This looks fake to me pity i didn't find earlier bidding nearly finished , over $200 groan http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SPECTACULAR-ERROR-COIN-2-ct-DOUBLE-STRIKE-1976-and-NO-RESERVE-/201706726225?hash=item2ef6a86351:g:DO0AAOSwA3dYGcsA
Vice Job for sure :dodgy:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/s-l1600.jpg)
Another one , Same seller :dodgy:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SPECTACULAR-ERROR-COIN-1-ct-DOUBLE-STRIKE-1976-and-NO-RESERVE-/192016614767?hash=item2cb515056f:g:WocAAOSwcLxYGcw0
Again
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SPECTACULAR-ERROR-COIN-5-ct-DOUBLE-STRIKE-1980-and-NO-RESERVE-/201706774867?hash=item2ef6a92153:g:CGQAAOSwx2dYGc4B
The seller got $686 for these three shed jobs and the same idiot bought all three coins :dash1:
Quick place a bid on this beautiful error before it's gone
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2009-Australian-2-COIN-rare-mint-error/192017041658?_trksid=p2047675.c100012.m1985&_trkparms=aid%3D777003%26algo%3DDISCL.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D39923%26meid%3D0dce3f47e10d43f19a9334ce0b181fa6%26pid%3D100012%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D9%26sd%3D201706726225
"A fool and his money..." :(
Here's what I told him:
---
A Professor he may be, but there is no way for such a coin to be produced legitimately.
If double-struck, the design would be raised, not incused.
If a misfeed, there would be no design under the misfed coin.
For this to happen, the following impossible sequence would have to occur:
Coin A struck and exits the press.
Coin B struck and fails to exit.
Coin A returns and is struck again, imprinting Coin B.
Both coins exit.
Or, what actually happened:
Person C places both Coin A and Coin B in a vice, turns the handle. PROFIT!
Whether you are in fact Person C, or just happened to find three of these in circulation, the fact is you profited, and the buyer got taken for a ride. He will never be able to sell these shed jobs to any collector with half a clue. :(
QuoteThis is what our president of our coin club said about the
coins;
He is a professor at university.
`In both cases it looks as if
the coins have clashed with others in the
minting process, so haven't
ejected properly from the collar after
striking. Of course there is
always the possibility that they are the
product of games played by the
mint workers at the time, we'll never know.'
do not judge too
quickly.......
I think you have nailed it Fulvio.
Unfortunately no amount of reasoning will work on someone who does not want to accept the truth.
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='101289' dateline='1478761428'I think you have nailed it Fulvio.
Unfortunately no amount of reasoning will work on someone who does not want to accept the truth.
Dunno about that.
His response:
Thanks for that......I will check with more people and may even take
some to our next coin club meeting.
BTW, this is him: http://rainbowrarities.com/aboutus.cgi
I think he knows the truth and at $200 plus a coin all he is hearing is the money rolling into his account
Most scumbags seem to get upset when caught out.
Since he has not done that and is saying the right sorts of things, it would be nice to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I suppose if he was really checking up on them, he should stop or not complete the sale?
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='101285' dateline='1478759436'If double-struck, the design would be raised, not incused.
If a misfeed, there would be no design under the misfed coin.
For this to happen, the following impossible sequence would have to occur:
Coin A struck and exits the press.
Coin B struck and fails to exit.
Coin A returns and is struck again, imprinting Coin B.
Both coins exit.
Or, what actually happened:
Person C places both Coin A and Coin B in a vice, turns the handle. PROFIT!
Like the analytical thinking. If this skill set isn't included in our education curriculum, it should be. I remember doing this stuff in my trade course years ago, and without trying to be a big note, I thought it was sooooo common sense.
You got it right there Oz if he had concerns he would have stopped sales , con men talk and talk but at end of day still rip you off .
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='101307' dateline='1478780569'If this skill set isn't included in our education curriculum, it should be.
Guess I got lucky that this WAS part of the curriculum. So was all sorts of useful stuff, like accounting, economics, and some outdated skills, like how to write letters and cheques... ;)
Quote from: 'AussieSilver' pid='101312' dateline='1478822235'con men talk and talk but at end of day still rip you off .
