Ware),basic SW that allows the download to be only viewed on the Device it was downloaded to is not expensive and stops the majority of people thwarting it.More exotic SW that can't be hacked,stops people printing copies and has a limited life eg.,1 year,can be expensive but well worth Greg looking at.
That's the main reason I don't buy eBooks - because I lose access to them the moment I buy a new hard drive or reformat an old one, thereby requiring me to buy the eBook all over again. There's also the possibility that the author or publisher will withdraw your rights to read the eBook in future, thereby preventing you from getting the information that you need. Although I'm sure that Greg would never do this, it's good to know that if the book is ever withdrawn from sale, I'll still have a permanent copy of it. ;)
is it out yet , my 10 yr old daughter wants to buy it for me for fathers day , or should i tell her to buy me something else????
Now I don not know if this is fact or fiction....but a dealer told me that the book has been printed for some time but Greg did not want to release it because Renniks book had been released and would reduce his sales?
Quote from: 'humpybong' pid='110944' dateline='1503399961'Now I don not know if this is fact or fiction....but a dealer told me that the book has been printed for some time but Greg did not want to release it because Renniks book had been released and would reduce his sales?
My understanding was that he was going to release it just before Christmas last year, but decided to delay it until February so he wouldn't have to compete with Renniks. Unfortunately, we're still waiting for it, so I can only assume that he's still trying to improve the layout of it.
it was delayed for a number of reasons including medical and personal issues. It was supposed to be out end of July but posted elsewhere on this form new ETA is late August.
Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='110963' dateline='1503458124'it was delayed for a number of reasons including medical and personal issues. It was supposed to be out end of July but posted elsewhere on this form new ETA is late August.
does that mean i will be reading it on fathers day
Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='110963' dateline='1503458124'it was delayed for a number of reasons including medical and personal issues. It was supposed to be out end of July but posted elsewhere on this form new ETA is late August.
Thanks Shane :wavemulticolor:
CAB magazine ad says available now.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='111003' dateline='1503639470'CAB magazine ad says available now.
Thanks PP, where can I buy a copy ? Would you know ?
thanks for the heads up , i will look forward to reading it on fathers day
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='111003' dateline='1503639470'CAB magazine ad says available now.
Definitely not available now!
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='111004' dateline='1503643974'Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='111003' dateline='1503639470'CAB magazine ad says available now.
Thanks PP, where can I buy a copy ? Would you know ?
I am taking preorders
Hey Bigfellai5,
Thanks for that. When the book is available I will buy a copy. If book doesnt come out soon enough, then I might try the Renniks book this year.
Just noticed you sell Renniks as well. I will buy one or the other from you :wavemulticolor:
Thanks !
Hi Team,
It's obvious that the CAB magazine is a lot more reliable in coming out on time than I am. I booked the advert space about six weeks ago when the book was all but finished. Didn't expect all the technical issues I had when I tried to transfer the files to a PDF file and then send off to the printer. Anyway it was eventually sorted and the book is currently being printed. Binding starts next Friday Sept 1 and should be in the shops soon after - maybe not in time for Fathers Day - sorry. Thanks to everyone for their support and patience.
I would also endorse forum members purchasing their copy from Shane [Big Fella]. It's a brave person who can make a go of a bricks and mortar coin shop these days - especially when some muppet almost burnt it to the ground in a bungled breaking some years ago. Despite his busy schedule, Shane was very generous in reading, proofing and suggesting improvements to a big slab of the new book.
This has been a very interesting thread and I have learned a lot about the pros and cons of an ebook. Something I will get advice on after I have a well earned nervous breakdown.
Thanks to all. Now the book is done at my end, I'll get onto the many emails that have built up. Thanks again for your patience
Regards
Greg
Good news!!
Once youre back in the swing of things next years will be easier
Maybe have a well earned holiday instead of a breakdown mate!
For an ebook - I'd highly recommend seeking a consultation with the Purple Penny business - I am most confident that you would get not only sensible rational and a high level of contemporaneous IT expertise advice but you're dealing with people who know coins as well.
Thanks again and I hope the sales make the long haul worth it. Xx Robbie
Quote from: 'Greg McDonald' pid='111014' dateline='1503665397'Hi Team,
It's obvious that the CAB magazine is a lot more reliable in coming out on time than I am. I booked the advert space about six weeks ago when the book was all but finished. Didn't expect all the technical issues I had when I tried to transfer the files to a PDF file and then send off to the printer. Anyway it was eventually sorted and the book is currently being printed. Binding starts next Friday Sept 1 and should be in the shops soon after - maybe not in time for Fathers Day - sorry. Thanks to everyone for their support and patience.
I would also endorse forum members purchasing their copy from Shane [Big Fella]. It's a brave person who can make a go of a bricks and mortar coin shop these days - especially when some muppet almost burnt it to the ground in a bungled breaking some years ago. Despite his busy schedule, Shane was very generous in reading, proofing and suggesting improvements to a big slab of the new book.
This has been a very interesting thread and I have learned a lot about the pros and cons of an ebook. Something I will get advice on after I have a well earned nervous breakdown.
Thanks to all. Now the book is done at my end, I'll get onto the many emails that have built up. Thanks again for your patience
Regards
Greg
Good onya Greg and Shane :wavemulticolor:
QuoteI would also endorse forum members purchasing their copy from Shane [Big Fella]. It's a brave person who can make a go of a bricks and mortar coin shop these days - especially when some muppet almost burnt it to the ground in a bungled breaking some years ago. Despite his busy schedule, Shane was very generous in reading, proofing and suggesting improvements to a big slab of the new book.
+1
Well done Shane for giving Greg a hand with this new edition, Good on you Mate :good:
I for one will be getting this book when it becomes available from "Newcastle Coins" to support Shane's endeavours :ok:
Quote from: 'frenc11' pid='110940' dateline='1503396546'is it out yet , my 10 yr old daughter wants to buy it for me for fathers day , or should i tell her to buy me something else????
Quote from: 'Greg McDonald' pid='111014' dateline='1503665397'Binding starts next Friday Sept 1 and should be in the shops soon after - maybe not in time for Fathers Day - sorry.
Oh, well. I guess you can always look forward to a good old-fashioned refidex or a pair of socks. They're the traditional father's day gifts. :winkextra:
It's been a cold winter
Im going to suggest the sons get their father slippers
The Myers catalouge has some nice looking ones in it
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='111067' dateline='1503844529'It's been a cold winter
Not in Brisbane. Our average temperature for August was 25°, and we even hit 32° on Ekka Thursday, so I was grateful they had the Pirate's Revenge flume ride there. I reckon they would have made a lot of money during this year's Ekka.
I am getting a gift voucher for bunnings now , i think they want me to do some work around the house instead of looking at coins
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='111065' dateline='1503827963'Quote from: 'frenc11' pid='110940' dateline='1503396546'is it out yet , my 10 yr old daughter wants to buy it for me for fathers day , or should i tell her to buy me something else????
Quote from: 'Greg McDonald' pid='111014' dateline='1503665397'Binding starts next Friday Sept 1 and should be in the shops soon after - maybe not in time for Fathers Day - sorry.
Oh, well. I guess you can always look forward to a good old-fashioned refidex or a pair of socks. They're the traditional father's day gifts. :winkextra:
I am getting a gift voucher for bunnings now , i think they want me to do some work around the house instead of looking at coins
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='111078' dateline='1503878398'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='111067' dateline='1503844529'It's been a cold winter
Not in Brisbane. Our average temperature for August was 25°, and we even hit 32° on Ekka Thursday, so I was grateful they had the Pirate's Revenge flume ride there. I reckon they would have made a lot of money during this year's Ekka.
Gee we are still in the minus overnight
Averaging -1 to -3 this week
A few weeks ago -7
I am from Brisbane but haven't lived there for a long time. Still have family there though
Haven't been to the Ekka since I was a teen
Always liked going but never remember it being that hot
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='111112' dateline='1503956718'I am from Brisbane but haven't lived there for a long time. Still have family there though
Haven't been to the Ekka since I was a teen
Always liked going but never remember it being that hot
It varies from year to year. We usually get a few really hot days in August, but most of them are in the low twenties. I find myself continually taking my jumper on and off, depending on what time of day it is. I lived in Canberra a few years ago, so I know how cold it gets down there. Just hang in there, and it should warm up around October or November.
I have just spent 3 weeks of this Winter in the Pilbara, 15C-33C :angel:
we spent Sunday in an air-condition office .
CABOOLTURE HOSPITAL .
dawn had very bad pains in the middle of her chest , so I rang the ambulance at 9.45 am , sun morning and at 10 am she was on her way to the hospital ,
we arrived back home at 8.05 pm , long day .
they did all the usual test and we go to our own doctor tomorrow at 1.30 pm for the results . so far all is going fine with her ...
Pleased to hear that Kel
Ps minus 3 tonight!@!
Brrrrrrrrr
Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='109774' dateline='1498886894'Retail is $39.95. I am taking preorders now on my website (no imaging at this stage). Doing free postage. Use coupon code "maccas" to claim this.
Www.newcastlecoins.com.au
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='109762' dateline='1498868810'I just had a message from a dealer that Greg's Book, 23rd Edition, is going to the Printer on 3rd July, and barring any printing errors should be released approx 25th July. Retail price not known at this time.
Hey Bigfellani,
Do you know if the book will be out soon ?
FYI the coupon code has expired. I am okay with that as long as book will be out and available to ship soon. Cheers AP
I think I set up coupon code to expire a month after the original release date. As far as I know the book went to the book last week. I am therefore guessing a week or two away unless there is another update from Greg. I will set the coupon code up tomorrow for a few more weeks so you guys don't miss out on the free postage offer
Thanks Bigfellani, once I know the book is out or have a definitive date I will order a copy ... Thanks again.
I just went to order the book on Newcastle Coins weppage and put in the "macca's" coupon code and I got this message....
Warning: Coupon is either invalid, expired or reached its usage limit!
Regards Mike
Will be fixing this today
Does anyone know whether Greg's new book will have the Possum Magic coins in it?
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='111353' dateline='1504484923'Does anyone know whether Greg's new book will have the Possum Magic coins in it?
I doubt it.
Hi Everyone,
Printer started shipping books today. Most dealers should have copies in the next few days. WA, maybe next week.
No possum magic coins in the book at this stage. I couldn't add anything to the information that is currently available on the mint website or repeated on dozens of websites. It will, of course, be listed in the next book when final mintage figures and any price variations will become available. There are a few of the very recent issues that I decided to hold over until next year for the same reasons. Space is really a serious issue these days for reasons already explained.
To include the very latest issues would have meant deleting a lot of new research associated with older issues and I think most readers will be happy with the mix we have come up with.
Anyway, I hope everyone feels we've made a real effort to spruce things up.
Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this topic. Even well meaning criticism is fine. That's how things get fixed.
Regards
Greg
Thanks Greg, all the best with the sales. I will do my bit and order a copy soon.
Once again all my feedback or criticism is intended as constructive criticism/feedback. Glad to see you have the wisdom and maturity to accept it as intended.
Long live the macca's book.
Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='111338' dateline='1504420163'I think I set up coupon code to expire a month after the original release date. As far as I know the book went to the book last week. I am therefore guessing a week or two away unless there is another update from Greg. I will set the coupon code up tomorrow for a few more weeks so you guys don't miss out on the free postage offer
Done and dusted. Thanks again for your help... very much appreciated. :wavemulticolor:
Coupon code works as well...
Got he order mate. Set the coupon code till the end of September for anyone else interested
Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='111370' dateline='1504526774'Got he order mate. Set the coupon code till the end of September for anyone else interested
All good mate, Thank you for your generosity.:thank_you:
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='111371' dateline='1504527032'Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='111370' dateline='1504526774'Got he order mate. Set the coupon code till the end of September for anyone else interested
All good mate, Thank you for your generosity.:thank_you:
Yep. I don't like pre-ordering books because then I'm essentially handing over money without getting anything in return, but once the books are in stock, I'll certainly buy one. :)
i will look forward
to getting a copy in the next few weeks
If you wish to take advantage of Shane's kind offer then this will save you searching back nine pages in this thread to find it.
QuoteRetail is $39.95. I am taking preorders now on my website (no imaging at this stage -image is now there). Doing free postage. Use coupon code "maccas" to claim this.
Order here (http://newcastlecoins.com.au/index.php?route=product/product&path=145_177&product_id=1306)
I have placed my order and sent bank payment. Looking forward to receiving the new edition.
Surely Greg there must be a less stressful way of making a living.
Then again no new Maccas would stress a lot of collectors.
Maccas has hit my shelf.....will have all orders packaged tomorrow.
Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='111380' dateline='1504594090'Maccas has hit my shelf.....will have all orders packaged tomorrow.
Do we have to choose any particular type of shipping in order to get free shipping, or can we just choose any?
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='111382' dateline='1504598056'Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='111380' dateline='1504594090'Maccas has hit my shelf.....will have all orders packaged tomorrow.
Do we have to choose any particular type of shipping in order to get free shipping, or can we just choose any?
I would think that expecting free Express postage is just being Greedy.
I am sure that standard postage is the Free option :)
I just ordered mine :good:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='111383' dateline='1504602898'Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='111382' dateline='1504598056'Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='111380' dateline='1504594090'Maccas has hit my shelf.....will have all orders packaged tomorrow.
Do we have to choose any particular type of shipping in order to get free shipping, or can we just choose any?
I would think that expecting free Express postage is just being Greedy.
I am sure that standard postage is the Free option :)
I just ordered mine :good:
Just checking. I don't want to still be waiting for mine while everyone else is chatting about it online, but I suppose you Western Australians have to put up with that all the time. :winkextra:
I just accepted whatever postage option was already checked. Assumed that would be the one.
Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='111380' dateline='1504594090'Maccas has hit my shelf.....will have all orders packaged tomorrow.
great
I had mine registered in case it gets lost in the mail, but chose the non-express option to save Shane some money. :)
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='111385' dateline='1504604677'I just accepted whatever postage option was already checked. Assumed that would be the one.
Same with my order, parcel post comes with tracking so all good ...
It is Good to see our members supporting a fellow member :yahoo:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='111390' dateline='1504606595'It is Good to see our members supporting a fellow member :yahoo:
It is always a pleasure :yahoo: based on the activity level in this thread I would have expected lot more orders to support Greg... Actions speak louder than words:angel:
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='111392' dateline='1504607393'Quote from: 'trout' pid='111390' dateline='1504606595'It is Good to see our members supporting a fellow member :yahoo:
It is always a pleasure :yahoo: based on the activity level in this thread I would have expected lot more orders to support Greg... Actions speak louder than words:angel:
Give them time Mate, $40 is a lot of money for many of our members :ok:
Books are now in stock to Gregs supporting stockists
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='111382' dateline='1504598056'Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='111380' dateline='1504594090'Maccas has hit my shelf.....will have all orders packaged tomorrow.
Do we have to choose any particular type of shipping in order to get free shipping, or can we just choose any?
Hi mate....free standard post. This gives me about $3 per book. Express puts me in a loss situation.
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='111392' dateline='1504607393'Quote from: 'trout' pid='111390' dateline='1504606595'It is Good to see our members supporting a fellow member :yahoo:
It is always a pleasure :yahoo: based on the activity level in this thread I would have expected lot more orders to support Greg... Actions speak louder than words:angel:
I think you'll find that most of the activity in this thread has been created by only a small number of members. Even though there are 224 replies, there are probably only 5 or 10 regular contributors. Hopefully, the lurkers will also decide to buy the book from Shane. :)
Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='111395' dateline='1504610764'Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='111382' dateline='1504598056'Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='111380' dateline='1504594090'Maccas has hit my shelf.....will have all orders packaged tomorrow.
