Ok its getting close to when the new sets for next year are released from RAM.
I think it is usually end of October-November that these come out.
Any ideas about a theme that will be used this year or maybe some sort of "special" finish on a coin in the sets ??
We've had the coloured coins, the gold plated coins and the different metal content coins in the Mint sets so far, I wonder what "Gimmick" will be used for next year??
Is there any "Insider" information about these sets floating around out there ?:)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='99180' dateline='1475140855'Ok its getting close to when the new sets for next year are released from RAM.
I think it is usually end of October-November that these come out.
Any ideas about a theme that will be used this year or maybe some sort of "special" finish on a coin in the sets ??
We've had the coloured coins, the gold plated coins and the different metal content coins in the Mint sets so far, I wonder what "Gimmick" will be used for next year??
Is there any "Insider" information about these sets floating around out there ?:)
Looking at the competitions from SYC:
Iconic Australians
Prime Ministers (Who wants a Tony Abbott coin but?!)
Iconic Infrastructures
99c coin
...
Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='99208' dateline='1475151597'Quote from: 'trout' pid='99180' dateline='1475140855'Ok its getting close to when the new sets for next year are released from RAM.
I think it is usually end of October-November that these come out.
Any ideas about a theme that will be used this year or maybe some sort of "special" finish on a coin in the sets ??
We've had the coloured coins, the gold plated coins and the different metal content coins in the Mint sets so far, I wonder what "Gimmick" will be used for next year??
Is there any "Insider" information about these sets floating around out there ?:)
Looking at the competitions from SYC:
Iconic Australians
Prime Ministers (Who wants a Tony Abbott coin but?!)
Iconic Infrastructures
99c coin
...
SHHHHHHHHHHHHH
You are being watched :Alvarin_33:
I am thinking that RAM is looking for ideas for the 50c coins as the size of the coin makes it ideal for commemorative designs , Maybe another Tin Full .
In 1967 patterns were made of the new shaped 50c then maybe that is a possibility as a 50 year commemorative coin.
so? who is going to do what?
It would be rather nice just to have the Sets in regular circulating designs/finishes/metals for a change so that we don't have to buy every single set produced just for that 1 or 2 different coins that they normally each have in them:ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='99212' dateline='1475154113'It would be rather nice just to have the Sets in regular circulating designs/finishes/metals for a change so that we don't have to buy every single set produced just for that 1 or 2 different coins that they normally each have in them:ok:
You forget that the RAM's out to make a profit. Doing what you suggest would hurt their bottom line. However, I like the idea of a 99c coin. It'll save people lots of money whenever they go shopping!
QuoteI like the idea of a 99c coin. It'll save people lots of money whenever they go shopping!
We already have a 90c coin, Every time you spend a dollar its buying power is only 90c because 10c of it is taxed via GST at the point of sale :dodgy:
Actually close to 91¢ than 90¢ if you want to split hairs.
I wouldn't mind seeing set of reverse proof coins (same finish as the HM Birthday coins) for the 2017 circulating designs and a return to the Specimen finish for the Wedding Sets instead of just duplicating the proof coins for this set as usual:good:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='99235' dateline='1475202051'I wouldn't mind seeing set of reverse proof coins (same finish as the HM Birthday coins) for the 2017 circulating designs and a return to the Specimen finish for the Wedding Sets instead of just duplicating the proof coins for this set as usual:good:
not a fan of the wedding sets since they started using proof coins
Quotenot a fan of the wedding sets since they started using proof coins
I would imagine that you would be tempted if there was a return to using the original finish for these coins :angel::)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='99401' dateline='1475409591'Quotenot a fan of the wedding sets since they started using proof coins
I would imagine that you would be tempted if there was a return to using the original finish for these coins :angel::)
in one word YES , i do not like how they changed the type of coin used in the last few years
Quote from: 'frenc11' pid='99405' dateline='1475423693'Quote from: 'trout' pid='99401' dateline='1475409591'Quotenot a fan of the wedding sets since they started using proof coins
I would imagine that you would be tempted if there was a return to using the original finish for these coins :angel::)
in one word YES , i do not like how they changed the type of coin used in the last few years
I will answer this in the Wedding Set thread :ok:
Pretty sure there'll be no special design this year. All standards like 2010/2011.
I was hoping based on determinations that they would be Solar System themed originally.
RAM has been able to put some sort of "Spin" on the annual sets for the last few years making us have to get all the different sets because of one or two different being in each different set.
I can't see them doing differently this year.
I haven't seen anything about the 2017 sets yet.
Maybe RAM is waiting until the new year to issue these this time around due to the Queens advanced age ?
I reckon they've got brain fatigue :kez_11: from trying to keep us all in the dark.
Does their left hand know what their right hand is doing? I very much doubt it as there's no evidence to support it.
They may opt for a regular set as 2016 will be a hard act to follow and surely they will take into account collector/buyer fatigue? It is all getting just a bit to silly with such a proliferation of designs. Although they will drag put the War issues for a couple more years. At least pit imported coin designers appreciate our history.
Have a look at Currency Determination Number 4 from October 11th 2016 - there is even a Richie Benaud 50 cents!
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2016L01605
There is also an emphasis on War Medals and Awards.
Regards
Peter (notcb)
Quote from: 'notcb' pid='100402' dateline='1477369199'Have a look at Currency Determination Number 4 from October 11th 2016 - there is even a Richie Benaud 50 cents!
https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2016L01605
There is also an emphasis on War Medals and Awards.
Regards
Peter (notcb)
i like the idea of a richie benaud coin
Quotei like the idea of a richie benaud coin
An obvious choice to be used for the toss at a (Sydney?) test match.
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='100416' dateline='1477414625'Quotei like the idea of a richie benaud coin
An obvious choice to be used for the toss at a (Sydney?) test match.
yes indeed
Looking fwd to the last 5c year in 2017 sets
Big question is will the 2017 Australian coins use the 5th portrait of QEII? Jody Clark is the designer and the UK 2015 coins all have it. Although some of their 2015 coins have the old obverse too.
Cheers Mike
Quote from: 'runway' pid='100434' dateline='1477484514'Looking fwd to the last 5c year in 2017 sets
What makes you think that 2017 will be the last year the 5c will be Minted ??
In 2014 I bought my 2015 Mint and Proof sets from a dealer on 26/10 and in 2015 I bought the 2016 sets from the same dealer on 14/11.
Do we appear to be getting the sets a bit later each year, or is it just a case of when they are ready they become available??
We usually have some idea about the content of the annual sets by now though :angel:
I think the RAM is suffering a "hangover" from the changeover activities of the year. :angel:
Pedro
Quote from: 'Pedro' pid='100909' dateline='1478203504'I think the RAM is suffering a "hangover" from the changeover activities of the year. :angel:
Pedro
I would imagine that this year would have had to have been one of RAM's biggest years as far as the array of different coins produced.
Maybe next year they will concentrate on quality instead of just churning out stuff for the sake of it.
There were some nice offerings this year But there was also a lot of "Junk" produced as well.
It would be nice just to see a few Quality sets and a limited number of relevant commemoratives instead a plethora of garbage that you have to sort out the "Gems" from :ok:
Long time stalker - maybe - just maybe there is some 'blue sky thinking' from the RAM. Less is best, quality vs quantity. Just a thought.
I have it on good advice that the Mint and Proof sets for 2017 are both the standard design coins :yahoo:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='100574' dateline='1477698739'Quote from: 'runway' pid='100434' dateline='1477484514'Looking fwd to the last 5c year in 2017 sets
What makes you think that 2017 will be the last year the 5c will be Minted ??
It will be :wavemulticolor:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='100953' dateline='1478258435'I have it on good advice that the Mint and Proof sets for 2017 are both the standard design coins :yahoo:
Quite correct. I have my sets already.
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='100999' dateline='1478333264'Quote from: 'trout' pid='100953' dateline='1478258435'I have it on good advice that the Mint and Proof sets for 2017 are both the standard design coins :yahoo:
Quite correct. I have my sets already.
Hi Goldseeker .... so can you confirm if the RAM has switched to the Jody Clark 5th portrait for the 2017 coins or not?
Cheers Mike
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='100999' dateline='1478333264'Quite correct. I have my sets already.
How?
Quote from: 'Noelos237' pid='101002' dateline='1478338722'Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='100999' dateline='1478333264'Quite correct. I have my sets already.
How?
Downies
? australian mint and proof sets?
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='101011' dateline='1478343091'? australian mint and proof sets?
Yeah how? Pre-order? It's not on their website.
Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='101014' dateline='1478345260'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='101011' dateline='1478343091'? australian mint and proof sets?
Yeah how? Pre-order? It's not on their website.
I have been told that they already have them on hand and they are now selling.
I am going to wait until they are available on the RAM Shop to get mine.
These are available from the RAM shop now.
https://eshop.ramint.gov.au/2017-Six-Coin-Proof-Year-Set/210499.aspx
https://eshop.ramint.gov.au/2017-Six-Coin-Uncirculated-Year-Set/310929.aspx
Thanks for that Jen :good:
It is interesting to note that there is NO obverse image on the sets listing , The listing does state that the IRB design is used for these coins though.
Will the 2017 circulating coins still have the IRB obverse design or is there to be a new design on these ??
Quote from: 'trout' pid='101082' dateline='1478472633'Thanks for that Jen :good:
It is interesting to note that there is NO obverse image on the sets listing , The listing does state that the IRB design is used for these coins though.
Will the 2017 circulating coins still have the IRB obverse design or is there to be a new design on these ??
Looks like the RAM are sticking with the 4th Portrait of the Queen. I really thought they might have switched to the 5th Portrait as done by Jody Clark on the UK Decimal coins since 2015.
Interesting thing with the UK coins is that they switched half way through the year so you can get both effigies in the UK 2015 coins. All are available in circulation. The £1 & £2 coins do have different reverses though.
Maybe the RAM will stick with the IRB Effigy until Lizzy pops her clogs and then they can just go straight to the first portrait of King Charles III .... Although there is a rumour circulating in the UK that Prince William will be the next King as Charles is contemplating stepping aside for him.
Interesting times - Cheers Mike
I am thinking that the Jody Clark design would be used this year as we traditionally adopt the UK designs for our obverses.
Maybe we will see the transition Mid year in the Proof/Regular strike Baby sets :angel:
This is so disappointing. What happens if the queen dies before the Jody Clark portrait gets used on our coins? I know that if I were Jody Clark, I'd be furious at the current state of affairs. Imagine going to all that trouble to design a portrait that doesn't even get used outside your own country!
If they switch to Jody Clark design (looks like they will very soon, otherwise why bother making IRB the theme for 2017 sets?) then the mintage would be split between the two and making them scarce? Is that the theory?
Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='101097' dateline='1478487769'If they switch to Jody Clark design (looks like they will very soon, otherwise why bother making IRB the theme for 2017 sets?) then the mintage would be split between the two and making them scarce? Is that the theory?
I a Nutshell Mate, I can't see RAM missing out on making collectors have to buy both the standard sets and the baby sets as usual :angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='101098' dateline='1478488083'Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='101097' dateline='1478487769'If they switch to Jody Clark design (looks like they will very soon, otherwise why bother making IRB the theme for 2017 sets?) then the mintage would be split between the two and making them scarce? Is that the theory?
I a Nutshell Mate, I can't see RAM missing out on making collectors have to buy both the standard sets and the baby sets as usual :angel:
True. And neither will be rare with unlimited mintage.
I have just ordered my proof and mint sets along with a bag each of the $1 and $2 changeover coins :good:
I was thinking of buying some more changeover coins, but then I decided to wait until this year's coloured $2 Remembrance Day coin is released. Otherwise, I'll have to pay for twice as much postage as I need to. :winkextra:
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='101109' dateline='1478495045'I was thinking of buying some more changeover coins, but then I decided to wait until this year's coloured $2 Remembrance Day coin is released. Otherwise, I'll have to pay for twice as much postage as I need to. :winkextra:
I just tacked the baggies onto my order so I only had to pay face for them :)
They will replace the ones I opened earlier.
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='101109' dateline='1478495045'I was thinking of buying some more changeover coins, but then I decided to wait until this year's coloured $2 Remembrance Day coin is released. Otherwise, I'll have to pay for twice as much postage as I need to. :winkextra:
The baggies might not be there by the time they released the remembrance day $2 coin.
Their is no coloured Remembrance coin this year.
The RAM has backed out in doing any more coloured $2 coins this year.
"At 19 years in circulation Ian Rank-Broadley's design is one of the longest running effigies seen on our coins, and the Royal Australian Mint proudly invites you to obtain six fine examples of this stunning portrait."
I don't think that these coins have a new portrait.
I know what they are saying but they could have picked a better word...
•"Effigy" Oxford dictionary (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/effigy)
•"Effigy" Merriam-Webster dictionary (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/effigy)
A strong negative feeling to that word. Makes me think of Guy Fawkes, bonfires and such.
How about "portrait". "image", "likeness", "bust".....the list of 'friendly' words is quite long.
Quote from: 'jens coins' pid='101115' dateline='1478498071'Their is no coloured Remembrance coin this year.
The RAM has backed out in doing any more coloured $2 coins this year.
How do you know they backed out of it? Is there a news article or something? I really want to see the one listed on the second currency determination for this year, which had green, yellow and indigo on it.
I for one have a case of coloured $2 overload So am quite happy that this one has been given a Miss :good:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='101082' dateline='1478472633'Thanks for that Jen :good:
It is interesting to note that there is NO obverse image on the sets listing , The listing does state that the IRB design is used for these coins though.
Will the 2017 circulating coins still have the IRB obverse design or is there to be a new design on these ??
I know the images aren't much to go by ... but, both finishes are double bar 50c.
Does anyone else think it's weird how 20 months after a new effigy is unveiled in Britain, we spend all our time celebrating the old effigy instead of embracing the new one? Talk about being stuck in the past!
QuoteI know the images aren't much to go by ... but, both finishes are double bar 50c.
Don't get your hopes up Mate.
RAM tend to use that double bar image quite freely but the coins that are listed don't have the double bar when you get them.
Funnily enough the 50.50 proof coin which Does have a double bar didn't have the double bar image in the promotion :dash1:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='101105' dateline='1478491886'I have just ordered my proof and mint sets along with a bag each of the $1 and $2 changeover coins :good:
I hoped to do that too .. but only the $2 baggies are able to be ordered .. The $1 baggies are temporarily unavailable again... AGGHHH! :ireful:
So I have left the stuff in the cart and will see if they come back later.
At least the normal definitive coins are all available in the standard mint set for 2017. I won't have to buy the Baby Mint set like I had to in 2016 to get them all. That's a win! :)
Mike
I must have snaffled the last bag :angel:
The problem with coin collecting is that it's such an expensive hobby. If I had the money, I'd buy heaps of bags, but I keep finding more important things to spend my money on.
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='101136' dateline='1478514338'Does anyone else think it's weird how 20 months after a new effigy is unveiled in Britain, we spend all our time celebrating the old effigy instead of embracing the new one? Talk about being stuck in the past!
not at all
we are Australia not England and not in the EU
What's the EU got to do with it? I thought we were part of the Commonwealth, and as such, we always used the same portrait of the queen as Britain. If you don't like that, then go and call for a republic, because this is one of the consequences of being part of the Commonwealth.
Quote from: 'Hercules' pid='101161' dateline='1478566043'If you don't like that, then go and call for a republic, because this is one of the consequences of being part of the Commonwealth.
I think that your comment is a bit out of line and not anyway at all in connection with what RG said.
You owe her an apology Hercules
Well i agree with Hercules ..... what has the EU got to do with this discussion about effigies of the Queen. No apology is required at all
Cheers Mike
I respectfully disagree with you Brismike. Hercules asked a general question to the forum and received in my opinion a civil reply from another member of the forum.
Hercules Wrote:
Does anyone else think it's weird how 20 months after a new effigy is unveiled in Britain, we spend all our time celebrating the old effigy instead of embracing the new one?
RG Wrote:
not at all
we are Australia not England and not in the EU
Hercules seemed to not like this reply and took it a level that was both off topic and rude towards a well respected members opinion.
Why bite at another's opinion, or ask a question if you are not prepared to hear an answer, even if its not to the liking of ones views? The question was not about whether Australia should be a republic but a canvasing of thoughts about the length of time an effigy took to appear on our coins and the "celebration" (whatever that is) of an older and our current version. RG gave an answer as well as an explanation behind it. She didn't deserve to receive his reply to her opinion.