And we're far too quick to tar, feather, hang, draw and quarter suspects around here.
Believe it or not, true scumbags are actually relatively few and far between. Even on ebay. :angel:
" And we're far too quick to tar, feather, hang, draw and quarter suspects around here. "
Maybe we are that's human nature for you internet is famous for it . Always seems to be error coins where these suspects end up i like my error coins and find it quite annoying . Last words i think just how many of these coins has he got sold some on ebay and still has leftovers to take to his coin club ouph
Quote from: 'AussieSilver' pid='101315' dateline='1478829309'just how many of these coins has he got
Well, judging by the dealers I know... lets be diplomatic and say they're far from masters of the error. :angel:
I could easily see a situation where some bloke walks into the shop with one of these, sells it, and they flip it on ebay at a healthy profit. When the guy comes back with ten more, they'd buy them, for sure.
If he isn't a scumbag who made them himself, this could easily have been the story. Remember the 6d I posted a while back, that we determined was crushed? And I have a couple of others which I picked up, after explaining why they weren't real errors. I keep them as examples of what to look out for.
Also, keep in mind a discussion we had about apprentices making these sorts of thing for a lark, and releasing them into the pond.
QuoteBelieve it or not, true scumbags are actually relatively few and far between. Even on ebay.
You must be looking at a different version of eBay to Me.
The one I use is full of scumbags and traps for the new players and any decent seller/dealer that had and doubts about if an error was genuine or not would not list it until they were certain.
I just hope that the buyer in this case twigs that the coins are "shed jobs" and sends them back for a refund :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='101325' dateline='1478875845'I just hope that the buyer in this case twigs that the coins are "shed jobs" and sends them back for a refund :ok:
Yeah, me too.
QuoteAnd we're far too quick to tar, feather, hang, draw and quarter suspects around here.
Still think this seller is "Kosher" ??
This seller has plenty more where those other three come from. :dodgy::dodgy::dodgy:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SPECTACULAR-UNIQUE-ERROR-COIN-5-ct-DOUBLE-STRIKE-1980-and-NO-RESERVE-/201712798498?hash=item2ef7050b22:g:TN4AAOSwImRYIZ1Y
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SPECTACULAR-UNIQUE-ERROR-COIN-2-ct-DOUBLE-STRIKE-1975-and-NO-RESERVE-/201712783339?hash=item2ef704cfeb:g:1HkAAOSwx2dYIZVP
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SPECTACULAR-UNIQUE-ERROR-COIN-1-ct-DOUBLE-STRIKE-1981-and-NO-RESERVE-/192021909767?hash=item2cb565d107:g:oY8AAOSwA3dYIZxZ
Here is another one from a different seller
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2008-Double-strike-10-cent-error-coin-great-condition-being-found-in-circulation/162270987168?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D39923%26meid%3D36aa4bb7798541408e55e254352dd719%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D201712798498
the seller has been on ebay for a long time
Based in Australia, d****** has been an eBay member since 25 Dec, 1999
i remember buying notes from him ten or more years ago
in fact he got me to start a paypal account for buying stuff on ebay
so he's not a fly by night type by any means
Quoteso he's not a fly by night type by any means
:Agreed:
I am pretty certain that this seller knows exactly what these "error" coins are and is blatantly ripping people off here :dodgy:
Reported :ok:
Pretty sure I've bought off him as well, awhile back Robbiegal, without any problems. Looks like his methods of selling may have changed somewhat.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='101341' dateline='1478948442'Quoteso he's not a fly by night type by any means
:Agreed:
I am pretty certain that this seller knows exactly what these "error" coins are and is blatantly ripping people off here :dodgy:
IN my experience Dick Pot (that eBay seller) is very honest. He most likely isn't aware that those coins are not real errors and you might be better of messaging him directly. A major auction house in Queensland who specialises in errors sold several manufactured errors of exactly the same type a few years back and had no idea they were not genuine until told otherwise. Dick may well benefit from just being told what's going on.
Quote from: 'markn' pid='101345' dateline='1478989440'Quote from: 'trout' pid='101341' dateline='1478948442'Quoteso he's not a fly by night type by any means
:Agreed:
I am pretty certain that this seller knows exactly what these "error" coins are and is blatantly ripping people off here :dodgy:
IN my experience Dick Pot (that eBay seller) is very honest. He most likely isn't aware that those coins are not real errors and you might be better of messaging him directly. A major auction house in Queensland who specialises in errors sold several manufactured errors of exactly the same type a few years back and had no idea they were not genuine until told otherwise. Dick may well benefit from just being told what's going on.
I don't know the bloke but I did email twice.
The first email I sent got a reply stating that the president of some numismatic society called them errors that is a professor of some sort.
I replied explaining that the coins are "Vice Jobs" pointing out that the mirrored designs in the "Double Strike" are indicative of this and that they are NOT errors at all.
So far NO reply and the listings are still there, I reported the listings a couple of hours after sending the email.
This seller is no stranger to numismatics Nor eBay with a feedback # of 21,448 and to be selling this sort of garbage from such an experienced seller is quite unacceptable .
QuoteHas been struck twice.........by the look of things
This sentence in his listings leads me to believe that he is quite aware that these are NOT genuine errors and is there to cover his back if the sales turn pear shaped :ok:
Like I said I don't Know this seller But if he does have a good reputation and he wants to maintain that then selling this sort of rubbish is a very good way of loosing that reputation :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='101346' dateline='1478991034'I don't know the bloke but I did email twice.
The first email I sent got a reply stating that the president of some numismatic society called them errors that is a professor of some sort.
I replied explaining that the coins are "Vice Jobs" pointing out that the mirrored designs in the "Double Strike" are indicative of this and that they are NOT errors at all.
So far NO reply and the listings are still there, I reported the listings a couple of hours after sending the email.
This seller is no stranger to numismatics Nor eBay with a feedback # of 21,448 and to be selling this sort of garbage from such an experienced seller is quite unacceptable .
QuoteHas been struck twice.........by the look of things
This sentence in his listings leads me to believe that he is quite aware that these are NOT genuine errors and is there to cover his back if the sales turn pear shaped :ok:
Like I said I don't Know this seller But if he does have a good reputation and he wants to maintain that then selling this sort of rubbish is a very good way of loosing that reputation :ok:
OK, I have messaged him too. Will see what comes of it.
Maybe he has someone new helping him out with his listings lately ??
I also sent him a message for each of his 'error' coins, plus one to the other seller. Now all that remains to do is sit back and see what happens. :angel:
It is bad enough that newer sellers list these sort of things But if a well respected seller does the same thing it sends the wrong message to other sellers that this sort of behaviour is acceptable and is a legitimate way of doing business on eBay.
With the recent dubious business practices being used on eBay and Facebook by some of the larger players lately Maybe this seller has decided that it is quite OK to list and sell these fake errors now ??
Who knows :angel:
The seller has taken down the listings, Good on him :good:
But lets say that these errors are proclaimed genuine by expert persons, haven't you possibly opened a case for slander to the owners of this forum?
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='101352' dateline='1478994575'But lets say that these errors are proclaimed genuine by expert persons, haven't you possibly opened a case for slander to the owners of this forum?
No "Expert" would proclaim these to be anything other than Vice Jobs Bruce.
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='101352' dateline='1478994575'But lets say that these errors are proclaimed genuine by expert persons, haven't you possibly opened a case for slander to the owners of this forum?
Slander is making a false statement against someone's character or opinions. In this case it wouldn't be slander because the coins are not errors and saying they are not errors is therefore not slanderous.
However, if someone in this thread were to accuse the seller of deliberately and deceptively selling them as errors then that could be construed as slander. Hence the reason I try to remove such posts on this forum.
Any way, I messaged Dick and he's responded and removed the items from listing and is getting further opinions on them.
QuoteAny way, I messaged Dick and he's responded and removed the items from listing and is getting further opinions on them.
So how about the poor bugger that spent $686 on these last week ???
Quote from: 'trout' pid='101356' dateline='1479001307'So how about the poor bugger that spent $686 on these last week ???
Any reputable seller would have no problem refunding that.
BTW, I'm at Linda's, and she's telling me this topic is all over Facebook and elsewhere she hangs out. Lots of discussion going on. So I just posted in MNS and on my own timeline.
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='101357' dateline='1479001581'Quote from: 'trout' pid='101356' dateline='1479001307'So how about the poor bugger that spent $686 on these last week ???
Any reputable seller would have no problem refunding that.
BTW, I'm at Linda's, and she's telling me this topic is all over Facebook and elsewhere she hangs out. Lots of discussion going on. So I just posted in MNS and on my own timeline.
It's been going on for at least five years. I've always suspected it's the same person doing it and periodically feeding the items out through dealers or auction houses who don't recognise the "errors" for what they are.
EDIT
This is the eBay seller that originally had these "errors" 5 or so years back.
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=buildr57&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller
http://www.ebay.com/itm/280902211538#ht_548wt_1182
QuoteIt's been going on for at least five years. I've always suspected it's the same person doing it and periodically feeding the items out through dealers or auction houses who don't recognise the "errors" for what they are.
So where does Old Mate from Kelmscott fit into the scheme of things then ??
Does anyone have any of these fake double strike errors they would be willing to donate for a good cause?
I am going to write an article about them for the blog done by MarkN and purplepennyhunter.
I would like to take some detailed photos to teach people what to look for.
If you have access to a decent vice or a bench press, You can make your own :diablo::laugh2:
Is the AJ mint still operating?
Why not just use the images you can find on the dodgy listings.
That way you can describe the "errors" using actual images used to perpetrate these scams :good:
It wouldn't be as if the owners of the images had any real rights to complain that you used their images anyway :diablo::)
I am looking forward to reading the article Mate :good:
[attachment=3578][attachment=3579]I have one well worn example that i noodled but want to keep it , i could get a better image if you wanted to use it
Quote from: 'trout' pid='101367' dateline='1479026946'Why not just use the images you can find on the dodgy listings.
That way you can describe the "errors" using actual images used to perpetrate these scams :good:
It wouldn't be as if the owners of the images had any real rights to complain that you used their images anyway :diablo::)
I am looking forward to reading the article Mate :good:
Regardless of how the images are being used, the person who created them, owns them....
There are a few reasons I am asking for ones other people have created.
These include
- different processes will be slightly different and end up with different results
-I would like to use photos I take (and therefore own)
I think you may struggle to find a member here that actually owns one of these abominations Mate.
Fair enough Oz if you want to own the image , good luck with your search you may have to as Trout suggested make your own .
Not much of an article there though...
"If you see a coin that has both a normal raised design and a reversed, incused design pressed into it, its a fake, made with a vise and two coins. End of story."
Maybe one paragraph explaining how to make one, if you're really keen. ;)
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='101352' dateline='1478994575'Any reputable seller would have no problem refunding that.
This was part of my message to the seller:
Quote"Previous buyers of these types of 'so called error coins' sold by you should be refunded and all current sales ended ASAP.
If you know the origin of these 'errors' try getting your outlay refunded"
@Ozcoins.
I honestly think that the best images to use are the ones the shysters put up on eBay.
I would not only use the images I would also use quotes of what they put in the descriptions as well.
As your article is about these shed job errors and I think how to spot/avoid them, Then using the images the sellers do and pointing out why the coins are indeed not errors would be highly educational.
I am pretty sure that someone carrying out one of these scams would not want to make it public knowledge that the images of these fake errors are a part of one of their shonky listings by making waves about a copyright infringement :diablo:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='101386' dateline='1479074354'@Ozcoins.
I honestly think that the best images to use are the ones the shysters put up on eBay.
I would not only use the images I would also use quotes of what they put in the descriptions as well.
As your article is about these shed job errors and I think how to spot/avoid them, Then using the images the sellers do and pointing out why the coins are indeed not errors would be highly educational.
I am pretty sure that someone carrying out one of these scams would not want to make it public knowledge that the images of these fake errors are a part of one of their shonky listings by making waves about a copyright infringement :diablo:
We will not publish images from eBay listings on our blog without permission of the lister of the item. I doubt any reputable publication would.
QuoteWe will not publish images from eBay listings on our blog without permission of the lister of the item. I doubt any reputable publication would.
Fair enough :)
I only have access to a small woodwork vice so I can't assist with any images :(
I've had a good look at this latest seller's feedback, and I think he is very new to this aspect of the so called 'error' coins. He has probably been taken for a ride also, I hope he's kept a record of his source.
It's possible he may refund the buyer's of the previous 3 items once he is certain about their origins. He's got a good reputation and may not want to have any blemishes on it.
Fulvio,
I agree completely with your 1 sentence explanation and your "virtually impossible sequence of events" description earlier.
They absolutely should be all that is required, however, if those explanations to a professional dealer are somehow not enough, then they are very unlikely to be effective for the majority of hobby collectors.
My idea is for something that everyone will easily understand.
I would like to include something in the article like the "virtually impossible sequence of events" that you posted, would you mind and/or like to be credited?
Also, what do people think would show the difference between a coin created by the "virtually impossible sequence of events" (if it actually happened either through shear luck, or mint sport), and a "shed job"?
Ozcoins, here's what I wrote to an auction house a few years back who had some of these "errors" listed.
Each of the coins show signs of an original striking and then a second incuse striking on both sides. If we assume that the coins are genuine then there's really only two ways this could happen:
1. A coin is struck and then stays in the coining chamber while two more already struck coins enter the coining chamber and then the three are struck together and the incuse "brockage" strike is formed.
2. A coin is struck and makes its way through the press and somehow gets back into the blank hopper and is run through the press again at the same time as there happens to be a capped obverse and reverse die and this is how the "brockage" strikes are formed.
That chain of events is so incredibly un-likely as to be ridiculous. A further giveaway is that the second "strike" on these errors is usually very weak, which is very different to real brockages/multiple struck coins. Indicating that the second "strike" was done on something other than a coin press.
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='101391' dateline='1479086388'would you mind and/or like to be credited?
Everything I write is available for others to use. My words are intended to educate and/or entertain (me or others), not to profit from. If people want to credit me, that's fine too. :angel:
QuoteAlso, what do people think would show the difference between a coin created by the "virtually impossible sequence of events" (if it actually happened either through shear luck, or mint sport), and a "shed job"?
Excellent question.
Lets leave aside mint sports, because they're really just a type of shed job, only in a bigger shed with much better tools.
A coin that was double struck would have both strikes raised, not incused. Like so:
(http://www.australian-coins.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/australia-2009-2-dollar-double-struck-2.jpg)
If a second planchet was involved, then it would look something like this:
(http://www.australian-coins.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/australia-1981-20c-double-strike.jpg)
Note that the second planchet would flatten the design from the first strike. Note also that these must always be out of collar for the second strike, and there will be deformation. The metal will flow wherever it can.
What you won't see is a perfectly round coin. Or one with an incused reverse image. Or one with a 'doubled' image on both sides. :dodgy:
Look at this idiot
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2006-20c-Cent-Specimen-Wedding-Strike-Triple-Struck-/302093884525?
I spent the morning going thru. old Books & Magazines but couldn't find anything but there was a glut of similar errors in the late 1960's to cash in on the naivety of new Collectors,there should be a stockpile of these dated 1966+ around somewhere.
IIRC they were done on a Press,a modified version of one that you would find in a Automotive or Engineering workshop,i'll keep looking to try and find the articles i read on them.
Quote from: 'runway' pid='101429' dateline='1479122367'Look at this idiot
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2006-20c-Cent-Specimen-Wedding-Strike-Triple-Struck-/302093884525?
To me that is nothing like a wedding set coin :dodgy:
Feel Free to use these images OC, This is my "Error" and my images :ok:
This took less that a second to create without using a vice or any other sophisticated equipment :diablo: :angel:
Anyone want to buy this piece of garbage???
Only $99.99 :diablo::dodgy::laugh2:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/fake1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/fake.jpg)
I knew the Troutshed Mint would come up with the goodies!!! Top stuff!!! :good:
wow
that looks great!!
i am very impressed
i reckon step by step photos would be TOPS
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='101479' dateline='1479188944'wow
that looks great!!
i am very impressed
i reckon step by step photos would be TOPS
Can't do it RG, It's one of the AJ/Trout Mints trade secrets Mate. :laugh2:
I don't think you would have to ponder for too long to work out how to do that. Just be prepared to sacrifice a few other coins.
Does look quite impressive. I can't wait to see how much they fetch on eBay. :taunt:
I have a Well on the property that these sort of things end up swimming in :)
That's gonna drive future archaeologists nuts. ;)
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='101495' dateline='1479209514'That's gonna drive future archaeologists nuts. ;)
I hope so :diablo:
:laughingneqw: classic Trout
Someone with the knowledge & time should set up an Oz. Website or Wicki. with error Coins & fakes etc.
http://ukfakeanderrorcoins.50webs.com/OLDNUSA.HTML
Not a very impressive site, I'm afraid. Maybe it means something to him, but... :angel:
Yeah,but its a start and its up to others to contribute.
Well there's always our forum Coin Wiki, just needs some easy to understand entries.
Not many people have made entries, including me. :blackeye:
So who's good at getting people fired up?
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='101522' dateline='1479265918'Not many people have made entries, including me.
I think the wiki is in the too hard basket for most people. It needs to operate more like Wikipedia, IMO.
I would think that a blog that outlines all the different fakes, scams and other pitfalls that can be found on eBay, facebook and other sites would be an invaluable resource for the newer collectors.
Armed with the right information maybe these newer collectors could avoid all the pitfalls and mistakes that the more experienced collectors have NO doubt fallen prey to over the years.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='101535' dateline='1479289277'would be an invaluable resource for the newer collectors.
Done right, absolutely. That UK site isn't though.
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='101540' dateline='1479293931'Done right, absolutely. That UK site isn't though.
Geez,Fulvio,i've got it,you don't like the site,my apologies for wasting my time posting an eg. that would be good for Oz. coins,perhaps a site that shows a double strike on a Bit Coin would be more to your interests.
Don't be silly.
A bunch of pics of basically the same thing over and over, with no explanation, isn't the way to do it, that's all.
If someone here (not me) were to have a go, it would need to have a heap of explanation of what to look for, and why. Not just photos that don't provide any information.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='101448' dateline='1479166754'Quote from: 'runway' pid='101429' dateline='1479122367'Look at this idiot
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2006-20c-Cent-Specimen-Wedding-Strike-Triple-Struck-/302093884525?
To me that is nothing like a wedding set coin :dodgy:
Feel Free to use these images OC, This is my "Error" and my images :ok:
This took less that a second to create without using a vice or any other sophisticated equipment :diablo: :angel:
Anyone want to buy this piece of garbage???
Only $99.99 :diablo::dodgy::laugh2:
Great job Trout. I have posted your images up on our blog Facebook page along with a warning to look out for this type of fabrication.
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='101558' dateline='1479340099'Don't be silly.
A bunch of pics of basically the same thing over and over, with no explanation, isn't the way to do it, that's all.
If someone here (not me) were to have a go, it would need to have a heap of explanation of what to look for, and why. Not just photos that don't provide any information.
No-one will read it. I'll be happy if someone wants to write something to put up on our blog along with trout's pictures. But let's not kid ourselves here, people who need to read it don't read it. They don't search for it. They just see something that looks amazing and start throwing money at it while those who know better sit back and scratch their heads. It's unfortunate but a lot of people either never learn or only learn once they've been financially burned.
I think that I kept the purple stipe $2 coin that I took the paint off with acetone somewhere.
These are another common created "error" that comes up on eBay from time to time as well.
I will see if I can hunt it down and if I can't I will do the same to an Olympic $2 coin to get some images up :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='101601' dateline='1479437937'I think that I kept the purple stipe $2 coin that I took the paint off with acetone somewhere.
These are another common created "error" that comes up on eBay from time to time as well.
I will see if I can hunt it down and if I can't I will do the same to an Olympic $2 coin to get some images up :ok:
We published an article about "fake" no paint errors at least 5 years ago and here we are knee deep in fake no paint errors. As I already said no-one who bids on such coins does the research. People who fabricate errors know it, that's why they do it.