Just seen this on the mint page about the $2 coins being available
from 19th July at Woolworths stores nationwide.
http://www.ramint.gov.au/news-media/news/exciting-news-announced-on-morning-show-about-2016-australian-olympic-team-coin
21/06/2016
This morning on The Morning Show on Channel 7, two of the Royal Australian Mint Coin Program Ambassadors basketball player Patty Mills and paratriathlete Kate Doughty made an exciting announcement about an upcoming coin program for the Olympics and Paralympics.
To celebrate Rio 2016, Woolworths and the Mint have joined forces to create six Royal Australian Mint commemorative coins. The $2 coins will be available from Woolworths supermarkets nationwide from the 19th July in the lead-up and throughout the Olympic and Paralympic games.
There will be 12 million coins produced in six different designs. The five Olympic coins feature 32 sport motifs ranging from volleyball, judo, boxing to running and feature the colours of the Olympic rings. The Paralympic coin features a wheelchair in motion and the colours synonymous with the Australian Paralympic Team, being the first multi-coloured $2 coin. The popular collector items pay homage to the Australian Olympic and Paralympic team.
Thanks for the heads-up (bad pun there I'm afraid) Jen! Can get them with the weekly shopping :biggrin:
Pedro
Gee what is it with the bloody mint/government and playing favourites with big business. Something big is going on and looks very much like the gov wants to sell the mint and this gives big business a taste of the profits they can make.
So 12 million, so I wonder how many of each of the designs and if they'll be an equal amount or one design will have a lot more mintage and I wonder what they mean by "multi-coloured" so there must be more than 2 as they've already done that a few times but the first wasn't for circulation with the 2012 poppy but then there was the 2015 with the two tone rings.
What a coup this is for woolies so I wonder if they'll make it up here or they'll only be a capitol city thing so the chances are I'll never get to see one besides seeing the pic's everyone puts up :( I'm really starting to hate coin collecting in austalia as you either have to live in a capitol or have very deep pockets that I do not :cray:
SO, What's the GO here.
Can you get all the different coins at once from Woolies , Or do you have to do several shops and hope to get them in your change??
Can you simply buy them from the RAM site instead ?
The currency determination also lists various mintmarks/counterstamps..................
Quote from: 'trout' pid='91149' dateline='1466480226'SO, What's the GO here.
Can you get all the different coins at once from Woolies , Or do you have to do several shops and hope to get them in your change??
Can you simply buy them from the RAM site instead ?
Those and more questions will no doubt be answered in the days ahead.
Unlikely you will be able to walk off the street & get ten at face value
there will be some catch attached to the whole thing.
Quotethere will be some catch attached to the whole thing
There always bloody well is Mate and yet the same people will have rolls and bags of these within hours of the coins release listed on eBay :dash1:
Quotethere will be some catch attached to the whole thing.
Cynical me thinks that Woolworths will not be taking part purely as an act of charity to our Olympic team (or coin collectors) but will expect something in return -minimum purchase first, sign up for 'loyalty' programme, give them lots of your personal details for their marketing or some such.
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='91165' dateline='1466487828'Quotethere will be some catch attached to the whole thing.
Cynical me thinks that Woolworths will not be taking part purely as an act of charity to our Olympic team (or coin collectors) but will expect something in return -minimum purchase first, sign up for 'loyalty' programme, give them lots of your personal details for their marketing or some such.
I think you might have to exchange your first born!
Does that get you the full set?
What do you get for a kidney? Needs to be an option for a childless person.
I sincerely hope that this is Not going to be another of the "Get the album and add weekly" and only available to Woolworth shoppers like the Newspaper tokens/coins were :dodgy:
Yep spend $30 or MORE (more than likely a lot more) and sacrifice your four cents a litre fuel docket to receive your coin docket.
Why are we complaining all ready. Why don't we wait and see what the requirements are before we start complaining.
Yes, I want the coins, yes I want the requirements but I am forced to wait.
I can wait, patiently.
I think our real complaint is they make a breathless announcement of an "exciting' initiative with no details of how it will work.
They have form for that, then usually the details turn out to be counter the expectations they have fostered.
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='91190' dateline='1466502269'I think our real complaint is they make a breathless announcement of an "exciting' initiative with no details of how it will work.
They have form for that, then usually the details turn out to be counter the expectations they have fostered.
:agreed:
I have to agree with you Mate as RAM seem to be making the sourcing of their new coins more difficult and expensive all the time.
What is so hard about RAM selling rolls or baggies of the new circulating coins directly to collectors at face value (Plus postage of course) instead of buying newspapers or shopping at a certain supermarket in order to acquire the coins :dash1:
They can do this in Canada and the US so why do RAM insist on making it so bloody difficult all the time???
It's the motive behind it all that's really pissin me off, it so looks like another thing (the mint) the government is trying to sell off, where will it all end. Why is it only big business is getting these sweet deal, I suppose they've sold us out on everything else so why not sell the #@%*! mint :@ Why are people so stupid and can't see what I see or are happy to see our assets get sold off for nothing :dash1:
Because a bunch of total wankers are running everything trout, the once great australia isn't great any more, it hasn't been for a bloody long time, full of tosser that have no idea and happy to be a sheep :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTO4qBW88Lo
Oh no, that brought back some bad memories AJ after I'd almost removed it too. :shok:
Pedro
Wait... what does making coins for businesses have to do with an asset being sold? Is there really some kind of speculation the mint is being sold?
Edit... getting them from a supermarket will be better than all the little newsagents who deliberately withheld them (20c/25c) to sell on ebay etc
:laugh2: sorry Pedro :angel:
It's how it all start LC, they've (the government) have done it time and time again, say something is running bad so it's better if we privatise it and they've been trying to make out the mint has been running bad for a long time and if you show a few of the big business they can make good money it's easier to sell it off, EG, auspost, comm bank etc etc etc and it's a very long list and soon to be medicare as well. I know they haven't done it yet but just look at the humble little five cent that they're always saying they've got to get rid of because it "costs too much to make it" when in reality I am still finding coins from 1966 so you can't tell me they don't get their money back and more when you take how many hands it passes through and they get a GST :dash1: It's just a piss poor excuse to increase the price of everything and what's it matter it's only five cents right but try being on DSP and all the little five cents here there and everywhere soon add up :(
thought I'd just do a google search and this is what come up so it's been in the liberal plans from 2014 at least.
https://www.google.com.au/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=s-JAU9K0CMXC8gfZy4C4Dg#q=federal+government+to+sell+of+australian+mint
And yes I know it was labour (Keating, wolf in sheep clothing) that sold the comm bank but the libs were fully on board and then they just went sick when coward got in and he sold heaps of the aussie assets that were making good money. But that's why I say government as they're all the bloody same and only there to line their own pockets.
Sorry for the rant but this really annoys me and makes me sad and depressed.
Hi Jack, I hold the same sentiments towards privatisation as you do. I dont like it.. But im not seeing a connection between these coin releases and any potential sell off.
Now... if Auspost was sold off after a string of special addition stamps distributed through newsagents and supermarkets you would have my full attention.
Have mints been privatised anywhere before i wonder :)
Anyone listened to the TV piece? It says distributed through the tills.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='91219' dateline='1466551571'Anyone listened to the TV piece? It says distributed through the tills.
I didn't see the TV piece But if that is the case it will be a case of "Pot Luck" with NO guarantee of getting any particular $2 coin and the quality of the coins will probably be Crap due to all the handling associated with going through the tills and the checkout's grubby fingers :dash1:
This whole coloured $2 coin distribution has been a debacle since the first red poppy coin was distributed via the inept hands of the RSL that actually Glued the coins to a card , god Bless em :angel:
Unbloodybelievable :dash1::dash1::dash1:
Here's the Morning Show clip. The road to the Olympics and Paralympics (https://au.tv.yahoo.com/the-morning-show/video/watch/31885450/the-road-to-the-olympics-and-paralympics/#page1)
I just watched the tv clip and they will apparently be available from RAM :yahoo:
If they are being distributed via the tills at Woollworths, surely then the set of coins from the RAM should be at face value.
Having watched the video, it would appear as if there will be two folders, one folder for the Paraolympic coin and another folder for the five coin set.
Most probably anything above face value charge, will be for the packaging.
Wynyard Coins had the Paralympic coin in the card presale for $3. It's not there now.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='91238' dateline='1466564943'Wynyard Coins had the Paralympic coin in the card presale for $3. It's not there now.
Maybe the $3 was their price.
I think we can expect to be fleeced at a higher rate than that PP :angel:
I was able to get these off the film clip. It is only 4 of the coins. Sorry no blue one or the multi coloured coin.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='91219' dateline='1466551571'Anyone listened to the TV piece? It says distributed through the tills.
Could they have meant that you have to buy them at the till?
My wife works at Woolies, so I wonder if I will get discount on those. :)
Quote from: 'LooseChange' pid='91207' dateline='1466517859'Hi Jack, I hold the same sentiments towards privatisation as you do. I dont like it.. But im not seeing a connection between these coin releases and any potential sell off.
Now... if Auspost was sold off after a string of special addition stamps distributed through newsagents and supermarkets you would have my full attention.
Have mints been privatised anywhere before i wonder :)
It's how it all starts LC, you get business interested and say that it's costing the taxpayer and then flog it off as it's happened time and time again, and the second part of your question I thought straight away what happened to all the mints we use to have and the perth was the first to come to mind with all the rip off coins they produce and I know it can't be trusted but wiki says the sydney mint got shut down 1926 due to the melbourne and perth mints having better technology and more profitable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Mint and the melbourne mint is now private https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne_Mint
Now the perth mint is a funny set up from what I could find out, it was the third of the royal mints set up in oz and in 1970 the mint transferred from the british gov to the WA gov and then in 1987 a company called gold corporation was formed so I'm not sure if it's private or still owned by the WA gov but here are some links I was looking at but one interesting thing I found out was on the bottom of the wiki where it said "In October 2011, the Perth Mint created the world's largest, heaviest and most valuable gold coin, breaking the record previously held by the Royal Canadian Mint.[5] The coin is approximately 80 centimetres (31 in) in diameter and 12 centimetres (4.7 in) thick, and made of 1,012 kilograms (2,231 lb) of 99.99% pure gold.[6] It features a red kangaroo on the front of the coin and a portrait of Queen Elizabeth II on the reverse. It is legal tender in Australia with face value A$1 million, but at the time of minting it was valued at A$53.5 million.[7]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perth_Mint
http://www.perthmint.com.au/117-things.aspx
http://www.perthmint.com.au/about_us_the_perth_mint_group_profile.aspx
Hope someone find this useless trivia interesting :angel:
But I'm sure if you really looked into it you'd find more mints around the world that are now in private hands that use to be gov owned.
Oh and I'm not sure if the PO on Grafton side is private/franchised and not sure when it got sold off but I know the one in South is and we only have two and I wouldn't be surprised if they sell more PO's off as they can't make money for some strange reason or so they reckon and try blaming the lack of letters getting sent due to email but then neglect to mention the high profit on padded bags and what they make from those sales and all the other stuff you can now buy from the PO like mobiles phone, all different sorts of insurances, photo copiers and ink etc, soft toys and all sorts of things just to name a few.
Oh so they say on their website "Much of our network" is operated by private individuals acting as licensees, agents or franchisees.
http://auspost.com.au/about-us/operating-as-a-post-office.html
The Paralympic Coin looks really cool. It's a ring made of multi-coloured wave stripes. Red Green Blue and Yellow.
All up there's going to be over 30 different coloured $2 types this year (inc mint marks etc).
Does anyone have any more information regarding these coins?
The RAM has the coins listed as coming soon for these $2 coins.
Set of 5 $2 coins $15 order from 27th July
Australian Paralympic Team $2 coin $3 order from 22nd Ausgust
Links below.
https://eshop.ramint.gov.au/ORDER-FROM-27th-July-2016-Australian-Olympic-Team-Program/510928.aspx
https://eshop.ramint.gov.au/ORDER-FROM-22-August-2016-Australian-Paralympic-Team/510954.aspx
Thanks for the "Heads Up" Jen :good:
Love the look of the Para Olympic $2 coin.
I shall order direct from the mint me thinks for all the coins.
Thanks for the heads up jens coins.
Quote from:
All up there's going to be over 30 different coloured $2 types this year (inc mint marks etc).
[/quoteNo I don't think that is the case :idea:
Based on approval there could be. The previous currency determination listed the following items:
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Red "S" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Red "M" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Red "B" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Red "C" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Red "A" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Red "P" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Blue "S" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Blue "M" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Blue "B" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Blue "C" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Blue "A" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Blue "P" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Black "S" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Black "M" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Black "B" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Black "C" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Black "A" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Black "P" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Yellow "S" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Yellow "M" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Yellow "B" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Yellow "C" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Yellow "A" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Yellow "P" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Green "S" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Green "M" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Green "B" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Green "C" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Green "A" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Green "P" Counter stamp
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Paralympic Team
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Red
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Blue
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Black
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Yellow
$2 Aluminium and Bronze Coin – Australian Olympic Team Green
Then there is the new determination which has the new remembrance day coin as a circulation style.
Hey Planchetflaw, great work listing all the possibilities ... don't forget to follow the commandments ....
Do not be led into contention ......
But deliver us from subway ......
For thine determination is what's written .....
The plan, and the story .....
They won't mint forever .....
...... Amen
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/sub.jpg)
:laugh2:
You won't get these from Woolies. I wonder how many they will sell. 2016 $3000 1kg Gold Proof Coin - 2016 Australian Olympic Team (https://eshop.ramint.gov.au/Please-contact-the-RAM-Call-Centre-1300-652-020-2016-3000-1kg-Gold-Proof-Coin-2016-Australian-Olympic-Team/210533.aspx).
And these have sold out! 2016 $30 Fine Silver Proof Coin - 2016 Australian Olympic Team- 1kg fine silver (https://eshop.ramint.gov.au/SOLD-OUT-2016-30-Fine-Silver-Proof-Coin-2016-Australian-Olympic-Team/210531.aspx)
I nearly spilt my beer when I turned the page, browsing the latest Mint Issue, and saw those. After some consideration (about ½ second) decided they are out of my price range.
Crikey, talk about the $64,000 (gold ask price) question.
Fancy putting them all the way back at page 10 :laugh2:
Thanks for the laugh Jeff, very amusing. If I had the money I'd buy them for sure and then take them to the bank and cash them in. What an investment turning 80K into 3K or just over 2K into $30, now that would be a smart move wouldn't it :scratch_one-s_head:
What's the go with the two prices?? Are they charging us and extra 8K, is that US dollars or something :blink:
And if I was paying 80K for a coin I'd want a lower mintage than 5, I bet they sell like hot cakes :) Uni will have one for sure :mocking:
Yep AJ ...... after Jeff's post I reclaimed the Mint Issue from the porch bin and will take great pride in cutting out the picture for my delusions of grandeur shopping list. I must admit though that little Uni was mentioned several times when observing the Play School 50c (not that there will be a purchase under current economic conditions, but rather, ain't that cute :laugh2: )
:laugh2: I think we all have those lists Uni :winkextra: I hope the little tear away is well and not giving you too much trouble :angel:
I will put you down for two of each AJ.
She's an absolute fire cracker AJ .... for a kid in Kindergarten she can read and do math incredibly, not to mention say what she wants to express. (We won't mention her mastering Minecraft & GTA and the list goes on ... I guess that's what happens when your Brother is 20 and your Sister is 18).
:blink: thanks Jeff :laugh2:
:laugh2: I can imagine Uni, she sure is a funny kid and yes very bright. I'll have to try and get back down your way again soon before she forgets me :) I wonder what new names she'd have for me, what a crack up :yahoo:
I was expecting these to be carded singly and at $15 each as is the norm as of late.
$15 for the set of 5 x $2 coins and $3 for the single coin is rather reasonable I would think and far easier than scavenging at Wollies for them :good:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='92261' dateline='1468051223'I wonder what new names she'd have for me, what a crack up :yahoo:
I thought I'd test her out, called her into the office and asked her what Dad's mate with the coins name is ....... three seconds, her words ..... "The same as our cat that got lost ... AJ".
:laugh2: she's a bloody trick, what a little champion :friends: I'm surprised it wasn't tooty or what ever it was she was calling me :laugh2:
You have a good memory AJ .... Tooty is still here, I think that's why she was calling you that, since AJ was one of our cat's names why not call you a mixture of them all! Perhaps we could call you Moggy! :laugh2:
Yeah you know I'll answer to any thing :) It still makes me smile to think of her calling me tooty, tooty come push me, tooty come look at this :laugh2:
From the latest Woolies cattle dog
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/interest88/wool_zpsezyjajbs.jpg)
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/interest88/Image1-242_zpst962lpsl.jpg)
These are not available from RAM until the 27th, The eBay scalpers are going to have a field day with these :dash1:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='92822' dateline='1468848410'These are not available from RAM until the 27th, The eBay scalpers are going to have a field day with these :dash1:
See my above post, this cattle dog starts from Wednesday the 20th,
with just the blue coin available.
Quote from: 'interest' pid='92821' dateline='1468848119'From the latest Woolies cattle dog
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/interest88/wool_zpsezyjajbs.jpg)
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/interest88/Image1-242_zpst962lpsl.jpg)
:dodgy:
(http://i65.tinypic.com/rhn147.jpg)
someone was selling a complete bank bag of these blue ones on the facebook page tonight
reckons the service desk sold it to him/her at woolies
just checked - has a 'a few' bags! wowsa
it's started
Quote from: 'trout' pid='92822' dateline='1468848410'These are not available from RAM until the 27th, The eBay scalpers are going to have a field day with these :dash1:
Mate they have been all over FB for a few days and yes the fights have started already with the admin of one page saying it was all good that one of the members was doing a pre sale of 5o lots at $29 and a few people said it was a ripoff so they got banned.
oh
ok
i hadn't noticed until tonight but just on one page
the mint has opened up a pandora's box - i think it will end in a world of hurt for the woolies staff
in fact I think it's wrong all round
there is starting to be a little too much private sector and the RAM promotions going on fo rmy likeing
Coles should kick up a stink
then Aldi
then the IGA's
then ... aw you get my drift
QuoteMate they have been all over FB for a few days and yes the fights have started already with the admin of one page saying it was all good that one of the members was doing a pre sale of 5o lots at $29 and a few people said it was a ripoff so they got banned.
Mate that facebook mob appear to have very little integrity, I can just imagine the shenanigans that mob of dodgy buggers are up to :angel:
and they are all over ebay too!!
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/RARE-2016-Blue-2-Coin-Bag-RARE-/291821763227?hash=item43f1eeba9b:g:800AAOSwqfNXjMr6
I understand there ones will be $15 when released
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pre-Order-2016-2-Coloured-Coin-Collection-/272301470002?hash=item3f666eb132:g:VmIAAOSwRQlXgFF2
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='92831' dateline='1468851174'and they are all over ebay too!!
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/RARE-2016-Blue-2-Coin-Bag-RARE-/291821763227?hash=item43f1eeba9b:g:800AAOSwqfNXjMr6
I understand there ones will be $15 when released
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pre-Order-2016-2-Coloured-Coin-Collection-/272301470002?hash=item3f666eb132:g:VmIAAOSwRQlXgFF2
Yes the set of 5 coins will be $15 direct from RAM.
I think that RAM should step in and refuse to sell these sets to these people that are obviously ripping people off .
Yes I agree RG but the mint won't do anything because they just want their money and don't care about anything else :(
Trout you don't know the half of it mate, the fights and underhandedness is rife and accepted so I only buy off forum members I know like emu and only there to laugh at the idiots and what they get up to and I use to try and help newbies but they know it all and don't want anyone's help but that's to be expected :winkextra:
It's funny how on the few card sites I was on a few years ago everyone was pre ordering or selling cards that hadn't been released but because of things happening to orders and people not being able to provide and then trying to get money back to the buyers they ended up saying no more and there should be a law saying you can't sell something you don't have but then we couldn't do that as it would make too much sense :dash1:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='92830' dateline='1468850836'Mate that facebook mob appear to have very little integrity, I can just imagine the shenanigans that mob of dodgy buggers are up to :angel:
Every Facebook group I've been in I've either been thrown out of or quit
(well, except for the MNS group, but then I'm an admin there), and always for the same reason. The scumbags running them are using them to line their own pockets and they actively work to keep the victims ignorant. If you show up with the sort of attitude we all share here, its not going to end well.
Bugger 'em. Anybody stupid enough to drink their Kool-Aid deserves a one-way trip to heaven. ;)
QuoteIf you show up with the sort of attitude we all share here, its not going to end well.
I don't "DO" facebook But from what I have heard it is pretty much the same as the old "Newsgroups" which were all the Go in the 70's and 80's and were pretty much the precursor to the WWW that we have today.
If this is correct then why not just form your own group with your own admin crew and maybe some of these sheep being led to slaughter can be saved :ok:
Mrs. Robster was given 2 'Blueys' this morning in her change! (despite telling the operator she has 37 grandchildren). :angel:
I have to go into town today so I might nip into Wollies while I am there and see if they have any of the coins available here in the West :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='92842' dateline='1468876264'If this is correct then why not just form your own group with your own admin crew and maybe some of these sheep being led to slaughter can be saved :ok:
That's pretty much exactly what the MNS group is. The majority of members who attend meetings don't "do" Facebook, while there are remote people like AJ who will never get to a meeting.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1430907327204766/
I'm not a remote :cray: I'm a person..I think :laugh2:
OK, so I was at the first store at 7am. And I just got home after spitting the dummy at the last one. I'm on the phone lodging a complaint now actually.
NONE of the stores have a clue what they're doing. There is a multipage "instruction manual" that is either being applied haphazardly or not at all.
Outcomes:
BEST case: A very nice lady gave me a sealed bag.
WORST case (the one I'm complaining about): After asking and being told a flat "NO", I went in and purchased something. As I was heading to the checkout, I saw the guy I originally spoke to have a word with the supervisor, who then grabbed a clipboard, came to the checkout I was in line for, and made the girl read it. I paid, saw a bag of coins in the till, but she picked out old ones to give me. I asked for the new ones, and she refused. So I made a fuss, and demanded a refund. The original guy came over, and I pointed out that this was entirely his doing, and that they've just lost a customer, then stormed out.
Most stores were somewhere in between. Almost all demanded a purchase, which is company policy, but some were nicer than others, and I did strike one girl who obviously hadn't been clued in and gave me all the loose coins she had.
And now we gotta do this dance every Monday for the next five weeks. Grrrrr... :diablo:
As I told the complaints guy, this is a public relations disaster, and its not going to end well.
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='92862' dateline='1468895319'I'm not a remote :cray: I'm a person..I think :laugh2:
Yeah? So how come we all know which buttons to push then? :P
:laugh2: just lucky mate, and lucky I have a few :winkextra:
I just got back from town and after 3 lots of "Shopping" at Woolies I ended up with 10 pretty nocked about blue $2 coins and a bunch of shopping I really didn't need.
I did however score some really nice and big Banana Prawns so it looks like Stir Fry is on the menu for tonight , YUM :)
I think the best coins will come from the 5 coin carded set from the RAM Shop, because the checkout chicks are as rough as guts with the way the coins are being handled at Woolies :ok:
[attachment=3527]Got my shopping went up to the only counter open at 7.30 asked if they had any coins and the guy said yes but only a bag and i would have to do cash out if i wanted it , so i said yes please and thank you and got it:yahoo:
My main issue is there is no Woolworths in the town where I live. By the sounds of it that is not necessarily a worry anyway.
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='92871' dateline='1468909400'My main issue is there is no Woolworths in the town where I live. By the sounds of it that is not necessarily a worry anyway.
Send me your addy and I will send you a couple of the ones I have picked up so that you don't have to feed the eBay frenzy Mate :good::)
I won't be feeding the eBay frenzy. Been there, done that -nothing wrong with making a mistake as long as you learn from it.
No Woolworths where i live either had to drive over an hour to my nearest , at least i got to fill the car up with cheap petrol . Most of the coins i got will be going to people up my way , already down -$12 thanks to relatives lol . The quality is just as bad as last time bag marks everywhere so its not just the checkout chicks . Good on you Trout , i to have a few spare (5) if anybody misses out just pm me
I got to my local Woollies store and exchanded a roll of $2 coins for a bag of new coins.
I am happy.
The bag has been broken open for my two, six for a friend and another 4 for other people. The wife has snafued the rest and put them away.
I will be doing it again for the next four weeks.
I was not asked to buy any produce at all but the situation may change come next Monday. Only time will tell.
Quote from: 'Robster' pid='92845' dateline='1468882462'Mrs. Robster was given 2 'Blueys' this morning in her change! (despite telling the operator she has 37 grandchildren). :angel:
Love it!
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='92878' dateline='1468913660'I got to my local Woollies store and exchanded a roll of $2 coins for a bag of new coins.
I am happy.
The bag has been broken open for my two, six for a friend and another 4 for other people. The wife has snafued the rest and put them away.
I will be doing it again for the next four weeks.
I was not asked to buy any produce at all but the situation may change come next Monday. Only time will tell.
gawd
Quote from: 'AussieSilver' pid='92868' dateline='1468905218'Got my shopping went up to the only counter open at 7.30 asked if they had any coins and the guy said yes but only a bag and i would have to do cash out if i wanted it , so i said yes please and thank you and got it:yahoo:
gawd another bag
:swoon: Gee I was so annoyed a few minutes ago when they showed Kitty Chiller on the news putting her dirty paws all over the new coins and dropping them :shock: When will these people learn they are only devaluing the coins :@ And she said this is everyone's chance of getting their own little part of olympic history and there will be 12 million release but with a population of 24 million or so and some places not having a woolies and then some branches handing out bags to one person there will be a LOT of people that won't get their "piece of history" :dash1: Personally I'm over the coloured coins as all it is is hype and we still have a couple of years of the anzacs so there will be more to come and now they've set another standard for big business(not only the wealthy papers) to get coins made for everything from tragedies to sporting events :( The days of just collecting is quickly dwindling.
All is good Mate.
Most of the population see our coinage as simply a means of commerce and that is as it should be, That is precisely why coins are minted. :ok:
AJ you must understand two things about these coins;
1. They are a publicity stunt and collectors are not a consideration in that exercise.
2. It follows that condition of the coins is not relevant. Some very nice people man (woman? actually both) the Woolworths checkouts but they are not expected to know about what affects collectibility.
Similar exercises in recent years have involved RSL/Ex-Services clubs and newsagenst, neither of whom would be expected to generally know about handling coins. What next? service stations, real estate agents (at least we have some of those here), fast food outlets...the list could be very long. One thing you can be assured of is that only one company/brand/franchise will handle the coins.
As the late professor said "Why is it so?". Provide your own answer but, here is a clue to what I think 'm*n*y'.
Australia Post has killed stamp collecting (modern, Australian issues). Is the RAM trying to do the same thing for coins? It seems to be a business trend now to 'win friend and influence people' NOT.
Yes I understand all this and it pisses me off to no end that it's all about the money, even though it's all about money :scratch_one-s_head: Anyway when our sport is dead it doesn't really matter does it. Maybe I should just cash out now while the going is good and while we still actually use money :( I want a press so I can make my own :winkextra:
Most don't even see our coinage as commerce any more as they don't even use it or cards any more as it's swipe your mobile and off you toddle as happy as larry. I so sick of these publicity stunts and the antics of the mint and the like. I wouldn't mind the RSL and others doing things like they did as long as the money went to a good use like helping out returned that we hang out to dry but it doesn't, oh this is all so depressing :( I think I need a glass and a half of full cream dairy milk :winkextra:
This email came in from the store I complained about this morning:
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First let me apologized for your experience at woolworths moorabbin, we do take pride in serving our customers in best of our knowledge and capacity.
It's been brought into my attention, you were unable to acquire a commemorative coin today, It possibly was not been explained to you properly this morning, let me take this oppurtunity to go through the company policy and procedure of this commemorative coin release.
The $2 coins only will be available from supermarkets from 19th july in the lead up and through out the olympic games.
The coins are not directly available for purchase, unless you purchase the coin collection pack, which will be available from 29th of july and is limited to one pack per transaction.
A limited allocation of each Olympic $2 coin will be available from every woolworths supermarket in general circulation and you may come across one of them in your change.
We have mixed our commemorative coins with regular coins, to be circulated as change at random.
As a goodwill gesture, I am happy to offer you 5 x $2 commemorative coins for direct purchase to extend my apologies again with your experience at our store.Please come and introduce yourself to me at your earliest convenience.
No doubt the RAM is on the ball. Look at the email they sent me tonight. My emphasis -Fulvios letter seems to indicate this is a misleading promise.
From: noreply@ramint.gov.au
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 7:28 PM
To: ulansol@exemail.com.au
Subject: The Mint and Woolworths partnership [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Dear Mr Henningham
To celebrate Rio 2016 Olympic and Paralympic Games, the Royal Australian Mint and Woolworths has launched today a series of limited edition Australian Olympic and Paralympic Team $2 coins!
19 July 2016
The Mint and Woolworths partnership
One coin in your change each week
In the weeks leading up to the Rio 2016 Olympic Games, Woolworths, being an Olympic official Team Partner, will be releasing six commemorative coloured coins through their checkouts across the country. This week, starting from today, will be the blue Olympic ring coin! Read more here.
Don't worry if you miss out on getting the individual coins or you wish to secure all five coins - visit the eShop from 27 July to purchase the complete set. The Coloured Coin Collection will also be available from Woolworths from 27 July.
The Australian Paralympic Team Coin will be available from 22 August. You'll be able to find the folders from the Mint and Woolworths from this date also. Visit the eShop for more information.
Visit the eShop to see the full range of products from the 2016 Australian Olympic and Paralympic Team Coin Program.
Sorry, I misread that -it does not say what coin will be in your change. :laugh2:
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='92889' dateline='1468922435'No doubt the RAM is on the ball. Look at the email they sent me tonight. My emphasis -Fulvios letter seems to indicate this is a misleading promise.
Yeah, I got the same letter. We all did.
Look, I would have no problem with these coins being strictly rationed. One exchange per customer per visit.
IF they were available in bags to collectors, at face value.
But this 50% markup on the sets, and the fact they're not available until after the event, with no guarantees, even as to what coins they'll actually be? That's bullshit.
Imagine if you took their advice, laid back and didn't worry. Then you pay your $15 for $10 worth of coins, only to find they're C mintmarks. I'd be pissed off, as would we all.
This has been a gigantic cockup in my opinion, and its not going to achieve either happy customers or the results they hoped for.
Will dealers have these?
Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='92895' dateline='1468932346'Will dealers have these?
Looks like they do!
http://www.wynyardcoins.com.au/shop/new-releases/royal-australian-mint/
bet they will be selling the bags soon enough too
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='92897' dateline='1468934175'bet they will be selling the bags soon enough too
I wouldn't bet on that.
2,000,000 coins
1,000 coins per sack
2,000 sacks
961 stores
2.081165452653486 sacks per store, average
80 bags to last a week in the tills. Yeah, right!
Regardless of how RAM distributes any of the coloured $2 coins and this goes right back to the first Red Poppy coin, It always causes a Storm of controversy and anger amongst collectors.
I personally don't think that the RAM is the major cause of this and no matter how the new coins were to be distributed there will always be this problem.
I feel that the true culprit for all this controversy and anger is the sheer GREED of a minority of people that will always manage to "Rort" whatever system is contrived by RAM in their attempts to fairly distribute these new coins.
If distributed fairly and evenly a mintage of 2,000,000 coins is more than enough for every Australian collector to be able to have an example in his/her collection.
Just look at the Canberra florin for example, 2,000,000 minted and there wouldn't be too many collectors that Don't have at least one of these in their collection. :ok:
So the next time you feel upset and betrayed enough to pen a complaint about the distribution of these new coins, Send it to one of the Many eBayers that have rorted the system instead of sending it to RAM :good:
I think the eBay bottom feeders are a just a symptom of the problem. In this case the feeding frenzy starts at the Woolworth's checkouts.
Distribution country wide with a third party organisation could be brilliant if;
•clear rules are set (and publicised) for obtaining the coins,
•the distributing organisation is truly nationwide; including easy access to a very significant percentage (and geographical distribution) of the population,
•the staff handling the distribution are fully apprised of the rules,
•the scheme is not seen as helping one commercial entity with publicity* and
•a system is in place for those unable to obtain them at face value (or any other promotional price) from the nominated distributor to obtain them by mail order at the same price (plus postage at cost).
It wouldn't hurt either if politicians and public officials would butt out and not try to use such schemes to obtain publicity for themselves. Their generally misinformed comments just muddy the waters.
*Why not also offer the distribution to Cole, Aldi and IGA as a 'community service to promote our Olympic team only? How was Woolworths selected? I can't recall seeing any calls for tenders or expressions of interest. All the main supermarket players would reach much more of the population.
If, for example, a future scheme was distributed through primary schools it should be open to every primary school; not just government run schools or private schools or christian school or just catholic schools...you should get my gist.
To use a buzzword, the system needs to be 'transparent'.
Yes 2 million sounds like a lot of coins but they didn't say every collector will get them they said every australian would get their bit of history but how can every aussie get one when there's only 2 million coins but 24 million of us and I doubt every collector would have a parliament florin as most on the younger one's couldn't give a rats about pre decimal and only interested in decimal and this shows on FB where a lot of the young people are and what was the population in oz in 1927 (6.2 million or there abouts) so more people would have got coins back then than they would today wouldn't they. So in comparison shouldn't there be at least 8 million coins or 24 million so everyone got one but then you'd need 200 million coins because of these people getting a bag or bags :angel: The amount of people posting of FB alone that they'd got multiple bags was amazing and some said they've got the back one's that weren't suppose to be released yet so how does this happen :scratch_one-s_head:
2m coins/6.2m people
2m coins/24m people
Well I went down to my local Woolworths this morning. I asked at the Service desk what the process was. They said they couldn't give me any and I would get one in change at the checkout after buying something. I asked if there was a certain amount I had to purchase? They said no.
So I chuffed off with my trolly and got a few things that the missus had asked me to pick up. Went to the checkout and paid for the items. I asked if I could get one of the Olympic coins. "Sorry I don't have any" the checkout lady said. WTF I said in my head.
So took my receipt to the service desk and told the person there what had happened. He then swapped 2 coins for me after looking at my receipt. So I have two of them. He had a pile of them in a drawer. So maybe that might help others who can't get one at the checkout.
Cheers Mike
Another store, another procedure. Really not very good.
I bet Woolies staff haven't had any hassles obtaining some.
I came home from Woolies yesterday with one blue coin I swapped at the service desk when I asked what the procedure was. She had to check 3 drawers to even find a coin. Made some purchases at the self checkout, paid separately to get $2 coins change with no luck.
I was happy with one, but it's a far cry from the bags of coins people on Facebook seem to have obtained
I went to woolies this morning and was told I may get one in change.
Was told that from 27th a card with all 5 coins will be available from them. Also the Paraolympic coins will becoma avaiable as well.
I prefer to wait until then so I can get uncirculated coins.
Quote from: 'humpybong' pid='92914' dateline='1468982594'I went to woolies this morning and was told I may get one in change.
Was told that from 27th a card with all 5 coins will be available from them. Also the Paraolympic coins will becoma avaiable as well.
I prefer to wait until then so I can get uncirculated coins.
Yeah I heard that too. $15 for 5 coins on a card. Might be best to wait and get the 5 coins for $3 each?
The RAM has literally put these coloured $2 coins (all of them starting from the coronation purple) into the blackmarket category
and i think it sucks
there is a difference between encouraging interest in collecting to fostering the blackmarket racket of recent issue coinage
the RAM doesn't make any money from it either
if the distribution encourages staff to be engaging in behavior that could lead to their dismissal then for God's sake what has become of promoting the Paralympics? nothing - just promoting greed
i don't really believe all the - the checkout people gave them to me stories - there are far too many on the market to justify that. i suspect they are being moved either before they get to woolies or staff and moving them at the counter to friends etc as a lot of posters have multiples of the bags or by other means
the GST was supposed to stop the blackmarket rackets and all it did was push more cash into society with more 'cash only' deals
these coins are up there with silver and gold bullion and the 'cash only' deals
it's remarkable but my concern is that in all coins ex the ram rolls sold through dealerships, are sourced generally through what I might be inclined to consider illegal deals - i.e. how does an ordinary bloke get a hold of a whole slab of say, red coloured $2 coins then translate that to how do the very many blokes get a hold of these sealed security bags of coins? the banks aren't moving them all that much to the public but the security companies most certainly are
i am just so suss of the whole business now and the RAM has moved from being a supplier of australian coinage to a supplier of blackmarket operations and I think it is downright criminal
off to woolies to have to buy something to get my blue coin ... or going by PP's experience, maybe not
Too right, :i_agree: with everything she said above.
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='92917' dateline='1468983430'how does an ordinary bloke get a hold of a whole slab of say, red coloured $2 coins then translate that to how do the very many blokes get a hold of these sealed security bags of coins?
I agree with just about everything you said, but seeing as how I'm an ordinary bloke with both of the above, I beg to differ.
It can be done, but takes bloody hard work and lots of luck.
I chased coronation $2 for six months, eventually scoring 5 sacks of mixed coins. I spent $10,000, and I'm still sitting on all the standard designs, mostly through laziness to noodle them for errors.
Then, 9 months after release, I went into an ANZ to get two rolls of $2, got handed Coronations, went to the ATM to get a couple grand and bought almost a complete block (3 slabs plus a bit over half of the fourth one).
I also got handed a bag at woolies yesterday. As I reported, procedures are extremely uneven. Chances are I will not be able to get equal numbers of all coins.
Have I done anything illegal, immoral or fattening?
NO!Any of us given an opportunity will grab it with both hands. Where we differ is what we do next. I don't sell coins (except rarely to friends who ask). I refuse to use feeBay to either buy or sell, an even IF I was going to flog them off, I certainly wouldn't do it early, especially under an embargo or when doing so may affect processes and harm others. I would wait until a LONG time down the track. And reap the benefits too. I let a mate have a couple bags of poppies for $100 each. Now they're on ebay for a grand. But still I'm not selling. Because I'm not a trader, I'm a collector. :P
The stores do not have all six coins to give, BTW. They are being supplied weekly.
I went to Woolies yesterday and stopped at the smokes counter then I went through the regular checkout, I came away with 10 coins to my surprise.
All of them are bagmaked although it was a real "Buzz" to get newly released coins on the day of issue at face value for the first time in my life :yahoo:
I will be ordering the 5 coin sets of these from the RAM shop for the coins that are hopefully in better condition for my $2 album.
I will be keeping a couple of the coins I "Won" at Woolies in commemoration of this for me Landmark event and another 3 for my Granddaughters :)
The others are up for grabs for those members here that haven't got access to a Woolworths store and have missed out.
1 coin per member and first in best dressed, there are 5 of these available, just PM me your address and I will send you a coin :ok:
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='92905' dateline='1468957995'I think the eBay bottom feeders are a just a symptom of the problem.
Yep, and I just copied your post into an email to Ross I was writing about this. Brilliant insight, mate! :good:
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='92919' dateline='1468988844'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='92917' dateline='1468983430'how does an ordinary bloke get a hold of a whole slab of say, red coloured $2 coins then translate that to how do the very many blokes get a hold of these sealed security bags of coins?
I agree with just about everything you said, but seeing as how I'm an ordinary bloke with both of the above, I beg to differ.
It can be done, but takes bloody hard work and lots of luck.
I chased coronation $2 for six months, eventually scoring 5 sacks of mixed coins. I spent $10,000, and I'm still sitting on all the standard designs, mostly through laziness to noodle them for errors.
Then, 9 months after release, I went into an ANZ to get two rolls of $2, got handed Coronations, went to the ATM to get a couple grand and bought almost a complete block (3 slabs plus a bit over half of the fourth one).
I also got handed a bag at woolies yesterday. As I reported, procedures are extremely uneven. Chances are I will not be able to get equal numbers of all coins.
Have I done anything illegal, immoral or fattening? NO!
Any of us given an opportunity will grab it with both hands. Where we differ is what we do next. I don't sell coins (except rarely to friends who ask). I refuse to use feeBay to either buy or sell, an even IF I was going to flog them off, I certainly wouldn't do it early, especially under an embargo or when doing so may affect processes and harm others. I would wait until a LONG time down the track. And reap the benefits too. I let a mate have a couple bags of poppies for $100 each. Now they're on ebay for a grand. But still I'm not selling. Because I'm not a trader, I'm a collector. :P
The stores do not have all six coins to give, BTW. They are being supplied weekly.
Wow! well done - hard owrk paid off big time and by chance (although 10 grand is way out of my league)
But hey mate , you are anything but ordinary
but you are pointing out that some people get the stuff through the front door and that is the way it should be
I guess that I am suggesting that there is a lot of back door dodgey business and that erks me - that's all I guess i am just a whinger for due process but always been an idealist and believe in fairness to all not just a few
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='92929' dateline='1468994987'there is a lot of back door dodgey business and that erks me
It irks me too, believe me. I am NEVER going to forgive NAB for taking three and a half grand out of MY pocket and giftwrapping it for an Armaguard employee to cash in.
But then the other side of the coin is that these worthless slimeballs can only exist because we collectively let them. They're flogging these sets for $30 on eBay, and people are paying even though they can get them over the counter or by mail for $15. How stupid is that? :dodgy:
well I am HAPPY
the hubby went down to pick up our burgers for dinner and the lad at the wolverine service desk let him swap $2 coins for the bluey, he had to have two dollar coins though
2 for 2
so I am now the proud owner of a Bluey!!! YIPPIEE (plus the hubby got a kiss too :heart:)
and that is what it is all about
Voila ... my chicka dees
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/P7200424_-_Copy.JPG)
Megs looks a tad disheveled mind you
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/P7200419_-_Copy.JPG)
ps - i think if the RAM upped the anti on their distribution tenders and insisted on integrity of the handlers we would see a very different post market picture
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='92935' dateline='1469009477'ps - i think if the RAM upped the anti on their distribution tenders and insisted on integrity of the handlers we would see a very different post market picture
It wouldn't even be very hard to do. Just direct Armaguard to drop a sack at every branch. Like they did with Woolies. What? Not enough coins to go round? F%&$ING MAKE MORE THEN!!! I mean, they turned out 12 million of these total, plus the various 'premium' Granny-Bait versions, so clearly they have the production capacity to drop a sack in every branch in the country. Put a hard embargo date on it, publicise it, and let the collectors go wild. The news stories about lines around the block should be good advertising, just like they are for Apple every time they launch something. But then, Apple have more than a few smarts about this stuff.
This bullshit about putting one in every pocket is just that.. bullshit. 99.999% of the population don't give a damn, and never will. So look after the collectors you've got rather than pissing them off looking for new ones you'll never get.
I am sooo glad that I decided to not take part in any of these ridiculous RAM 'promotions'.
I will never buy or acquire any more of the coins that are distributed in this way. I don't even care that they are supposed to be 'circulation' issues. I don't want any of them.
I'm done!
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='92937' dateline='1469011912'I am sooo glad that I decided to not take part in any of these ridiculous RAM 'promotions'.
I will never buy or acquire any more of the coins that are distributed in this way. I don't even care that they are supposed to be 'circulation' issues. I don't want any of them.
I'm done!
I do empathise with your anger and frustration about all these $2 commemoratives and the way that they have been distributed since their inception Nancy.
However I don't think that RAM is the main culprit here, The "Bottom Feeders" that have found various ways around RAM's attempts to fairly distribute these coins have a lot to answer for here :ok:
It is a shame because these coins are rather nice and the detail found on them for such a small coin is quite impressive.
The 5 coin set that RAM will be selling at face value + $5 packaging and handling is a pretty fair option as they could have easily upped the ante on these and would still be able to sell them.
This to me shows that they are at least making an attempt at curtailing the secondary markets profiteering that always accompanies a release of these particular coins.
Coin collecting is a great hobby
Some people here take it wayyy to seriously
One of the 5 coins that I have spare has been claimed.
This leaves 4 left for collectors that are unable to get these from Woolies :ok:
I understand your frustration Nevol, I was really angry too
but i must admit I melted when the hubby excitedly handed me the one he acquired - he knew it would cheer me up (may have been more of the way the gift giver presented it) but it did cheer me up as I thought I was not going to get one , perhaps I focused too much on the amount that have not made it out to the public the way they were supposed to
perhaps trout is right and the RAM are trying to get the coins out in alternative ways but I do think that they could control the distribution a lot more, after all they are an arm of the government and the law makers
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='92953' dateline='1469019755'they are an arm of the government and the law makers
Not for much longer if these muppets in Canberra get their way. :(
Mind you, I can't wait for the day thy sell off the government itself... then at least we'll have an Annual General Meeting to attend, with free tea and bikkies, and the chance to dump the board and CEO. :dodgy:
i thought that was called an election although you do have to pay for your own sausage sandwich
maybe they should have distributed the blue coins through all of the school BBQ's - imagine the lines
lots of witnesses to make sure the coins were given out the right way
I vote for election booth coin distribution at ALL the schools
i might even write them a letter suggesting it
What about all us postal voters RG :angel::)
No matter how hard RAM tries to distribute these coins fairly the Pond Scum will always find a way around it.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='92958' dateline='1469021085'What about all us postal voters RG :angel::)
No matter how hard RAM tries to distribute these coins fairly the Pond Scum will always find a way around it.
ok I have a different opinion on the matter.
I think that the way Ram has engaged Woolworth to distribute the coins is a great solution to the problem that many have been bitching on this forum about for the last several issues.
The coins have been evenly distributed around the whole of Australia, the ability for individuals to control significant amounts has been stymied and the opportunity to expose many to coin collection that otherwise wouldn't have been interested is significant. Yes some people will obtain a few bags here and there and sell them for a profit but you wont have the vast majority of coins sitting in a security companies vault for 2 years as individuals working for said company trickle them out to artificially increase the price they get.
As for "pond scum", is this in reference to anyone who gets coins at face value to sell? is it wrong that fulvio was lucky to get coronations in bulk or poppies because he took the time to go looking for them? or for coin dealers to sell security rolls? What is an acceptable way to obtain them? Is it wrong to sell them if you have had the same chance as the next man to get them and get lucky?
These are issues raised and demonised in this thread and I find some of the comments in this thread offensive in their generalisation of resellers of rolls as I am sure the people making these comments them wouldn't throw these aspersions at every person engaging in this profit taking exercise.
Quote from: 'serial' pid='92959' dateline='1469022279'is it wrong that fulvio was lucky to get coronations in bulk or poppies because he took the time to go looking for them?
Just to take that a step further...
The branch where I got the poppies, which, BTW, I wasn't looking for (I just asked for a sack of $2 and didn't realise what I had until I got home) was at Brandon Park.
When Kimmy was in hospital near there, I went for a walk to the bank, and asked for mutes, only to be told someone had beaten me to them by 5 minutes. That someone was Kim's parents, who showed me the very nice haul of paper notes they scored. Which subsequently went on eBay, because that's how they roll.
Does that make them pond scum? I don't think so. Sure, I wish I'd got there first. Just like every race driver wishes he'd gotten to the finish line first. But them's the breaks. Deal with it.
Now, when the race is rigged, that's another matter. And the entire coin distribution system IS rigged, and has been since they stopped selling sacks direct in 2002, and since Armaguard directed its branches to stop exchanging sacks in 2003. The fact is, their employees have an unfair advantage, and they use it. We can't get any information whatsoever out of them, whereas up until then, we COULD talk to them. There were 11 pallets of outback dollars at Port Melbourne when I scored my two sacks (one of which I gave to a mate). That information didn't hurt anyone, but today they tell you its a security issue and they won't tell you. Same as the mint refused to tell me how many sacks are on a pallet, citing 'commercial in confidence'. When the load capacity of those pallets is freely available, and you can work it out for yourself.
We need a more open and accountable system, definitely. But this deal with Woolies is not it. It just adds another bunch of profiteers and petty bureaucrats on top of the Armaguard guys.
I thought serial made some good points but I assume pond scum and bottom feeders are greedy profiteers who don't actually collect coins. They probably don't read this forum unless it's to gain an advantage and unlikely they make any posts.
EDIT: ... who don't actually collect coins other than for as short a time as possible in order to on-sell them for maximum profit.
I am not talking about Mr or Mrs Joe average that stumbles across an unexpected windfall from a bank or wherever.
I am talking about individuals that use insider information and or their position to garner these coins and create an artificial shortage to boost their profits on a regular basis.
Also this practice of pre selling something at twice the value that it is easily available from RAM is just a scam as well.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='92971' dateline='1469037126'Also this practice of pre selling something at twice the value that it is easily available from RAM is just a scam as well.
I'm amazed they ever get any takers. Are people really that stupid? :dodgy:
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='92998' dateline='1469066044'Quote from: 'trout' pid='92971' dateline='1469037126'Also this practice of pre selling something at twice the value that it is easily available from RAM is just a scam as well.
I'm amazed they ever get any takers. Are people really that stupid? :dodgy:
yeh that has me stumped too
how can people be so stupid??
Quote from: 'serial' pid='93002' dateline='1469070030'how can people be so stupid??
What was it PT Barnum said? ;)
Anyway, just off to pick up my 5 coins, and hopefully swap 20 loose ones for a sealed bag if they'll let me.
Actual mintage is 2.5 million I'm told. Oh, and the AFP are going after at least one of the ebay 'pond scum'. YAY! :yahoo:
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='93006' dateline='1469073222'Quote from: 'serial' pid='93002' dateline='1469070030'how can people be so stupid??
What was it PT Barnum said? ;)
Anyway, just off to pick up my 5 coins, and hopefully swap 20 loose ones for a sealed bag if they'll let me.
Actual mintage is 2.5 million I'm told. Oh, and the AFP are going after at least one of the ebay 'pond scum'. YAY! :yahoo:
You can forget about Forest Hill giving a bag out. I might head down to Ringwood. Devon plaza said they had none yesterday? Good luck
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='92863' dateline='1468896126'And now we gotta do this dance every Monday for the next five weeks. Grrrrr... :diablo:
As I told the complaints guy, this is a public relations disaster, and its not going to end well.
Yeah I got 2 today but they also come with some free attitude aswell for making a purchases and asking for them. Grrrrr What a bi*#!!
Anyway. If anyone on this thread is actually interested in the coins here is some info... probably useless but info.
There are 32 sports over the 5 coins. Here is a list I put together. Images from the coin are very similar to the official Rio games page here. https://www.rio2016.com/en/sports
The Blue coin has 7 sports on it being
Syncronised Swimming
Tennis
Judo
Sailing
Football
Shooting
Weightlifting
The black has 6 sports
Athletics
Cycling
Swimming
Archery
Wrestling
Triathlon
The red has 7
Basketball
Equestrian
Rugby Sevens
Gymnastics
Canoe Slalom
Golf
Fencing ( I Think)
the yellow has 6
Table Tennis
Badminton
Canoe Sprint
Volleyball
Hockey
Water Polo
And the green has 6
Taekwondo
Rowing
Boxing
Pentathlon
Diving
Handball
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='93006' dateline='1469073222'Quote from: 'serial' pid='93002' dateline='1469070030'how can people be so stupid??
What was it PT Barnum said? ;)
Anyway, just off to pick up my 5 coins, and hopefully swap 20 loose ones for a sealed bag if they'll let me.
Actual mintage is 2.5 million I'm told. Oh, and the AFP are going after at least one of the ebay 'pond scum'. YAY! :yahoo:
I was under the impression that the 5 coin carded sets were not available until the 27th, Let us know how you fare Mate :) .
Which of the pond scum are we talking about that the AFP have an "interest" in ?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='93011' dateline='1469078062'I was under the impression that the 5 coin carded sets were not available until the 27th, Let us know how you fare Mate :) .
Which of the pond scum are we talking about that the AFP have an "interest" in ?
Presumably one of the Woolies or Armaguard employees who sold them last week.
OK, so I got my five loose coins, then added another 20 I already had, and asked for a sealed bag in exchange.
Three stores refused, citing new rules which arrived yesterday. I read them, but I reckon its a broad interpretation of what it says. So I've lodged a complaint, and will follow up with another complaint by email. And tomorrow will do the rounds of other stores and see if I can get satisfaction.
One good thing... at one of the stores which refused, the manager went off to make a phone call. Things were quiet, and I said to the girl "Well, how many can I have then? Just so this isn't a wasted trip?". And she gave me 15 more. So its a small victory. :)
Anyway, this whole deal is going to be totally wrecked by Monday when the next coins hit. I'm NOT going to be able to build a set of bags like I hoped, and even handfuls of grotty loose ones are going to be a stretch.
But over my dead body will I be buying $15 carded ones, which, BTW, are limit one, with purchase, no exceptions, for the exact same coins presumably in the same bagmarked condition.
The 5 coin cards are available from the RAM shop from next Wednesday so I am just going to get a couple of these so that I don't have to "Beg" for them at a store that I Hate shopping at :ok:
I would use at least $10 in petrol just to drive into town and get to Woolies so I would rather spend the $10 on postage to get my coin "Fix" from RAM direct.
There is NO way the coins in the cards will be as badly dinged up as the ones available from the till and I have absolutely NO problem paying a $1 premium to get a better coin :)
Picked up one today.
Not in too bad nick either.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10113/2016_Australia_2_Dollars_-_Blue_Olympic_Ring_-_Obverse.JPG)(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10113/2016_Australia_2_Dollars_-_Blue_Olympic_Ring.jpg)
Steve :)
Some people are pretty bitter, with all the other problems with the world, I would have thought you could let harmless commerce be.
Quote from: 'Enlilninlil' pid='93062' dateline='1469155430'Some people are pretty bitter, with all the other problems with the world, I would have thought you could let harmless commerce be.
'Harmless Commerce'???? There's no such thing.
The problem with commerce is it puts profit above all else. In fact, it gives zero weight to anything BUT profit, or at least things which affect the bottom line.
Not that everyone working for a business is going to be one of the 'sheeple', but enough are that it makes it damned near impossible to deal with them, and they're always the one in charge it seems. It doesn't take much to win people over, which is the strange thing. You would think that retailers especially would be sensitive to this. It costs ten times more to win a new customer than to keep an existing one, and when you consider that a determined aggrieved former client will go out of his or her way to tell everyone about their bad experience, that 'network effect' can multiply the damage a hundredfold. This is how Woolies got in the poo in the first place, then every move they've made in the past few years has just compounded it.
Anyway, today's hunt went a little better than I expected. I set off on the way to the dentist via a detour through the NE suburbs. Swapped the 25 loose coins for a bag (YAY!), picked up enough loose coins to build another bag, and ended up at Eastland, where they'd only give me 2 coins. Oh well.
So while I was there I thought I'd pop over to Heathmont where the nice lady whose name I couldn't recall from CBA Brandon Park had moved to. Walked in, stood in line for ages, got to the counter, saw the name tag, and said "Are you Kerry from Brandon Park?" "Yes" "Oh, cool.. remember me?" "You're the copper coin man! I've got some $5 coins, do you want them?" "Sure, I'll take anything". So we're chatting about how she likes the new branch and everything, and I mention the hunt. "Oh! My mum got one, but she won't let me have it!" "Would you like one?" At which point she grinned from ear to ear, and she swapped me a green one she'd just gotten. She was over the moon, hopping around excitedly and showing everyone in the branch. I felt like Santa Claus!
Then I recalled there was some cheap ham at Wantirna, which was on my way to the dentist. I parked the car, spotted a Bendigo Bank, and popped in to grab a couple of their lovely calico sacks. And we got chatting, as you do, and I mentioned Kerry and the coin. "Oh, we're both coin collectors too, but we haven't seen these ones yet!" "Would you like a couple?". And the whole Santa thing played out again, this time with an orange swap. They even showed the manager, who grumped that collecting was silly, but meh. And then they offered me a big sack of copper, and we exchanged email addresses.
Follow that up with a few more woolies on the way to the dentist, and I managed to swap another 2 bags.
So three bags, four $5 coins, about $6 of copper, and a numb mouth and tingly nose. Oh, and drowned getting back to the car (it had been clear and sunny when I went in). Not a bad day at all, I reckon. :)
Nicely done Santa :) :good:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='93067' dateline='1469165429'Nicely done Santa :) :good:
Heh, says the original Santa. I don't hold a candle to you mate. :wavemulticolor:
the mint have just posted this on Facebook
"as copied from mint page"
Don't pay more than Official Issue Price!
It has come to our attention that certain people are selling the Royal Australian Mint's soon-to-be-released 2016 $2 Australian Olympic Team BU Set on the net at way above the Official Issue Price. We would like to reassure all collectors that this set will be available in less than a week, from July 27, and that it will be available at Downies at the affordable Official Issue Price of just $15. Don't pay more than Official Issue Price!
Quote from: 'interest' pid='93073' dateline='1469172821'the mint have just posted this on Facebook
"as copied from mint page"
Don't pay more than Official Issue Price!
It has come to our attention that certain people are selling the Royal Australian Mint's soon-to-be-released 2016 $2 Australian Olympic Team BU Set on the net at way above the Official Issue Price. We would like to reassure all collectors that this set will be available in less than a week, from July 27, and that it will be available at Downies at the affordable Official Issue Price of just $15. Don't pay more than Official Issue Price!
That was good of them.
Wonder if they will take the message down when it sells out?
Quote from: 'serial' pid='93074' dateline='1469174785'Quote from: 'interest' pid='93073' dateline='1469172821'the mint have just posted this on Facebook
"as copied from mint page"
Don't pay more than Official Issue Price!
It has come to our attention that certain people are selling the Royal Australian Mint's soon-to-be-released 2016 $2 Australian Olympic Team BU Set on the net at way above the Official Issue Price. We would like to reassure all collectors that this set will be available in less than a week, from July 27, and that it will be available at Downies at the affordable Official Issue Price of just $15. Don't pay more than Official Issue Price!
BUGGER BUGGER BUGGER
I should have checked myself, received that in an email from a mate... BUT DOWNIES PUT IT UP & NOT THE MINT!!!
which makes more sense.
That was good of them.
Wonder if they will take the message down when it sells out?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2016-Olympic-2-Coin-Blue-and-Black-in-25-Coins-Bag-2-Bags-1-black-1-blue-/252470845143
Black coins to be released next Tuesday but already on eBay!
Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='93080' dateline='1469180243'http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2016-Olympic-2-Coin-Blue-and-Black-in-25-Coins-Bag-2-Bags-1-black-1-blue-/252470845143
Black coins to be released next Tuesday but already on eBay!
That is an absolute effing joke. The pond scum that do this are highest order pond scum.
Mike
Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='93080' dateline='1469180243'Black coins to be released next Tuesday but already on eBay!
I just added that to the discussion I've been having with Ross. This crap has to stop. Hopefully the AFP can nail all these pricks who break the embargoes.
Grrrrr.... And with an open ended mintage, who knows how many the final number will be? 3 million, 5? 10? (yeah, I know, 10 won't happen, but 4 or 5 is realistic.)
The "Fun" has just begun Mate.
There are 4 more different coins to be released in this series yet :dodgy:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='93091' dateline='1469187187'4 more
Five.
Posting this because he's too shy to self-promote... :angel:
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/122054030996
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/z/3N4AAOSwtnpXkVd4/$_1.JPG)
Pretty cool I reckon. :)
Quote from: 'brismike' pid='93081' dateline='1469180812'Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='93080' dateline='1469180243'http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2016-Olympic-2-Coin-Blue-and-Black-in-25-Coins-Bag-2-Bags-1-black-1-blue-/252470845143
Black coins to be released next Tuesday but already on eBay!
That is an absolute effing joke. The pond scum that do this are highest order pond scum.
Mike
Corruption at it's worst again mate :idea::dodgy:
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='93086' dateline='1469186443'Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='93080' dateline='1469180243'Black coins to be released next Tuesday but already on eBay!
I just added that to the discussion I've been having with Ross. This crap has to stop. Hopefully the AFP can nail all these pricks who break the embargoes.
Grrrrr.... And with an open ended mintage, who knows how many the final number will be? 3 million, 5? 10? (yeah, I know, 10 won't happen, but 4 or 5 is realistic.)
I hope it is 50 million of each, That would put paid to these sort of shady goings on in a heartbeat .
Quote from: 'trout' pid='93104' dateline='1469215848'I hope it is 50 million of each, That would put paid to these sort of shady goings on in a heartbeat .
You think so? Quite the opposite I'd say. Get in quick before the market tanks.
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='93086' dateline='1469186443'Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='93080' dateline='1469180243'Black coins to be released next Tuesday but already on eBay!
I just added that to the discussion I've been having with Ross. This crap has to stop. Hopefully the AFP can nail all these pricks who break the embargoes.
Grrrrr.... And with an open ended mintage, who knows how many the final number will be? 3 million, 5? 10? (yeah, I know, 10 won't happen, but 4 or 5 is realistic.)
I just don't see what the AFP might do.
Wouldn't an embargo be a contract agreement (assuming it's actually in a contract somewhere)?
Why would police get involved with a breach of contract issue?
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='93112' dateline='1469233963'Why would police get involved with a breach of contract issue?
They got involved because the mint asked them to. They will investigate and determine if any laws were broken, and if they have a case, they'll press charges. But even if they don't, they will identify the wrongdoers, and if they had unfair access by virtue of being employees, well, you can bet they won't be for long.
This is really no different than a mint employee who smuggles out mint sports. Even if they've replaced them with other coins to balance the books, so its technically not theft, its still wrong, and has consequences.
I don't know for certain as I have never worked in the industry But wouldn't these people that work for the security companies responsible for the distribution of our coinage have to agree to and sign a legally binding document that would cover the codes of conduct for this particular industry??
So if a case cannot be brought against these Miscreants for breaking Federal or State laws then Maybe a civil case could hold water for Breach of Contract ?
In Melbourne
Picked up 8 blueies from the local woolies today
Multiple trips to the checkout chick who had two bags in the till. 2 for 2
So now I have 10 but will leave a couple for the grandies
Had my to be expected allergic reaction to Melbourne been here 2 days and sick as for 2 days . Pity but the doc reckons it is real. Drives me nuts
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='93121' dateline='1469251914'Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='93112' dateline='1469233963'Why would police get involved with a breach of contract issue?
This is really no different than a mint employee who smuggles out mint sports. Even if they've replaced them with other coins to balance the books, so its technically not theft, its still wrong, and has consequences.
I would expect that creating "mint sport" is likely a crime in its own right.
Needing to ascertain "were any laws broken" for breaking an embargo seems to be starting from pretty shaky ground.
Don't get me wrong - people doing the wrong thing should be stopped, I just don't know what could be done.
If I was running a company with a product and wanted a specific release date, I would write up a contract for the distributors to agree to. If someone broke that agreement I am not sure how much I could actually do about it, other than saying "No more products for you". Maybe that is what needs to happen?
How about this seller selling the carded coins in a box:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/25-X-2016-Australian-Olympic-Team-Colored-Sets-5-Of-Each-Colored-5-Coins-Sets-/262542049541?hash=item3d20b9c105:g:HBsAAOSw0fhXlGpC
and a sack of coins also:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2016-OLYMPIC-TEAM-2-BLUE-COLOR-FULLY-SEALED-Mint-Big-BAG-Very-Scare-/262542079926?#description
Quote from: 'jens coins' pid='93182' dateline='1469361094'How about this seller selling the carded coins in a box:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/25-X-2016-Australian-Olympic-Team-Colored-Sets-5-Of-Each-Colored-5-Coins-Sets-/262542049541?hash=item3d20b9c105:g:HBsAAOSw0fhXlGpC
and a sack of coins also:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2016-OLYMPIC-TEAM-2-BLUE-COLOR-FULLY-SEALED-Mint-Big-BAG-Very-Scare-/262542079926?#description
Also seems to have quite an extensive user ID history as well:dodgy:
The introduction of a Commemorative $2 in 2012 with the Poppy coin both plain and coloured and the different coins issued since has no doubt added new collectors to the hobby which is a good thing.
However these coins have also been the cause of a pronounced increase in the many scams and unethical behaviour that has surrounded these issues since their inception and this is a very Bad thing for the hobby in the long run.
In my opinion these coloured coins are pretty much a two edged sword for coin collecting in Australia.
On one hand they are responsible for creating a renewed interest in numismatics.
On the other hand they have opened up a huge can of Worms with an ever increasing number of people with little or No integrity that are taking advantage of these newer collectors.
I think that at the end of the day these $2 coins may do more harm than good to the hobby in the long term.
Quote from: 'jens coins' pid='93182' dateline='1469361094'How about this seller selling the carded coins in a box:
This is bullshit. I passed those along to Ross, since I was already grumpy about the refusal to swap loose coins for bags.
The seller has the box of carded coins and a full bag of blue coins up on ebay.
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='93188' dateline='1469375619'grumpy about the refusal to swap loose coins for bags.
On one hand there are complaints that one person can get too many.
Then there are rules to limit someone getting lots of coins and you get complaints about the limits.
I don't think it is possible to keep everyone happy.
Some people would want a limit of one per person ever, others would want a free for all and to collect (and/or sell) sacks.
What limits (or not) should be applied?
I think with no limits there would be more people profiteering.
They would round up all they could get thier hands on (which would as a consequence restrict supply to other people).
I think for fair and equitable distribution, limits are good.
Doing a little maths...
It looks like there will be about 2,000,000 of each color made.
That is $4,000,000
If there is $2000 per sack, then 2000 sacks would be made of each colour.
Where there is money to be made, people will break laws (let alone an instruction from a boss). What proportion of coins/bags/sacks would end up on ebay with good controls on place to try to stop that happening?
Short of putting a security guard in charge of distribution of each sack, I don't think you would stop it. Even then it would not be guaranteed. Who would be willing to pay for a guard for each sack?
If 99.5% (which is a very high proportion) of sacks don't end up on ebay, that would still be 10 full sacks out of 2000.
Edit: updated numbers to reflect mintage of 2,000,000
Well it all begins again today with the release of the black coin . Just picked up a dozen from woolies , nice design just like the blue pity about the scratches on most of them but the cards come out on the 27th so lets hope they are of better quality
Seems the folders are out at some stores (FaceBook) and come in four designs ?
Hi,
regarding the earlier discussion on the mintage of the colored Olympic $2 coins and reading the media releases on the RAM web site I interpreted this as there being 2 million of each color.
Am I missing something here or am I correct in thinking it will be 2 Million of each?
Copied below from the related RAMINT web site
19/07/2016
Media Release
From today, one of 12 million Rio 2016 commemorative $2 coins to be released over the next month could make it from the Woolworths checkout to your pocket. The coins will be released exclusively through Woolworths and customers could find one in their change at the checkout.
The collection includes five Australian Olympic coins, each designed to showcase one of the Olympic Rings, and one Australian Paralympic coin, Australia's first ever multi-coloured $2 coin.
Thanks mkonst - I missed that info on mintage.
I will update my example calculation in my last post.
Quote from: 'AussieSilver' pid='93197' dateline='1469409046'Well it all begins again today with the release of the black coin . Just picked up a dozen from woolies , nice design just like the blue pity about the scratches on most of them but the cards come out on the 27th so lets hope they are of better quality
Seems the folders are out at some stores (FaceBook) and come in four designs ?
Thanks for the reminder.
I just went to Woolworths and got some!
Quote from: 'Ozcoins' pid='93196' dateline='1469400918'On one hand there are complaints that one person can get too many.
The complaints are when someone is obviously breaking embargoes and getting entire sacks and/or boxes early. Because that's a clear breach of trust. The people doing this are not customers, they're employees.
Instead of designing a system to deal with these, they've imposed conditions which make it
impossibleharder for genuine collectors but leaves the gate wide open for the scumbags.
QuoteIt looks like there will be about 2,000,000 of each color made.
2,500,000 = $5 million, in sacks of 500 = $1,000. 5,000 sacks.
Today's effort produced 1 bag plus 17 loose coins. Half the stores demanded purchases for a random CHANCE of a coin. I've put those stores on my
'Do not shop here EVER again' list. I also picked up three bags of blues as swaps for loose coins. From stores which were hoarding them earlier in the week. I can see that it will be impossible to obtain equal numbers of coins across the six weeks.
The sets are being minted ON TOP OF the 2.5 million. It seems stores are being allocated as many boxes as they are sacks. So a small store with 4 sacks has 4 boxes. Assuming this is even across the board, that would be 5,000 boxes of 25, so 125,000. Double it to allow for dealers and direct sales, which gives a minimum total of 2.75 million. If they really are unlimited, they could go over the 3 million mark fairly easily I'd say.
Got 2 black $2 in Melbourne this morning. The daughter says to me mum I got this blue one for you but it looks weird
Got 2 black $2 in Melbourne this morning. The daughter says to me mum I got this blue one for you but it looks weird
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='93224' dateline='1469441112'I got this blue one for you but it looks weird
Yeah, they go black when you forget to turn the stove off. Eventually they catch fire and burn the house down. ;)
(Mum left some chicken pieces on the stove for 5 hours last night. Not pretty. :dodgy:)
Pick up & delivery available pls call Ash 0422526853 central/west Sydney suburbs...
is anybody going to be buying the 5 different covers of the same 5 coins?
I just picked up 4 black 1 blue and a 2014 Anzac dollar :yahoo::)
Quote from: 'interest' pid='93247' dateline='1469513078'is anybody going to be buying the 5 different covers of the same 5 coins?
Doubtful.
Just managed to swap one bag, and picked up 2 blacks, 2 blues and a 2015 MoR.
Also, every bank at chaddy now gets Armaguard rolls, so that's the end of UNC bags. BankWest did have a big bag of foreign coins, but it turns out they donate them to charity. Which is a nice gesture. Who owns them again?
Quote from: 'interest' pid='93247' dateline='1469513078'is anybody going to be buying the 5 different covers of the same 5 coins?
Definitely not. It is just fancy packaging to me. I carefully cut it open and put the coins in flips. I stash the packaging away in a shoebox. Not sure why because when i shuffle of this motal coil i'm sure someone will just dump the lot in the garbage.
Cheers Mike
Yey! I got 3 black ones and 1 blue one from Woolies today. Showed it off to the other kids at work. I asked for a whole bag if they could spare it, the checkout girl smile and said no.
I think $15 for the folder with all 5 coins and $3 for the multicolour one is a good price. For god sake only $1 more than face. If you miss out with Woolies you only need to pay a bit more to get it. You can also get it from a dealer to save postage.
Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='93252' dateline='1469537567'You can also get it from a dealer to save postage.
Call me vindictive, but I would only buy from a dealer.
The $1 or so margin isn't going to make them rich, but denying Woolies the sale will be deeply satisfying after all this grief. :diablo:
The 5 coin sets are now available from RAM, I have placed my order :)
Just ordered mine , you can get as many as you need on the same order for $10 postage which is a good move , wonder what happened ? last year it was $10 postage per bag of 5 coins .
I have just returned from securing my two packaged sets of five coins. I then went to another store to get the missing sets.
Be warned, the five folders I have, have different pictures of sport on the front.
I have a swimming cover and the other is Volley Ball. there is the women's high jump, cycling and last but not least, kayaking. In all, there are FIVE different sports represented on the five coin pack covers. Might have to be selective if one needs a full set of packiboxis. (I will post pictures of the covers when I have scanned them).
Oh, one set per person only from my local Woolworths. According to the staff that I saw this morning, If I went back tomorrow, they would not sell me another set. However I went to a second Woollies and got the sets I didn't have plus one sealed bag of 25 Black $2 coins.
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='93260' dateline='1469575888'According to the staff that I saw this morning, If I went back tomorrow, they would not sell me another set.
See why we need to boycott Woolies? Show them that this was a bad idea, poorly implemented.
These sets are unlimited mintage, so they have no reason to ration them.
Mrs Robster was made to walk in and out 3 times to purchase three sets!
Quote from: 'Robster' pid='93263' dateline='1469584800'Mrs Robster was made to walk in and out 3 times to purchase three sets!
Add that store to the #BoycottWoolies list. :)
I totally agree with woolies rationing the individual coins But the 5 coin sets can be ordered from RAM in multiples.
I imagine that if you wanted a thousand of these sets you could order that many from the RAM shop if you wished and with that many in one order you would even get the shipping for free :)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='93265' dateline='1469585753'I totally agree with woolies rationing the individual coins But the 5 coin sets can be ordered from RAM in multiples.
I imagine that if you wanted a thousand of these sets you could order that many from the RAM shop if you wished and with that many in one order you would even get the shipping for free :)
Precisely.
Woolies are rationing in order to drive up sales. I am completely opposed to a company hijacking MY enjoyment of my hobby for commercial gain, so even though I'm a shareholder, I'll be retaliating by doing what I can to drive DOWN their sales.
If we don't do this, and this whole excercise is deemed a success, we can expect the same thing that happened with self-serve petrol, road tolls and now supermarket self-serve checkouts. This will become the norm, and before long we'll have to jump through these hoops for ALL our coins.
Especially with the installation of roll dispensers in refurbished branches, which means the end of new coins from the bank.
Here are the five covers for the five coin sets:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10120/2016-07-27_12-01-23_0129.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10120/2016-07-27_12-02-24_0130.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10120/2016-07-27_11-59-15_0127.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10120/2016-07-27_11-58-18_0126.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10120/2016-07-27_09-20-14_0126.jpg)
Um, dats all folks!
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='93266' dateline='1469587610'Woolies are rationing in order to drive up sales. I am completely opposed to a company hijacking MY enjoyment of my hobby for commercial gain, so even though I'm a shareholder, I'll be retaliating by doing what I can to drive DOWN their sales.
May be Woolies pay RAM as part of some sponsorship deal and help to defray the overall cost of a set? :)
If the RAMINT was selling the 5 coin sets with their dealer network, the pack would have been $50 not $15.
I see nothing wrong with what Wooloworths is doing.
Everyone whinges about "not getting enough" and when a company tries to spread the coins, people still whinge.
Sounds like an AESOP's fable or two!
I visited about ten Woolworths stores today and have all I need.
Even rejected a bag of the blue!
What was it the early US President said,"You can fool/please some of the people some...." etc etc
I have just called my local stores and all six have sold out of the 5 coin sets.
I am sure that Woolies will regard this exercise as an outstanding success, and they will probably not understand what a mess it has really been!
Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='93269' dateline='1469600411'If the RAMINT was selling the 5 coin sets with their dealer network, the pack would have been $50 not $15.
They are. And they're $15, with about $1 for the dealer in that. Some stock arrived today, with more next week.
Anyway, today's haul...
I found a lot more supportive people on the afternoon shift. Managed to swap a total of 4 bags. Got a box, with one set of 5 folders plus 5 more mixed. I better get moving tomorrow to complete the box just in case they don't get stock next week (they should, this is unlimited after all).
Plus 3x very nice paper $100's, a AA98 $100, UNC AM13 $50 and 1021g of 2¢ ($5.28 according to my calculator) for $3. :)
I have to admit that it is Fun to pick these coins up from Woolies But the coins themselves are pretty "ratty".
I am hoping that the coins in the carded sets are better.
Are the coloured coins being distributed at Woolworths petrol stations too, or only from stores?
Got 2 sets from woolies today......but had to purchase one at a time.
May try again tomorrow.
Only supermarkets!
Not at Woolworths subsidiaries.
e.g. Masters, BWS, BIG W , Dan Murphy's etc
If you look at the Woolworths website, there are woolworths branded petrol stations listed on the site.
Since they are actually branded "Woolworths" I thought they might also get the coins?
Quote from: 'humpybong' pid='93274' dateline='1469615365'Got 2 sets from woolies today......but had to purchase one at a time.
May try again tomorrow.
Same here,had to return and buy a second one.Probably easier to just order multiples from the Mint Shop for the sake of $10 postage.
As these sets have the obverse obscured it will be hard to find those "Choice" coins as the obverse is normally where all the detracting marks are found.
Looks like my new pair of scissors are going to get a workout :angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='93283' dateline='1469626202'As these sets have the obverse obscured it will be hard to find those "Choice" coins as the obverse is normally where all the detracting marks are found.
Looks like my new pair of scissors are going to get a workout :angel:
The cover pops open, not need to cut anything.
Quote from: 'Enlilninlil' pid='93307' dateline='1469670651'The cover pops open, not need to cut anything.
Yeah, which makes buying them from disreputable ebayers or anywhere else you can't examine the coins extremely risky.
For sure there will be substitutions going on. :dodgy:
This post will clarify the issue with the 5 coin / albums.
On page 12 of the current Woolworths catalogue (Vic) is an ad for the coloured coins.
Read the fine print last line where it states:
"^Limit 1 per transaction.
Referring to ^ in the description.
I have an image of the catalogue but have forgotten how to upload!
So my question is are the coins in the 5 coin albums of better quality than the loose coins , anyone had a look yet ?
Quote from: 'AussieSilver' pid='93312' dateline='1469677181'So my question is are the coins in the 5 coin albums of better quality than the loose coins , anyone had a look yet ?
I just had a look at one of my sets and they are NOT perfect.
Pretty much the same as you would expect from a mint baggie with the usual bagging on the coins.
They are also a Bugger to get out of the plastic "Push In" on the card.
I still think they are good value for $15 as it saves all that stuffing around at Woolies and the fuel costs involved :good:
Quote from: 'Enlilninlil' pid='93307' dateline='1469670651'The cover pops open, not need to cut anything.
How? Mine's glued down on 3 sides. I don't like packaging that can't see both sides.
Got mine from Wynyard Coins just now. Got the one with kayaking - which cover is the rarest?
Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='93314' dateline='1469677754'Quote from: 'Enlilninlil' pid='93307' dateline='1469670651'The cover pops open, not need to cut anything.
How? Mine's glued down on 3 sides. I don't like packaging that can't see both sides.
Got mine from Wynyard Coins just now. Got the one with kayaking - which cover is the rarest?
Probably the one I just ruined having a squiz at :angel:
The cover is in 2 pieces, just separate the top from the bottom clear plastic :ok:
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='93309' dateline='1469671153'Quote from: 'Enlilninlil' pid='93307' dateline='1469670651'The cover pops open, not need to cut anything.
Yeah, which makes buying them from disreputable ebayers or anywhere else you can't examine the coins extremely risky.
For sure there will be substitutions going on. :dodgy:
Every coin from RAM is able to be substituted as the capsules can be opened on all the cards/sets, I recently received a wedding set with substituted coins :dash1:
The Only sets that are tamper proof are the old style Proof sets in the big "Slab"
I am surprised to hear that these Olympic coins are of inferior quality.
Why?
All the 2016 $2 Olympic coins are UNCIRCULATED coins.
Basically - circulated NCLT!
Now all we have to do is wait for the "error" sets with all the same colour coin or the like to show up on eBay :angel::dodgy:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='93319' dateline='1469687184'Now all we have to do is wait for the "error" sets with all the same colour coin or the like to show up on eBay :angel::dodgy:
Dont give them any ideas mate...
Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='93269' dateline='1469600411'If the RAMINT was selling the 5 coin sets with their dealer network, the pack would have been $50 not $15.
I see nothing wrong with what Wooloworths is doing.
Everyone whinges about "not getting enough" and when a company tries to spread the coins, people still whinge.
Sounds like an AESOP's fable or two!
I visited about ten Woolworths stores today and have all I need.
Even rejected a bag of the blue!
What was it the early US President said,"You can fool/please some of the people some...." etc etc
if you have a cheap bag of the blues I'd get it from you
no woolies that i have been to is handing them out yet both you and Goldie can get them
i was even in melbourne but no bags were being sold
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='93226' dateline='1469441907'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='93224' dateline='1469441112'I got this blue one for you but it looks weird
Yeah, they go black when you forget to turn the stove off. Eventually they catch fire and burn the house down. ;)
(Mum left some chicken pieces on the stove for 5 hours last night. Not pretty. :dodgy:)
you still living at home Fulvio?
we have a son who is maybe, getting just a bit too old to be still living at home (he is out the back in the granny flat)
i will miss him when he formally moves out as he is good company when i am home a lot
since he got engaged a little while ago, the fiance's family seem to have adopted him and we don't see him as much
mama has even loaned him her car indefinitely
her father even gave him a job in his restaurant
so he is sort of half gone
but still comes home to do his washing and say g'day
almost empty nest but not quite
Quote from: 'trout' pid='93313' dateline='1469677603'Quote from: 'AussieSilver' pid='93312' dateline='1469677181'So my question is are the coins in the 5 coin albums of better quality than the loose coins , anyone had a look yet ?
I just had a look at one of my sets and they are NOT perfect.
I'll go along with that. They're probably not as bad, and will lack fingerprints, but they're a long way short of the mark. Pretty crap for a 50% premium.
I had a pretty good day, though I did cover about 300km. It started with an email from one of my friendly tellers that I gave blue coins to that she had a big pile of paper notes. $240 of $1, $2 and the early $10 in pretty reasonable nick. Then I got 3 sets of sets, and swapped for 2 bags of blacks, plus a few blues. A lot of stores at the end of the day had run out of sets, and the last store gave me a hard time about loose coins, refusing to let go of ANY. "We're not giving out loose coins anymore, you have to buy a $15 set", limit 1 of course.
So naturally I argued. Had a very lengthy discussion with the customer service manager, explained everything about what I was doing, and why, and how every store made it up as they went along. She was lovely, and rang the manager at home, who basically said "I really don't care, as long as we don't get ridiculous about it". So we settled on 10 being reasonable. And that was when she discovered there were no blacks left at all, but plenty of blues. She did go to the office, and came back with a small handful out of the petty cash tin, which I was suitably appreciative of.
We chatted some more, and I came away confident that she both 'got it' AND cared. The girl I'd spoken to at first was, umm, a bit of a stickler for the rules, shall we say, and didn't understand that pissing off a customer never ends well.
A long, hard and expensive day, but I'm quite happy with it overall. :)
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='93330' dateline='1469702304'you still living at home Fulvio?
Again, not still.
What can I say? I have terrible taste in women, and have had three failed long-term relationships. Each one inflicted huge pain, emotional AND financial. Now that I'm a pensioner, options are extremely limited, and anyway, mum and dad are in their 90's and an extra body around the place is welcome (well, mostly, anyway). It kinda works out for everyone, mostly.
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='93332' dateline='1469703494'I'll go along with that. They're probably not as bad, and will lack fingerprints, but they're a long way short of the mark. Pretty crap for a 50% premium.
I had a pretty good day, though I did cover about 300km. It started with an email from one of my friendly tellers that I gave blue coins to that she had a big pile of paper notes. $240 of $1, $2 and the early $10 in pretty reasonable nick. Then I got 3 sets of sets, and swapped for 2 bags of blacks, plus a few blues. A lot of stores at the end of the day had run out of sets, and the last store gave me a hard time about loose coins, refusing to let go of ANY. "We're not giving out loose coins anymore, you have to buy a $15 set", limit 1 of course.
So naturally I argued. Had a very lengthy discussion with the customer service manager, explained everything about what I was doing, and why, and how every store made it up as they went along. She was lovely, and rang the manager at home, who basically said "I really don't care, as long as we don't get ridiculous about it". So we settled on 10 being reasonable. And that was when she discovered there were no blacks left at all, but plenty of blues. She did go to the office, and came back with a small handful out of the petty cash tin, which I was suitably appreciative of.
We chatted some more, and I came away confident that she both 'got it' AND cared. The girl I'd spoken to at first was, umm, a bit of a stickler for the rules, shall we say, and didn't understand that pissing off a customer never ends well.
To be fair - 50% is only just $1 here. I don't quite have the same level of passion as others here for these. Happy to pay the 50% premium (still just $1) to save time. The gas for 300km would have cost more than that?
The poor girl probably just doesn't know what to do. :)
Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='93342' dateline='1469709012'To be fair - 50% is only just $1 here.
Ah, but that's the joy of margins.. a dollar here, a dollar there, next thing you know you have a million of them. Lets look at it another way...
The coins are identical to what's in the bags. No special handling or anything. So the only difference is a bit of paper and plastic, for which they charge $5. How would you feel paying an extra $5 for the box your corn flakes come in? Or any other product for that matter? Keep in mind the coin production cost is already factored into the seigniorage.
And yes, the petrol is a bummer, but to be fair, I was achieving other stuff along the way. Caught up with people I hadn't seen in years, picked up copper and paper (including Phillips/Randall CoA $1 and $2), did some shopping (9-cent Kiwi Fruits, anyone?), and even scored handfulls of lollies from Bank of Melbourne. ;)
QuoteThe poor girl probably just doesn't know what to do. :)
Yeah, we came to that conclusion in the end. ;)
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='93343' dateline='1469710422'How would you feel paying an extra $5 for the box your corn flakes come in? Or any other product for that matter?
Fulvio you are, it's built into the overall cost.
So far I have picked up about a dozen of each of the blue and black coins and hopefully will be able to do the same with the other colours.
I am getting a couple of gift packs ready for a couple of Mates and it will be nice to put a couple of each of the loose coins in with the 5 coin set for them :good:
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='93343' dateline='1469710422'The coins are identical to what's in the bags. No special handling or anything. So the only difference is a bit of paper and plastic, for which they charge $5. How would you feel paying an extra $5 for the box your corn flakes come in? Or any other product for that matter? Keep in mind the coin production cost is already factored into the seigniorage.
And yes, the petrol is a bummer, but to be fair, I was achieving other stuff along the way. Caught up with people I hadn't seen in years, picked up copper and paper (including Phillips/Randall CoA $1 and $2), did some shopping (9-cent Kiwi Fruits, anyone?), and even scored handfulls of lollies from Bank of Melbourne. ;)
I guess you are paying the $5 for convenience. Not having to go to woolies. Not having to deal with their staff. Adding up all the time wasted you are probably working for less than minimum wage. :P
I hope you play Pokemon. You could have caught loads of them travelling around so much. :D
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='93332' dateline='1469703494'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='93330' dateline='1469702304'you still living at home Fulvio?
Again, not still.
What can I say? I have terrible taste in women, and have had three failed long-term relationships. Each one inflicted huge pain, emotional AND financial. Now that I'm a pensioner, options are extremely limited, and anyway, mum and dad are in their 90's and an extra body around the place is welcome (well, mostly, anyway). It kinda works out for everyone, mostly.
we sort of think - if he stays much longer then we may as well keep him here so he can keep an eye out on us as well - yes when folks are over 90 an extra body and mind is a tremendous help .
our son was also a post break-up/return to the nest a few years ago - comfy out the back!!
it is about giving everyone space and privacy
helps make it work out better - different when your children are adults
ps if the stove becomes a risk then just take out the fuse when you go out
Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='93353' dateline='1469713029'I guess you are paying the $5 for convenience. Not having to go to woolies. Not having to deal with their staff. Adding up all the time wasted you are probably working for less than minimum wage. :P
Well, that might have been right, IF it was actually convenient. But its not.
Lets look at the costs.
Woolies - $15, limit 1, travel, can pick and choose cover and quality
Mint - $15, no limit, postage, can't choose, possible damage
Dealer - $15, no limit, travel/postage, can choose? Dealer makes small profit.
In all cases, the government gets its $8 or so seigniorage. In all cases the mint also gets its $4 or so profit on the packaging. That's a combined $12 profit on a $15 sale. Not too shabby. And if you buy from the mint, there's an additional profit on the postage, plus Australia Post also makes a healthy profit, which also goes into the government coffers.
Sure, travel vs postage depends on circumstance, but since you're already in the store shopping and/or picking up loose coins you can't get from the mint, I think we can pretty much discount that completely. Besides, it depends where you are. I have 5 stores within a short bike ride from here. 8 if I want a workout. ;) And some of these packs have been pretty rough, straight out of the box. Being able to knock back bad ones is a big plus.
So I would rank preferences as Dealer, Woolies, Mint in that order. Dealer because they need our support (well, some do anyway). Woolies because even though the limit is a pain, you get to handle the product before buying. And the mint only if you're ordering something else at the same time.
QuoteI hope you play Pokemon.
Nup. Demands iOS 8+ and mobile data, neither of which I have on my iPod. And anyway, probably not my thing.
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='93354' dateline='1469713387'ps if the stove becomes a risk then just take out the fuse when you go out
Gas. :nx::angel:
Where I live there is but 1 Woolworths store and the next one would be in Perth or Carnarvon which is about 500k either way, So my options are severely limited as to choosing which woollies to use.
Luckily for me they are not that stingy with handing out the coins and a couple of trips a week has netted me a few of the loose coins which is probably more than I need anyway.
I have ordered a few sets from the RAM shop because quite frankly it is by far the easiest option for me and a with few clicks of my mouse I can get what I want.
I will try to get the rest of the different coloured loose coins over the next 3 weeks, Not because I need them But because it is a novelty for me to be able to get these coins at face value for a change.
Despite all the moaning and grizzling about the way woollies is handling this of which I have absolutely NO complaints, It is still a far better option for me, because getting these from a bank the way these are normally distributed is pretty much impossible where I live.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='93371' dateline='1469743735'getting these from a bank the way these are normally distributed is pretty much impossible where I live.
Which reminds me...
At one of the banks yesterday, the teller was telling me that they got a sack of coloured coins late last year.
2013 CORONATION $2!!!!!!
I mean, WTF? Nearly three years sitting at the back of the Armaguard depot???? Seriously??? :dodgy:
Did they give you any of them ??
Quote from: 'trout' pid='93379' dateline='1469748119'Did they give you any of them ??
What, 8 months later?
No, they were just handed out like any other coins.
Distributing through woolworths has been a better method for me compared to the Newsagent coins... were one agent told me he was sold out and i could buy some off him at the end of the promotion "maybe".
I agree the initial Woolworths distribution is a good/better idea (probably not for the Woolworths staff however). Lots of people are exposed to the coins over a wide distribution range, they are harder to hoard than sacks delivered to banks/security companies and they filter into the banks/security companies through normal circulation. A large number of people have the opportunity to get the coins, if not buy them relatively cheaply for $15 ($3 each). It's a pretty good model to me.
Have sold out inside a few days at Woolies stores in southern Sydney.
Woolworths staff told me yesterday that they only got a couple of boxes and no idea if they are getting any more.
Pedro
Fulvio - from your post #205.
"Woolies - $15, limit 1, travel, can pick and choose cover and quality"
There iS NOT a "LIMIT 1" at Woolworths.
It is "Limit I per transaction".
Detailed in post #189.
Here is my scan of the catalogue.
(http://freespace.com.au/imagehosting/images/5368938856522199035.jpg) (http://freespace.com.au/imagehosting/)
View catalogue here:
https://www.woolworths.com.au/Shop/SpecialsGroups/catalogue#view=catalogue2&saleId=13434&areaName=VIC&page=13
Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='93400' dateline='1469782559'There iS NOT a "LIMIT 1" at Woolworths.
It is "Limit I per transaction".
In theory, yeah. In practice, if you try for a second, almost all stores will refuse. I even had two stores refuse to exchange sets I'd already bought elsewhere, and I believe it was Goldy who said his local store won't supply him a second one under any circumstances, even on a different day?
Anyway, its all moot for now. Stocks are depleted everywhere, so unless they get more next week, that's the end of that. 'Unlimited' supply cleaned out in 3 days nationwide.
Piss-poor effort all round IMO. #BoycottWoolies :diablo:
Quote from: 'AussieSilver' pid='93312' dateline='1469677181'So my question is are the coins in the 5 coin albums of better quality than the loose coins , anyone had a look yet ?
I had a look at a few, and they are the same grade as the loose coins, all bloody damaged. None will be MS.
Do they keep getting re-issued more sets as they sell out ?
Maybe we need to vent to Consumer Affairs there's no way any of us would accept any other new product from a shop that was scratched and dented but for some reason we have accepted that because the mint has a new way of collecting its coins that its ok . Just looking at some uncirculated coins from 1981 that came out of a red folder and there's not a dent or scratch on them . All i wanted was a couple of sets of the olympic coins in nice condition but looks like its not happening. Releases of the coloured $2 coins from 2013 onwards have all suffered from bad handling and bag marks so i guess it was no surprise with the Olympic coins .
as a shareholder Fulvio
you should get a discount
i remember Coles shareholders used to get discounts but they did stop that a few years ago
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='93454' dateline='1469849644'as a shareholder Fulvio
you should get a discount
i remember Coles shareholders used to get discounts but they did stop that a few years ago
Woolworths shareholders don't get a discount, just employees.
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='93454' dateline='1469849644'Coles shareholders used to get discounts but they did stop that a few years ago
Yup. And when they announced it, I went up and down the registers at Coles and K-Mart, giving everyone a little xmas prezzie. Made them happy, and made me happy to know it was my little protest.
I think that this thread has degraded into something that its original purpose was not meant to be.
It is no longer fun to read and some people need to take a step back and breath a bit. There are (as much as it is hard to believe) more important things in the world other than who has the most coins and how big of a tantrum one can throw until they get them and then brag about how many they have been able to obtain.
Some actions displayed and discussed here are quite below average to be honest.
No one really cares whose email contact or phone number anyone has. It doesn't seem to make a difference either way in the end other than listening to the endless dribble being poured out over the threads.
I managed to get one of these today - I hadn't bothered trying to get any from change or whatever but I bought the latest CAB and was given $11.50 in change when the cashier asked me if I had an extra $1 coin - I said I did and gave it to him and he gave me one of these $2 coins in my change.
I'm hearing you Cougar.
I think these coloured $2 coins trigger off something in the brains of some people Similar to the effects that a Gold rush in the early days did :angel: :laugh2:
All is good Mate, The dust will settle eventually and everyone will the get back to normal again :)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='93472' dateline='1469871650'I'm hearing you Cougar.
I think these coloured $2 coins trigger off something in the brains of some people Similar to the effects that a Gold rush in the early days did :angel: :laugh2:
All is good Mate, The dust will settle eventually and everyone will the get back to normal again :)
I fear normal Trout..... But yes you are right, the switch has been flipped in some and a little too far in others. Fortunately most members remain steady and continue the spirit of the forum.
These sets are now marked as "Temporarily Unavailable" on the RAM shop website .
I like Cougar's post a lot. Let's keep this thread polite and interesting from now on please.
the daughter picked up two blacks (single coins not bags!!) for us in Melbourne yesterday
yippie
What flavour is next weeks coin??
Red tomorrow.
RED
Weekly on a Monday:
Yellow
followed by Green
with the last coin being multi- coloured.
https://www.ramint.gov.au/publications/woolworths-shoppers-win-gold-exclusive-olympic-coin-launch
someone is already selling a bag of reds (listed last night) on the facebook page
think that one is norti
Quote from: 'markn' pid='93496' dateline='1469917467'Let's keep this thread polite and interesting from now on please.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yA98MujNeM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yA98MujNeM)
(Oops, did I just post that :laugh2:)
Sorry Unicorn, here's one bloke that can't stand the stuff, not even the smell of it.
However, I am looking forward to this coming week for the RED ones.
Daughter arrives home from two weeks in Brisbane and drops off two folders x 5 coins, high jumper and volley ball, one bag blue coins and some loose black and blue ones.
I went to woollies today and picked up 1 black, 3 red and a 5 coin set.
I gave the 5 coin set to my mate that owns the general store where I pick my mail up.
It made his day as he is a coin nut as well :)
I went to Woolies today bought a roast pork and got 2 black hoping for new reds.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='93588' dateline='1470028241'I went to Woolies today bought a roast pork and got 2 black hoping for new reds.
we want pics ..... of the pork with crackle apple sauce and veges :laugh2::biggrin:
Quote from: 'duggee27' pid='93594' dateline='1470035418'Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='93588' dateline='1470028241'I went to Woolies today bought a roast pork and got 2 black hoping for new reds.
we want pics ..... of the pork with crackle apple sauce and veges :laugh2::biggrin:
ok -totally off topic warning.............pork belly was on special.........slow cooked for 3 hours...........in ginger beer for a treat..........the crackle mostly worked............made gravy with the sweet sticky pan juices and drizzled it over mashed spuds..........with broccolini and corn to make it seem like a balanced healthy meal..........sorry no pics it's already devoured!!
Mrs Trout came home with another 2 blacks and 2 reds.
After reading PP post I am now STARVING, Time to get creative in the kitchen I think :)
Two red coins for me today.
I got five!
If you go with a $50 note and ask for some, they go sorry can't give you that much. Then you ask for 5 they see you've backed down and seem quite happy to give you all 5 +change. :D
I got four red coins today, but it was like pulling teeth, had to go thru check out twice, really?
I managed to pick up two lots of 4 reds at 2 different Woolies stores today. If you are nice about how you ask for them there dosen't seem to be a problem getting them. Had to buy a bottle of coke and a pack of Iced Vo-Vos to get them though.
Mike
Quote from: 'interest' pid='93606' dateline='1470045721'I got four red coins today, but it was like pulling teeth, had to go thru check out twice, really?
I didn't buy anything at all. All I did was top up my Opal card. :D
So far I have just exchanged a $20 note for 10 coins at the service desk each week.
I go there late just before closing so they are not busy. Had no dramas so far. :)
Today's lot were by far the worst bag marked. I had trouble finding one that was half decent.
Quote from: 'brismike' pid='93608' dateline='1470047459'I managed to pick up two lots of 4 reds at 2 different Woolies stores today. If you are nice about how you ask for them there dosen't seem to be a problem getting them. Had to buy a bottle of coke and a pack of Iced Vo-Vos to get them though.
Mike
you gotta be a brissy guy buying that stuff! bring back memories for me!!
Well this week just gone (week 3 red coins) has been not as good as the first two weeks. They are still giving out blue and black ones and the red ones seem to be harder to get.
See how we go with yellow next week.
Mike
Quote from: 'brismike' pid='93774' dateline='1470452924'Well this week just gone (week 3 red coins) has been not as good as the first two weeks. They are still giving out blue and black ones and the red ones seem to be harder to get.
See how we go with yellow next week.
Mike
As each week goes by more and more people become aware of them and it gets harder and harder. Especially now the Olympics has officially started. The ANZAC coins with News Ltd was the same, I rocked up to any newsagent at lunch time and they still have them. By the middle of week two you really have to be there before 9 am to have any chance.
Quote from: 'brismike' pid='93774' dateline='1470452924'They are still giving out blue and black ones and the red ones seem to be harder to get.
Some stores only have blue.
Anyway, I will probably be looking to swap for bags of blacks, since I'm short 3 bags, so keep that in mind.
4 red (singles not bags!) when the hubby picked up milk at woolies tonight
I am getting a nice page of these coloured coins
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='93790' dateline='1470487958'4 red (singles not bags!) when the hubby picked up milk at woolies tonight
Just spoke to a store about a pile of cash I think I left on the counter, and during the conversation the girl told me their boss has directed them to get rid of all the coins cos of the new ones next week. She's been handing out reds by the bag.
Explains the blues still around too. I think a lot of stores went overboard with the hoarding, and ended up with unused coins.
r u selling?
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='93819' dateline='1470552740'r u selling?
Me? Wasn't planning to. I don't sell, although I have been known to make exceptions for friends in need from time to time.
Oh, and the woolies where I lost the cash is going to check their surveillance footage and see what happened. Won't get me my money back, but at least it will stop me stressing about not remembering. :dodgy:
You must be gutted McDuck! (I know I would be).
Hope that it wasn't too much!
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='93824' dateline='1470554950'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='93819' dateline='1470552740'r u selling?
Me? Wasn't planning to. I don't sell, although I have been known to make exceptions for friends in need from time to time.
Oh, and the woolies where I lost the cash is going to check their surveillance footage and see what happened. Won't get me my money back, but at least it will stop me stressing about not remembering. :dodgy:
i hope it wasn't too much money mate
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='93825' dateline='1470555664'Hope that it wasn't too much!
I think it was in the range of $70-100. No biggie, but I'm really upset about not being able to remember any of it. Got a big shock when I went to pay for the next lot and the wallet was empty.
QuoteOh, and the woolies where I lost the cash is going to check their surveillance footage and see what happened. Won't get me my money back, but at least it will stop me stressing about not remembering.
Maybe one of the woollies people has found it and has put it in the till.
When they check the tills at the end of the day it should show up.
You never know your luck Mate :ok:
No worries Mate.
On the bright side though , I doubt that you will have any problems getting a baggie of the yellow coins from that store tomorrow :):good:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='93836' dateline='1470561365'I doubt that you will have any problems getting a baggie of the yellow coins from that store tomorrow :):good:
Especially since the girl told me the boss said to get rid of them all. They've been handing out bags.
Deleted By The Author. Problem taken care of.
All was good at Woolies today swapped 10 oldies for 10 newies without any problems they look orange to me not yellow . RAM folders arrived as well might just be able to make one good set out of the folders i received , had a couple of double ups so i opened them to see obverse not as bad as Woolies but most of them had small dings .
I picked up 8 yellow and 2 blacks :)
Wife and I were able to get nine yellow coins today.
Now to try and get a bag of them.
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='93877' dateline='1470642119'Now to try and get a bag of them.
Easiest way is to carry the loose coins with you, and when you've got 25 (or possibly nearly 25, depending on the store), ask to swap for a bag. Some will give you grief, but most are fine, once you explain about fingerprints destroying coins.
Oh, and if they give you grief about having to buy something, just grab a bunch of something worth less than a dollar (Soda Water, fruit, chocky, whatever), and put them through one per transaction. That's perfectly acceptable no matter what policies they're applying, and most will wake up that its quicker and easier to just give you what you wanted in the first place. :angel:
I realize that Fulvio.
The coins were got on several separate transactions of one banana each transaction and by handing over a five dollar note.
At least I would get one coloured coin most times two.
I have ordered a few of the 5 coin sets from the RAM shop and they will be the source of (Hopefully) the better coins to add to my $2 album.
The ones I have been getting from the tills are certainly NOT pristine But they are a real novelty for Me as it is highly unusual to get newly released coins where I live.
With the 8 coins that I picked up today I have more than enough for my needs so I won't bother getting any more until the new colour is available.
I may be missing something But as they are not Canberra Florins I can't see the point of having hundreds of each of the different coloured $2 coins :angel::)
just sent the hubby down to get bread mix and toot paper (**giggle)
hopefully he will come home with 4 yellows (coins that is)
we'll see
i keep telling him to ask for bags
i hate shopping so he is my one and only reconnaissance guy and anyways, i enjoy them so much more when he gets them, as he gets a real kick out of being so clever
although the daughter did send out a request to her mothers' group - no success so far
bet they pocketed the coloured coins for their little babies who totally need them ha ha
i was outside the woolies smokes counter that other day gas-bagging to our old landlord (while hubby bought food inside the store) and then i remembered and went over and asked the girl nicely - i got 5 coloured coins (4 reds and a black) - the hubby and I share them fairly evenly , sort of , well maybe ...... :yahoo:
Quotethe hubby and I share them fairly evenly , sort of , well maybe ......
He probably hasn't got the heart to tell you about those "Extra" coins in his back pocket when he returns from the shop :angel:
Just got back from my late night visit to Woolies. Picked up 13 yellow and 3 red. No purchase, just asked nicely at the service and smiled. :)
While standing there waiting for the lady to count out the coins, I'm checking out the see through donation box. Saw a nice 2001 ACT CoF 20c,
but couldn't get my hands on it. :(
These Yellow coins are very Orange, & if you look at them under a glass you will see tiny Red dots on top of the Yellow, in fact if you look at any of the coloured coins you will see this same screen (dots).
Quote from: 'trout' pid='93889' dateline='1470657010'I can't see the point of having hundreds of each of the different coloured $2 coins
There are several points, actually.
1. Relatively low mintage. Most will be totally destroyed, so in coming years they'll be hard to come by. Of the 100,000 bags of each, 99% will be gone.
2. You're not going to get a decent coin out of a pack. They're just as bad as the bagged ones. So it comes down to probability. MNore examples equals greater chance of a good one.
3. Errors are a possibility. Imagine if we had sacks of UNC mules to pick and choose from, instead of all of them being stuffed.
4. You never know what the future will bring. The day I accidentally scored my sack of poppies (while I was unsuccessfully seeking coronations), I never dreamed the prices they'd now be fetching. Not that I'm about to dump any, but its still nice to know there's a house deposit just sitting there if the need arises.
As I've always said, you can't go wrong getting anything at face value. Sure, this is a lot harder work that previous issues, but then again, they're not going to sit at the back of an Armaguard depot for three years before being distributed.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='93893' dateline='1470659536'Quotethe hubby and I share them fairly evenly , sort of , well maybe ......
He probably hasn't got the heart to tell you about those "Extra" coins in his back pocket when he returns from the shop :angel:
ok - hadn't thought of that
so each time he comes home from woolies I'll have to take his pants off and do a body search
i doubt if i will get complaints
:)
Now now ladies, children are reading some of this. Hehehe!
ha ha Goldie
he has just headed off to woolies again for me
I have pulled the pin on grocery shopping at the big supermarkets as we are gearing up for my retirement plan
i spend way too much at woolies & coles so I send him down now and he does a very good job of buying ONLY what is on the shopping list (amazing!!)
no plastic containers, other miscellaneous house hold items, no pot plants, no cheap faceclothes, no new socks & jocks, no pick-ups for the grandies, no new lippie that gets worn twice a year but the colour is to die for
just whats on the list .... very boring but excellent economy
they didn't have any last night (again) so the late night at our woolies is a no goer
we are both on LSL so it has become a bit of fun collecting a few coloured coins while we recover from this terrible flu and take it a bit easy for the moment
I soo want to buy a bag but am resisting (ebay facebook etc)
score
5 yellows
and no need for the body search ............ :(
but no pot plants no plastic containers ........... bigger :(
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='93930' dateline='1470707222'do a body search
Don't forget the cavity search. That was how that woman was sneaking stuff out of the mint, remember? :diablo:
I don't thing RG would like the coins if she found them as a result of a cavity search :laugh2:
So Come on Mate spill the beans.
What did you score so far this week of the yellow coins?? :)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='94010' dateline='1470753711'What did you score so far this week of the yellow coins?? :)
After all the grief in this thread earlier, I better not say. :/
well i have a sad story to tell
i went to woolies today while the hubby had a haircut and bought some groceries and a new jumpsuit for the grandie and 2 new bath mats
then at the checkout the chick has a bag of reds - I hand over $50 as she is happy to give them to me, YIPPIE is my reaction, then she's not sure if the bag has 25 coins in it - so she rips it open there and then then counts each coin then hands over the coins and torn bag
i ask if she has another bag as i'd rather a bag (of coins that haven't just been woman handled by the check out chick) no doesn't have one
so i now have 25 red coins in a torn bag
i gave the coins a quick wipe over with a soft cloth but after that I think i'd rather just spend them
then i go over to the mint and no they don't have any of the swimmer sets for the Olympic coins - they reckon that woolies got all of them
that is the story of my flaming life - always the bridesmaid and never the bride
Whoops my 13yo and I slipped and fell into Woolworths on the way home from an appointment this afternoon. After careful additions of spending and some mismatched items, potatoes, shampoo and gravy powder her and I went through the self checkout and completely FAILED in Olympic glory. Of the 4 $2 coins in change NONE were commemoratives. And it was busy so I didn't go whinge at the service counter. FAIL FAIL FAIL :dodgy:
What I am hearing from those stories is that you people have a Woolies in the vicinity of where you live and/or work; which is more than I can say.
I have been to Woolworths, since the release of these coins, as much as I ever do -zilch.
Only 'supermarket' here is a small IGA.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='94085' dateline='1470817493'FAIL FAIL FAIL :dodgy:
I had a fun day too...
You can imagine my uncle's death put me in a wonderful frame of mind to start off with.
First stop is the store where I got a little grief yesterday over swapping a couple bags of 10¢ for mint bags. They just didn't get the concept of swapping like for like.
So this morning I walk in and they ignore me. 5 minutes later the supervisor comes over and says the manager's coming to talk to me. He reads me the riot act and says they're not a bank and I'm not going to get anything anymore. Then follows an hour-long conversation where I educate him as to what numismatics is, why condition is important and what level of commitment I have to this. Eventually he lets me have five coins, but makes it clear they won't be doing any swaps.
So I broke my routine and went to a known friendly store. My favourite girl in the whole retail universe greets me with a broad smile, and says, before I even get to the counter, "I'm really sorry, but we don't have any bags left today at all". And proceeds to hand over every coin she's got at the service desk, then suggests I check BWS. "HUH? BWS don't have any, several stores have told me that!" "Well, ours does. Go check." Enter my new-found favourite guy in the whole retail universe. He hands over a bag, and lets me have ten coins on top of that, while telling me that he's read the manifesto from head office, and everybody else has it wrong, and he has no qualms about keeping customers happy.
Then, because I'm way off my daily routine, I go to a store that turned nasty on me 2 weeks ago. I innocently ask for coins, get told that they're not going to give me any, and the supervisor comes up behind me and says "I told you last time, we're not going to give you any coins". Yeah, right, like I'm going to remember after several hundred woolies people... so I point out that they can't actually refuse if I buy something, right? She agrees, I walk over, grab five bottles of soda water, bring them back, and buy them ONE at a time, getting two coins from each transaction. So instead of just letting me have 5 or 2 or even 1 coin, they've just given me 10, and I very nearly then returned the bottles for a refund. I didn't, but I might just keep that one up my sleeve for the next one that pisses me off. ;)
Oh, and as for those 10¢ bags, I decided to carefully slit them open and noodle them before returning the surplus to the bank I got them from (I promised to not run them dry). Scored a 2011 in good nick, a 1999 with a big tail cud, and a 2006 with a massive cud at the top of the 0. Plus about 20 minor cuds and doubling. The rejects went back in the Armaguard bags, sealed, and you would never know they were opened. ;)
i forgot to mention that i also bought 2 pairs of new socks as well as the baby jumpsuit and new bathmats
i did go in to buy a box of tissues
i also got the latest limited edition spiderman box of tissues
Quotei also got the latest limited edition spiderman box of tissues
Ya gotta be happy with that Mate :)
yep yep
gave them to the son's g'friend who has two older boys (10 & 14)
the younger is a mad spiderman fan so he'll nab ém
they are 'alo vera' as well - jeepers i have half a dozen pots of those things in the back yard
will go back and get another box for my son
And try my luck on the coloured coins!
QuoteI hand over $50 as she is happy to give them to me, YIPPIE is my reaction, then she's not sure if the bag has 25 coins in it - so she rips it open there and then then counts each coin then hands over the coins and torn bag
If it is any consolation the coins in the little "Baggies" are pretty much smashed around even before they get opened.
The little baggies of the changeover coins that I have gotten from RAM are a bit knocked about as well, Those little bags offer NO protection against "Bagging" at all.
That's why I have paid the premium and have bought/ordered rolls of these changeover coins :ok:
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='94104' dateline='1470820340'i also got the latest limited edition spiderman box of tissues
PackyBoxyTissuItis!
Those are 2015 coins Mate :angel:
Aren't they the $2 Remembrance rolls Fulvio or am I missing something?
Pedro
Quote from: 'trout' pid='94129' dateline='1470832845'Those are 2015 coins Mate :angel:
Damn. They all look the same to me... $2 coins should be dinnerplate-sized. :/
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='94128' dateline='1470832091'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='94104' dateline='1470820340'i also got the latest limited edition spiderman box of tissues
PackyBoxyTissuItis!
great love it!!
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='94131' dateline='1470833833'Damn. They all look the same to me... $2 coins should be dinnerplate-sized. :/
Doesn't help that the yellow Olympic coins look quite orange - must have had left over paint from the 2015s. ;)
Pedro
Quote from: 'Pedro' pid='94161' dateline='1470872023'Doesn't help that the yellow Olympic coins look quite orange - must have had left over paint from the 2015s.
Hehe... I sent that link to Ross, and his reply shows HE didn't pick up on it either. I might just shut up and see what happens I think.
On the assumption this is going to be a permanent feature of our currency, where will we be in say ten years, when they've used every colour multiple times? Its not like there's much room to get fancy like on the larger commemoratives.
The fraud continues with an abundance of Armaguard and Prosegur rolls
being sold on eBay over the past week or so.
http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=olympic%20%242%20roll&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc&_trksid=p2045573.m1684
Questions are being asked by RAMINT and WOW.
They haven't used pink or burgundy yet. Lol
Mike
They haven't used White, Silver or Grey yet either :)
i wanna see a grey nomad series
only sold at the pension shop
and you gotta show a seniors card to get one as well!!
everyone would be forcing grannie to go get ém for the good of the family! ha ha
And you will only be able to pick them up at caravan parks or camp grounds :yahoo:
the grey nomad or the coins ????
:angel:
The coins. You can pick grey nomads up anywhere. :grin:
Pedro
ha ha
that is funny Pedro
Quote from: 'Pedro' pid='94260' dateline='1470921099'The coins. You can pick grey nomads up anywhere.
Hrm.. cruisin' for nomads. :dodgy::dodgy:
Funnily enough I haven't been propositioned in my travels yet, Maybe I should shave more than once a month :angel::laugh2:
Just to drag things back to the topic...
One of the guys at the MNS meeting had a 'missing paint' olympic coin he got from Woolies.
He got it a couple of days ago, from the service desk at Forest Hill, along with some yellows.
I had a good look at it, and pointed out that given that its a black, it can't have come out of a mint bag with the yellows. Most likely a customer brought it back and spent it after 'testing' some acetone or other paint stripper on it.
However, it IS in UNC condition, so there is a slight possibility it came out of the mint that way. Just impossible to tell, given the lack of provenance.
i saw an érror' bag go off on the facebook page
it had an elder coin it = went off for a good load of dough too
go figure that one !!
if you didn't have midnight madness before you would now!!
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='94269' dateline='1470928004'it had an elder coin it = went off for a good load of dough too
Given that I reseal my bags with reject coins, and its pretty much undetectable, I wouldn't ever bid on such a thing.
oh seriously
so someone could have done that
very norti if they did
i still can't figure out how it's an error bag
i have seen people question the actual numbers in the coronation $2 bags as they show up with elders and i have never seen them called error bags
On eBay and Facebook anything is possible, Stupid people abound on both sites and the Sharks love to take advantage of this :dodgy:
I am just waiting for the "error" 5 coin set with all the same coloured coins in it or maybe an Elder coin thrown in there for good measure :dash1:
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='94271' dateline='1470928443'i have seen people question the actual numbers in the coronation $2 bags as they show up with elders and i have never seen them called error bags
Coronations were deliberately seeded into bags of standards. They averaged about 3 coronations per bag, based on my five sacks.
At this stage, are we even sure there ARE 2016 standards around? And even if there are, I can't see one getting into the olympic production line.
Of course, I'd happily change my mind if it had rings painted on it. Now THAT would be a genuine error! :angel:
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='94273' dateline='1470928771'At this stage, are we even sure there ARE 2016 standards around?
I can confirm that, have received in change.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='94281' dateline='1470952750'I can confirm that, have received in change.
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I am just waiting for next week so that I can get the last Green coins so that I can fire some of these off to a couple of Mates that don't have access to Woollies :)
I think that the multi coloured Parra Olympic coin will be the Star of the show for this batch of coins and I am just going to order these from the RAM shop so that I can go back to using IGA exclusively :)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='94302' dateline='1470961045'I am just waiting for next week so that I can get the last Green coins
Yeah, me too. Then I can start trying to trade bags. At the moment, I'm short 3 bags of black, but who knows what will happen with greens? I could end up 5 down on those. *shrug*
As for the paralympics, I agree they'll be the pick of the crop. Assuming they didn't stuff them up too much of course. They could look awesome, or they could look like total crap. :/
With the amount of these coloured $2 coins being produced they are starting to become a bit "Meh" to me now.
The first red poppy and the next purple coin added a bit of "excitement" to the mix but now they are becoming a bit lax lustre I think.
Yes there's been quite a few and on a few denominations now so the novelty is wearing off :whistle2:
Even though it didn't make it into the pond I think my favourite aussie one is the 2012 50 cent and the worst was the 2013 20 cent pond scum but my world fav so far is the kiwi anzac, now that's a nice coin.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='94307' dateline='1470962919'With the amount of these coloured $2 coins being produced they are starting to become a bit "Meh" to me now.
The first red poppy and the next purple coin added a bit of "excitement" to the mix but now they are becoming a bit lax lustre I think.
You're looking at it all wrong, fishboy...
These are the most 'biodegradable' coins ever released into circulation. Forget about pristine 50-year old coins showing up in your change, these things won't make it into their teens.
And working on the assumption they're not going to let go of the cash cow, you can expect them to just keep on coming. Which will create demand for the early ones down the track.
Nobody EVER went wrong putting away UNC coins. Worst case scenario is they cost you the foregone bank interest. Which is two-tenth's of F&%*-All anyway. Best case.. well, you saw the thousand-dollar bags of poppies I take it? :angel:
fishboy :mocking: :laugh2:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='94311' dateline='1470964801'my favourite aussie one is the 2012 50 cent
What, the pad-printed one? Those things don't count, cos they're granny-bait, not 'proper' coins. :P
Yeah I know but still :winkextra:
I'm not overly impressed with the painted one's that get all the chips on them let alone the so called "missing" paint error :dash1:
QuoteWhat, the pad-printed one? Those things don't count, cos they're granny-bait, not 'proper' coins.
These coloured $2 are pad printed McDuckky :) :laugh2:
I don't know if I'd call the one's where the paint is on the obverse an error either or just a f..up :blink: they could be a possible mint sport as well.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='94317' dateline='1470965780'These coloured $2 are pad printed McDuckky :) :laugh2:
No they're not. They won't say what they are, claiming its proprietary tech, but they have vehemently denied them being pad printed.
And I believe them, since you can't get the paint into the grooves with a pad.
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='94318' dateline='1470965792'I don't know if I'd call the one's where the paint is on the obverse an error either or just a f..up :blink: they could be a possible mint sport as well.
Well, isn't every error a f%&*up? I mean, the mule, just for starters...
And sports are a whole 'nother thing. If they're in circulation AND 'possible' (IE, not crap like double-headers that can't exist accidentally), I very much doubt they can be called sports.
Still, we DO have to come up with a new way of looking at this, because if we're going to accept faults in hitting a bit of metal with a bigger bit of metal, and slapping ink on paper or plastic, then we really should accept failures in putting paint on metal too.
The hard part, as I was saying last night, is differentiating between something that happened during the production process and something done in the shed. Provenance is likely to play a big part in that, as it does in other fields, like autograph collecting for example.
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='94319' dateline='1470965939'Well, isn't every error a f%&*up? I mean, the mule, just for starters...
Yes :angel: but you know what I mean :P
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='94322' dateline='1470966959'you know what I mean
Knowing what you mean and agreeing with it are two different things. :angel:
Seriously, we need to put our heads together and come up with a way to handle painted metal, because its not going to go away anytime soon.
Do we treat them like other errors and flaws, or do we follow the die-cast collectors who regard damaged or missing paint as a negative? Or something in between?
Quotedo we follow the die-cast collectors who regard damaged or missing paint as a negative?
Well not always 1/18 DeLorean DMC-12 (http://www.autoartmodels.com/article.web.ViewArticleDetails.do?articleId=131&)
Getting a consensus on these will be hard;
•Some flaked off paint I suggest is a negative.
•Missing paint ex mint is a positive but how do you prove it came that way and paint hasn't been removed post mint? And, what about coins that come in vanilla and flavoured versions -think $2 poppy?
•Paint on wrong side of coins is a positive.
•Paint on a wrong coin is a positive. Say an elder $2 accidentally mixed in with painted ones. Are there any such known?
•Wrong colour paint is a positive. Probably no examples I suspect and, maybe, colour can be altered with chemical treatment (negative).
Just my initial thoughts.
What a can of worms (https://www.youtube.com/user/CanOfWormsTV) this may prove to be.
let me put this simply for you McDuckky:ok:
The paint itself is added POST MINT and is nothing more than a decoration added to the coin AFTER it comes out of the Minting press.
Paint can be removed with ease and with some expertise can be lifted and moved to another coin or the obverse of the same coin if so desired.
The colour of the Paint can also be altered .
So proving something paint related as an error is a tough call because the paint can be manipulated Post Mint with relative ease.
Now these elders or wrong coins in the baggies being called errors is simply ridicules.
Now if there is an error that has affected the Metal of the coin during the Minting process then YES that is "Kosher" But to me personally these Paint "errors" are Highly suspect :ok:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='94327' dateline='1470974117'let me put this simply
WAAAYYY too simply, I'm afraid. We can't just ignore the paint entirely, nor can we stop at the metal striking and call everything else post-minting. Imagine if we did that with banknotes, where there are multiple production steps to arrive at the finished note? We saw some notes last night which were missing colours (ALL colour on one side of a $10), numbers, or had two different numbers on the one note. By your definition, none of them would be errors, would they?
Besides, I'd just LOVE to see you move the paint from one side to the other. Or even describe HOW to. :dodgy:
As for Jeff, in no particular order...
Colour variations have never impressed me, Remember the soapy green serials saga? ;)
The poppies were two different coins, just like the millennium flags were. I don't think they're going to be dumb enough to release the same coin with and without paint, especially given the design features to hold onto the paint.
LOVE that car! I'd hate to think what the asking price is, given that even 'cheap and nasty' time machine versions are around $100+.
Yes, its a can of worms. But one we can't ignore I think.
QuoteBut one we can't ignore I think.
I have absolutely NO problems ignoring these "error" coloured coins as errors are not my "Bag" .
I much prefer my coins to be as perfect as I can find them, buggered up coins can be mildly interesting to me But a Gem Pre Decimal will hold my interest for far longer :angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='94346' dateline='1470987253'a Gem Pre Decimal will hold my interest for far longer :angel:
Each to their own, I guess...
There are people who preferred photoshopped supermodels too.
As Cindy Crawford once said,
"I Wish I Looked Like Cindy Crawford".Me, I prefer my women kind of like my cars... with a few reminders of the roads they've travelled. :angel:
Ditto for my coins. ;)
I like my Women like Land rover Discoveries.
Take em anywhere, put them through their paces and they still look like a Million Dollars :whistle2::)
I'm not going there.
Maybe we should have a separate thread for how to consider painted coin 'errors'.
got 2 blue ring octopus $2 coins today at another woolies - single coins - no bags to boast about
then went to the op-shop at the same shopping centre and got a new summer dress, slinky for the grandie and a dominoes set, some preserving jars and two tourist souvenir spoons (a parrot and a dieters spoon) and had a great chat to the volunteers there
I am starting to enjoy going out to get the coloured coins
the hubby even let me keep both of the blue ringed octopuses for my book - sweet
Did he body search you when you arrived back?
How many of those coins did you really have secreted on you?
oh gee
i might try that one - I just might become more motivated to go out to source the evil Olympic coins from woolies
nah i was honest and coughed up the two coins
a bit tardy by today mind you - the coins that is
I thought the dieters'spoon might attract some interest ??? or my parrot tourist spoon
gotta love going out for coloured coins ha ha
I am sorry Fulvio But I just can't seem to take these coloured $2 coins seriously , To me they are pretty much 'Novelty" coins.
The Avarice ,The Envy and the rampant Skulduggery that erupts every single time that these things are produced sickens me pretty much to the core.
They seem to have the ability to bring out the worst in people and I find that quite distasteful and distressing.
The ease in which these can be doctored by the unscrupulous is the reason why I would treat any "error" with suspicion and distrust.
Give me a spew roo, Clip, clash or a Mule any day over some missing paint error :ok:
give me a parrot tourist spoon and dieters spoon anyday ha ha
more colour more good vibes and more fun
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/dieters_spoon_and_parrot_spoon.jpg)
maybe if you lick the dieters spoon before putting it in your sugar is the go :winkextra:
ha ha
isn't it fab??
i tried on a dress at the op-shop and it was a tad tight so I was busy telling the ladies how I need to lose weight
than i had a look see in the tourist spoon bin after watching antiques road show and seeing silver spoons worth around 10 thousand quids - just in case one was in the bin
and here's a dieters spoon - how coincidental!!
all in a grand day out to get Olympic coins from woolies mind you
the hubby has a gawdy blue and red parrot in the study so I had to get the kitch parrot spoon - i think that I it much more than he does!! - the parrot is in the Olympic coin first and third issue colours - red and blue
i'm on topic guys - before you gong me
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='94369' dateline='1471002755'i'm on topic guys - before you gong me
So you're a spoon collector, eh?
You probably have some of my ex's work then.
I came home one day about 30 years ago to find her painting away on some 3 or 4 inch wooden rounds. "Wotcha doin'?" I asked. To which she said "I ran into this guy who makes all those tourist spoons, and he offered to pay me $50 for each design I paint". She did hundreds while we were together, and for all I know she's still at it.
Most amazingly talented and smartest person I ever met.. pity she had absolutely zero common sense to go with it. :(
nah
i never collect spoons
they are somewhat tacky and take up a lot of room
but these two spoons were so totally kitch and sort of fitted in with the Olympic theme -
australian parrot
red and blue - parrot - red and blue olympic coins
spoon with a hole , well nothing Olympic but the Gods of fashion were telling me how to lose that kilo to make that new 'up-cycled' David Lawrence dress a perfect fit ha ha
your ex sounds very creative and artistic, $50 a spoon is good money if she was a fast painter - although i couldn't image a much worse job! ahh yes I could , my job , no wait , spoon painting takes first place
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='94376' dateline='1471007229'your ex sounds very creative and artistic
Yeah. Artistic, mechanical whiz, able to write microcode for a bit-slice computer with a 256-bit wide control store (DEC's VAX series minicomputers used 96-bits, to give you an idea of relative complexity), drive a truck, buy an offset press, teach herself how to print, and produce our club newsletters for 3 years, design and build a house following the bushfires, whip up a full set of costumes for our medieval-themed engagement overnight (she got the idea from an episode of Moonlighting), and so on and so forth.
But, absolutely NO common sense whatsoever. She left a brand new $700 brushcutter in the blackberries when the phone rang, and it was still there rusting away 9 months later. And many, many similar fiascos. :(
Mind you, she was still better than the two who followed. ;)
the purity of genius doesn't come with perfection you know
she sounds creative, expressive and spontaneous
i am sure that you both made a magical pair when it was going well
i can imagine you being the dashing medieval knight Fulvio at the engagement
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='94380' dateline='1471008657'the purity of genius doesn't come with perfection you know
she sounds creative, expressive and spontaneous
i am sure that you both made a magical pair when it was going well
i can imagine you being the dashing medieval knight Fulvio at the engagement
Yeah, I do know. And yes, it was awesome. Until a car crash opened her skull up and she changed. :(
I was Henry VIII, she was maid Marion, and the kids were pageboys.
We also had Friar Tuck, Redbeard the Pirate (both sadly departed and sorely missed), a suitably inbred French courtier, buxom saucy wenches, and a plethora of others. Pity she got all the pics, or I'd scan and post them.
Ah, but I'm threadjacking again, aren't I? :dodgy:
fabulous story
sorry about the car accident - i see that in my work all the time - very sad indeed
perhaps the spoon painting was the best job for just the right gal afterall
& i'll stick to hospital work for the moment
maybe we should start a rob and fulvio late night chat thread ?
your stories are very colourful - you could write a book
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='94384' dateline='1471009618'you could write a book
That's been suggested many times over the years. But nobody would believe any of it. :dodgy:
Heh, if we started such a thread, it would instantly attract undesirables. You know the sort, from the wilds of WA and northern NSW. ;)
:blink: I'll try and find these undesirables and sort them out for you Fulvio :mocking: :) :friends:
I know you wouldn't be talking about me but pretty sure your talking about smelly fish..boy :laugh2:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='94387' dateline='1471014395'I know you wouldn't be talking about me but pretty sure your talking about smelly fish..boy :laugh2:
My lips are sealed. ;)
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='94389' dateline='1471023881'Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='94387' dateline='1471014395'I know you wouldn't be talking about me but pretty sure your talking about smelly fish..boy :laugh2:
My lips are sealed. ;)
HMMMM
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/th.jpg)
:laugh2: your one evil looking dude trout :)
:scratch_one-s_head: I've been thinking about it Fulvio and I've whittled it down to a possible three, Uni (one of the biggest trouble makers we have), interest or Rob, but could be anyone of them :mocking:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='94397' dateline='1471038319':laugh2: your one evil looking dude trout :)
:scratch_one-s_head: I've been thinking about it Fulvio and I've whittled it down to a possible three, Uni (one of the biggest trouble makers we have), interest or Rob, but could be anyone of them :mocking:
I would think that the biggest trouble makers here would be you pair of silly Buggers :laugh2:
HEY HEY HEY, steady on there cobba :friends: Fulvio yes, but ME, NEVER :angel:
There you go again -you just can't help yourself. Always someone else is the villain and that angel icon is overworked.
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='94401' dateline='1471039035'HEY HEY HEY, steady on there cobba :friends: Fulvio yes, but ME, NEVER :angel:
:whistle2:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/thVK8B4LAN.jpg)
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='94402' dateline='1471039166'There you go again -you just can't help yourself. Always someone else is the villain and that angel icon is overworked.
i think that we also need a missing kidney icon for AJ
i reckon by now he has traded .. what about 23 kidneys for rare coins?? ha ha
so glad that Jen has tolerated out thread antics
after all the Olympic coins are getting more collectors (like me) down to woolies and out of the house
good work woolies!
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='94402' dateline='1471039166'There you go again -you just can't help yourself. Always someone else is the villain and that angel icon is overworked.
:mocking: what do you mean "there you go again" :dodgy: and YES it is always someone else's fault as I take no responsibility for my own actions :blush2:
I have learnt from our politicians like the PM that if you can flick pass the blame do so :winkextra:
:laugh2: come on RG a lot of deals haven't gone through and yes an icon would be great :)
Good old mumsy got me couple of these coins as I don't go to woolies as it's a right pain getting in and out so I avoid it like the plague.
Jen knows what i'm like :friends: and knows I didn't start any of this :whistle2:
:mocking:
(http://i66.tinypic.com/2dwg8oy.jpg)
:angel:
(http://i63.tinypic.com/330cp08.jpg)
My wife went to Mudgee this morning and, while there, shopped at Woolies -she much prefers them to IGA except there isn't one here.
I said to ask about these coins and she received one for a several hundred dollar purchase; "one coin only per transaction". They would not allow splitting of items into multiple purchases.*
After loading the shopping into the car she went back and purchased several small items that we will use anyway, lined up a different checkout for each item and eventually came away with 5 yellow and 2 blue coins.
What a farce.
*But no restriction on the number of times you can line up with something else.
good on wifey
no, the girls at out various woolies have been very nice and will issues up to about 4 if they have them
each store seems to have it's very own in house rule nazis's
Quoteeach store seems to have it's very own in house rule nazis's
To my way of thinking that is a major flaw in what is otherwise a rather good idea.
agree
and I reckon it has put too much pressure in many way on the till staff
I tend to think there are more bags on the market now. The first week I had no trouble getting coins in random change and even through the self-checkout. I am legitimately spending and multiple transactions to get a $2 coin in change. Now you have no chance of any, you have to ask then they even check other tills to find just one. So where are they all? They've stayed in the bags and been snapped up by....someone. What do others think?
Coin collectors are not the only people that know about eBay, I imagine there would be more than a few of the wollies staff taking advantage of this opportunity to make a few extra dollars once they saw what the bags of coins were selling for on the bay :angel:
troutoffski knows where they are going as he put a link on my "classic" thread as I sussed out the sellers other items and I was going to comment earlier but couldn't be bothered but now you've mentioned it PP suss out this seller. I want to know how the hell do they get so many :@
http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/burnog1980/m.html?item=272327741687&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='94467' dateline='1471078601'They've stayed in the bags and been snapped up by....someone. What do others think?
• Stores are definitely hoarding.
• Staff are definitely selling on ebay.
• Some staff ARE overly generous. I've had as many as three bags in one hit. Rare, but it happens.
There are 100,000 bags of each colour. Between 950 stores according to the mint, 961 according to Woolies. So call it a hundred bags per store. On bag per till per day pretty much.
That's the theory anyway. But because everyone makes it up as they go along, there are distortions at both ends of the spectrum. :dodgy:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='94473' dateline='1471081228'I want to know how the hell do they get so many
This is what he told me...
Dear fulvio,
Mate i dont even intend or bother selling.. if someone wants it then they
will pay for it.. if not it just stays in my collection with my other
coins.. how do i have so many bags is because i bought so many bags..
nothing to do about being mortal or immortal.. just bought too many thats
all..
-burnog1980
Poor old Dion on the Mints SYNC forum has allowed the somewhat less than effervescent Miz Roberts back on that forum and I would think is by now regretting that somewhat rash decision.
If you have access to the site have a squiz at the Olympic coins topic :laugh2:
Yeah I had a look and she just wants rolls at face value to sell on ebay.
I don't think she realises that Woolworths are sponsors of the Olympic team and provide lots of money to the Olympic team throughout the year so are entitled to put their name to these coins as sponsors and get a few extra sales during the Olympics.
A couple of quote from the seller on their listing :dodgy:
"Face Value of $300 each bag has $50 or 25 coins. All mixed colours.
6 bags in total."
"I have more of these than I have in cash. Need to sell some and gain back some cash.
If you think I would be selling cheap please dont bother messaging. Value goes up the longer you keep.
Notice how rare is black and blue at the moment. And yellow selling for over $140 each.
This is a bulk buy. No breaking into parts.
3 x Blue Bags
5 x Black Bags
0 x Red Bags
20 x Yellow Bags
? X Green Bags
Give me an offer but dont send me silly offers. You wont be able to get this kind of bulk anywhere."
:scratch_one-s_head: I wonder if I sent an offer of face value what he'd say, just another lying feebay scumbag if you ask me and $140 per bag of yellow is a ripoff and well over face value so what a load of crap they fed you :@
Quote from: 'jens coins' pid='94485' dateline='1471085559'Yeah I had a look and she just wants rolls at face value to sell on ebay.
I don't think she realises that Woolworths are sponsors of the Olympic team and provide lots of money to the Olympic team throughout the year so are entitled to put their name to these coins as sponsors and get a few extra sales during the Olympics.
I don't think she cares about who has generously put their hand in their pocket to help our athletes to be able to compete in the Olympic games
All she is concerned about is making a quick quid on eBay and is upset that the distribution of these new lot of coloured coins has been so widespread and successful and it is affecting her $30 sales of the 5 coin packs :angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='94495' dateline='1471086853'All she is concerned about is making a quick quid on eBay
Isn't that ALL of these people though?
I mean, if someone lists coins a few years after release, nobody would bat an eyelid, regardless of the price (witness the thousand-dollar poppy bags). What I find irksome, and I'm sure everyone else does too, is that they list even BEFORE they're generally available, and at ripoff prices.
Its not just greed, its speed-greed. make a quick kill and move on to the next one. :dodgy:
Quotespeed-greed
I like that one, Good call Mate :good:
End of the day the greedBay assholes taking advantage of selling new released items way above true value are those who obtain the items unethically which is like a black market in my opinion.
Unfortunately that's the way this world works and eBay has no ethics whatsoever
These are now being rolled by Armguard .
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2016-2-ROYAL-AUSTRALIAN-MINT-new-BLACK-colour-Olympic-coloured-coin-ROLL-UNC-/282135109607?hash=item41b0901fe7:g:i5cAAOSwMtxXr8J7
nope
PLEASE NOTE mint ROLLS DON'T exist in the olympic series as they were only issued in seald mint bags to Woolworths that were meant to be opened to circulate the coins .
I put this listing up to help unaware buyers.
You are guaranteed to get 25 new $2 olympic coins taken straight out of a mint bag then rolled up in a SECURITY wrapper.
Buy from a trusted powerseller with consistent 5-Star feedback ratings and 100% positive feedback
If you have any questions feel free to ask
Not happy with this item, don't bid.
refunds will not be given because you changed your mind
Mint Uncirculated Coloured $2 Dollars
Thanks RG, I didn't read that bit :angel::good:
they look pretty tightly (machine) wrapped to me
only $850 for a coloured set
with $25 post
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2016-2-Olympic-coloured-coin-ROLLS-BLUE-BLACK-RED-YELLOW-GREEN-5-ROLLS-X25-/272340759212?hash=item3f68c632ac:g:HAIAAOSw-itXr86t
I think I will pass on that Mate :whistle2:
How do you get the Armaguard wrappers to wrap these coins.
Must be an inside job or friends
yeah
or the top coin is the replacement?
Quote from: 'jens coins' pid='94592' dateline='1471177968'How do you get the Armaguard wrappers to wrap these coins.
Must be an inside job or friends
That wouldn't be the first time this has happened and I doubt it will be the last.
This new generation of dodgy sellers make the old school shady dealers look like Boy Scouts .
Quote from: 'jens coins' pid='94592' dateline='1471177968'How do you get the Armaguard wrappers to wrap these coins.
Must be an inside job or friends
Easy. I have a stash of wrappers, and I've done this before, when I needed rolls rather than bags for my rejects.
I've never shared the HOW, because it would be far too tempting to use the force for evil rather than good. :angel:
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='94612' dateline='1471219334'Easy. I have a stash of wrappers, and I've done this before, when I needed rolls rather than bags for my rejects.
I've never shared the HOW, because it would be far too tempting to use the force for evil rather than good. :angel:
Yeah,all you need is the wrappers as there heaps of Coin rolling machines out there.
In the 1970-80's when Dept.stores and Banks were downsizing rolling machines were everywhere for sale in Auctions or dumped at Tips where the fossickers picked them up.
Also it may be 'mint sport' at the Security Co's.
I read all the time on CCF where the US noodlers re roll the coins to return to the bank So it cant be that hard to do.
Ok guys
i will look out for one at my op-shops
might be near the spoons basket?
rumour ..
be on the lookout for a late addition to the series ..
the (usain) Bolt special in yellow black and green !!! :angel::laugh2:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='94617' dateline='1471223661'I read all the time on CCF where the US noodlers re roll the coins to return to the bank So it cant be that hard to do.
Its not, and there are three basic ways.
The way the yanks do it is pretty dodgy. They tape the ends.
You can use a machine if you have one.
You can carefully open and reuse rolls.
I rolled my own CoF state coins, after designing my own wrappers. The hardest part of doing it by hand was keeping the little blighters in place while you do the first end. There's probably pics around here someplace too.
Just google how to do it, heaps of options.
I picked up 3 of the new green coins and a blue one today at Woolies. :)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='94647' dateline='1471245580'I picked up 3 of the new green coins and a blue one today at Woolies. :)
Well done on the blue one.
I had to visit a couple of Woolies to get the green ones. Getting harder.
Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='94654' dateline='1471256027'Quote from: 'trout' pid='94647' dateline='1471245580'I picked up 3 of the new green coins and a blue one today at Woolies. :)
Well done on the blue one.
I had to visit a couple of Woolies to get the green ones. Getting harder.
Maybe that is due to more of the woollies staff joining in on the fringe benefits of selling the bags on eBay that is creating a shortage in-store :angel:
An issue I raised in an earlier post of mine in this thread, which has not been picked up by any mem ber, is that these Woolworths Olympic coins are in fact NCLT.
https://www.ramint.gov.au/publications/woolworths-shoppers-win-gold-exclusive-olympic-coin-launch
Perhaps this thread/topic should be moved to the Decimal Coins NCLT section.
no they are circulating
woolies are giving them out in change
that's circulating isn't it?
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='94661' dateline='1471260797'no they are circulating
woolies are giving them out in change
that's circulating isn't it?
Yes they are most certainly a circulating issue just like the last few coloured $2 coins were, Funnily enough tho they are very hard to find in your change :angel:
RG they are not circulating coins.
They have been "sponsored" by Woolworths and The AU Olympics and are not RAMINT issue (alone).
https://www.ramint.gov.au/publications/woolworths-shoppers-win-gold-exclusive-olympic-coin-launch
See the above link on the RAMINT site where they are descibed as UNC.
The Woolworths 2016 Olympic coins are NCLT that have been circulated, which means the coins are truly unique!
https://www.ramint.gov.au/publications/woolworths-shoppers-win-gold-exclusive-olympic-coin-launch
Trout if they are circulating why would RAMINT in the above link describe them as UNC?
Just got home from a full day on the road, after the funeral this morning.
Several of my regular stores went sour on me.. even had a fight with the manager in one of them after they refused to give me any coins with a purchase because the girl recognised me from earlier in the day.. What the..???
Anyway, went further afield, and tripped over a store which had no greens, but gave me nearly a bag of each of yellow, black and blue! No sealed bags, sadly, but better than a kick in the teeth, right? ;)
Its definitely getting harder, that's for sure. They keep moving the goalposts, and also according to one store, their allocation's been cut. One sack this week vs 3 or 4 in previous weeks. Wonder what bloody Armaguard is up to? :(
I managed 10 greens this morning from the nicest girl on the checkouts that I have encounted, let me have what I wanted, I'm glad the hunt is over she didn't have any bags.
Quote from: 'interest' pid='94676' dateline='1471266580'I managed 10 greens this morning from the nicest girl on the checkouts that I have encounted, let me have what I wanted, I'm glad the hunt is over she didn't have any bags.
Treat her nice. She's worth her weight in gold. :)
Out of maybe 400 staff so far, I've met maybe 3 or 4 good ones. Not great odds when you consider their advertising campaigns.
I already didn't shop at woolies but this whole situation has convinced me even more not to shop there.
I'm even trying a different town while I am away and that is no better.
I think the rudeness of the staff is what I dislike the most.
It's not always the case of no coins in the till they just don't want to hand them over. They must be keeping them for themselves.
Anyways I give up.
Tania
I went to Woolies last night and asked the girl behind the service desk for a few coins. She asked how many and I said 15 if you have them please. She checked both tills at the service counter and there were none, then she took me took registger 2 and emptied out all the coins from there, but we still only came up with 10. I have found the staff at Woolies nothing but helpful.
Quote from: 'tania' pid='94691' dateline='1471296714'I think the rudeness of the staff is what I dislike the most.
I got even with one today.
Refused to hand over any coins. So since I was there anyway I bought something. Still refused. Picked out old coins.
Oh yeah?
So I grabbed an armload of soda water, went through the self-serve and put them through one at a time (there weren't any other registers open), got my coins...
Then took the bottles back to the service desk for a refund.
BITE ME! :P
Heheh. :diablo:
There is a nasty smell about these coins on eBay.
2016 Australian Olympic Team Coloured $2 Coin - GREEN comes in a 2x2 holder (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2016-Australian-Olympic-Team-Coloured-2-Coin-GREEN-comes-in-a-2x2-holder-/162152034754?hash=item25c103b1c2%3Ag%3AKAMAAOSwXrhXmw0U&nma=true&si=8RO3xX2TezcjEj6ce8HSiIBFm0U%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557) Listed 29 July and sold 30 July. An email from the RAM 15 August says they are now available " in your change at Woolworth supermarkets starting from today". Now how did that seller come by that coin a few weeks before the embargo date? {Settle down Fulvio.}
Someone seems to have gotten a very good buy here. 1 x SET OF THE 5 OLYMPIC COINS IN COVER VERY NICE (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1-x-SET-OF-THE-5-OLYMPIC-COINS-IN-COVER-VERY-NICE-/232028666022?hash=item3605fc78a6%3Ag%3AcPQAAOSwRgJXmJij&nma=true&si=8RO3xX2TezcjEj6ce8HSiIBFm0U%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557) Cheaper than buying one from the RAM. I note this seller now lists them at $15 start ($20 buy it now) with $9 postage. I suspect he was rather unhappy with that sale.
And, what motivates some buyers? $2 olympic RAM bag..empty with tear hole (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2-olympic-RAM-bag-empty-with-tear-hole-/272328168502?hash=item3f68061436%3Ag%3A9JEAAOSwARZXoG5X&nma=true&si=8RO3xX2TezcjEj6ce8HSiIBFm0U%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557) How can you tell it is am "Olympic" bag?
How many of those bags have I binned over the years -I could even have made up sets of all the different colours for the different denominations!
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='94730' dateline='1471335565'There is a nasty smell about these coins on eBay.
2016 Australian Olympic Team Coloured $2 Coin - GREEN comes in a 2x2 holder (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2016-Australian-Olympic-Team-Coloured-2-Coin-GREEN-comes-in-a-2x2-holder-/162152034754?hash=item25c103b1c2%3Ag%3AKAMAAOSwXrhXmw0U&nma=true&si=8RO3xX2TezcjEj6ce8HSiIBFm0U%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557) Listed 29 July and sold 30 July. An email from the RAM 15 August says they are now available " in your change at Woolworth supermarkets starting from today". Now how did that seller come by that coin a few weeks before the embargo date? {Settle down Fulvio.}
Someone seems to have gotten a very good buy here. 1 x SET OF THE 5 OLYMPIC COINS IN COVER VERY NICE (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1-x-SET-OF-THE-5-OLYMPIC-COINS-IN-COVER-VERY-NICE-/232028666022?hash=item3605fc78a6%3Ag%3AcPQAAOSwRgJXmJij&nma=true&si=8RO3xX2TezcjEj6ce8HSiIBFm0U%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557) Cheaper than buying one from the RAM. I note this seller now lists them at $15 start ($20 buy it now) with $9 postage. I suspect he was rather unhappy with that sale.
And, what motivates some buyers? $2 olympic RAM bag..empty with tear hole (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2-olympic-RAM-bag-empty-with-tear-hole-/272328168502?hash=item3f68061436%3Ag%3A9JEAAOSwARZXoG5X&nma=true&si=8RO3xX2TezcjEj6ce8HSiIBFm0U%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557) How can you tell it is am "Olympic" bag?
How many of those bags have I binned over the years -I could even have made up sets of all the different colours for the different denominations!
The green coin may have been removed from a five coin set album which was released on 26th July or thereabouts.
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='94730' dateline='1471335565'How many of those bags have I binned over the years -I could even have made up sets of all the different colours for the different denominations!
Ah, yes...
I used to cut the non-tear end off, then reseal the rejects into them. It made a handy 'roll' with the easy-tear intact. I did get the odd strange look and query about them though.
So now, I cut carefully just below the weld on the non-tear side, just wide enough to get the coins out. Then I seal across the cut, and you'd never know they'd been noodled. Keeps the doubters at bay. ;)
I also made up a sort of 'catalogue' of the different bag types a couple of years ago, to use in educating tellers on how to spot UNC sacks. I'll have to do that again, now that Armaguard have changed bag designs.
I ordered 10 of these sets from RAM and today I received the package.
I ended up with 2 sets of five different folders :yahoo:
good on you
I am after the swimmer one
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='94796' dateline='1471407296'good on you
I am after the swimmer one
I just posted one of them off yesterday as a surprise pressie :)
:thank_you:
gawd
you are so thoughtful ... what can I say
I can send you back a highjumper
a girl with very little clothing on ....
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='94799' dateline='1471411381':thank_you:
gawd
you are so thoughtful ... what can I say
I can send you back a highjumper
a girl with very little clothing on ....
HeHe
I purchased 50 albums and received 10 sets of five.
I am happy.
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='94796' dateline='1471407296'good on you
I am after the swimmer one
Try your local Woolies!
Many locally still have albums in stock!
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='94799' dateline='1471411381'a girl with very little clothing on ....
:blush2: I don't want the high jumper but I'll have one of the girls RG..as long as they're not too much trouble :angel:
girls are never any trouble mate - trust me darlink
i was a highjumper when I was younger but I didn't do that roll (fosbury flop) - straight out scissors technique for moi
my arch nemesis always did the fosbury flop and always beat me
the b** bar would wobble and vibrate but the damn thing would stay there & she'd get the little blue ribbon
my brothers were the QLD age champions so I had good incentive to be better at it but alas no state champ in this chick
jeepers I loved that sport
so I am really happy have a carded set with the highjumper on it & also did competitive swimming when I was a teenager as well - I was better in the water than trying to fly over stupid metal bars that won't stay where they are supposed to ha ha
although, no state champion swimmer mind you - but Tracey Whikham was a little up and coming in the pool in the suburb up the road when I was swimming - we all heard about this superfast little girl
ahhh the olympics brings out fond memories of our more athletic days !!!
Possum possum possum, never any trouble, I find that a bit hard to believe :winkextra: You'll have to get Mr RG to set up a few jumps in the back yard and you and the girls can have a run :laugh2:
I met Tracey when I was 12 at dreamworld and got her autograph, she was pretty cool :)
oh WOW
i never met her - just knew about her
but my son gave me her autobiography for Christmas a couple of years ago
Met Jeff Fenech in a pub in sydney once and got his autograph too but they're the only auto's I have. I'll have to get yours RG :blush2:
no worries will do
need to get some greens today
I have just had a close look at the seven coins my wife got from Woolies and six of them I consider nice UNC (MSsomething anyway). Has the RAM picked up its game with these or have I just been rather lucky?
Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='94804' dateline='1471413302'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='94796' dateline='1471407296'good on you
I am after the swimmer one
Try your local Woolies!
Many locally still have albums in stock!
local stores only got certain sets
all we saw were the highjumpers and the waterpolo
i bought the bike rider at the mint but they didn't have any swimmers
they said woolies got most of them
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='94821' dateline='1471418507'Met Jeff Fenech in a pub in sydney once and got his autograph too but they're the only auto's I have. I'll have to get yours RG :blush2:
I've got his autograph on a pair of boxing gloves, which have blood stains, don't know whose.
It's signed in Biro which makes it a bit hard to see.
are you serious?
Nice one interest :good:
Quote from: 'interest' pid='94847' dateline='1471439687'Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='94821' dateline='1471418507'Met Jeff Fenech in a pub in sydney once and got his autograph too but they're the only auto's I have. I'll have to get yours RG :blush2:
I've got his autograph on a pair of boxing gloves, which have blood stains, don't know whose.
It's signed in Biro which makes it a bit hard to see.
Are you sending that in to Collectors Universe (owns PCGS) to have it graded/certified? :)
a FULL BOX OF PACKAGED SETS CONTAINS 25 SETS. tHAT MEANS THERE SHOULD BE FIVE FULL SETS IN EACH BOX. mANY STORES ONLY RECEIVED HALF OF WHAT THEY ASKED FOR.
mOST OF THE SHOPS AROUND MY WAY WERE EMPTY OF THE SETS ON DAY TWO OF THE RELEASE.
hOWVER, I HAVE MANGED TO GET A SET OF THE FIVE FOLDERS, 25 COINS IN TOTAL.
got greens today
but cracked a bought a bag of yellows as I only have 2 yellows
paid the rip off premium but my only success with a bag was a bag of reds that was torn before the checkout chick gave it to me - at least I have 25 reds!!
need some blacks ? maybe blues too, so might be interested in a couple of colour swaps
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='94849' dateline='1471441224'are you serious?
so as not to contaminate thread see link
Jeffs boxing glove (https://www.australian-coins.net/showthread.php?tid=747&pid=94954#pid94954)
fascinating
i do believe the thread is fairly well contaminated ATM anyways!! ha ha
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='94941' dateline='1471514463'THERE SHOULD BE FIVE FULL SETS IN EACH BOX.
Nope.
Both the mint and examination of the stocks at the various stores I visited showed that the sets are randomly packed. One box I saw was almost entirely swimming for example.
Of course, MY box IS five sets, but it took a lot of legwork and much begging/swapping to build it.
i got my delivery for the $1 bag form the RAM
I had also taken a punt and bought a 5 coins set hoping I'd get a swimmer - chance is 1 in 5
got .............drum roll ............ the highjumper
now i have 3 of them!!
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='94993' dateline='1471576866'now i have 3 of them!!
Swap them at woolies.
seriously?
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95013' dateline='1471584299'seriously?
Yup. That's what I did. May take a little sweet talking, but once you point out that you're collecting the set, and you accidentally doubled up, they should be fine. Just don't try and do more than one at a time.. spread them out. :)
no swimmers at the mint today
we went down for the holdens - and it was great - mega memory lane
but also no coin swaps and no swimmer 5 coin cards - just the tinned heritage sets
off to woolies to try and do a deal ha ha
Guys, I have some of these Olympic coins... I think I have black, Yellow and Red... no interest in the coins... let me know if you need one.. (I think I have 2 each)... PM me your address and I can send you a coin...
hey Aus
great offer
I am after 1 black coin please and I am more than happy to pay for the coin & the post
if you want to sell 2 blacks then I would appreciate that as well but 1 is a good start
if you aren't knocked over in the rush!!
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95254' dateline='1471784889'hey Aus
great offer
I am after 1 black coin please and I am more than happy to pay for the coin & the post
if you want to sell 2 blacks then I would appreciate that as well but 1 is a good start
if you aren't knocked over in the rush!!
Hey RG, please PM your address... no need to pay... its less than a large coffees worth.:wavemulticolor:
cheers
I have many many beautiful 1964 pennies that would love a new home as well!!
Alas, often a cup of coffee costs more than the said penny ha ha
Having the Paralympic coin in hand I think it looks the most stylish of the Olympic coins. Very nice!
Pedro
ooohh
lucky you!
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95279' dateline='1471832079'ooohh
lucky you!
A little birdy may send you one :angel:
thank-you very much Aus :heart: you are a sweetie indeed
i went to woolies this arvo to try to get a Paralympic coin and the checkout chick said that she only had the one yellow ring coin
so i said yep i'll take that please!
i feel so much like a loser with these coins
i gotta learn to be more forthright!
i just get so shy about asking
Thats cool... let me see what I can find... BTW they have a collector $2 Paralymic coin... ask about that too...
darn it, I didn't think about that - anyways, she was a bit grumpy and the line was long ...
but all good in the long run, I got some nice chicken kiev to cook-up for tonight's dinner
and i got a yellow - I'm not complaining too much
next Olympics I am gonna get a job as a checkout chick .............
What an amazing day!
Started off warmish and sunny. And super-stingy. By lunchtime when the heavens opened up and turned the city into a lake, I had a whole THREE coins. Yes, they are nice, even if the yellow is a bit sus.
My next stop had already run out, but they had the cards at $3. Limit ONE. Which I got. And then a beautiful young lady came up next to me and said "would you like another? I'm going to buy some cigarettes and can get one for you if you like." Naturally, I accepted, and handed a $5 note to the guy to pay for it. She tapped her phone, picked up her ciggies, said "No, that's OK" and walked out. Leaving both of us standing there speechless! Oh, and its worth mentioning that the coins are NOT sealed into the cards. The obverse is half exposed, and clearly that's how they slide them into the card. They WILL need to be protected when stored. I better get onto this BOPP film in a hurry, eh?
Then at the next store I spot a bag of 5¢ in the till. I ask for it and get a very strange response... "No, you can only swap for the $2, not other coins".. What the...? Anyway, off to the bank for some 5¢ to try and swap for the bags. I grab a few rolls, and as I'm walking out, one of the other tellers calls out "I've got something for you!". He rummages in the drawers, fishes out a couple of bags of copper, and when I ask how much, he says "Nothing. Just take them". Coooool.. AND there's a round 50¢ and an Italian 1978 200 Lire in one of the bags too! :yahoo:
Towards the end of the day, I pop into my favourite dealer to check on my box of olympic sets. They're back-ordered and may be in next week he says. And they're no longer taking orders and have cancelled further production apparently. I hand back the 6d you lot convinced me was PMD, and swap it for a $20 19th century calico coin sack labelled "£100 silver 866" on both sides.
Finally, at my last stop I picked up three UNC $5 notes, since they'll soon be gone.
I'm toying with the idea of going out again, but since they all ran out early, it may be pointless for today. And anyway, I did get three bags, which puts me ahead of my target. Might just rest on my laurels instead. ;)
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2jm9k.jpg)
Re box of Olympic sets.
As I did not receive boxes with my order for 50 albums I made that enquiry today.
I was told by RAMINT today that boxes were exculsively for WOW and not available to dealers or public.
so you got 3 bags of the Paralympic coins?
the story doesn't detail that
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95333' dateline='1471866670'the story doesn't detail that
Because its not unusual. I get a few coins here and there, and when I reach 25, swap for a bag. Been doing that since day one.
you swap them at woolies for a bag?
you cheeky boy
but smart
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95343' dateline='1471869811'cheeky boy
Now that's not really a description I'd use for the old black bearded pirate :angel: :mocking:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='95345' dateline='1471870116'Now that's not really a description I'd use for the old black bearded pirate :angel: :mocking:
Just ye wait till we keelhaul ya, ya blaggard!
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95343' dateline='1471869811'you swap them at woolies for a bag?
Of course. There's nowhere else to do it, is there?
ey ey capin :)
The parra coins are now available again at the RAM shop :ok:
Good day for me with coins yesterday.
My first lot of 50th anniversary $1 coins arrived.
A parcel of coins from Germany also arrived.
Then I picked up 8 paralympic coins at Woolies.
They didn't have any at the service desk this time,
but the lady took me too till #2 and emptied out
all she had. :)
All my local WOW's sold out of the Paralympic card yesterday.
Was there some publicity I missed?
Would never have thunk it!
Interesting observation on the green coin.
At 1900 is shown what I suspect is the Modern Pentathlon which is made up of:
- horse riding
- fencing
- pistol shooting
- swimming, and
- running
However, the green $2 shows rifle shooting and an unclear fencing/pistol event.
Can anyone else comment?
Looks like the $2 Olympic rolls are back.
Found this on another local forum.
"It's just the Olympic coins released in Certified RAM Rolls. It will be limited to 5,000 and if you purchase a set, it will all have the same certificate number. And the Olympic coins will Be the first, and there will be subsequent certified rolls in the future.
Just to be clear, the roll is not physically rolled by RAM. But they do carry official wrapping paper and holograpgic certificate number.
RRP is $900 for 6 roll, or individual roll for $180."
"Just to be clear, the roll is not physically rolled by RAM. But they do carry official wrapping paper and holograpgic certificate number."
unofficially official?
These may be the rolls referred to?
https://commcoinage.com/65-mint-rolls-security-bags?id_category=65&n=19
:scratch_one-s_head:
So how do they get the "official" wrapping paper?
Pedro
Quote from: 'Pedro' pid='95520' dateline='1472083979':scratch_one-s_head:
So how do they get the "official" wrapping paper?
Pedro
There is plenty of RAM wrapping out there Mate and from what I have read this Mob are having these coins rolled by a company that also rolls the RAM coins to deliver to Banks.
I think that this company is "Moonlighting" rolling these and is it has nothing whatsoever to do with RAM.
Well their ad says "Coins in Mint Rolls issued by the Royal Australian Mint",
so who's telling porkies? The seller or the RAM?
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='95529' dateline='1472087931'Well their ad says "Coins in Mint Rolls issued by the Royal Australian Mint",
so who's telling porkies? The seller or the RAM?
Can you post a link to that Ad Nevol , I will put it up on the SYNC forum and see how Dion Buck answers regarding if it an official RAM incentive or Not :ok:
See post #455 this page.
The ad doesn't say that these are in RAM rolls, This is from the listing.
QuoteExclusively Rolled by Private Company
Holographic Security Label
Black Wrapper with Company Logo
No More than 250 Rolls
Individually Numbered
Try this:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10007/Mint_Rolls.jpg)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='95522' dateline='1472084408'this Mob are having these coins rolled by a company that also rolls the RAM coins to deliver to Banks.
Not quite right, but I'll provide details after I get off the phone with Ron from https://commcoinage.com/new-products, who is a member here.
There IS a bit of a stench surrounding these rolls :angel:
I can assure members here that RAMINT and Woolworths are currentlly investigating Ron B and commcoinage.com
Full name, address and contact info of the web site owner has been presented to RAMINT.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='95569' dateline='1472112589'There IS a bit of a stench surrounding these rolls :angel:
OK, so, I'm finally off the phone, having ordered $355 of these things that Ron will deliver here Monday. I'll also catch up with him at the ANDA show on the weekend as well.
The story is, the rolls are being done by a big name supplier who he can't name yet, but whose name WILL be on the rolls. They bought the equipment to roll these up, and are trying to recover the cost obviously. We both agreed the price is too steep in our opinions, but the customers seem to disagree, and they're selling like hotcakes.
WHERE they're coming from exactly is a little debatable. What the mint told me, what they told him and what appears to be happening doesn't seem to quite line up. MY guess is that because of the production problems with the cards, which they have stopped producing apparently, they are selling off the loose coins, which this supplier has scored and is building this new business on the back of. But that's conjecture.
Anyway, the deal IS legit. They are NOT RAM rolls, and nobody said they were. They will be clearly labelled as to manufacture, and will be numbered and sealed with a hologram. They will also be guaranteed to be either T-T or H-T, as they are being rolled in batches and any H-H are being opened and re-rolled. Most customers are ordering sets, and judging from the sounds coming from the computer in the background, the orders are rolling in thick and fast.
There was a browser problem with the machine I tried to log in on at first, and his IT guy came on the line and tried to deal with it. Don't know yet if its fixable, but from a customer relations point of view, 10/10 for sure!
As I said, Ron is a member here, and has been a collector for many years. I suggested that he should say hi, and also that he should post pics of a 1967 20¢/4¢ stamp PNC he has that he can't identify. I know you lot probably know the answer after all. :)
BTW, note the MS65 Coronation and the VF30 Wavy 2 on the site. Both of which are interesting, and IMO reasonably priced as well.
Now, as to Trout's line about rolling RAM coins and delivering to banks... sorry, but this is BS.
The mint supplies two forms of coin. Mint bags, in sacks, to Armaguard and from there to Toll. And 44-Gal drums, to Prosegur and Armaguard Brisbane for rolling. Neither of which are producing these rolls. Nobody rolls coins for the RAM to deliver to banks. The only rolls the RAM have done were for sale to/through dealers, and we already know all about those, right? :angel:
Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='95455' dateline='1472006764'Interesting observation on the green coin.
At 1900 is shown what I suspect is the Modern Pentathlon which is made up of:
- horse riding
- fencing
- pistol shooting
- swimming, and
- running
However, the green $2 shows rifle shooting and an unclear fencing/pistol event.
Can anyone else comment?
The green $2 coin has a depiction of Six Olympic Sports, Taekwondo, Rowing, Boxing, Modern Pentathlon, Diving & Handball.
Cheers Mike
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='95565' dateline='1472111254'Try this:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10007/Mint_Rolls.jpg)
That header related to the RAM rolls and bags on the page. The business has been going for a couple of years, and these olympic coins are pre-orders at this stage.
If you think the description is misleading, email him and say so, and I'm sure they'll fix it. :)
i'm afraid that by this point in time I am where Nevol was to start with
the whole business is beginning to disgust moi
it's taken me a while but right here, right now, I am over the RAM mint hype
they aimed to outdo Perth Mint and they have achieved it very successfully
but now, they are in the pockets of what I suspect are unscrupulous dealer/s
and i find it abhorrent
i may not be someone who is always on the phone or the email lines
but I will certainly be having a conversation
will do little but i will feel better for it
i will be letting my odd and sods collection of RAM products go
i won't be collecting their stuff anymore
this is the final straw for me
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='95582' dateline='1472118217'Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='95565' dateline='1472111254'Try this:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10007/Mint_Rolls.jpg)
That header related to the RAM rolls and bags on the page. The business has been going for a couple of years, and these olympic coins are pre-orders at this stage.
If you think the description is misleading, email him and say so, and I'm sure they'll fix it. :)
Hi, just you to let you know we have changed the category header as this is the first time we have offered this sort of product and didn't realise what the Category Header Read, but the description is correct on the product listing.
Quote from: 'Comm Coinage' pid='95585' dateline='1472120442'Hi, just you to let you know we have changed the category header as this is the first time we have offered this sort of product and didn't realise what the Category Header Read, but the description is correct on the product listing.
Thanks for being on the ball with that, Ron.
Oh, and even though you've been a member for a while, Welcome to the forum! :wavemulticolor:
PS: Check your email/voicemail. I need a 5-coin set for my mate. :)
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95583' dateline='1472118344'this is the final straw for me
Heh, it took you a while, but you finally came over to the Dark Side, eh RG? Life is so much sweeter (and cheaper) here in Granny-Bait-Free Land! :)
ok
so what do have here
a 'new member' member who is dealer?
are we all just being taken for fools here or is it just me???
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='95586' dateline='1472121031'Quote from: 'Comm Coinage' pid='95585' dateline='1472120442'Hi, just you to let you know we have changed the category header as this is the first time we have offered this sort of product and didn't realise what the Category Header Read, but the description is correct on the product listing.
Thanks for being on the ball with that, Ron.
Oh, and even though you've been a member for a while, Welcome to the forum! :wavemulticolor:
PS: Check your email/voicemail. I need a 5-coin set for my mate. :)
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95583' dateline='1472118344'this is the final straw for me
Heh, it took you a while, but you finally came over to the Dark Side, eh RG? Life is so much sweeter (and cheaper) here in Granny-Bait-Free Land! :)
WTF are you talking about here Fulvio???
The issue here is not the "private" rolling of the coins, but how such a large number of coins has been acquired considering the distribution arrangement betweeb RAMINT and Woolworths.
Edited to remove a persons private details.
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95587' dateline='1472121150'are we all just being taken for fools here or is it just me???
Nope. Its not that hard to follow.
A collector starts a business and joins the forum. Then doesn't do anything for ages. Then we notice his business, do some investigating and invite him here. His computer says he already has an account and he logs in. No great mystery, RG.
We have many dealers here, after all. And many more members who are de-facto virtual dealers as well. How does that have anything to do with "being taken for fools"?????
QuoteWTF are you talking about here Fulvio???
Only that it took you a while to give up on granny bait, that's all. Most of us saw the light years ago, remember? ;)
hang on
aren't you promoting the sale of the coloured rolls for the $900 ??????????????
if you spend half your current life collecting coloured coins and loading them into plastic buckets
is that granny bait or am i living in a bubble???
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='95579' dateline='1472117788'The story is, the rolls are being done by a big name supplier who he can't name yet, but whose name WILL be on the rolls. They bought the equipment to roll these up, and are trying to recover the cost obviously. We both agreed the price is too steep in our opinions, but the customers seem to disagree, and they're selling like hotcakes.
WHERE they're coming from exactly is a little debatable. What the mint told me, what they told him and what appears to be happening doesn't seem to quite line up. MY guess is that because of the production problems with the cards, which they have stopped producing apparently, they are selling off the loose coins, which this supplier has scored and is building this new business on the back of. But that's conjecture.
Anyway, the deal IS legit. They are NOT RAM rolls, and nobody said they were. They will be clearly labelled as to manufacture, and will be numbered and sealed with a hologram. They will also be guaranteed to be either T-T or H-T, as they are being rolled in batches and any H-H are being opened and re-rolled. Most customers are ordering sets, and judging from the sounds coming from the computer in the background, the orders are rolling in thick and fast.
There was a browser problem with the machine I tried to log in on at first, and his IT guy came on the line and tried to deal with it. Don't know yet if its fixable, but from a customer relations point of view, 10/10 for sure!
As I said, Ron is a member here, and has been a collector for many years. I suggested that he should say hi, and also that he should post pics of a 1967 20¢/4¢ stamp PNC he has that he can't identify. I know you lot probably know the answer after all. :)
BTW, note the MS65 Coronation and the VF30 Wavy 2 on the site. Both of which are interesting, and IMO reasonably priced as well.
Now, as to Trout's line about rolling RAM coins and delivering to banks... sorry, but this is BS.
The mint supplies two forms of coin. Mint bags, in sacks, to Armaguard and from there to Toll. And 44-Gal drums, to Prosegur and Armaguard Brisbane for rolling. Neither of which are producing these rolls. Nobody rolls coins for the RAM to deliver to banks. The only rolls the RAM have done were for sale to/through dealers, and we already know all about those, right? :angel:
:dodgy: Something just doesn't sound right about this and especially when it's a big name supplier but names can't be mentioned but then name is on the rolls but can't say exactly where they're coming from etc etc :scratch_one-s_head:
Personally I think it's very misleading advertising to say the least and makes it sound like they are Government RAM roll but they aren't as the RAM doesn't do rolls anymore (well that's what they reckon) so in reality there's no guarantee you'll get 100% the coins stated as we all know rolls from security companies can have anything in them including foreign coins so I'd be very careful as it sounds pretty dubious and like they say if it sounds too good to be true than it usually is and I still think pre-orders should be illegal as there's also no guarantee with them either and then you have to try and get your money back and that's often easier said than done :dash1:
:shock: Jesus, I'm gonna get my wavy's slabbed, so I'll put you down for one or two Fulvio :winkextra: I'll have to see if I can find more now :angel:
WTF is this then???
The story is, the rolls are being done by a big name supplier who he can't name yet, but whose name WILL be on the rolls. They bought the equipment to roll these up, and are trying to recover the cost obviously. We both agreed the price is too steep in our opinions, but the customers seem to disagree, and they're selling like hotcakes
You are promoting this Fulvio while claiming to be an objective bystander
I am afraid that if you can't dazzle them with brilliance
you can at least try to baffle them with bull mate
and at this moment in time I reckon you are bloody well full of it
.
This bit on the "title" page is what makes it seem deceiving.
MINT ROLLS & SECURITY BAGS There are 19 products.
Coins in Mint Rolls issued by the Royal Australian Mint
Coins in Mint Rolls also Issued by Security and Private Companies (see Product Listing)
Security Bags issued by Security Companies from coins supplied from the Royal Australian Mint
Cotton and Co is the supplier of these rolls according to RB.
Did CandC purchase hundreds / thousands of the 5 coin albums from RAMINT and break them apart or did CandC have an alternative means of acquiring such huge numbers of coins from AG or WOW?
QuoteNow, as to Trout's line about rolling RAM coins and delivering to banks... sorry, but this is BS.
What part of where armguard or like companies take Bulk new coinage and roll them for Banks is BS Fulvio ???
QuoteWHERE they're coming from exactly is a little debatable. What the mint told me, what they told him and what appears to be happening doesn't seem to quite line up. MY guess is that because of the production problems with the cards, which they have stopped producing apparently, they are selling off the loose coins, which this supplier has scored and is building this new business on the back of. But that's conjecture.
WTF is all that Gobbly Gook about ??
The only one coming up with a line of BS here is yourself and your new found Mate that is "Profiteering" with these blasted coloured $2 coins.
Be careful lying with dogs because inevitably you will end up catching fleas :angel:
FFS...
WTF is wrong with you people anyway?
A) I'm not promoting anything. I made some enquiries and reported back. My relationship is as a new customer. That's it.
B) You seem to not comprehend that the MANUFACTURER and the DEALER are two different entities.
C) The MANUFACTURER at this stage doesn't want their name bandied about until they have actual product to show. That's fair enough. Their name will be on the product, and It is one we can expect to recognise.
D) The DEALER offers products at prices determined by costs. Same as EVERY other dealer, here on ACF or elsewhere. Is $179 too much for a roll of these things? Yes, I think so. So does the dealer. But its the manufacturer's call what price to put on them. And its the customer's call whether to pay it. Take it up with them.
E) A 50 CENT premium on the carded Paralympics coins is not in my opinion excessive. Nor is $2 on the 5-coin set. Which is why I ordered both.
F) The wording on the page WAS misleading. We pointed that out. It was fixed pretty well instantly. Name another dealer who can be stuffed doing that, after hours mind you, other than perhaps PPH?
I consider myself a reasonable judge of character. Yes, I've made some mistakes... But hey, I actually talk to AJ, so is that a plus or a minus? ;) Based on a very long telephone conversation (check the time stamps) and things which were said and done during said conversation, I heard no warning bells like I've had with so many allegedly reputable dealers out there.
I like who I like, and I support those I like. I visit and buy from Adam regularly. I buy from PPH when I can afford it. I like Steele and even sometimes buy from him. And I like Ron so far. I expect I will continue to like him after we meet on the weekend. Come to the ANDA show and you can meet him too. Or ring him tomorrow and conduct your own survey.
You should all know by now that I have no problem calling out scumbags. I lodged two complaints with Woolies today about store managers with their heads firmly up their nether regions, and I have met plenty of dealers who I wouldn't trade with if my life depended on it. If I think someone is dodgy, I have no problem saying so. Ask me about the shop I was in this afternoon that has to be THE worst one in Melbourne. :P
The only problem I've seen here so far is some of the prejudice being shown by you guys. Wise up. :P
gouging at it's worst
QuoteYou seem to not comprehend that the MANUFACTURER and the DEALER are two different entities.
I would think that many of us here are reasonably certain as to who the manufacturer is and that Ron is possibly just one of his retailers.
This doesn't alter the fact that this Roll issue is pretty much a scam and that there is a high probability some shenanigans are involved with the procurement of the coins being used here :ok:
Why is it when some "Home Brand" PNC is found on the market it is treated with widespread distain and yet you feel that these rolls are "Kosher" ?
Quote from: 'trout' pid='95606' dateline='1472129718'you feel that these rolls are "Kosher" ?
Where did I say that?
I don't think they're kosher at all, actually. I can, and do, roll my own coins and could easily use black paper instead of white and turn out something similar. So could you.
However, neither of us has access to UNC coins unless we open bags. Which ARE mint product, so there is no rational reason to do that.
The manufacturer has done a deal with the Mint to get a supply of coins. The deal is almost certainly dodgy. Not because of the manufacturer, any more than the deals with Woolies and News Ltd were dodgy from the companies standpoints. But rather from the Mint's end. They have told multiple differing stories, all of which appear suspect in one way or another.
Whether they have produced extra coins, repurposed coins intended for packs, or shorted Woolies, it is clear that what has happened is not what we were told would happen. And yes, that's dodgy. And I don't like it.
But...Is it reasonable to take out the Mint's failings on a manufacturer? Tell me that if they came to you and offered you a bulk quantity of coin you wouldn't take them up on it? I would, and so would you. And after paying for the coins, and the costs of the equipment and supplies to manufacture the rolls, dealer margins and so on, not to mention making an actual profit, that the price wouldn't end up in the same region?
How is this different to PP making up albums and pages? Or any of the private producers of PNCs? Or the private mints for that matter? If you're going to tar one, you have to tar them all with the same brush.
Me, I do hold these products in disdain, yes
(well, maybe not the albums and pages...). I wouldn't buy them. But as long as they're not misrepresented, I have no problem with them existing. If others want to buy them, that's not my problem, just like its not my problem when they buy overpriced RAM and PM junk.
Now, if the rolls were wrapped in RAM paper, or Armaguard paper for that matter, that would be another story. Or if the coins were fakes. Or if the rolls contained other than Olympic coins. Then it would be fraud. But none of that is the case here, so why should I take out my personal preferences on either the dealer or manufacturer?
All is good Fulvio Old Mate, My job here is done .
I figured that I would get far more information out of you by pissing you off than just asking nicely :diablo::)
I don't understand all this sorry, about the manufacturer and pre orders because they haven't made them yet or something very strange so I hope the buys actually get what they pay for and as we all know you don't have to sell for more than what a manufacturer wants if we want to sell something as it's called wearing a loss (that's if you really want to sell) and the add is still misleading on the main page as the seller just added another line from the original. I will LMFAO if people actually open these "mint rolls" and find that the coins that are meant to be there aren't there and that is very likely with no guarantee with a "manufacturer" that operates like this and doesn't want to be known :dodgy: And I can't see how PP folders are ANYTHING like this joke, very sad indeed :dash1: PP isn't saying the folders are a mint product to start.
But hey, I actually talk to AJ, so is that a plus or a minus? ;)
:scratch_one-s_head: I'm not sure so I suppose it depends on how you look at things :blink:
This is all just way too suss and to much secret squirrel stuff going on for my liking and I can see this is going nowhere and is gonna end bad as so many of our conversation like this do so please play nice :friends:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='95611' dateline='1472131861'I figured that I would get far more information out of you by pissing you off than just asking nicely
ROFL! :stinker:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='95614' dateline='1472132510'isn't saying the folders are a mint product to start.
Nobody said they're a mint product. Quite the opposite.
As for not announcing who is making them, that's like every product launch I've ever seen. All is revealed in the end. Remember the Optus launch? We had months and months of mysterious "Yes" ads and absolutely no clue of who or what it was. Everybody who knew was sworn to secrecy until the big day. This is no different.
Suppose the manufacturer turns out to be Downies. Or Walter
(No, its probably neither of them, just picking examples at random). Would your opinion change? Of course it would. All I'm saying is don't pre-judge when you don't have all the information, that's all.
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='95618' dateline='1472135113'Nobody said they're a mint product. Quite the opposite.
Well, I snipped these 2 images (which I've combined) from the same site that I got one of them from yesterday, and these images would certainly be enough to ensure that any purchaser would reasonably believe that they
were a RAM product.
After seeing this and knowing that the member responsible is aware of the concerns raised here, and the wording in question in the 'advertisement' has
not been changed, there is no way I'm going to be conned into buying anything off this mob. I don't care how much explanation is hidden elsewhere in small writing, the deceptive practice is enough to bring up a huge red flag.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10007/RAM_Rolls_v4.jpg)
I am a little confused (just waiting ...) by terminology.
https://eshop.ramint.gov.au/ALLOCATION-EXHAUSTED-2016-Australian-Olympic-Team-Program/510928.aspx
So the allocation of the Olympic set is exhausted but the stated mintage is unlimited. Is that just code for the RAM waiting to see what the take-up is like and producing more?
Bit of a delay too with the Paralympic folder?
https://eshop.ramint.gov.au/Australian-Paralympic-Team/510954.aspx
Pedro
QuoteSuppose the manufacturer turns out to be Downies. Or Walter
It wouldn't matter who is responsible for making these, They are a scam and I highly doubt that Walter would scoop down to this sort of malarkey, not so sure about Downies tho :angel:
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='95626' dateline='1472160800'certainly be enough to ensure that any purchaser would reasonably believe that they were a RAM product.
Sorry, I'm confused.
You post a pic of a RAM roll and a claim that they sell RAM rolls and you think this is somehow indicative of a scam???
HUH?
This is a bit like a car yard that sells both new and used cars having a sign that says 'New Cars', and you post a pic of a new car saying its a scam cos they also have used cars.
Maybe its too early in the morning, but I don't get it. :dodgy:
Trout, doubt both suggestions mate as the pyramid selling has been in full swing this week
Downies make their own sales and don't use social media like facebook to promote and sell a 'private' issue that is 'certified' and you can grab the bargain now for $100 below "RRP"of $995 BUT you must pre-order right now with a $200 deposit RIGHT now and yes, as posted by a member - if you have missed out on this rushed 'pre-order' discounted post , you can go to commcoinage and order the 'more exy' set but at the RRP for the thousand dollars
I am angry as
I think that sales method is distributed across individuals
there are NO photos of the product
NO detail of the so called manufacturer
no advertising or endorsement as yet by the RAM
500 rolls - is that in toto for the 500 sets or 100 sets of 5 colours?
yet there are also 500 rolls of the para coins - so effectively there are 1,000 para rolls ?
all of this limited edition
çustomers are buying a story line - no more no less - trust me darling mentality
I have no issue with commcoinage being a member - dealers are always welcome
I do have issue Fulvio actively going out of his way with the promotion for selling of a 'private' issue of the olympic coins in rolls for over 3 times the value of a circulation issue coin through a single 'dealership' as the bloke is a mate of his
I do have issue with the fact that in this forum buying selling and swapping is supposed to be állowed' after 50 posts
And i was under the impression that was for all members regardless to them being a dealer who has been a member for a year and half and made 3 posts in that time.
you can work overtime Fulvio to rationalise your position but the bottom line is that you have cheerfully promoted the sale of the olympic coins in a non-official private issue to the members here at more than 3 times their value so that some so called 'unnamed manufacturer/dealer' can pay off his newly acquired rolling machine at the expense of the naive coin collectors ???????????
get off the F*** grass mate
Oh I have to buy more popcorn.
:) :yahoo:
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='95643' dateline='1472171352'Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='95626' dateline='1472160800'certainly be enough to ensure that any purchaser would reasonably believe that they were a RAM product.
Sorry, I'm confused.
You post a pic of a RAM roll and a claim that they sell RAM rolls and you think this is somehow indicative of a scam???
HUH?
This is a bit like a car yard that sells both new and used cars having a sign that says 'New Cars', and you post a pic of a new car saying its a scam cos they also have used cars.
Maybe its too early in the morning, but I don't get it. :dodgy:
don't hassle Nevol so much Fulvio
Quote from: 'Enlilninlil' pid='95645' dateline='1472172797'Oh I have to buy more popcorn.
:laugh2: good call.
Can I have some please :angel:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='95649' dateline='1472173981'Quote from: 'Enlilninlil' pid='95645' dateline='1472172797'Oh I have to buy more popcorn.
:laugh2: good call.
Can I have some please :angel:
Yeah,i'm confused as well,can i buy these with Bit Coins ? ..and.. can i get the complete un-opened roll slabbed,i should be able to double its value overnite.
On a serious note,i don't think the Olympic Coins will be worth anything above face in the future once the novelty and feeding frenzy dies down.People are already spending them,local TAB owner has removed bag fulls from change over the last Week or so.
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95596' dateline='1472123195'WTF is this then???
The story is, the rolls are being done by a big name supplier who he can't name yet, but whose name WILL be on the rolls. They bought the equipment to roll these up, and are trying to recover the cost obviously. We both agreed the price is too steep in our opinions, but the customers seem to disagree, and they're selling like hotcakes
You are promoting this Fulvio while claiming to be an objective bystander
I am afraid that if you can't dazzle them with brilliance
you can at least try to baffle them with bull mate
and at this moment in time I reckon you are bloody well full of it
.
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='95654' dateline='1472176187'Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='95649' dateline='1472173981'Quote from: 'Enlilninlil' pid='95645' dateline='1472172797'Oh I have to buy more popcorn.
:laugh2: good call.
Can I have some please :angel:
Yeah,i'm confused as well,can i buy these with Bit Coins ? ..and.. can i get the complete un-opened roll slabbed,i should be able to double its value overnite.
On a serious note,i don't think the Olympic Coins will be worth anything above face in the future once the novelty and feeding frenzy dies down.People are already spending them,local TAB owner has removed bag fulls from change over the last Week or so.
Basil you will be pleasantly shocked when you arrive in the future and see these 2016 Olympic coins selling for $10+ each as a minimum.
Search 2016 Olympic coins of the world and you will not find anything as collectable/beautiful as the coins issued by RAMINT.
And because these coins have been difficult to acquire their value will increase dramatically!
Nowhere else on this planet will you find coins such as these depicting the five Olympic rings.
RAMINT has had a major coup here, perhaps even greater than the 2013 Coronation $2 coin.
Time will tell.
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95644' dateline='1472172564'I do have issue Fulvio actively going out of his way with the promotion
I've done no such thing!See? I can use big letters too. :P
I asked questions. Questions which YOU could have rung up and asked yourself. I reported the answers. I got flamed. I explained why the answers made sense to me. And I'm still having to defend myself.
This is NOT cool! :PI call 'em as I see 'em. If somebody else working off the same information comes to a different conclusion, that's fine. We're all different. But when I get attacked by people who do NOT have the information first hand and have made no attempt to get it, well, that gets right up my nose.
Again, I don't have a horse in this race. I have bought some product, in the form of mint cards and mint bags, and I think I got looked after rather well, both price-wise and delivery arrangements. I will be meeting up at ANDA tomorrow, since I'm working there, and I will try and get more information about the manufacturer. If I can't get that, that's fine, because unlike people who've never been in the commercial world, I understand concepts like embargoes and non-disclosure agreements. When the actual products are available, they will have the name on them anyway, so I really don't care. Not like I'm going to be buying any after all. And neither are any of you lot. So why the angst?
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='95654' dateline='1472176187'On a serious note,i don't think the Olympic Coins will be worth anything above face
Yes and no. They're not going to be Coronations or Poppies, but they're not going to be standards either. I'd put the long term value at maybe double face, assuming UNC condition.
And yes, the hype will die, like it always does. But something new will come along to take its place.
Oh, and just to get back o topic for a sec, my spies tell me that there will be bags of all colours in the tills on Monday till they run out. Apparently the stingier stores are still sitting on stuff they didn't hand out before the new week started, and they've ben told to get rid of them.
Hopefully I'll get a couple of bags to plug gaps. :)
Fulvio there is no embargo/non-disclosure agreement on these rolls.
Contact Michael Cotton of Cotton and Co and he will happily confirm what you are trying so hard to conceal!
Showing your true colours here mate!
FOR NEVOL
Nancy I also have a direct communication path with the HEAd of Promotions at Woolworths Karen Madeen.
I would also like her to read some of Fulvio's claims especially his post #497.
Please advise.
i was told today by a local woolies staff member (just about an hour ago) that the the store had a heap of the bags to give out the coins this week
one front end staff member 'bought' the boxed lot so the customers won't be seeing a single coin
i said to him, i guess I will have to buy them on ebay if i want some
he said - think so
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95666' dateline='1472185562'one front end staff member 'bought' the boxed lot so the customers won't be seeing a single coin
Why does this not surprise me at all?
I actually expected much more of it, TBH. But other than the sacks that were put on ebay early, and now this, there's been little evidence of it happening.
Should suss FB and see who's selling these "rolls" and the same a bulk slabs as there's more doing it now :dash1:
I haven't been on for a few days but maybe I should look a bit more often to keep up with all the local goss and see who's doing what , a lot of suss things going on everywhere and I can't see any of this helping coin collecting and if anything it will be bad in the long run when people work out they're being ripped off, very sad :(
These rolls are being produced my Michael Cotton of 20,000 slabs fame and are being marketed through various sellers/dealers.
From what I know they are in a black paper roll with Cottons insignia on it with some holographic sticker.
They are NOT a RAM product and the ads have now been "Vetted" so as not to associate these with RAM, The earlier ads by certain sellers DID suggest that these were RAM items But not anymore.
The story is that these coins were sourced via buying the 5 coin sets and the carded parra coins from RAM, If this is true or not we will never know.
As far as I am aware Fulvio has absolutely NOTHING to do with the production or marketing of these Third party horrors, All he did was to let us know what the state of play was regarding these rolls as he knew it at the time.
NO point in shooting the messenger :ok:
While I am on this subject.
I find the use of the RAM images in the listings/ads for these third party rolls is highly suggestive/deceptive that they are indeed an official RAM product and that they are being used exactly for that purpose.
These rolls may not be illegal But the concept and marketing of these is very wrong on so many levels :dodgy:
Thought I'd suss it out but looks like they're still there but some have "sold out" on them now.
https://commcoinage.com/65-mint-rolls-security-bags?id_category=65&n=19
I assume that this company has a business agreement with the Royal Australian Mint, opportunity seen and taken! I wonder what criteria needs to be filled to qualify, would a Coin Co-op be out of the question? :scratch_one-s_head:
What are you gonna start a coin co-op Robster :blink:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='95711' dateline='1472237347'..... with some holographic sticker.....
This is interesting -see the image.We could all get stickers made. (http://www.mystickers.com.au/)
The mind boggles :shok:.
Make any stickers you like, now there's a plan! Nothing like "official" mint product.
Pedro
:laugh2: looks like AJPCGS might have to get some stickers so the slabs look all professional :blush2:
And learn to grade too.
I have looked and looked and can't find your fee schedule. Do you have a special fee for endorsing a submitter nominated grade?
:laugh2: Thanks mate I just wet myself :blink:
Mate I'll put what ever you want on the slab..for a very modest fee of course :D But because it's you, you can have a few freebies :friends:
Gee I'll even put that a standard $1 is gold if you like :mocking:
This is a one man operation but I'll make out like I have others working for me or talk about myself as a third person :winkextra:
You're a good man and obviously a quick learner. Next thing is a takeover and a branch in Port Macquarie.
:mocking: good to see your on the ball and knew exactly what I was talking about :winkextra:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='95731' dateline='1472253351':laugh2: looks like AJPCGS might have to get some stickers so the slabs look all professional :blush2:
Dodgy Bros. don't like competition AJ.,there is only room for one cut price 'Slabber' on this Forum...LOL.
You guys crack me up. This forum is fun on so many levels lol.
Mike
Yes I should be careful or I'll have the legal eagles visiting me :winkextra:
Yes a lot of good sports here BM :friends: And a few undesirables..like me :angel:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='95743' dateline='1472259227'Yes I should be careful or I'll have the legal eagles visiting me :winkextra::
We exclusively use the Beagle Boys for all our 'legal' work....
Sounds like a reputable lot, I might have to get their number off ya Basil.
I think McDuck uses them too.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8TQaFle_szY/U7nnKnMDT9I/AAAAAAAAMHk/TR6fBhcTtMA/s1600/InContract.jpg)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='95711' dateline='1472237347'These rolls are being produced my Michael Cotton of 20,000 slabs fame and are being marketed through various sellers/dealers.
From what I know they are in a black paper roll with Cottons insignia on it with some holographic sticker.
They are NOT a RAM product and the ads have now been "Vetted" so as not to associate these with RAM, The earlier ads by certain sellers DID suggest that these were RAM items But not anymore.
The story is that these coins were sourced via buying the 5 coin sets and the carded parra coins from RAM, If this is true or not we will never know.
As far as I am aware Fulvio has absolutely NOTHING to do with the production or marketing of these Third party horrors, All he did was to let us know what the state of play was regarding these rolls as he knew it at the time.
NO point in shooting the messenger :ok:
While I am on this subject.
I find the use of the RAM images in the listings/ads for these third party rolls is highly suggestive/deceptive that they are indeed an official RAM product and that they are being used exactly for that purpose.
These rolls may not be illegal But the concept and marketing of these is very wrong on so many levels :dodgy:
am I surprised? NOPE
yes, my copy of a post selling them on 'pre-order' has it specified that they were made through a special arrangement with the RAM
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='95724' dateline='1472249739'Quote from: 'trout' pid='95711' dateline='1472237347'..... with some holographic sticker.....
This is interesting -see the image.We could all get stickers made. (http://www.mystickers.com.au/)
i might order me a bunch of those royal australian mint ones
or perhaps royal robbies mint ?
Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='95573' dateline='1472114465'I can assure members here that RAMINT and Woolworths are currentlly investigating Ron B and commcoinage.com
Full name, address and contact info of the web site owner has been presented to RAMINT.
i missed seeing this Sulla
appreciated
woolworths as i understand it invested a lot into the partnership
most unfortunate that their staff or distributors sabotaged the real time capability of getting the coins out to the general public
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='95253' dateline='1471780534'Guys, I have some of these Olympic coins... I think I have black, Yellow and Red... no interest in the coins... let me know if you need one.. (I think I have 2 each)... PM me your address and I can send you a coin...
thank-you little coin pal :)
i now have a complete row of blacks (and extras!!) - too cool xxx
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/thank_you_multicultural.gif)
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95778' dateline='1472295238'Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='95253' dateline='1471780534'Guys, I have some of these Olympic coins... I think I have black, Yellow and Red... no interest in the coins... let me know if you need one.. (I think I have 2 each)... PM me your address and I can send you a coin...
thank-you little coin pal :)
i now have a complete row of blacks (and extras!!) - too cool xxx
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/thank_you_multicultural.gif)
No worries at all RG... I am glad you liked it... :wavemulticolor:
more than liked mate
it's bloody marvelous!
just so spontaneous
very nice indeed thanks heaps
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='95724' dateline='1472249739'We could all get stickers made.
Holographic images are not that hard to make.
All you need is a model of some sort, a laser and a beam splitter. Although producing a security hologram from the image is a little more involved. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_hologram
Forging one is a whole 'nuther can of worms though, which is why they're so successful. ;)
Don't you think it is a bit cheeky putting a security hologram on product that isn't your own all except the wrapping :angel:
my daughter is not a coin collector but she knows I am
she sent me this from a facebook page last night
so it appears that the limited worldwide 'mintage' might depend on who'se selling website you're on! 500 or maybe 250 ?
https://www.facebook.com/bulliondeposit/photos/a.1655165668057895.1073741827.1655163341391461/1781882368719557/?type=3&theater
https://bulliondeposit.com.au/product/2016-set-of-2-olympic-paralympic-coins-in-rolls-limited-to-250-worldwide/
https://commcoinage.com/mint-rolls-security-bags/1740-2016-2-rolls-containing-olympic-uncirculated-coins-set-of-six-6-rolls.html
Quote from: 'trout' pid='95809' dateline='1472336334'Don't you think it is a bit cheeky putting a security hologram on product that isn't your own all except the wrapping :angel:
Not if the only thing you're actually selling IS the wrapping.
Look at PCGS. What does the hologram tell you? That PCGS made the coin? Of course not.
i am going to get me some
i like them
packaged EXCLUSIVELY at Robbie's Royal Mint or The Royal Robbie Mint - holographic sticker and catalouge number assures you that this is an authentic product
i love it - at $200 for a thousand i think it's a tad cheaper than my business cards ... maybe?
anyways I like ém a lot
:scratch_one-s_head: funny how some are selling for $900 and others are selling for $999 and how many sellers there are for this AMAZING "presale" offer. Nice ploy to find out how many to wrap up and some of the suss sale techniques like "a collectors dream", no a collectors dream is to get nice coins we can actually admire be it in a 2x2 or a slab because who'd want to pay this extravagant amount for "specially" sealed rolls. So with every man and his dog selling these "exclusive" rolls who's making all the money :dodgy:
Taken from the bullion site:
Price Includes GST for Australian Clients
PRE-ORDER YOUR SET NOW – Available from 12th September 2016
Roll Pictures to be Released just before official Release Date
2016 $2 Paralympic & Olympic Coins in Certified UNC Rolls – 25 Coins per Roll
– Exclusive 6 (six) Roll Set – Only 250 Made of Each Roll with the Exception of the Paralympic which has 500 Rolls Made
– Limited Edition – Select Distributors ONLY
– Set of 6 Individually and Matching Numbered Black Rolls with HOLOGRAM SEAL
– ALL Rolls in a Set have the corresponding Edition Numbers
– Rolls of Certified Uncirculated Australian Paralympic and Olympic $2 Coloured Coins
25 x $2 Coins per Roll
Available from 12/09/2016
ALUMINIUM BRONZE & ENAMEL – Legal Tender, Uncirculated
Taken from bullion site facebook page:
EXCLUSIVE 6 (six) Roll Set of $2 Olympic & Paralympic Coins - Individual and Matching Numbered Black Rolls of 25 $2 coins per roll (150 $2 Coins in Total) with magnificent HOLOGRAM SEAL.
ONLY 250 Six Roll Sets available worldwide through a very select distributor group, and Bullion Deposit Australia has secured 50 of the sets which are now available for Pre-Order.
Taken from commcoinage:
Exclusively Rolled by Private Company
Holographic Security Label
Black Wrapper with Company Logo
No More than 500 Rolls
Matching Numbers
All Six Rolls Black, Blue, Red, Yellow, Green and Multicoloured Paralympic
This was taken from one of the facebook pages selling them:
New ( Pre Order ) Don't Miss Out !!
Limited Edition Rolls 2016 $2 Coins
Olympic Games ( All Colours ) Plus Para
Numbered & Certified with holographic seal ( on there way for pre - sale )
More details shortly
Just waiting on pictures !!
RRP Price Per Set $999 Of 6 Rolls
But Think We Can Beat That
Price For Our Group Will Be $899 That Includes You Delivery
I Will Have 7 Complete Sets Spare For Our Page Only ( Which Is Only 7 Members )
If More Become Available I'll Let You Know On This Listing
Each Member Will Receive The 6 Complete Sealed & Numbered Rolls With Holographic Seals
These Will Skyrocket In Price !!
There Will Only Be 250 To 300 Sets Released ( Australia Wide ) Well World Wide
The Coins Are Fully Uncirculated
Orders Can Be Taken (Now)
With A $200 Deposit
Rolls Will Be Released Between The 13th And The 20th Of September
And All Payments To Be Paid Before This Date To Be Released
So how many rolls are actually being done, 250, 300 or 500 and is that for each dealer :huh: and pretty good for $300 face value and I wouldn't be happy if I was trying to sell them for $999 a set when others are selling for $899 :dash1:
Ok end of today's rant sorry :angel:
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='95821' dateline='1472349503'Quote from: 'trout' pid='95809' dateline='1472336334'Don't you think it is a bit cheeky putting a security hologram on product that isn't your own all except the wrapping :angel:
Not if the only thing you're actually selling IS the wrapping.
Look at PCGS. What does the hologram tell you? That PCGS made the coin? Of course not.
WOW $600 for a few bits of "black" paper and 6 sticker, and I don't think you can compare that with pcgs that is giving you their thoughts on a grade of a coin..I see what your getting at but it's not the same sorry :angel:
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95822' dateline='1472350308'i am going to get me some
i like them
packaged EXCLUSIVELY at Robbie's Royal Mint or The Royal Robbie Mint - holographic sticker and catalouge number assures you that this is an authentic product
i love it - at $200 for a thousand i think it's a tad cheaper than my business cards ... maybe?
anyways I like ém a lot
:yahoo: Maybe we can combine RRM with AJPCGS and make a killin RG :friends:
lets do it possum
we can have the exclusive AJPCGS Bubble patented 20 cents - packaged in the EXCLUSIVE Robbie's Royal Mint holographic slab - limited production numbers available so pre-order NOW and don't miss out on this investment opportunity
I'm with ya
then we can add Roozilla to the pre-order options
all jokes aside some dealerships have always packaged coin lines i.e. Sherwoods' coin sets which are quite collectable now , Downies coin sets or single packs
but at least those dealerships
1. clearly advertise their ownership of the product packaging and have their business name on the packaging
2. have photographs of the said items
No smoke and mirrors, 'no invisible private company', no claim to limited "mintage" when in this case there is some evidence of manufacturers production numbers varying across seller sites. Who the hell is the customer sending their pre-order money to?????
anyways, collectors are treated as fools by some and sadly ALL of the coloured $2 coins are the epitome of this
and yep, I have been sucked in too
pity
anyways the hubby picked up some para + 2 greens last night from a nice checkout chick when he went to get me some decaff coffee at 10 pm
she had a bag but absolutely refused to hand over a bag "not allowed to give them out" it's norti, so the hubby asked about where the norti checkout chicks are so that he could get a bag complete! ha ha
i have enjoyed the fun of the checkout collection and I am sure that thousands of other aussies have as well
i'll keep my checkout coins but be getting rid of the rest that i have accumulated over the years
Mini rolls of 10 coins (for those with limited space), wrapped in colours to match the coins! Only one set will be available so price will be huge! :angel:
:blush:
:laugh2: love both comments :)
Gee it's sounding like a good plan RG, just have to get the go ahead from the mother company "TTM" The Trout Mint but I can't see that being a problem :D
no probs
we can be a little sister and little brother company
TTM is delighted to announce the new private partnership with RRMAJPCGS and the release of the limited edition Robster mini rolls holographic BLUE wrap - don't be tricked by the black wrap mob ha ha
i can see the headlines now ha ha
off to the markets a bit late in the day but will be nice to get out into the real world after being home sick for so damn long
xx see ya later
:laugh2: with so many letters we might have to come up with a new name or we'll have to make over sized slabs to get all the name on them.
Have a lovely day :)
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='95841' dateline='1472357959'with so many letters we might have to come up with a new name
ALPHABET!
No, wait, that's been done already. :(
What might work is an acronym -they can be very effective for company identity and promotion. You only have one vowel in your initials so that makes it hard. And, way too long.
It needs to be simple and short so prospective customers will easily remember it. It also need to include your brand; not just who you are but what you do. That way the customer will, not only remember you, but associate it with your services and products.
You need some expert advice and I recommend you consult Unicorn & Associates (https://www.australian-coins.net/member.php?action=profile&uid=1067) who are very experienced at this.
Meanwhile, here is a sample of the way I am thinking;
Coins -Robbeigal and Ausjack, the Professionals!
Short, simple, defines your brand and memorable.
Happy to be of help.
P.S. Where do I send the bill for the advice?
cool thanks :yahoo:
i reckon that advice is worth say 2 Limited edition Robster Rolls
express delivery too
:laugh2: ..... Jeff!
I love Robster Rolls, so put another coin in the jukebox baby .....
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: I didn't think it was possible but I think you've out done ya self this time Jeff..what a bloody ripper mate :yahoo: With that one I'm not sure if we need to contact Unicorn & Associates but then it might be worth a shot :) Anyway I thought you were and Associate or your now separating your self from such a "trouble maker" :mocking: and going out on your own :winkextra:
Sorry, I have exceeded my authority -I fully expect Unicorn to sack me post haste.
Ok due to firm business advice we have decided to go ahead with the name change so please feel free to place orders for your new CRAP slabs :angel:
I hope this doesn't leave a shitty taste in anyone's mouth :blink:
Please put me number one on your mailing list for special offers. My user name is "smells like violets".
P.S. Has your partner approved the new name? I am not sure you have had time for a meeting.
Sorry but it is not the warpping that is being sold.
What is being sold are allegedly UNC coins in a black wrapper with a hologram.
Why add a hologram?
Well holograms have been appearing on more and more products in the recent years.
e.g.
Computer software
Hard drives
Pharmaceuticals
and a host of other products which are trying to convince the consumer that what they have purchased is genuine and not a fake, copy etc.
So why would a company "hologram" a paper roll of Olympic coins?
Perhaps to add "authenticity", (autneticity to what?), perhaps to increase the "perceived" value of the item.
Under current circumstances (imo) the only reason a hologram would be added would be to "add" some perceived value to an unremarkable product being offered to an unsophisticated potential buyer.
The possibilty of fraud escalates here. Why? Well if I open the hologrsmmed roll I will lose that "preceived" value why I?
Oh! It has a hologram therefore it must be genuine.
Genuine what?
Snake oil salesmen are here because no-one is selling "wrapping"; the actual product is that which is wrapped and the black wrapping and hologram have been added to try add additional value to what really is an intrinsically low value item. i.e. a coin with a face value of $2.
It is mutton dressed a lamb.
To suggest that a buyer is purchasing a wrapper is not only an insult but also a derogatory statement aimed at every collector of coins.
With a PCGS hologrammed item the purchaser is receivng a guarantee that the item is genuine as asessed by PCGS.
With these black wrappers what is in fact the hologram stating?
SFA!
True colours have been shown again and again in this thread.
Search forum posts and it is easily seen that pure collecting is not the motive of some major contributors to this thread and forum.
Collecting for profit is the motive.
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='95876' dateline='1472373571'I am not sure you have had time for a meeting.
I can see a "Flight of the Conchords" moment coming in here ....... Where's Murray when you need him .....
Yes it's all good because she'll do as she's told :mocking: and of course your first on the list Jeff :friends:
:scratch_one-s_head: But I was thinking maybe
CARP but then thought that might be a bit fishy :dodgy: :angel:
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='95878' dateline='1472373918'Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='95876' dateline='1472373571'I am not sure you have had time for a meeting.
I can see a "Flight of the Conchords" moment coming in here ....... Where's Murray when you need him .....
Remember I know where you live :zomby: :mocking: :angel:
All jokes RG :give_rose:
We can be the dynamic duo, I'll be Batman and you can be Robyn :winkextra:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='95879' dateline='1472374049'you can be Robyn
RG = Robyn of Gotham. :angel:
That's the one Fulvio :good:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='95879' dateline='1472374049'Remember I know where you live :zomby: :mocking: :angel:
:laugh2: ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLvnyOkOEOs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLvnyOkOEOs)
hey I hadn't realized what the business acronym was!!
errrmm with respect to
"it's all good because she'll do as she's told and of course your first on the list Jeff "
hummmm i haven't been a manager for the last decade by being totally nice you know .... boy ó
ha ha
ps got my swimmer 5 coin folder off ebay
arrived in perfect condition and only $5 over the original retail and that included signature on delivery post
so very áppy
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='95888' dateline='1472380119'Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='95879' dateline='1472374049'Remember I know where you live :zomby: :mocking: :angel:
:laugh2: ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLvnyOkOEOs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLvnyOkOEOs)
:laugh2: no comment :angel: :friends:
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95889' dateline='1472380311'hey I hadn't realized what the business acronym was!!
errrmm with respect to
"it's all good because she'll do as she's told and of course your first on the list Jeff "
hummmm i haven't been a manager for the last decade by being totally nice you know .... boy
ha ha
:laugh2: now now sweetheart no need to be like that :angel: you knows I loves ya :give_heart: The "boy" comment reminded me of this :mocking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TXoGjYO7TY
Yes there's some very funny and quick witted people on here that's for sure and love some of the stuff some come up with, makes me near fall of my chair sometimes, I love you lot :friends:
OMG AJ
Are you speechless ha ha (your post is empty!!)
look who is in charge now
ha ha
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='95888' dateline='1472380119'Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='95879' dateline='1472374049'Remember I know where you live :zomby: :mocking: :angel:
:laugh2: ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLvnyOkOEOs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLvnyOkOEOs)
:laugh2: no comment :angel: :friends:
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95889' dateline='1472380311'hey I hadn't realized what the business acronym was!!
errrmm with respect to
"it's all good because she'll do as she's told and of course your first on the list Jeff "
hummmm i haven't been a manager for the last decade by being totally nice you know .... boy
ha ha
:laugh2: now now sweetheart no need to be like that :angel: you knows I loves ya :give_heart: The "boy" comment reminded me of this :mocking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TXoGjYO7TY
Yes there's some very funny and quick witted people on here that's for sure and love some of the stuff some come up with, makes me near fall of my chair sometimes, I love you lot :friends:
i think yer puter is playing up matie
post is empty again
:scratch_one-s_head: gee I don't know what's going on but I did comment.
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='95888' dateline='1472380119'Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='95879' dateline='1472374049'Remember I know where you live :zomby: :mocking: :angel:
:laugh2: ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLvnyOkOEOs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLvnyOkOEOs)
:laugh2: no comment :angel: :friends:
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='95889' dateline='1472380311'hey I hadn't realized what the business acronym was!!
errrmm with respect to
"it's all good because she'll do as she's told and of course your first on the list Jeff "
hummmm i haven't been a manager for the last decade by being totally nice you know .... boy ó
ha ha
:laugh2: now now sweetheart no need to be like that :angel: you knows I loves ya :give_heart: The "boy" comment reminded me of this :mocking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TXoGjYO7TY
Yes there's some very funny and quick witted people on here that's for sure and love some of the stuff some come up with, makes me near fall of my chair sometimes, I love you lot :friends:
I wonder if it was because you added a bit while I was writing, anyway it's all good and I've got it all up now :)
I am thinking that in 6 months time these Olympic coins will be regarded much the same as the last lot of newsgroup 20/25 cent coins are now :angel:
When the first uncoloured "Poppy" coin was released as a circulation coin I was pretty excited and the coloured one from the RSL was pretty special as well.
Then came the first coloured circulating Purple coin which also had my attention.
As more of these coloured coins were released the less I was interested in them and now this latest batch of 6 different coins has pretty much put these into the "Meh" category for Me now.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='95910' dateline='1472385065'latest batch of 6 different coins has pretty much put these into the "Meh" category for Me now.
So what about 50 years of echidna, lyrebird and platypus coins then? Aren't you bored with them too? Not to mention those oh-so-staid predecimals... :P
Has anyone noticed the paralympic folders have the coin slipped in with plastic half covering the coin and the top half free to the elements (that's at the back of the folder on the obv). Doesn't appear to be ideal to leave these in the folder.
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='95951' dateline='1472418208'Quote from: 'trout' pid='95910' dateline='1472385065'latest batch of 6 different coins has pretty much put these into the "Meh" category for Me now.
So what about 50 years of echidna, lyrebird and platypus coins then? Aren't you bored with them too? Not to mention those oh-so-staid predecimals... :P
The standard design decimal coins are collector friendly.
They don't cost an arm and a leg and you don't have to jump through hoops just to acquire them unlike these coloured $2 trinkets, which makes collecting them a pleasing experiance :ok:
There's got to be some fringe benefits for doing the grocery shopping :laugh2:
Pedro
ha ha yep
i reckon Fulvio has gotten to meet almost every checkout chick in Melbourne!!
now that is one way to meet girls!
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='95968' dateline='1472424264'Has anyone noticed the paralympic folders have the coin slipped in with plastic half covering the coin and the top half free to the elements (that's at the back of the folder on the obv). Doesn't appear to be ideal to leave these in the folder.
Heaven forbid that we remove the coins from the folder just to protect the integrity of the coin, after all the folder is the most important thing :angel::laugh2:
The folder is what your paying extra for isn't it.
yeah PP
we notices that the coin isn't even sitting fully in the sleeve
i reckon they could end up similar to the original mint sets from 1966 look - 2/3 coin under the plastic and one third out with subsequent toning (i always get suss of the 1966 sets in the full 1969 onwards sleeves)
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='95976' dateline='1472425770'The folder is what your paying extra for isn't it.
It is when you got the coin designer to sign it. :yahoo:
I haven't seen these yet but if the coin can be removed from the folder I cant see a drama putting the coin in a saflip and storing the folder separately :ok:
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='95981' dateline='1472426924'Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='95976' dateline='1472425770'The folder is what your paying extra for isn't it.
It is when you got the coin designer to sign it. :yahoo:
awww what a good reconnaissance guy!!
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='95981' dateline='1472426924'Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='95976' dateline='1472425770'The folder is what your paying extra for isn't it.
It is when you got the coin designer to sign it. :yahoo:
Excellent, well done PP :)
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='95968' dateline='1472424264'Doesn't appear to be ideal to leave these in the folder.
Its not. One of the reasons I'm talking to plastics manufacturers about Polypropylene films. This 50 thou BOPP sample would do the job nicely, and I could even get it as finished bags of the right size (with a seam up the back, like chip packets) for under ten cents.
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='95981' dateline='1472426924'It is when you got the coin designer to sign it. :yahoo:
I didn't have one for her to sign. So I spent an hour or so talking to her instead. :)
(http://fulvio.jovianprojects.com.au/coins/forum/IMG_0008.JPG)
Didn't get her name, and didn't realise it was covered in the pic. Anybody know? This is Adonis Cox though (odd name for a girl):
(http://fulvio.jovianprojects.com.au/coins/forum/IMG_0009.JPG)
Your camera doesn't have auto focus Fulvio :scratch_one-s_head:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='96003' dateline='1472437564'Your camera doesn't have auto focus Fulvio :scratch_one-s_head:
Actually, its the new iPod, and still had the plastic over the lens. :(
And, in other news...
Ron Black just left here after delivering my order (what a nice man). We had a bit of a chat, and he mentioned the forum member who rang him and abused him over these rolls...
NOT COOL! I won't name the offender, but I wasn't surprised to learn who it was. Lets leave it at that.
Also, you may be interested to know I tripped over a Prosegur crew coming out of Woolies. I expressed some surprise, and said
"I thought Armaguard did all the Woolies deliveries?" to which the reply was
"Not any more". This store had Armaguard bags last week, and this morning it was all standard bank bags and no Olympics at all. Might be something to watch, eh?
Fulvio, Fulvio, Fulvio, we can't take you anywhere can we :)
So do you eat lollies with the paper still on or peal prawns or you eat their wrapping as well :mocking:
well we do have our opinions here and banter and rant, as we do!!!
and we conjuncture our points of view on the morality of the granny bait collecting
being collectors we are naturally more emotive
but that is maybe a bit extreme!
the man is just making a living selling other peoples' coins and products as most dealers do
some dealers choose the 'who' do business with differently, that is all it is I suppose
Yes if things aren't to my liking or I think they're over priced (as most are on my budget) I don't buy them, but I'll still put my two cents worth in :)
QuoteRon Black just left here after delivering my order (what a nice man). We had a bit of a chat, and he mentioned the forum member who rang him and abused him over these rolls... NOT COOL! I won't name the offender, but I wasn't surprised to learn who it was. Lets leave it at that.
:agreed:
If that call had of been made to Mr Cotton or RAM on the other hand :angel:
The parra Olympic carded coins have sold out already on the RAM shop site.
With a mintage of 2 million they vanished rather quickly.
Well what would you expect when "someone" is putting them into rolls :dodgy:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='96101' dateline='1472504016'Well what would you expect when "someone" is putting them into rolls :dodgy:
If that's what happened then that is a pretty ordinary state of affairs.
Pedro
I would think that Mr Cotton would not be adverse to putting $75 worth of coins into one of his wrappers and add $100 to the price :angel:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='96111' dateline='1472512895'I would think that Mr Cotton would not be adverse to putting $75 worth of coins into one of his wrappers and add $100 to the price :angel:
To be fair, he does have other overheads besides the coins themselves. Rolling machines aren't exactly cheap, for starters.
But they might be able to be written of in tax and don't worry I think he'll make a fair profit on his venture and we will see many more rolls to come with other new releases and someone that can afford to send 20,000 coins in one submission isn't short of a dollar.
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='96115' dateline='1472515338'But they might be able to be written of in tax and don't worry I think he'll make a fair profit on his venture and we will see many more rolls to come with other new releases and someone that can afford to send 20,000 coins in one submission isn't short of a dollar.
Oh, absolutely.
What will be interesting to watch will be the prices on future rolls. If this lot were priced to recover capital costs, the price should drop significantly next time. We shall see, eh?
Yes it will be interesting to see what happens over the next few years that's for sure.
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='96112' dateline='1472515090'Quote from: 'trout' pid='96111' dateline='1472512895'I would think that Mr Cotton would not be adverse to putting $75 worth of coins into one of his wrappers and add $100 to the price :angel:
To be fair, he does have other overheads besides the coins themselves. Rolling machines aren't exactly cheap, for starters.
I really don't give a rats arse how much his basement wrapping operation costs him to run.
Next moment you will be telling me how much of a fantastic asset he is to the coin community (NOT) :dodgy:
Quotethe price should drop significantly next time. We shall see, eh?
I suspect "We shall see....NOT" will be the story. Regardless he will likely set price to what the market will bear -after all he is not in the game to minimise profit.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='96119' dateline='1472515844'Next moment you will be telling me how much of a fantastic asset he is to the coin community (NOT) :dodgy:
Nope. In my book, the vast majority of the numismatic industry is dodgy, from the mints down. I have a very few dealers I will support, because they've done the right thing by me, and that's about it.
Why anyone would consider this basement wrapping operation that cotton and Co have going on is a Legitimate business operation is beyond my understanding ??
He is doing what any basement slabber does But because he is doing it large scale it all of a sudden becomes "kosher" , I don't think so !!!
With the likes of "Fortymillion" amongst his distribution network it looks like he has picked the sleazy end of the eBay seller spectrum to distribute these "things" as well
Quote from: 'trout' pid='96124' dateline='1472521789'Why anyone would consider this basement wrapping operation that cotton and Co have going on is a Legitimate business operation is beyond my understanding ??
How is it any less legitimate than Armaguard or Prosegur rolls?
At the end of the day, its just packaging. Anybody can do it. Including you and me. In fact, I did do it, producing my own CoF state coin rolls, remember? I even sold a set, though that was never the intent.
What matters is the contents, not the package. Which is dodgier? A repacked Armaguard roll with rubbish in the middle, or a certified roll made by someone who puts their name to it? If I was in the market, which I should point out I'm not, I would take the certified roll any day.
Note that this has nothing to do with price. As I've said before, the price on these rolls is too high for my liking. That said, I do understand the commercial desire to recover capital costs, so that in itself does not make it dodgy.
What if we were talking about Coronation rolls? Would a $179 Coronation black roll be dodgy compared to a green Prosegur roll? If I sold you one of my rolls, how would you know that I hadn't opened it and replaced the inner coins? What comeback would you have if I did?
I think you need to take a step back and think about this whole issue rationally, and without the underlying assumptions you seem to have. There really is no difference between one commercial enterprise and another. Its what they do and how they do it that separates them.
I didn't realise they were being sold on feebay as well so I had to suss them out. So he has two dealers (that I hadn't heard of before) selling them and people on facebook that are selling for $100 less so if I was one of the lot selling for $999 I'd want to know why I'm paying more than others unless they're just charging more because they're dealers.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2016-SET-6x-2-Olympic-Paralympic-Coins-in-Rolls-ONLY-250-SETS-PREORDER-/162183242075?hash=item25c2dfe15b:g:zSIAAOSw-itXwo5s
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2016-SET-2-Olympic-Paralympic-Coins-in-Rolls-LIMITED-250-HOLOGRAM-PREORDER-/112103590450?hash=item1a19e50a32:g:eYAAAOSwgZ1XuSQK
In my search I also found armor guard rolls so if it was meant to be a woolies only thing why did a secrurity company get coins so they can roll them when woolies got all bags, very odd.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2016-2-ROYAL-AUSTRALIAN-MINT-new-YELLOW-colour-Olympic-coloured-coin-ROLL-UNC-/282135086971?hash=item41b08fc77b:g:k88AAOSw0UdXr7og
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2016-2-ROYAL-AUSTRALIAN-MINT-new-BLACK-colour-Olympic-coloured-coin-ROLL-UNC-/282135109607?hash=item41b0901fe7:g:i5cAAOSwMtxXr8J7
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2016-2-ROYAL-AUSTRALIAN-MINT-new-RED-colour-Olympic-coloured-coin-ROLL-UNC-/272340695530?hash=item3f68c539ea:g:qtgAAOSwIgNXr68y
I also see apcgs has a box of para in the folders so how do these people get them, all very very suss going on's if you ask me. A box of 25 for $549 so that's $21.96 ea
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BOX-OF-25-X-2016-Australian-Olympic-5-COIN-2-Coloured-Set-SOLD-OUT-/322241928494?hash=item4b071d9d2e:g:XA8AAOSwENxXmScY
With 1 hour to go this carded para one is $7.50 so be interesting to see how much it goes for
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Folder-2016-Para-Olympic-2-dollar-coin-2-/262598993493?hash=item3d241ea655:g:6DUAAOSwMgdXw6yU
WTF 590 5 coin carded sets sold and still have some left, this has been a total joke so I wonder if woolies will get sucked in again.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/2016-2-AUSTRALIAN-OLYMPIC-TEAM-COIN-SET-OF-5-COLOURED-UNCIRCULATED-COINS-/262583622190?hash=item3d23341a2e:g:VFsAAOSweXhXl-lr
In a few years if this sort of thing keeps going I think it will only be scumbags and parasites involved with numismatics because sooner or later people/collectors will get sick of all this sort of thing and find other thing to fill in time :dash1:
In the first two links I see 40mill is charging $18 post and the other bloke has free post.
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='96128' dateline='1472523876'In my search I also found armor guard rolls so if it was meant to be a woolies only thing why did a secrurity company get coins so they can roll them when woolies got all bags, very odd.
Nothing odd at all. He took them out of bags and re-rolled them, to prove a point. Read the description.
This backs up my argument rather well, actually. :angel:
QuoteIn a few years if this sort of thing keeps going I think it will only be scumbags and parasites involved with numismatics because sooner or later people/collectors will get sick of all this sort of thing and find other thing to fill in time Dash1
I am getting pretty disenchanted with all the shenanigans over the last few months with the sleazy dealers and also RAM as well.
Maybe I should make up a few rolls of Canberra florins and certify them myself ( that seems to be OK these days) and put a poxy holographic fish on the wrapper.
That way they would be the real deal and Kosher AY :dodgy:
Quote from: 'trout' pid='96131' dateline='1472524995'QuoteIn a few years if this sort of thing keeps going I think it will only be scumbags and parasites involved with numismatics because sooner or later people/collectors will get sick of all this sort of thing and find other thing to fill in time Dash1
I am getting pretty disenchanted with all the shenanigans over the last few months with the sleazy dealers and also RAM as well.
Maybe I should make up a few rolls of Canberra florins and certify them myself ( that seems to be OK these days) and put a poxy holographic fish on the wrapper.
That way they would be the real deal and Kosher AY :dodgy:
Its a new era that's for sure,new breed of Dealers,new breed of snake oil salespeople. I've been a hobby collector of mainly Pre-Dec. since my School days so don't know much about the money making or Pro. side of Numismatics but Social Media has sure brought out the dark side in many people,its just greed and a get rich quick mentality,surely the bubble will burst when the average Punter wakes up to whats going on.
Quote from: 'trout' pid='96131' dateline='1472524995'Maybe I should make up a few rolls of Canberra florins and certify them myself ( that seems to be OK these days) and put a poxy holographic fish on the wrapper.
Sure thing. Go for it. As long as the contents were actually as described, and you stood by them, there would be no problem.
All anyone really has is their reputation when you think of it. We put so much stock in the RAM and the security companies, but I've been shafted by both. My State coin sacks were short about $5 across 18 sacks. I've had Armaguard sacks which were short, and which contained foreign coins. Why should I trust either of them, or anyone else for that matter?
You'd probably be a safer bet I reckon.
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='96130' dateline='1472524931'Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='96128' dateline='1472523876'In my search I also found armor guard rolls so if it was meant to be a woolies only thing why did a secrurity company get coins so they can roll them when woolies got all bags, very odd.
Nothing odd at all. He took them out of bags and re-rolled them, to prove a point. Read the description.
This backs up my argument rather well, actually. :angel:
So does he have a rolling machine or work for armor guard as it doesn't say HE rerolled them :dodgy:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='96136' dateline='1472527432'So does he have a rolling machine or work for armor guard as it doesn't say HE rerolled them :dodgy:
Neither. A rolling machine is not necessary. