Something that has had me wondering for years and never really found a satisfactory answer. The term used to describe it in the industry is "Die Flash" but what exactly has happened to the die to give this change in surface condition from the standard frosty lustre that covers the rest of these coins.
I've cracked rolls where every coin has the same die flash marks in the same zone so my thoughts are it has to be die related. If someone can clarify this for me it would be greatly appreciated.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11510/Die_Flash.jpg)
Just as an example if you are unsure what I'm talking about, just grabbed this example from the PCGS pop report, graded MS66
pennies get it too
but I don't know what it is called
I have a roll of 63 6d's that are affected like this as well, I always thought that this sort of thing is caused by the ejector mechanism in the press being faulty :ok:
I had similar views until I saw it went underneath the legends perfectly without any damage caused to the lettering. Leant me towards it ocurring during the actual striking vs anything after
Just something I want to be able to explain to customers aswell
Maybe the planchet is getting marked up as it is fed into the press as I doubt that it is something on the die itself that causes this.
The damage isn't raised or incused on my coins, it is just a different "Look" on the fields.
Interesting.
Never taken any notice myself, but here's what comes immediately to mind...
Its on the field, so the surface of the die, not the incused portions of the design. And its not cleaning/polishing marks, which would be much more pronounced.
So my thinking is that the die has come into contact with something hard enough to mark it, but not violently enough to take a bite out of it. Maybe its been placed on a bench face down, and picked up the contact marks that way? Or something was placed on top of it with the same result. Maybe trays of dies with the top one slid across?
Regardless, I'd say its almost certain this didn't occur in a press, but earlier in the process.
I just dug one up and have taken a couple of images of my coins.
It is only the obverse that is affected and it certainly looks like a scrape mark, A shame really because the reverse is quite good.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/die_flash.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/die_flash1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/die_flash2.jpg)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='94727' dateline='1471334627'looks like a scrape mark
That one's cleaning scratches.
I thought you didn't collect errors, mate. ;)
That certainly seems to support Fulvio's hypothesis.
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='94729' dateline='1471335338'Quote from: 'trout' pid='94727' dateline='1471334627'looks like a scrape mark
That one's cleaning scratches.
I thought you didn't collect errors, mate. ;)
The funny thing is that there are no raised or incused marks on the coin, the affected area is smooth and you have to angle the coin in the light to see this.
Most of the die polish marks I have seen are raised lines on a coin, not smooth like this is .
If it is an error then I have pretty much a roll full :)
PCGS will grade them as if they don't exist so can't be any damage to the surface of the coin. Lightly clashed dies are possible but see too much in the way of variation between examples for that to be a clear cut answer
Quote from: 'trout' pid='94732' dateline='1471335711'the affected area is smooth and you have to angle the coin in the light to see this.
Oh?
Well, they certainly LOOK raised in those pics.
Hmmm....
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='94737' dateline='1471338304'Quote from: 'trout' pid='94732' dateline='1471335711'the affected area is smooth and you have to angle the coin in the light to see this.
Oh?
Well, they certainly LOOK raised in those pics.
Hmmm....
I have got these in saflips in a ziplock with "Buggered" written on a sticker on the ziplock :angel:
not sure if they show up in the pics here but this beautiful penny has quite a few of those marks
then the reverse has what almost looks like those weight alignment lines that you see on the 8 reales
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/resized_28129.JPG)(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/resized_28229.JPG)(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/P4060203_-_Copy.JPG)
PCGS doesn't reject them as I have them on threepences and sixpences graded 66 and 67, so you had better cross out bugger from your saflips Trout. They seem to be more common on QEII threepences and sixpences but I have at least one GeoV sixpence with die flash. Has anyone seen them on KEVII coins or on Crowns?
PCGS may not reject them but I do, I Must be a fussy sod :angel:
i can't stand seeing coins in PCGS slabs with green verdigris and/or legends filled with dirt & crud
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='94750' dateline='1471351310'i can't stand seeing coins in PCGS slabs with green verdigris and/or legends filled with dirt & crud
:i_agree:
Found this 1956 Florin with a similar flash effect in the obverse field.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/1956_Florin.JPG)
Your just too rough with ya coins auto :mocking:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='94773' dateline='1471393077'Your just too rough with ya coins auto :mocking:
Now you're just being picky cos of the scuff marks on the relief. :P
Be good, or we'll have to spank you. No wait.. you might enjoy that. :dodgy:
Well I reckon that's a pretty flash coin, especially below Lizzies chin. Maybe AJ's Mum needs to carry out a spanking :biggrin:
:yahoo: I wouldn't say NO to
(http://i64.tinypic.com/35he48w.jpg)
:blush2:
:shock: no she doesn't auto, anyway I'm too big now :mocking: But she still says she'll give me a clip under the ear, or wait till I'm asleep :)
:scratch_one-s_head: is that a die crack on the bottom of the bust auto.
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='94789' dateline='1471399238':scratch_one-s_head: is that a die crack on the bottom of the bust auto.
Hadn't noticed that AJ. Will have to go and dig it out. The coin that is, not the crack :)
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='94794' dateline='1471401630'Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='94789' dateline='1471399238':scratch_one-s_head: is that a die crack on the bottom of the bust auto.
Hadn't noticed that AJ. Will have to go and dig it out. The coin that is, not the crack :)
You have an eagle eye AJ. While I was at it I found another 56 with a die crack in a similar spot. Liz definitely spent way too much time rolling her shoulders in the sand pit when she was a nipper. The second coin has die flash as well, hadn't noticed that before:shock:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/1956_Florin_obv__Die_crack.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/1956_Florin_Die_crack_2_close_up.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/1956_Florin_obv__Die_crack_2.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/1956_Florin_rev_.JPG)
AJ always find the die cracks and stuff
i put up a glorious coin (IMO) and then comes in with the - oh did ya see the blah blah
eagle eyes for sure
should work on the tuna fishing boats - they'd pay him big $$ for his eagle eyes
:laugh2: Sorry team :blush2:
That second coin has a nice die crack auto :good:
When I went to a auction showing with Belly he also got annoyed with my "eagle eye" :mocking: as we were looking at proofs and I was finding errors everywhere and when I pointed them out after he'd already looked at the coins he said he didn't see them until I pointed them out :)
This might be why I grade a bit harder than others so not much point in me getting a job with pcgs :winkextra:
Alan Herbert in the "Official Price Guide to Mint Errors" lists in the "Die Division" of errors (II-I-2 to be precise) an error type called "Polished Die". He mentions that circulation dies are sometimes touched up or repaired with various grades of polish and abrasives and "small areas of circulation dies may be found with a similar mirror finish (to that of proof dies)". I suspect that this is what you're seeing. And I've seen it many times, especially on later date QE2 silver. I suspected it's only a phenomenon of the first few thousand coins struck from a die before it wears away.
Very interesting, thanks Mark :good:
Quote from: 'markn' pid='94824' dateline='1471418972'Alan Herbert in the "Official Price Guide to Mint Errors" lists in the "Die Division" of errors (II-I-2 to be precise) an error type called "Polished Die". He mentions that circulation dies are sometimes touched up or repaired with various grades of polish and abrasives and "small areas of circulation dies may be found with a similar mirror finish (to that of proof dies)". I suspect that this is what you're seeing. And I've seen it many times, especially on later date QE2 silver. I suspected it's only a phenomenon of the first few thousand coins struck from a die before it wears away.
I'd have to disagree. The die flashes seem to not be mirror like but a feature that runs in a single direction (much like taking a polishing cloth and taking a single straight line swipe over a surface). To take what Herbert describes and then apply it to die flashing would require the polish and abrasive to be done in a single straight pass and not multiple swirling motions (highly unlikely). So I'm presuming that what Herbert describes is something different.
Take it another way, do proof coins surfaces look like a big die flash?
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='94805' dateline='1471413377'This might be why I grade a bit harder than others so not much point in me getting a job with pcgs :winkextra:
Not that I would know, but from all reports I reckon they need you at Apcgs AJ :angel: Could be the beginnings of something big Mate :yahoo: :)
:laugh2: don't think so mate, I'd be better off starting AJPCGS :D
Here are 4 more coins picked at random from a roll and all of them have identical marks in the flash.
I am going with Fulvio's theory about the die getting a scrape on it :ok:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/die_flash6.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/die_flash5.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/die_flash4.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/die_flash3.jpg)
Great pics Trout, they certainly show the consistency.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='94861' dateline='1471469616'Here are 4 more coins picked at random from a roll and all of them have identical marks in the flash.
I am going with Fulvio's theory about the die getting a scrape on it :ok:
I am seeing a polished die there with underlying die scratches. Exactly what you'd expect to see when someone got a bit enthusiastic with a wire brush and then tried to polish out the scratches with a finer grade abrasive or polishing compounds.
QuoteI am seeing a polished die there with underlying die scratches. Exactly what you'd expect to see when someone got a bit enthusiastic with a wire brush and then tried to polish out the scratches with a finer grade abrasive or polishing compounds.
So my coins are just die polish and not a die flash then :ok:
It is certainly not a good look on an otherwise nice coin though :dash1:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='94877' dateline='1471474910'QuoteI am seeing a polished die there with underlying die scratches. Exactly what you'd expect to see when someone got a bit enthusiastic with a wire brush and then tried to polish out the scratches with a finer grade abrasive or polishing compounds.
So my coins are just die polish and not a die flash then :ok:
It is certainly not a good look on an otherwise nice coin though :dash1:
I hadn't heard the term "die flash" before this thread was started so I really have no idea. But what I see on your coin is what I described. If that's what die flash is, then I guess it's die flash.
QuoteI hadn't heard the term "die flash" before this thread was started so I really have no idea
You and me both Mate :)
Still it's not a bad term to describe something that has only affected a small portion of a coin all the same.
Most times the die polishing can be seen pretty much all over the coin and giving something like this a moniker isn't such a bad idea :good:
To me it looks a bit like the unintended result of some kind of mechanical process. MS66:
(http://images.pcgs.com/TrueView/27330388_Large.jpg)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='94887' dateline='1471479473'Still it's not a bad term to describe something that has only affected a small portion of a coin all the same.
I think its a terrible term, actually.
THIS is what flash is:
(http://s3files.core77.com/gallery/images/Brazil-MF-37.jpg)
Basically the excess material squeezed out between dies.
So in coin terms, that would be the raised bits we see around the rims, especially on AlBr coins. You know, those extremely rare, "mule-like" double rims the feebay bottom feeders keep flogging.
I don't have any better terms in mind right now, but I'd like to think we can come up with something better. IF, that is, we need to differentiate them from the more pedestrian cleaning scratches at all.
I think this is an interesting topic
I was looking at an unc penny that is the old standard veiled queen variety
the coin was total unc and when I was having a close look the 'veil'around queenies head had these similar lines
i always wondered what caused this error
if i can capture it on camera I will post it
Quote from: 'markn' pid='94883' dateline='1471478623'Quote from: 'trout' pid='94877' dateline='1471474910'QuoteI am seeing a polished die there with underlying die scratches. Exactly what you'd expect to see when someone got a bit enthusiastic with a wire brush and then tried to polish out the scratches with a finer grade abrasive or polishing compounds.
So my coins are just die polish and not a die flash then :ok:
It is certainly not a good look on an otherwise nice coin though :dash1:
I hadn't heard the term "die flash" before this thread was started so I really have no idea. But what I see on your coin is what I described. If that's what die flash is, then I guess it's die flash.
Yeah i hadn't seen it described until recently, Jim Noble used in on a couple of his coins, then noticed Walter had aswell in the latest numisbid auction. Prior to that it seemed like it was something people put in the too hard basket.
I do like Marks answer although why so many of the 1960's silver seem to be affected to varying degrees still has me baffled. Must have made the same mistake with the dies a couple of times or adjusted the polish a few times. Could also be a coincidence that a bulk amount of those which survived in mint state came from this repaired die
Quote from: 'markn' pid='94873' dateline='1471474491'Quote from: 'trout' pid='94861' dateline='1471469616'Here are 4 more coins picked at random from a roll and all of them have identical marks in the flash.
I am going with Fulvio's theory about the die getting a scrape on it :ok:
I am seeing a polished die there with underlying die scratches. Exactly what you'd expect to see when someone got a bit enthusiastic with a wire brush and then tried to polish out the scratches with a finer grade abrasive or polishing compounds.
We will have to agree to disagree. A wire brush would leave thin grooves and all of the same width, these lines vary in thickness and unlike you would expect from a wire brush the lines are dead straight and parallel. No signs of criss-crossed lines that normally are seen from dies being cleaned up and no sign of any curved or circular motion in the lines.
Perhaps Fulvio is correct with the scrape theory and perhaps something like a paint scraper was dragged across the surface.
I think that we can all agree that this is caused by a problem with the die and not pre strike or post strike damage because of the identical markings over several coins.
If something was dragged across the die, The die came into contact with something or was harshly wire brushed and the die was damaged because of this then I imagine that all we would see on the finished coin would be just the scratches.
This isn't the case with the coins I have, There is also an area where the scratches are on the coin that appears to be smooth and polished compared to the fields on the rest of the coin.
So Marks theory definitely holds water when he says that the damaged area has been polished in an attempt to repair the die.
Wither it is a result of over zealous use of a wire brush or an accidental contact that damaged the die in the first place It does appear to have been subject to a polish in an attempt to repair that damage.
my photographic skills aren't the best
but this coin definitely has similar lines to my eye
so my point is that it's not only a silver coin phenomena
I hope you guys can see the lines in my pics - of course they are clear as day under the loupe!
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/P8180107_-_Copy.JPG)(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/P8180099_-_Copy.JPG)(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/P8180101_-_Copy.JPG)
There is a tool called a scraper (don't even think about it AJ :mocking::angel:), usually made from an old file which has the leading face ground at about 90 degrees to form a nice sharp edge. The application where they might be used is where a burr or some kind of raised anomaly has had a detrimental effect on a flat surface. As the term implies, they are used in a back and forth scraping motion to remove miniscule unwanted high spots, often in conjunction with a surface plate and prussian blue as a witness marker, but that's another story. My point is that whenever scrapers were used, the area worked on was always easily identifiable by the small shiny surface patches they left. These days they probably use surface grinders, lazy buggers :angel:
To me it seems logical that the tool room guys at the Mint from time to time may have used similar tooling to remove field surface defects from the dies, not just wire brushes which would be useless where any amount of raised metal surface was an issue.
Anyhow, I was looking at a few coins, and incredibly stumbled upon another 1956 florin with the same die flash marks as the coin I posted earlier in this thread. It then dawned on me that I had seen this type of effect before as marks from a scraping tool. All supposition I know, but what isn't without concrete evidence.
This is the first coin I posted.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/1956_Florin_Die_crack_2_close_up.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/1956_Florin_obv__Die_crack_2.JPG)
It's not quite as clear on this coin, but is at the same spot ATI at base of bust, and displays the same die crack.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/1956_Florin_die_f2.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/1956_Florin_die_f_.JPG)
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='94929' dateline='1471509192'There is a tool called a scraper ... identifiable by the small shiny surface patches they left.
One thing I've been meaning to ask..
Why is the 'default' field not shiny in the first place? I mean, in comparison to decimals, the finish looks sort of satin. Except, of course, where the scrapes are.
Is this because of the chrome plating now standard? That started at the tail end of predecimals though. A difference in the planchets?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :scratch_one-s_head:
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='94934' dateline='1471510147'Why is the 'default' field not shiny in the first place?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :scratch_one-s_head:
It's an interesting question and certainly one I'm not too sure about. My guess is that the original fields would certainly have been uniform, and so being would have looked nice and shiny because of it. I do know that when you attempt to touch up only a small area of a larger machined surface, it's usually always noticeable, particularly if the repair is carried out in a multi directional fashion. All supposition from me as far as toolroom activities, and material usage at the Mint is concerned :)
I have a friend who used to work on/make dies - but not pre-decimal ones
If I remember I will ask him about this as he might have suggestions
i think this is very interesting
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='94947' dateline='1471519851'i think this is very interesting
Indeed.
Trying to get to the heart of the matter with regards to the processes at the mint is always like a good detective mystery I think.
They keep crap records. They actively avoid telling you useful things. They dumb things down to primary school student level.
And yet, we often CAN piece stories together by putting our heads together. Great fun, eh? :angel:
This IS an interesting subject and I have no doubt whatsoever that we will come up with a plausible explanation with or without the help from RAM :)
Quote from: 'Cockatoo Coins' pid='94910' dateline='1471500641'Jim Noble used in on a couple of his coins, then noticed Walter had aswell in the latest numisbid auction.
Can you recall which coins? Any pics?
I am a little surprised that Walter, Eric or Andrew haven't had any input on this question yet :angel:
Walter was on the specimen 1916 shilling, Jim used it on a heap of the Fenton Zac's
Here is a link to the shilling:
http://www.numisbid.com.au/Browse/1916M_Specimen_Shilling_PCGS_MS64/31245
EDIT:
http://www.noble.com.au/auctions/lot?id=364553
http://www.noble.com.au/auctions/lot?id=364554
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='94982' dateline='1471565858'Here is a link to the shilling:
http://www.numisbid.com.au/Browse/1916M_Specimen_Shilling_PCGS_MS64/31245
Now Walter states the die flash for this 1916 shilling is characteristic of that years specimen strikes. Now I've noticed that die flash coins are usually free of die cracks, blobs and other defects and are normally well struck. So are they early strikes? Possibly early strikes from dies of the first batch off a new hub? So possibly the die flash is on the hub and transferred to the working dies and before long the flashiness is lost from both the hubs and the working dies?
Are die flashes characteristic of other specimen strikes from other years (particularly the pre 1955 stuff), I've a 1936 sixpence that I got of Klaus Ford that was sold as Gem and it has a perfect strike with a die flash behind the kings neck, now I know that 1936 "proof" sixpences exist so is my coin a "proof", a specimen or a circulation strike (possibly from the leftover "proof" dies).
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='94983' dateline='1471567097'Now I've noticed that die flash coins are usually free of die cracks, blobs and other defects and are normally well struck.
The three 1956 Florins I posted earlier displayed obverse die cracks in the lower bust area. Would it be possible for a proof die to develope die cracks during the course of it's limited run? Showing my ignorance here, so what did they do with the proof dies following their limited usage, were they then used for circulation strikes after maybe being touched up if necessary?
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='94984' dateline='1471569647'so what did they do with the proof dies following their limited usage
Waste not, want not?
The numis link looks like it could have a slight die crack from the rim heading to the emu's bum and I'd like to know what the mark is behind the kings head. The first noble's link of the 1962 looks to have a die crack on the bottom of the bust but can't tell with the 63 but I think Fenton was really lucky to get such high grades with both those coins as I wouldn't have given them a 67 or 67+ that's for sure and would have given the 1963 MS62 and the 1962 MS63 if the 1916 was only MS64 as it's a lot nicer strike than either of Fenton's coins.
Yes auto I have seen lots of proofs with die cracks, just ask Belly. That's why he called me eagle eyes :winkextra:
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='94964' dateline='1471537738'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='94947' dateline='1471519851'i think this is very interesting
Indeed.
Trying to get to the heart of the matter with regards to the processes at the mint is always like a good detective mystery I think.
They keep crap records. They actively avoid telling you useful things. They dumb things down to primary school student level.
And yet, we often CAN piece stories together by putting our heads together. Great fun, eh? :angel:
Although some explanations are a bit like little kids theories - if there is a gap then just fill it in with what works for you
I have had some very weird and wonderful éxpert' explanations of numismatic matters that are plain rubbish
I guess that I am lucky having friends who have in the past or currently do work either in the mint on the minting floors or in the more historical sections
i am very lucky and it probably is why I am such an avid collector now
being a Gemini I needs facts and details not waffle - although being a Gemini I am also pretty good at spreading waffle!! ha ha
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='94998' dateline='1471577515'facts and details not waffle
Of course. But there's nothing wrong with a little conjecture.. unless it gets passed off as 'expert' opinion graven in stone. That's when it becomes bovine organic fertiliser. :angel:
ha ha you are funny
we have a great assortment of engineers and chemists in this forum so I reckon the waffle is well and truly based in solid scientific knowledge
:dodgy: Our PM reminds me of the old chocolate as he likes to waffle and he's a polly, bit of luck the same will become of him that happened to the humble old polly waffle :angel:
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95012' dateline='1471584247'ha ha you are funny
we have a great assortment of engineers and chemists in this forum so I reckon the waffle is well and truly based in solid scientific knowledge
Hey, I resemble that remark (I'm ex CSIRO) and I know most boffins waffle on, I'm sure I do it way too often as well. Best sort of mind can come up with dozens of theories and then accept that most can be dismissed when tested. A hard part is giving up on pet theories and the hardest part is admitting when you have made a blunder (and I've made my share of those.
As an engineer I refuse to make theories; I just 'postulate' -but, really, it is mostly a guess based on limited information. Inspection and measurement sometimes proves me right and oftentimes....
That is a little mind game I play on the way to a site. Need to be careful though not to let any preconceived notion get in the way of the facts. What is reported as the reason for a call is often mostly vague and includes assumptions from the client or agent.
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='94990' dateline='1471576465'Yes auto I have seen lots of proofs with die cracks, just ask Belly. That's why he called me eagle eyes :winkextra:
Tar AJ :good: to know :)
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='95020' dateline='1471590964'What is reported as the reason for a call is often mostly vague and includes assumptions from the client or agent.
Reminds me of the time I went to the doc, opened up the top of my overalls and pointing to some sort of rash, told him I had measles. Without leaving his chair he said so you have, and wrote me a certificate for two weeks off :yahoo: The thing is, I genuinely thought it was measles, but turned out to be a rash from a diesel spill earlier in the day. I think that assumption was more accurate though :biggrin:
that's funny :taunt:
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='95029' dateline='1471596624'Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='94990' dateline='1471576465'Yes auto I have seen lots of proofs with die cracks, just ask Belly. That's why he called me eagle eyes :winkextra:
Tar AJ :good: to know :)
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='95020' dateline='1471590964'What is reported as the reason for a call is often mostly vague and includes assumptions from the client or agent.
Reminds me of the time I went to the doc, opened up the top of my overalls and pointing to some sort of rash, told him I had measles. Without leaving his chair he said so you have, and wrote me a certificate for two weeks off :yahoo: The thing is, I genuinely thought it was measles, but turned out to be a rash from a diesel spill earlier in the day. I think that assumption was more accurate though :biggrin:
I so wanna be good, so I'm not saying a word :angel:
the year before last, my hubby had a rash like the measles
turned out to be viral meningitis
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95052' dateline='1471603490'the year before last, my hubby had a rash like the measles
turned out to be viral meningitis
Since we're so far off-topic already, here's an article I shared on Fb earlier tonight:
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/family/2014/01/growing_up_unvaccinated_a_healthy_lifestyle_couldn_t_prevent_many_childhood.html
of course we are off topic
it's the sociability of this forum
and it makes it more fun
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='95050' dateline='1471603257'I so wanna be good, so I'm not saying a word :angel:
:biggrin: So I noticed, but we do like it when you play rough :biggrin:
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95052' dateline='1471603490'the year before last, my hubby had a rash like the measles
turned out to be viral meningitis
:shock: Yikes......I'm definitely sticking the the diesel type then :angel:
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='95071' dateline='1471609786'http://www.slate.com/articles/life/family/2014/01/growing_up_unvaccinated_a_healthy_lifestyle_couldn_t_prevent_many_childhood.html
:scratch_one-s_head::nea: SAFERWEB said danger danger Will Robinson Danger :angel:
:wavemulticolor:
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='95078' dateline='1471615630'Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='95050' dateline='1471603257'I so wanna be good, so I'm not saying a word :angel:
:biggrin: So I noticed, but we do like it when you play rough :biggrin:
I don't think you realise how hard it is for me to be good, but I can only try :winkextra: :friends: You just wanna get me in trouble, well I can do a pretty good job of that my self thank you very much..and that's with out any help from the likes of Jeff, Uni or Pedro let alone adding Fulvio to the equation :laugh2:
Ever hear of "tall poppy syndrome".. they all have it in for me :swoon: :mocking:
I think it's the beanie :blink:
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='95078' dateline='1471615630'SAFERWEB said danger danger Will Robinson Danger
Probly cos of their ads and subscription splash.Just interrupt it before it loads, same as any other publication website.
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='95083' dateline='1471619415'I think it's the beanie :blink:
That's a beanie? I though you just switched to a really bad hairdresser. :dodgy:
Don't be like that mate, you know I loves ya :friends:
Checking through my slabs I found an interesting variety of die flash. The flash is a perfect registration on the reverse of a Geo V sixpence of the kings head. Lips, nose etc are outlined by the die flash. PCGS number 32864169.
Explanation:huh:?
Nice coin, MS65:
(http://images.pcgs.com/TrueView/32864169_Large.jpg)
What are those flashy areas around the emu, kangaroo and across to the star?
EDIT hehehe should read the complete post, I see what you mean. Could it be a pressure issue?
i think that is the stuff that this thread is about
'die flash' and then the academic debate about just what it is & why it is
never heard of the term die flash before this thread mind you
but i live n a mushroom as I'd never heard the term grannie bait until i joined this forum as well
ahhh the wonders of numismatics!! ha ha
Is this phenomenon exclusive to pre-decimal coins or is it also seen on decimals?
I was checking some coins from recent noodling, to see which are really worth keeping and saw something similar on a 1981 20¢. I have a large bag of those in good grades for sorting by mint so I perhaps should put that task higher up my "to do" list. See if I can find the same thing on another sample.
if it's die care related then I don't see why it wouldn't be possible
Very interesting, it's looking like a very fine line with a few things that are called different things eg, die clash, die flash, ghosting, die pressure :scratch_one-s_head:
I have marked where you can see different parts, so would this be what they call ghosting :huh: I'm getting very lost with all this, but then that's easy for me to do.
(http://i63.tinypic.com/24pkso3.jpg)
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='95300' dateline='1471849006'The flash is a perfect registration
It would have to be a die clash. But very light contact, so as not to leave the usual indentation on the die. I take it there's no depth to the marks, right?
Oil stain from the next coin in the roll!
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='95318' dateline='1471858400'Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='95300' dateline='1471849006'The flash is a perfect registration
It would have to be a die clash. But very light contact, so as not to leave the usual indentation on the die. I take it there's no depth to the marks, right?
There is no indentation at all. Perhaps the ghosting has obliterated the die flash at the king?
Quote from: 'Robster' pid='95352' dateline='1471875865'Oil stain from the next coin in the roll!
No, how does the oil only reside on the king and more importantly how does it get onto the field of this coin?
Looks like "Ghosting" to me AJ, Great looking coin by the way Mate :drooling:
Not my coins mate but wish it was :( I'm pretty sure it Neal's and Rob posted the pic on the previous page, I just put arrows so anyone that was wondering what in the hell we're all talking about might be able to see it better but it sure is a ripper of a coin :good:
Yeah Neal's post #75 has the PCGS number and then Rob's post #76 had the pic.
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='94746' dateline='1471346722'Has anyone seen them on KEVII coins or on Crowns?
Dug out my one and only 1938 Crown. Have a look in the area of IMP, looks very similar.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/1938_Crown2C_Die_flash_at_IMP.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/1938_Crown_obv_.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/1938_Crown_rev_.JPG)
I think you need to send it to me so I can have a better look auto :blush2:
QuoteDug out my one and only 1938 Crown. Have a look in the area of IMP, looks very similar.
That does look like the die could have had a bit of a "Buff" :ok:
it is so jolly hard to photograph
nice crown by the way