Just saw a deal from Downies - get mint and proof sets both for $125 (no discount) + $8 shipping. They will throw in a gold plated 1953 penny. Sounds reasonable? Plus a chance to win something that you most likely won't win.
http://www.downies.com/royal-australian-mint-coins/Australia-2017-Proof-and-Mint-Set-with-Free-Gold-Plated-Penny/7588/productview.aspx
Although much rather they give you a plain old penny. It's beautiful just the way it is.
It is nice of you to stick up for RG Cougar :good:
If RG has taken offense at what Hercules has said I believe that Robbie would have given it to him with both barrels by now :angel:
Fair call, I apologize if I was out of line.
Cougar - I read it all ... you didn't need to repost the whole conversation. I still do not see what the EU has got to do with anything in regards to the Effigy of the Queen. I believe that is what Hercules was objecting to and rightfully so. End of
Mike
Quote from: 'Cougar' pid='101197' dateline='1478605237'Fair call, I apologize if I was out of line.
nah
didn't see it
thanks for defending me mate - very nice to see xx i just made a comment - no waffling about starting a republic for God's sakes
about time i left this forum
it is getting far too bullish for my liking
and i don't need that s**** in my life at the moment
Quote from: 'trout' pid='101186' dateline='1478600694'It is nice of you to stick up for RG Cougar :good:
If RG has taken offense at what Hercules has said I believe that Robbie would have given it to him with both barrels by now :angel:
nah Robbie isn't up for the BS at the moment Trout
but thanks for the vote of confidence
Quoteabout time i left this forum
Don't you Dare, We need our forum Mum :heart:
Fanks . I fixed up my potty mouth words to keep miss pp happy
But gee
Can't people just make comments without being accused of some political rubbish
No. Wonder so many quiet types lurk
It is really stressful to get attacked for simple comments
Guilty of it myself too I suppose
Hard when you can't just chat face to face and then sat. Woahup that's not what I meant and so on
Anyways it was sweet to see another forum member stick up for me
I do.it for other members
It's nice to know someone is watching your back
OK, Now that the Mint and Proof sets are out and about anyone like to Guess what the Baby and Baby Proof sets are going to contain ??
i am tooo afraid to comment ha ha ..............
i'll leave it to the experts ...................
I like the Proof set boxes.
The Baby Sets will be the same as the regular sets. I think the colour inside will be a blue/grey/purple shade.
Quote from: 'planchetflaw' pid='101272' dateline='1478736284'I like the Proof set boxes.
The Baby Sets will be the same as the regular sets. I think the colour inside will be a blue/grey/purple shade.
There will be a special $1 coin design with a specific date on it for every day of the year. So there will be 365 sets you have to buy for the dedicated $1 coin collector.
^^^^^^^^^^ I certainly hope not!
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='101283' dateline='1478757917'^^^^^^^^^^ I certainly hope not!
That would be the next logical step. A coin for each letter of the alphabet for baby's name. And now a coin for each date for baby's birthday. :)
Oh it will come in business strike, proof, and silver, an option for every price range.
And 366 in a leap year!
That is too ridiculous to be true! Isn't it?
Next it will be personalised coins (à la numberplates). Or, maybe, send in a picture and get yourself, a loved one or even Donald trump on a coin. Australia Post does that with stamps already.
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='101291' dateline='1478762355'And 366 in a leap year!
That is too ridiculous to be true! Isn't it?
Next it will be personalised coins (à la numberplates). Or, maybe, send in a picture and get yourself, a loved one or even Donald trump on a coin. Australia Post does that with stamps already.
When that happens I stop collecting Australian Decimal and just concentrate on Euro CC's. :dodgy::dodgy:
Cheers Mike
Before we inundate RAM with complaints. I just want to point out this is entirely of my uneducated and uninformed speculations. :angel:
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/kchan1111/KeepCalmNoodling_zpst8g1qakn.jpg)
:biggrin:
Will do just that.
Ditto
I am thinking that the 2017 5c may only be available in the Mint and Proof sets next year.
There are a few rumors going around the tracks that the 5c may be taken out of service at some stage and that RAM will cut down on the mintages or not mint any for certain years as there are probably enough of them in circulation for commerce at the moment anyway.
We will just have to wait and see and it won't be the first time a denomination hasn't been minted for a year, There are plenty of "Mint Set Only" years for decimals in the past :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='101338' dateline='1478943793'I am thinking that the 2017 5c may only be available in the Mint and Proof sets next year.
There are a few rumors going around the tracks that the 5c may be taken out of service at some stage and that RAM will cut down on the mintages or not mint any for certain years as there are probably enough of them in circulation for commerce at the moment anyway.
We will just have to wait and see and it won't be the first time a denomination hasn't been minted for a year, There are plenty of "Mint Set Only" years for decimals in the past :ok:
I think you are right Trout .. pretty safe bet in my opinion too.
Cheers Mike
With the $2 coins now in the limelight I would not be surprised at all if the baby sets had a different design $2 coin in them like they did with the dollar coin before.
That way collectors would be enticed to add the baby sets to the shopping list as well as the Mint sets. :angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='101349' dateline='1478993318'With the $2 coins now in the limelight I would not be surprised at all if the baby sets had a different design $2 coin in them like they did with the dollar coin before.
That way collectors would be enticed to add the baby sets to the shopping list as well as the Mint sets. :angel:
Shhhhhh Trout ... Don't give them any ideas ... :nea:
Cheers Mike
QuoteShhhhhh Trout ... Don't give them any ideas ...
RAM will come up with something that will make the baby sets a "Must Have", They always do Mate :ok:
I have just picked up my 2017 proof and Mint sets from the Post office.
A big improvement with the Mint set coins quality and the Proofs are their usual Perfect selves :ok:
I am definitely not afflicted with "packkyboxitis" But the proof outer box is rather nice, It is embossed and the Queens image is outstanding the way the relief has been pressed out on the cardboard :good::)
I forgot to mention that the 50c coin is NOT a double bar as per the images supplied by RAM on the shop site.
So it looks like the 50.50 proof "C" mintmark 50c is still the only double bar IRB obverse :ok:
Maybe I have been a bit hasty giving the Mint and proof sets the "Thumbs Up".
This is the Dollar coin from the Mint set.
It looks like it has been struck with a rusty die looking at the granulated look of the obverse.
The proof also has "issues" with blurred frosting on the reverse.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2017.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2017_proof.jpg)
Surely they would not use defective or sub standard die?
Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='101802' dateline='1479904668'Surely they would not use defective or sub standard die?
The granulation's are over the entire design and not just in the fields.
If just the fields were affected I would put this down to being a result of using badly prepared planchets But because the entire coin is covered including the Queens face/neck it really does look like a rusty die was used.
All the little "Bumps" on the coin are raised so that indicates that the die is "Pitted" and that condition us usually caused by rust eating away the surface of the die.
If anyone else has this set can they have a good look at them to see if they are just as bad as mine please :ok:
I got my 2016 sets early last year as well and they were crap, Maybe it's not such a good idea to get these too early.
The changeover coins in the "baggies" are way better than the coins in the 2016 mint sets I got .
Here are the rest of the coins in my 2017 Mint set.
All the obverses have a rather heavily granulated look and the reverses are quite normal, I find this rather strange :ok:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2017_2_dollars.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2017_50c.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2017_20c.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2017_10c.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2017_5c.jpg)
The obverses of all the coins in my 2017 Mint set are the same as yours Jim. I reckon they're all a bit :dodgy:
Reverses all look normal.
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='101991' dateline='1480220481'The obverses of all the coins in my 2017 Mint set are the same as yours Jim. I reckon they're all a bit :dodgy:
Reverses all look normal.
I think "Shabby" is the word you are looking for Nevol :ok:
Just put my order in so will so will let you know what they are like when they arrive.
Cheers Mike
Just waiting now for Runway to pipe up and tell us that this set is "Perfect" :angel:
Just out of curiosity, I checked my 2015 set, and the Obverses are pretty much the same. Maybe just a tiny bit less severe than the 2017 ones, but still all affected. Now to find the 2016 set to check it out.
May 2016 sets (I bought 6 of them) were all very "Ordinary" But were not covered in all these "Pimples" for want of a better description.
I haven't had a look at my 2015 sets for quite a while and I doubt that I even scrutinised them that hard when they arrived, I will have a look shortly :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='101615' dateline='1479464353'I forgot to mention that the 50c coin is NOT a double bar as per the images supplied by RAM on the shop site.
So it looks like the 50.50 proof "C" mintmark 50c is still the only double bar IRB obverse :ok:
Thanks for confirmation.
I have just had a Good look at my 2015 Mint set and the dollar coin is "pimpled" but the rest of the coins are OK.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2015_dollar.jpg)
Is this just the orange peel effect, or something similar? Although I thought that only happens to gold and copper coins.
Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='102050' dateline='1480315107'Is this just the orange peel effect, or something similar? Although I thought that only happens to gold and copper coins.
I think it is more of a "Negligence" effect than orange peel :angel:
These are proof coins from the RAM what a joke surely they are not meant to be like that , maybe they thought "We got away with it with the 2015 dollar coin and no one COMPLAINED so why not the whole 2017 set :angel:
Quote from: 'AussieSilver' pid='102056' dateline='1480325834'These are proof coins from the RAM what a joke surely they are not meant to be like that , maybe they thought "We got away with it with the 2015 dollar coin and no one COMPLAINED so why not the whole 2017 set :angel:
They are not Proofs, These are from the annual Mint set circulation strike coins.
I do agree however that the quality is seriously Lacking :ok:
Not proofs my mistake :blush: still disappointing tho
Still NO 2017 baby sets up on the RAM site yet.
It seems unusual that the Mint and proof sets haven't got a "Special" coin in them this year So I am thinking that the Baby sets will include the 2017 "Theme" coin as I doubt very much that the marketing team will want the baby sets to include exactly the same coins as the Mint and Proof sets, RAM would loose revenue if this was the case.
I got my mint and proof sets yesterday .... Had a good look at the mint set and mine do not have that dimpled effect that yours have got. Mine are very smooth on both obverse and reverse sides. Yours might be worth a bit as some type of error?
Cheers Mike
Quote from: 'brismike' pid='102092' dateline='1480437526'I got my mint and proof sets yesterday .... Had a good look at the mint set and mine do not have that dimpled effect that yours have got. Mine are very smooth on both obverse and reverse sides.
Cheers Mike
Same here
I have just viwed my Mint set and it would appear to b e "orange peel" effect.
I shall wait until the 2017 Baby Sets are released, 05 Dec 2016, and go in and compare my set with those that Downies have not sold.
If the new set has a mirror like finish rather than the "orange skin" effect, does one keep both sets or swap for a mirror finish set?
Keep both . . could turn out to be quite an unusual error of some kind?
Mike
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='102096' dateline='1480458971'I have just viwed my Mint set and it would appear to b e "orange peel" effect.
I shall wait until the 2017 Baby Sets are released, 05 Dec 2016, and go in and compare my set with those that Downies have not sold.
If the new set has a mirror like finish rather than the "orange skin" effect, does one keep both sets or swap for a mirror finish set?
Is it usual for AlBr coins to develop the orange peel? I have seen quite a few pictures of gold coins with this but AlBr would be very hard metal for this?
I am sticking to my pitted die theory until someone can come up with a more plausible explanation :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='102134' dateline='1480513075'I am sticking to my pitted die theory until someone can come up with a more plausible explanation :ok:
:i_agree:
Having an affected set in hand, it's not the "orange peel" effect. Being struck from a rusty pitted die would cause them to look the way they do.
Looks like we have a new variety then ..... The Rusty Pitted Die 2017 Mint Set ..... ;)
Mike
I think that i will just get another set next year, Maybe the coins will be better.
The first lot of 2016 sets were pretty much garbage But later on they got better.
Picked mine up from VP coins this morning. Didn't look at them till arrived home, and yep, Liz's got those same pimples!!
It appears that the first Run of the Mint sets for the last 3 years have been pretty "Ordinary".
I wonder why this is as I imagine that Brand new fresh dies would be used to produce the first coins for a given year, It is rather odd.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='102176' dateline='1480590808'I wonder why this is as I imagine that Brand new fresh dies would be used to produce the first coins for a given year, It is rather odd.
Kinda makes me wonder if they do in fact make 'new' dies each year. Maybe they've got a heap all made at the same time in advance , mass produced but with no fate, and all they have to do is add the date each year. Might explain how supposedly 'new' dies are already rusty and pitted. :dodgy:
Or they don't want to go to the expense of making 'new' dies each year, so they re-purpose some old rusty dies that have been kicking around for years and just change the date. QEII is not getting any younger, so who knows what they're capable of.
That doesn't explain why the reverses on the 2016 changeover Mint sets were pretty ordinary initially.
I can see older obverse dies getting a date added and being used though.
I was flip flopping about buying the mint set because of the quality but went ahead and ordered one lucky dip i guess , now i am sitting in a state of :shock: ordered it yesterday arvo and have just got an email saying it has been posted , quickest turnaround ever .
Quote from: 'AussieSilver' pid='102198' dateline='1480653826'I was flip flopping about buying the mint set because of the quality but went ahead and ordered one lucky dip i guess , now i am sitting in a state of :shock: ordered it yesterday arvo and have just got an email saying it has been posted , quickest turnaround ever .
Why not go to post office or local dealer to inspect it first before committing? :)
Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='102206' dateline='1480666340'Quote from: 'AussieSilver' pid='102198' dateline='1480653826'I was flip flopping about buying the mint set because of the quality but went ahead and ordered one lucky dip i guess , now i am sitting in a state of :shock: ordered it yesterday arvo and have just got an email saying it has been posted , quickest turnaround ever .
Why not go to post office or local dealer to inspect it first before committing? :)
Many of of do not have the luxury of a dealer or even a Post Office with the latest and greatest products from RAM to be able to do this and have to play Russian roulette with the RAM Shop :(
I just received an email "Flyer" with the 2017 Baby sets in it Circ and Proof and they both have the standard design coins in them.
There is NO obverse image for either set but the Proof set is described as having an IRB obverse .
Looks like the RAM has dumped the Alphabet $1 coins then for 2017 now they have come to their senses and put the normal $1 coin back in the Baby Sets.
I wonder what the mintages will be for the 2016 versions of those Alphabet coins will be ..... ? Very very low I suspect.
Cheers Mike
Quote from: 'brismike' pid='102314' dateline='1480892294'Looks like the RAM has dumped the Alphabet $1 coins then for 2017 now they have come to their senses and put the normal $1 coin back in the Baby Sets.
I wonder what the mintages will be for the 2016 versions of those Alphabet coins will be ..... ? Very very low I suspect.
Cheers Mike
Nah, The ABC coins are back for 2017 with the same old tired designs with a different date on them.
I think the dedicated 25mm collectors are well and truly sick of these things by now.
Hi Trout ... Yes looks like I jumped the gun. Just after I sent that post above I got a flyer email from the RAM telling me all about them. These are the RAM's words ...
Depicting some of Australia's most beloved animals and inspired by our ABCs, the 2017 Alphabet Collection simply spell fun!
Featuring a range of different finishes and a new colour palette for 2017, there is something for every taste.
So looks like there might be some slight differences apart from the date ... Still not tempted?
Cheers Mike
QuoteStill not tempted?
Not in this lifetime Mate :angel:
By the looks of the coins in the 2017 Baby and the Baby proof sets there is NO need to have to get both lots of sets this year :yahoo:
I may get one of the standard Baby sets because traditionally the coins in the Baby sets are in better Nick than the normal Mint sets.
At $45 a pop they are a bit of a rip off though.
So has anyone taken their grainy coins out of packaging for a better look . Got mine today and look the same but on closer inspection it looks like its just the plastic not the coins ?
I will rip mine apart tonight Mate :ok:
I'm the name of numismatics of course :)
You are right AussieSilver, The plastic itself is granulated.:ok:
Probably designed to hide all the scrapes and dings on the coins.
I'm not sure which I prefer , the bubbly look or the bashed look :angel:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2017_dollar.jpg)
I just ordered another year set to replace the one I opened, a Baby set hoping that the coins will be in better condition and another little baggy of the changeover $2 to take advantage of the postage :)
Good job Trout thought you might rip one apart mystery solved :good: although a rusty die variety was starting to sound appealing .
It is odd that the plastic in the packaging has a frosted glass look to it.
The 2017 Baby set arrived today, Exactly the same coins as the Mint Set but at a $20 premium for the same generic token that was used in the 2015 and 2016 sets :angel:
I don't intend to bother with the Baby Proof set this year Priced at $25 more that the Same coins in the Proof set but in a different Box.