Do we have to choose any particular type of shipping in order to get free shipping, or can we just choose any?
Hi mate....free standard post. This gives me about $3 per book. Express puts me in a loss situation.
According to your terms and conditions:
Quote5. Newcastle Coins will not be held responsible for items lost during delivery. Customers who do not opt for registered post or insurance do so at their own risk. Refunds or replacement items will not be available to items lost in transit.
As a result of this clause, I opted for registered post, even though it costs an extra $3. Please let me know whether this would put you in a loss-making situation, so I can pay the extra money. :)
I'd think that most customers would be happy to pay extra for postage additionals like registered and express or tracking.
Same applies to most ebay traders
Some other members may also have their dealers who they buy through on an annual basis which would never be an intention to offend Shane. And then some may just purchase but not necessarily annouce it in this thread. And so on.
The offer is on the table and members here can decide to take up the fantastic offer or not!
Hercules - Australia Post has an automatic $50 cover providing the sender has proof of postage (receipt etc).
Just to let everyone know...all current orders for the Maccas Book I have taken are now shipped. Hopefully Aussie Post deliver this quickly.
Happy reading!
Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='111409' dateline='1504680012'Just to let everyone know...all current orders for the Maccas Book I have taken are now shipped.
Thanks, Shane.
Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='111409' dateline='1504680012'Hopefully Aussie Post deliver this quickly.
...and catch up with the flying pigs.
That's good.
Now to see how Australia Post performs. Who will be first to claim arrival?
I should get my copy by next Friday :angel:
Just got my copy.
Thanks Shane that was quick.
Thanks Greg, there's some reading over the weekend.
Betcha glad it's out & delivered. Sit back & have a sip of wine now.
I always knew the first person to receive it would be a Sydneysider. I reckon mine will come on Monday. :)
I thought there should be an Ex- in that sentence Herc? :laugh2:
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='111477' dateline='1504862039'I always knew the first person to receive it would be a Sydneysider. I reckon mine will come on Monday. :)
Mid North Coast.
Quote from: 'interest' pid='111493' dateline='1504875785'Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='111477' dateline='1504862039'I always knew the first person to receive it would be a Sydneysider. I reckon mine will come on Monday. :)
Mid North Coast.
Then maybe you should update your profile, because it still says "Sydney".
38 pages of PNC's
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='111494' dateline='1504875925'Quote from: 'interest' pid='111493' dateline='1504875785'Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='111477' dateline='1504862039'I always knew the first person to receive it would be a Sydneysider. I reckon mine will come on Monday. :)
Mid North Coast.
Then maybe you should update your profile, because it still says "Sydney".
Thanks, just done that.
Just placed my order. :) I have been a away on holiday. Looking forward to it.
Had a quick look thru yesterday, couldn't see any improvement in the listing of major pre decimal varieties, which is disappointing. Good to get the book though, first one for a few years.
I received my book yesterday.
I agree with Auto about the pre decimal coins.
Don't agree with him AP it will only go to his head :whistle2: :)
Hi Auto,
Here's your big chance. If you look at page 99 you see the following statement just under the info about the Royal Visit Florin. It reads
WE WANT TO EXPAND THIS SECTION OF OUR BOOK
With each edition we endeavour to improve established areas of collecting as well as introducing the latest issues and new finds. In the next edition we are planning a complete overhaul of the predecimal silver and bronze series from 1910 to 1964. In particular we want to include information and scans of overdates and die varieties to complement the attention to detail you'll find in the sovereign & half sovereign section. If you wish to patricipate, please contact me on
>gregmcdonaldpublishing@gmail.com<
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='111511' dateline='1504939545'Don't agree with him AP it will only go to his head :whistle2: :)
Good to see you are back mate... obviously temp is going up :yahoo:
Back to the topic, I always try to more and more information about the pre decimal coins.. so any avenue to get my knowledge improved is a good one.
Quote from: 'Greg McDonald' pid='111512' dateline='1504940634'Hi Auto,
Here's your big chance. If you look at page 99 you see the following statement just under the info about the Royal Visit Florin. It reads
WE WANT TO EXPAND THIS SECTION OF OUR BOOK
With each edition we endeavour to improve established areas of collecting as well as introducing the latest issues and new finds. In the next edition we are planning a complete overhaul of the predecimal silver and bronze series from 1910 to 1964. In particular we want to include information and scans of overdates and die varieties to complement the attention to detail you'll find in the sovereign & half sovereign section. If you wish to patricipate, please contact me on
>gregmcdonaldpublishing@gmail.com<
It's a pocket guide not an encyclopedia
I fear the books capacity as everyone has their prefered "variety" - those passions are evident here. Variety markets vary considerably too.
I look forward to having my pocket book that i always carry in my handbag to shows, coin shops and when i go interstate. If its gets too big
It wilk be too heavy for a jacket pocket or ladies handbag
Surely the ladies here would agree?
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='111511' dateline='1504939545'Don't agree with him AP it will only go to his head :whistle2: :)
Welcome back from hibernation AJ The birds are chirping :)
Quote from: 'Greg McDonald' pid='111512' dateline='1504940634'Hi Auto,
Here's your big chance. If you look at page 99 you see the following statement just under the info about the Royal Visit Florin. It reads
WE WANT TO EXPAND THIS SECTION OF OUR BOOK
>gregmcdonaldpublishing@gmail.com<
Hi Greg, Must admit I didn't see that, so still a work in progress :good: Happy to help if I can :d_training:
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='111514' dateline='1504948127'Quote from: 'Greg McDonald' pid='111512' dateline='1504940634'Hi Auto,
Here's your big chance. If you look at page 99 you see the following statement just under the info about the Royal Visit Florin. It reads
WE WANT TO EXPAND THIS SECTION OF OUR BOOK
With each edition we endeavour to improve established areas of collecting as well as introducing the latest issues and new finds. In the next edition we are planning a complete overhaul of the predecimal silver and bronze series from 1910 to 1964. In particular we want to include information and scans of overdates and die varieties to complement the attention to detail you'll find in the sovereign & half sovereign section. If you wish to patricipate, please contact me on
>gregmcdonaldpublishing@gmail.com<
It's a pocket guide not an encyclopedia
I fear the books capacity as everyone has their prefered "variety" - those passions are evident here. Variety markets vary considerably too.
I look forward to having my pocket book that i always carry in my handbag to shows, coin shops and when i go interstate. If its gets too big
It wilk be too heavy for a jacket pocket or ladies handbag
Surely the ladies here would agree?
I agree about it needing to be pocket sized with just the basic info on die pairs and date varieties for the pre decimals. The book will get too big, too heavy and too expensive ($100+) to go beyond that. There are specialized books available such as Briggs for those of us hard core variety collectors and they are impracticable to carry around in our pockets.
I have 2 issues with varieties.
The first is a variety vs error argument. Imho the book should include varieties such as die pairings and die differences such as wide dates, over dates etc. In other words include characteristics that are present when the first coin is struck with a die. It should avoid errors such as die cracks and filled dies and cuds etc that may appear on a coin at some point after striking occurs because of wear on a die or the die failing or some other cause.
Second, nowhere is there a reliable source of both rarity and value (together) of varieties. The fact that they do not appear in a main stream book pretty well means the average collector (or novice collector) is not aware and therefore does not collect varieties. Upshot of this is if a dealer is not asked for something they won't search for it meaning it is not sold. Many varieties collectors will say the fun is in the searching....correct. Other will say say the fun is in the buying....also correct. I never got asked for 1919 or 1920 dot above the top scroll coins till they appeared in maccas and renniks so I rarely searched for them. Once they appeared in a catalogue a market was created. Same can be said with first and last decimal paper notes.
To me a reliable source of values for varieties is needed to expand the hobby.
Now for a novel idea. 2 books. Book one includes basic info such as basic predecimal, decimal, banknotes....book could be say 100 pages and sells for $20 ( or whatever) and is handbag/ coat pocket friendly.. Then there is the comprehensive catalogue which includes everything targeted at the hard core collector.
Better still make the book into a PDF that I can carry on my phone (so sorry to open the can of worms again).
I am with Bigfellani here, only thing I would say is for pre decimals collectors like me, over 80% book is not useful. I am a hard core pre decimal collector. May be more details about the pre dec coins would help me. In saying that I am most probably expecting something Greg's book is not meant to cover. I am not too fussed about the prices (google can help there very easily).
It could well be there are books that goes in to lot more details about pennies and florins. If I find detailed book such as that, I will pay $100++ to get it. Also it doesn't have to be pocket size too.
As always my 1 cent worth...
Quote from: 'Bigfellani5' pid='111523' dateline='1504996462'I have 2 issues with varieties.
....... It should avoid errors such as die cracks and filled dies and cuds etc that may appear on a coin at some point after striking occurs because of wear on a die or the die failing or some other cause.
Second, nowhere is there a reliable source of both rarity and value (together) of varieties. The fact that they do not appear in a main stream book pretty well means the average collector (or novice collector) is not aware and therefore does not collect varieties.
Better still make the book into a PDF that I can carry on my phone (so sorry to open the can of worms again).
Agree 100% with your Post,unless its a major Mint error the die cracks,cuds etc are a novelty only for specialist collectors.
Ín 2017 a Digital copy is needed to carry on a phone or laptop,if Greg doesn't do it some one else will,its only a matter of time.
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='111527' dateline='1504998301'I am with Bigfellani here, only thing I would say is for pre decimals collectors like me, over 80% book is not useful. I am a hard core pre decimal collector. May be more details about the pre dec coins would help me. In saying that I am most probably expecting something Greg's book is not meant to cover. I am not too fussed about the prices (google can help there very easily).
It could well be there are books that goes in to lot more details about pennies and florins. If I find detailed book such as that, I will pay $100++ to get it. Also it doesn't have to be pocket size too.
As always my 1 cent worth...
If you are hard core pre decimal then Briggs is the best there is. Each volume is $100+. Not taking anything away from Gregs pocketbook as they are 2 different segments of the market and I have both on my shelf. I doubt Greg has the time to cover what Briggs does and even if he did he wouldn't have the necessary access to the thousands of specimens needed for the tome. Even Briggs misses many of the major die cracks and some of the minor date varieties but I understand he is working on an even bigger book (probably cost even more than most collectors can afford so I'll be eating noodles for weeks when those volumes come out).
Thanks Neal, as always very helpful.
The Vast majority of collectors are Not "Into" errors and varieties and Greg's book covers 99.99% of what they are looking for.
Like Neil said, If you want a detailed book on varieties and errors they are available and to expect all that extra information to be added to Greg"s Pocket book is ridicules.
I really don't see what all the fuss is about, who cares about the how's, why's and wherefores? A pocket book is not supposed to carry all the technical and historical detail anyway, and irrespective of whether collectors are inclined towards pre decimal, decimal, banknotes or whatever, if that kind of detail is required we go to the specialist publications to find it.
The fact that our most historically important major varieties don't appear in the listings is evidence enough for why many casual prospective interested collectors would be unaware of their existence. In the case of Australian Pennies, if there is just one entry in the listings for 1921-1922-1924-1927-1929-1930-1931-1942I-1943I-1952A-1953M-1955Y.-1956Y.-1957Y. who would be aware that each of these dates include many of our most rare die combinations?
I think it is important that collectors at any point of sourcing material have access to a quick reference guide that encompasses all of our coinage, which I think is what Greg has tried to do. At the moment, any person whether experienced or novice who may be at a coin show for example, would find it difficult to access certain information relating to die combinations for instance, without prior research or knowledge.
Ironically, other than what's listed above, a few major varieties already exist in the penny listings, supported by a separate abbreviated information page. For example, pages 74 and 75 of Greg's book provide detail required to identify various mint marks, as well as differentiate the origin of some dies. The listings pages themselves already have mint identifiers included such as H-I-Y-PL-K.G-A. etc.
In order to support the additional major varieties, all that needs to happen is for a minute amount of detail to be added to the supporting information pages, as well as relevant letter codes on the listings page.
If we look at those identified above, it just means another 14 entries, that's not pages by the way, just single lines. But, there's always a but, it may be thought that a few old favorites be also included, even though not strictly major varieties, these may only increase the total extra entries to about 25 lines.
Let's keep it simple. :ok:
Everyone has their own collective interests and I will continue to buy the guide regardless of the fact I have zero interest in Perth Mint product
For varieties buy one of the Renniks specialist books which I have also done
Thanks Auto and others who have contributed to this thread. Like you, I don't know "what all the fuss is." I recognise this section of the book is lacking and that's why I put the "Call out" at the bottom of page 99. I think I have already demonstrated that I'm keen to improve all aspects of the book [within reason] and acknowledge the help of other people -a lot of authors, of all sorts of publications - often don't do this - and claim the work as they own.
I know these varieties exist. I've still got the first edition of the 1964 Renniks catalogue and all subsequent editions that did a great job of listing the very same coins we are talking about here. I still have the ones I collected as a ten year old.
Whether rightly or wrongly, I've used the pocketbook to try and concentrate on issues that have not been published before or just a footnote in other publications.
It might be worth mentioning that my books were the first to publish banknote first prefixes; then first and last for all issues. We were the first to work out a logical reference number system for all the NPA issues and with the assistance of Barrie Winsor, I think ten years later we still have the most comprehensive listing of all known sovereigns and half sovereigns.
In the current book, we have expanded and improved on the identification of Mintmarks, privymarks and countermarks. This in itself was mind warping.
Perhaps the area of the new book, I am most proud of, is the expansion of the PNC section. With the help of a few very supportive forum members, we've doubled the number of known examples and included all variations and overprints. I have devised a reference number system that includes all these variations and leaves space for new discoveries. Coin fair issues that have different coloured covers are described separately. It might be only 40 pages of the book, but my helpful "forum friends" will tell you we spent about three months and over 100 emails to pull this together.
Lastly, it was a bit disappointing that a few people said that only a small section of the book is of any interest to them. I thought people who became collectors would have had a pretty healthy slice of curiosity nailed into their personality. Most people cannot afford a Gallipoli banknote, Adelaide ingot or pound, but I would think that just about everyone would be in awe of the way officials solved problems that backed them into a corner. I must admit that the PNC series didn't float my boat until Pedro offered to give me access to his mindblowing price spread sheets on issues he tracked though ebay and auction catalogues. I suddenly realised that my own effort in the book was woefully inadequate. After deciding to chase up the issues I was missing, it almost became obsessive - and a lot of fun. I can now appreciate what collectors of this series are all about.
Another good reason to read any book from cover to cover is that you can hone the art of "cherry picking." This is where you look over a dealers entire stock and look for gems that have been overlooked.
If anyone is still unhappy with the evolution of the pocketbook there is another solution and I can explain the process better than most.
You sit in front of your computer screen and start writing your own book...maybe know me right out of the market.
If, after a few minutes, you are still looking for inspiration, just check it's turned on.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='111534' dateline='1505010820'The Vast majority of collectors are Not "Into" errors and varieties and Greg's book covers 99.99% of what they are looking for.
Like Neil said, If you want a detailed book on varieties and errors they are available and to expect all that extra information to be added to Greg"s Pocket book is ridicules.
Maybe... but what happens if this is the only book that someone buys, and they do happen to have rare variety in their collection? Do you really want them to remain in the dark about it, and to potentially give it away or destroy it because they think it's only worth face value? Even the most casual collectors need to know when they have a valuable coin in their collection, so Greg has a responsibility to ensure that that happens.
Quote from: 'Greg McDonald' pid='111548' dateline='1505047405'Lastly, it was a bit disappointing that a few people said that only a small section of the book is of any interest to them. I thought people who became collectors would have had a pretty healthy slice of curiosity nailed into their personality. Most people cannot afford a Gallipoli banknote, Adelaide ingot or pound, but I would think that just about everyone would be in awe of the way officials solved problems that backed them into a corner.
My focus is on circulating decimal coins, so that's the only section of the book I regularly refer to, but I find the other sections of the book to be helpful due to my lack of knowledge in those areas. Even the PNC section, which didn't really interest me at all, has taken on a new significance now that I realise that there's a 2005 CoA 50c in there. Simply put, if you don't have all the sections, you don't know what else is out there.
QuoteMaybe... but what happens if this is the only book that someone buys, and they do happen to have rare variety in their collection? Do you really want them to remain in the dark about it, and to potentially give it away or destroy it because they think it's only worth face value? Even the most casual collectors need to know when they have a valuable coin in their collection, so Greg has a responsibility to ensure that that happens.
It is NOT Greg's responsibility to "Spoon Feed" collectors with knowledge, If a collector has an unusual coin there is always google, coin forums and other means of researching.
Half of the fun collecting is doing your own research and if a collector can't be bothered to put the time and effort into this then why do they bother at all.
Greg's book is a "Guide" and NOT an encyclopaedic book on ALL things numismatic and it has Never been "Touted" as such, It is however a very Very good tool for novice AND seasoned collectors and at $39.95 it is also Bloody good value for money.
It is up to US seasoned collectors to help and educate the novices in our collecting community and this burden lies on our shoulders NOT Greg's :ok:
I can only relate to my own experiences, and to be fair, I think the first book purchased by many who are new to collecting Australian coins would possibly be Greg's pocket book. This is what I was advised to do anyway, back in the late nineties when I first got serious about the hobby, and happily went along in my Fathers footsteps of collecting Australian pre decimal.
At the time, I was blissfully unaware of the myriad of important and scarce major varieties that existed in the pre decimal range, simply because they weren't listed in the book I purchased. It wasn't until by chance some years later when I was invited to join a coin forum run by Ken Skinner, that I became aware of this very interesting part of the hobby.
So IMO, I don't think the issue has much to do with responsibility, more with the prevailing circumstances at the point of entry to a hobby, and access to enough information to at least trigger a desire for further research by the individual.
My copy has just turned up. Had a very quick flick through and looking good.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='111556' dateline='1505087219'It is NOT Greg's responsibility to "Spoon Feed" collectors with knowledge, If a collector has an unusual coin there is always google, coin forums and other means of researching.
Half of the fun collecting is doing your own research and if a collector can't be bothered to put the time and effort into this then why do they bother at all.
Greg's book is a "Guide" and NOT an encyclopaedic book on ALL things numismatic and it has Never been "Touted" as such, It is however a very Very good tool for novice AND seasoned collectors and at $39.95 it is also Bloody good value for money.
It is up to US seasoned collectors to help and educate the novices in our collecting community and this burden lies on our shoulders NOT Greg's :ok:
Trout, you seem to have forgetten that if someone passes a valuable coin off as junk, then we are the ones who suffer if it ends up in landfill or a smelter. If people don't realise they have a valuable coin in their collection, then they won't put it on the market for us to buy, which means fewer coins for those who do want them, and ultimately, higher prices.
Although this may suit the older members of this forum who have already completed their predecimal collections, it certainly does not suit those of us who are just starting out. For the sake of us young ones, please do everything you can to keep the current pool of predecimal varieties from getting smaller. The 1930 penny is already out of reach for most of us, so please don't let that happen to other predecimal coins. :beg:
QuoteTrout, you seem to have forgetten that if someone passes a valuable coin off as junk, then we are the ones who suffer if it ends up in landfill or a smelter. If people don't realise they have a valuable coin in their collection, then they won't put it on the market for us to buy, which means fewer coins for those who do want them, and ultimately, higher prices.
Firstly, It is usually a piece of Junk that is passed off as a valuable coin and secondly I seriously doubt that collectors will be throwing pre decimal coins down the tip or selling them to a scrap merchant.
As for coin values and prices, If you have been taking any notice of the values of coins over the last few years you would have noticed a marked decline in values as a whole :ok:
Oh and BTW very few of us "Older" members have a 1930 penny or a 1923 halfpenny in our collections either
Quote from: 'trout' pid='111566' dateline='1505110559'Hercules wrote
QuoteTrout, you seem to have forgetten that if someone passes a valuable coin off as junk, then we are the ones who suffer if it ends up in landfill or a smelter. If people don't realise they have a valuable coin in their collection, then they won't put it on the market for us to buy, which means fewer coins for those who do want them, and ultimately, higher prices.
Firstly, It is usually a piece of Junk that is passed off as a valuable coin and secondly I seriously doubt that collectors will be throwing pre decimal coins down the tip or selling them to a scrap merchant.
As for coin values and prices, If you have been taking any notice of the values of coins over the last few years you would have noticed a marked decline in values as a whole :ok:
Oh and BTW very few of us "Older" members have a 1930 penny or a 1923 halfpenny in our collections either
Yeah the baby boomers have drawers full of 1930 pennies and 1923 halfpennies - didn't you know that Trout?
I do believe those coins are catalouged in Maccas
Don't know how much else the older members here and Greg can be held responsible for how other collectors put their collections together.
I assume that they do what i have done, buy reference books, seek out mentoring, join a coin club and go to auctions - for me it's a hobby and not an investment portfolio
My "complete set" includes copies of the rare years. I feel no anger towards the collectors before me who have sourced those coins. I don't come from a generation of blame I suppose as i have never felt any animosity towards collectors who have those coins. Envy yes ' I stand guilty but never thinking that i have been robbed of something that isn't there. Do the figures - a rare coin is thus because it has low prevalence - not because the "older"members here all have one in their back pocket! Ha ha
I have several 1930 pennies!
Not in my back pocket but just in a container, in the drawer, with a heap of others.
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All English of course. Boom tish! :tease:
yes - the usual suspect for a pre-dec set
My first 'set'has one of those
they are better looking than the boring old Comm coins
the King of the coins is common knowledge - nearly everyone knows to look for them & Downies makes sure that the man on the street knows about them!!!
Quote from: 'trout' pid='111566' dateline='1505110559'QuoteTrout, you seem to have forgetten that if someone passes a valuable coin off as junk, then we are the ones who suffer if it ends up in landfill or a smelter. If people don't realise they have a valuable coin in their collection, then they won't put it on the market for us to buy, which means fewer coins for those who do want them, and ultimately, higher prices.
Firstly, It is usually a piece of Junk that is passed off as a valuable coin and secondly I seriously doubt that collectors will be throwing pre decimal coins down the tip or selling them to a scrap merchant.
As for coin values and prices, If you have been taking any notice of the values of coins over the last few years you would have noticed a marked decline in values as a whole :ok:
Oh and BTW very few of us "Older" members have a 1930 penny or a 1923 halfpenny in our collections either
Plenty of novice or non hard core collectors don't know that they have a valuable coin and even dealers don't realise what rarities they have. Just these past 3 months I purchased for under $10 a group of ten 1920 pennies that included 2 Dot above Top scroll coins from one seller, a Dot Above English (probably the third finest example known) from another seller (cost me a weeks wage instead of a few hours wage as another person bid on it) and from a top US dealer a BUnc 1926 Serif Sixpence for a days wage. 2 months ago I purchased a bulk lot of threepences from a dealer that included a nice blobby 8 and a 1964 threepence that is better than my MS67 examples. I've also picked up over the years in bullion lots a 1953 large denticle florin that is ChUnc (better than MS64) and several proof sixpences.
Hi Guys, I read all the posts about what a book should have in it, is it an encyclopedia or is it a price book and pretty much agree with what is said, its what individuals want it to be. The one thing that stuck out to me was the notion that the information about what to collect for a pre decimal set restricted to date and die pairing does not exist. Now, I agree that you can go mad trying to collect coin errors although I have a large collection of those! To keep sane you CAN restrict your pre decimal to a certain set that is easily, or, no so easily collected according to complexity and just date and die varieties!
That is precisely WHY I did essays on filling Dansco albums with a representative date set and for the more interested did the Ulitmate Set listings with as many die varies that I think can be easily collected. Those were fitted into those upmarket ring binders with 2x2 pages. These all appeared in that magazine the nobody buys "because it does not have anything about Australian coins in it" (ok i'm being a bit crabby there ) the CAB. That was a series from about November 2012 through to July 2015 or so and I guess the amount of effort both myself and the editor put in was a waste of time since nowhere do I ever see a reference to that work on this forum. I'm not trying to sell a book here, i'm over all that, a book is just an Albatross to make, i'll let Greg go mad doing that which was entirely the reason for doing the magazine essays to help people and not have to print a book!. I wonder how many of you coin collectors have a full set of the CAB to refer to? I have most issues of ACR and CAB and they are a mine of information When you want to research some subject. Honestly any one that professes to be a coin collector should have a library of every book, CD, coin Journal, paper, magazine, sale brochure like Downies that you can lay your hand on. I don't claim to be a real dedicated coin collector but I have the information around me if I need it and yes that includes Greg Macs handbook and Renniks both from the 1st ed onwards. So if you are wondering what I am talking about check on those back issues, CAB, volume 15-06, 15-10, 16-04, 17-05, 1707, 17-08, 17-10 and 18-06 or photocopy the pages out of my book that's what its there for!
Cheers, Fred Lever.
Greg's book is a "Pocket Guide" and is about the size of any small paperback novel and despite its size it holds a heap of useful information.
To have EVERYTHING pertaining to Australian numismatics included in it would be similar to putting the complete works of Wilber Smith into a single paperback book, Good lord even the Lord of the Rings was published in 4 books.
Good points Fred! .... I wish I had the funds to be able to buy CAB all the time as even the two local libraries don't stock it. I always bought ACR from when it first came out ..... they'd be in the shed somewhere, but I can't afford to buy it now .......
Geez ..... I remember correcting Mick Vort-Ronald as to appropriate serial numbers back when the $20 papers changed from Gothic to OCR-B ..... I don't think he "published" a correction, but he did send me a reply at the time.
Quote from: 'fred lever' pid='111577' dateline='1505174605'Honestly any one that professes to be a coin collector should have a library of every book, CD, coin Journal, paper, magazine, sale brochure like Downies that you can lay your hand on. I don't claim to be a real dedicated coin collector but I have the information around me if I need it and yes that includes Greg Macs handbook and Renniks both from the 1st ed onwards.
For my first 20+ years as a coin collector, I didn't have ANY of these resources, and it's only in the last year or two that I bought a copy of Maccas and Renniks. Nevertheless, I had an almost complete collection of circulating Australian 5c-$2 coins, including the 2000 $1 mule.
Does it make me any less of a coin collector just because I got all the information I needed from checking my own and other people's change, and then used the internet to determine why there were so many "gaps" in my collection?
For me, the real fun is in noodling, not going off to Downies to buy stuff at an auction. You don't need a mass of books and magazines to do that. You just need some spare cash and a lot of luck.
Quote from: 'fred lever' pid='111577' dateline='1505174605'Hi Guys, I read all the posts about what a book should have in it, is it an encyclopedia or is it a price book and pretty much agree with what is said, its what individuals want it to be. The one thing that stuck out to me was the notion that the information about what to collect for a pre decimal set restricted to date and die pairing does not exist. Now, I agree that you can go mad trying to collect coin errors although I have a large collection of those! To keep sane you CAN restrict your pre decimal to a certain set that is easily, or, no so easily collected according to complexity and just date and die varieties!
That is precisely WHY I did essays on filling Dansco albums with a representative date set and for the more interested did the Ulitmate Set listings with as many die varies that I think can be easily collected. Those were fitted into those upmarket ring binders with 2x2 pages. These all appeared in that magazine the nobody buys "because it does not have anything about Australian coins in it" (ok i'm being a bit crabby there ) the CAB. That was a series from about November 2012 through to July 2015 or so and I guess the amount of effort both myself and the editor put in was a waste of time since nowhere do I ever see a reference to that work on this forum. I'm not trying to sell a book here, i'm over all that, a book is just an Albatross to make, i'll let Greg go mad doing that which was entirely the reason for doing the magazine essays to help people and not have to print a book!. I wonder how many of you coin collectors have a full set of the CAB to refer to? I have most issues of ACR and CAB and they are a mine of information When you want to research some subject. Honestly any one that professes to be a coin collector should have a library of every book, CD, coin Journal, paper, magazine, sale brochure like Downies that you can lay your hand on. I don't claim to be a real dedicated coin collector but I have the information around me if I need it and yes that includes Greg Macs handbook and Renniks both from the 1st ed onwards. So if you are wondering what I am talking about check on those back issues, CAB, volume 15-06, 15-10, 16-04, 17-05, 1707, 17-08, 17-10 and 18-06 or photocopy the pages out of my book that's what its there for!
Cheers, Fred Lever.
I wonder how many pre-decimal collecters here have purchased your die variety reference books, Fred?
I have always found they compliment Maccas and Rennicks and pay such attention to the variety detail and expected mmintage
Research is the key to knowledge
Quote from: 'fred lever' pid='111577' dateline='1505174605'Hi Guys, I read all the posts about what a book should have in it, is it an encyclopedia or is it a price book and pretty much agree with what is said, its what individuals want it to be. The one thing that stuck out to me was the notion that the information about what to collect for a pre decimal set restricted to date and die pairing does not exist. Now, I agree that you can go mad trying to collect coin errors although I have a large collection of those! To keep sane you CAN restrict your pre decimal to a certain set that is easily, or, no so easily collected according to complexity and just date and die varieties!
That is precisely WHY I did essays on filling Dansco albums with a representative date set and for the more interested did the Ulitmate Set listings with as many die varies that I think can be easily collected. Those were fitted into those upmarket ring binders with 2x2 pages. These all appeared in that magazine the nobody buys "because it does not have anything about Australian coins in it" (ok i'm being a bit crabby there ) the CAB. That was a series from about November 2012 through to July 2015 or so and I guess the amount of effort both myself and the editor put in was a waste of time since nowhere do I ever see a reference to that work on this forum. I'm not trying to sell a book here, i'm over all that, a book is just an Albatross to make, i'll let Greg go mad doing that which was entirely the reason for doing the magazine essays to help people and not have to print a book!. I wonder how many of you coin collectors have a full set of the CAB to refer to? I have most issues of ACR and CAB and they are a mine of information When you want to research some subject. Honestly any one that professes to be a coin collector should have a library of every book, CD, coin Journal, paper, magazine, sale brochure like Downies that you can lay your hand on. I don't claim to be a real dedicated coin collector but I have the information around me if I need it and yes that includes Greg Macs handbook and Renniks both from the 1st ed onwards. So if you are wondering what I am talking about check on those back issues, CAB, volume 15-06, 15-10, 16-04, 17-05, 1707, 17-08, 17-10 and 18-06 or photocopy the pages out of my book that's what its there for!
Cheers, Fred Lever.
Fred you are spot on I have every Macca guide,Renniks books and CAB magazine as well as your cds they are all valuable for information in my eyes as a numismatic collector :wavemulticolor:
This is what I have so far:
- Australian Coins and Banknotes - Greg McDonald - 21st Edition
- Australian Coins and Banknotes - Greg McDonald - 22nd Edition
- Renniks Australian Coin and Banknote Values - Michael Pitt (editor) - 26th Edition
- Renniks Australian Pre-Decimal Coin Varieties - Ian McConnelly - 2nd Edition
- Renniks Australian Pre-Decimal & Decimal Coin Errors - Ian McConnelly (editor) - 1st Edition
- The Australasian Coin & Banknote Magazine - October 2016
- The Australasian Coin & Banknote Magazine - April 2017
- The John Bertrand New Zealand Coin & Banknote Catalogue - Anthony W. Grant - 2016 Edition
- Fred Lever's Reference Book - Australian Pre-Decimal and Decimal Variety and Error Coins - 2016 Edition
I purchased all these books within the last couple of years, and I simply cannot afford any more, except for the 23rd edition of Maccas (which I have already bought) and the 3rd edition of McConnelly (which I will be buying later this year).
Even if I could afford them, I don't think I'd have enough space to store them, which is why I'll be getting rid of the old editions of Maccas when the new edition arrives. ;)
With old Maccas I no longer want I find a young/new collector and give it to them. Much appreciated and still a fantastic numismatic educational aid for a newbie.
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='111606' dateline='1505274964'With old Maccas I no longer want I find a young/new collector and give it to them. Much appreciated and still a fantastic numismatic educational aid for a newbie.
Good idea. I'm planning to give them to another family member, but if they don't want either of them, I'll see if I can find another collector who does. :good:
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='111606' dateline='1505274964'With old Maccas I no longer want I find a young/new collector and give it to them. Much appreciated and still a fantastic numismatic educational aid for a newbie.
Yep,also the binding doesn't last with constant use so i scanned all the pages into my computer,although it was around 5 years old its still a good guide.
I also printed pre-dec Coins/Notes sheets out,blown up to A4, so super easy to read late at night when trawling Ebay and Auction sites.
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='111602' dateline='1505269889'This is what I have so far:
- Australian Coins and Banknotes - Greg McDonald - 21st Edition
- Australian Coins and Banknotes - Greg McDonald - 22nd Edition
- Renniks Australian Coin and Banknote Values - Michael Pitt (editor) - 26th Edition
- Renniks Australian Pre-Decimal Coin Varieties - Ian McConnelly - 2nd Edition
- Renniks Australian Pre-Decimal & Decimal Coin Errors - Ian McConnelly (editor) - 1st Edition
- The Australasian Coin & Banknote Magazine - October 2016
- The Australasian Coin & Banknote Magazine - April 2017
- The John Bertrand New Zealand Coin & Banknote Catalogue - Anthony W. Grant - 2016 Edition
- Fred Lever's Reference Book - Australian Pre-Decimal and Decimal Variety and Error Coins - 2016 Edition
I purchased all these books within the last couple of years, and I simply cannot afford any more, except for the 23rd edition of Maccas (which I have already bought) and the 3rd edition of McConnelly (which I will be buying later this year).
Even if I could afford them, I don't think I'd have enough space to store them, which is why I'll be getting rid of the old editions of Maccas when the new edition arrives. ;)
Hi Hercules, that's a pretty good up to date spread of reference books especially the McConnelly errors and varieties edition. I thought that was an excellent edition in starting to separate errors from varities and showing the types of errors. I guess i'm old enough to have accumulated stuff from the 1940's on wards and I never threw anything out!!!
Cheers, Fred.
Quote from: 'fred lever' pid='111620' dateline='1505336608'Hi Hercules, that's a pretty good up to date spread of reference books especially the McConnelly errors and varieties edition. I thought that was an excellent edition in starting to separate errors from varities and showing the types of errors. I guess i'm old enough to have accumulated stuff from the 1940's on wards and I never threw anything out!!!
Cheers, Fred.
Hi Fred,
I don't think you should throw anything out, because we always need a few old copies just for reference, and because you're an author, that makes it doubly important. However, I don't think the average collector needs all those old copies, because I trust that you and your fellow authors preserve all the important information in future editions.
For the record, I started coin collecting when I was about 4 years old, when my mother gave me a bunch of foreign and commemorative coins. These included the 1977 Silver Jubilee 50c, the 1982 Commonwealth Games 50c, a few NZ coins, and a Netherlands 25c. Over the years, I added other commemorative coins to the set, including the 1970 Captain Cook 50c, the 1988 First Fleet 50c, the 1994 Year of the Family 50c, the 1995 Weary Dunlop 50c, the 1986 International Year of Peace $1, the 1988 $1, the 1993 Landcare $1, the 1996 Parkes $1 and the 1997 Kingsford-Smith $1. I always thought the 1988 $1 commemorated the Brisbane Expo, but having read some of the recent coin catalogues, I'm not so sure now.
Anyway, when I reached the age of 10, my father started giving me all those foreign coins his work colleagues had brought back from overseas, and I think this inspired me to try to obtain a complete set of circulating Australian 5c-$2 coins. I obtained most of them during the late 1990s, but there were always a recalcitrant few that took me years and years to find, including the 1972 5c, the 1995 United Nations 20c, the 1985 50c and the 1993 50c.
I didn't have any contact with the numismatics community during this period, because I didn't even know that it existed, and it wasn't until the late 2000s when I had the internet that I realised there were other people just like me. Anyway, this is when I first heard about the 2000 mule, and much to my delight, I found one in change just two months later. Since then, it's been a constant battle to keep my coin collection up-to-date, with some of the mintages being so low that I gave up looking for them in change and started noodling, which I hadn't done on a large scale since the early 2000s.
Thanks to all this noodling, I now have a complete set of circulating Australian 5c-$2 coins from 1966 to 2015 (excluding the 1966 50c), and thanks to the advice I received on CCF last year, I now have several coin catalogues, so I don't have to keep asking for information that's already readily available. I realise that people spent lots of time and effort compiling these catalogues, so I refer back to them wherever possible. However, I'm not yet persuaded that I need every single issue of the Australasian Coin & Banknote Magazine, so if you're able to explain to me why I can't live without it, it would be much appreciated.
Hercules
My copy of Maccas just arrived, and it's clear that he's spent a lot of time on it. However, I'm surprised that some of the errors I reported in the last edition still remain, like where it says on p. 495 that first and last prefix test $100 notes are worth less than their face value when in fine condition. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't sell a $100 note for $95, no matter how bad a condition it was in, so I hope Greg fixes this ASAP.
On the other hand, I find it interesting that Greg says an uncirculated $5 note dated 2014 is worth $9-10. I've never seen a 2014-dated $5 note in real life, and I doubt anyone else on this forum has either, so I'm curious to know where he got this figure from. Does Greg have a secret supply of 2014-dated $5 notes that he hasn't told us about? If so, I'd be very willing to buy some off him.
Hi Hercules,
Thanks for the comments. Take you point about the $100 notes at $95. I'll take that on board as brain fatigue. I honestly don't remember you bringing this to my attention as it is something I generally fix up immediately in case I forget. There is always a lot swirling around my head when working on these books. I think we are now over 45,000 individual prices so it's a lot to absorb and defy the fact that we all make mistakes.
Also well picked with the 2014 $5 note. I was in a bit of a bind with this one. When I was searching for a price for these notes, different dealer adverts either said "out of stock" "n/a" or "awaiting." so there were no warning signs here that the notes were rare. The fact that the Reserve Bank has indicated that notes were indeed printed that year and the prefixes BA to EA are the same as those issued in 2012, 2013 and 2015 and with the exception of the last prefix 2015, all the other notes are common and sell for the prices indicated.
The thing is, and always has been, that the actual minting and printing of coins and banknotes and the actual distribution are two different things. Coins and banknotes can sit in central bank vaults for years after being produced if there is no consumer driven need to push them out into circulation. Classic case of this was the 1996 issue of $100. As hysteria gained traction that the electronic world would collapse in the year 2000 the Reserve Bank ordered the printing of a huge amount to $100 to cover us if credit cards failed to work. It took 12 years to use up the amount of notes that were socked away.
Until someone tells me that the 2014 issue was turned into rain pipes, I'm going to be on the conservative side and assume they are sitting behind a few pallet loads of the new $5 notes that will be used first. If all the 2014 notes go into circulation, they will be worth what I have said in the book. At this stage I think that's better than saying they must be worth $100 each because they are scarce. Another factor is that the notes might be scarce in your general area. When it comes to normal circulation coins and notes there are no hard and fast rules saying that a new issue must be evenly distributed around the country. Some areas can get the lion share of any issue. Examples of this go back as far as 1925 when collectors found that the coin was hard to find in change on the eastern seaboard but common enough in Perth. Again, most of the DPS $1 test notes found their way to Tasmania.
It could also be that the 2014 $5 notes have all been released with most being sent to airports around the world and in the safes of Bureau de Change booths. We just don't know at this stage.
I could be wrong on all counts and I honestly don't know the answer at this stage. I have worked on a price given the information I had and how distribution can be a major factor. Anyway Hercules, I am sure we can all rely on you checking the change and alerting us if you find one. And, sorry mate, I don't a stash of 2014 five cent pieces, let alone five dollar notes!!
got my book today , a bit late for fathers day , but i am happy to finally get it
Hi Greg,
Thanks for your response. I did a survey of over 500 $5 notes during April and May last year, and I had almost thrice as many 2012s in my sample as 2013s, even though the production of the 2012s was only about 50% higher than the 2013s. This suggests to me that most of the 2013s are still in storage, so there's Buckley's hope of the 2014s and 2015s ever being released into circulation.
The feedback I gave was in this thread: https://www.australian-coins.net/showthread.php?tid=4024&page=3 (https://www.australian-coins.net/showthread.php?tid=4024&page=3). Please scroll down to Post #29 and you'll see it.
Hercules
I just noticed another mistake. The 2015 $5 and $10 notes are listed as being Stevens/Parkinson releases, when they're actually Stevens/Fraser releases. Poor Martin Parkinson got sacked at the end of 2014 because the Coalition didn't like his support of "Labor" policies. However, I don't blame you for this. I blame the rapid turnover of prime ministers and partisan political point-scoring, which is giving me a migraine. :kez_11:
Thanks Shane. Got my book today just in time for the weekend. That was very quick!
Gave it a quick flick through... why are some prices in red?
Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='111643' dateline='1505445692'Thanks Shane. Got my book today just in time for the weekend. That was very quick!
Gave it a quick flick through... why are some prices in red?
Footy finals, beer, maccas book. What more could you want :dodgy:
Btw. Got an email late today. Renniks cattle dog out in December. Will be starting to take pre orders next week.
My copy has not arrived as yet....must be coming via Darwin
Quote from: 'humpybong' pid='111656' dateline='1505480173'My copy has not arrived as yet....must be coming via Darwin
My copy hasn't arrived yet either But living here in the West that is NO big surprise.
I am looking forward to reading it however and posting the Good things in this edition rather than nit picking about minor errors :angel:
I wouldn't call it nit picking, just information transfer :angel: Wow :shock: Holey Dollars Batman, 45,000 something entries, a few wronguns here and there, no problem ;) Speaking of Holey Dollars, on page 39, the descriptions for obverse dies 1 and 2 are not in cync with the pics. Being a slooooow reader, that's as far as I've got :biggrin: Some folks are dumb where I come from, but you get them everywhere :angel: GO GO BRONCO :yahoo::yahoo:
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='111621' dateline='1505344456'I'm not yet persuaded that I need every single issue of the Australasian Coin & Banknote Magazine, so if you're able to explain to me why I can't live without it, it would be much appreciated.
You don't.
I prefer to have the full set (still 22 short) as I'm not aware of an index that tells me the ones that have really useful articles. Also for completeness.
Hi Trout,
Thanks for sticking up for me mate but don't stress too much. This is my 28th book in total and so I've developed a skin that makes an armadillo look like a balloon full of water. I don't mind people pointing out the errors if it's done with the aim of being helpful rather than a putdown. Not everyone is ever going to pass the entrance exam for the diplomatic corp but that's life. Still, a few throwaway kind words to acknowledge that at least I've had a go, would be nice. In particular, I'd like to hear what members think about my comments concerning big business sending Aussie jobs overseas.
Keep posting Trout. I've always thought you are the voice of reason when some of these threads start to develop an earth tremor. For everyone else, just keep in mind it's a $40 book with $200 worth of effort that's trying to help you enjoy the hobby a bit more. It's not trying to be a set of encyclopedia's complete with steak knives. I am constantly reminded of the comments of a now crusty old dealer when he noticed, years ago, that I opted to add footnotes as well as the basic prices. His sage advice was "Get rid of those footnotes. People won't thank you for all that added stuff but they will criticise you for what you leave out!"
Quote from: 'Greg McDonald' pid='111664' dateline='1505520990'Hi Trout,
Thanks for sticking up for me mate but don't stress too much.
Yeah,most of his posts have a commonsense feel to them and he usually has a realistic view on things.
I've been around Message Boards(the Nakamichi one i post on is still a Message Board and it works) and Forums since 1996 and being a qualified Counsellor i find the Posts on the various Forums extremely interesting,obviously people are much more open and frank than they would be in person to person contact and in many ways that's a good thing so i wouldn't take negative comments too personally and by the sound of things Greg doesn't .
Its much better too hear honest comments on any subject so we can all learn than to have a bunch of Sycophants posting drivel which happens on many Forums.
It is a pocket book and should remain so. That is the rationale for it.
That said it is surprising the amount of information Greg has managed to cram in -a wealth of reference data at the fingertips.
:yahoo: Bloody good job Greg. :yahoo:
And minor mistakes are inevitable in a project like this. As long as each edition improves on the past (as they do) that's all we should ask.
Thanks for the latest two posts. I really don't want people to stop sending corrections and updates. We all make mistakes and as long as no one thinks the errors are there because I couldn't be bothered to make the changes. I fully agree with your comments about people giving you lip service. I am always amused by the news shots showing the North Korean leader [he with the lawn mover hair cut] and, in particular, his band of 'yes men' following behind. Have you noticed they all carry little note books. I mean, seriously, what could that buffoon every say that would need to be written down. I'd think the wisdom of Kim Jong-un could be written on a folded hankie.
So please, keep the comments coming. The only time I get frustrated is when I see comments in dealers auction catalogues or price lists that say "not listed in McDonalds." OK, that's fair, but why not send me a quick email so I can correct or update? Some do and I always acknowledge by saying something like "This previously unpublished issue sold for $xxxx when it was listed in xxxx's September 2017 'pricelist/ auction catalogue." Seems like a good deal all round as I see it. I get to update my book; the dealer gets a plug and the reader gets something else to add to the armoury and has an estimation of what it is worth. I'd say 80% of preparing each book is research. Having to read 100's of auction catalogues, pricelists and countless hours on the internet could be saved if people who have this information could drop me a line. Many of them are not shy in telling me I missed it - not much help after the book is printed. That's why this forum is so helpful.
I don't try and concern myself about how the information is delivered. I look at it as a bit time saver.
Greg would know this story. I did some proof reading of his book and pointed out a couple of errors and suggestions. Took me about 20 to 30 hours I guess ( over a number of beers I might add). I filled in the order form and order my box of box and guess what. Stuffed it up.
I can proof read a book and find a number of changes and corrections but can't read an order form!
I have done 2 degrees and think I have a fair eye for detail. I am sure a publisher has a greater eye for detail than me. Bottom line is we all make mistakes.
One thing for sure is that every year the book gets published it does get better. There is more info in it and in my opinion over the last few additions pricing is more accurate.
Everytime the book gets published I always find little tit bits I did not know. That is why I love my job!
QuoteHi Trout,
Thanks for sticking up for me mate but don't stress too much.
All is good Mate I hardly ever "Stress", That's Mrs Trouts Job :):angel:
QuoteI have done 2 degrees and think I have a fair eye for detail. I am sure a publisher has a greater eye for detail than me. Bottom line is we all make mistakes.
Making mistakes is what makes us Human, None of us here are Gods :)
I'm a demigod :) :mocking:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='111681' dateline='1505568468'I'm a demigod :) :mocking:
Loki :angel::)
:laugh2: maybe :blush2: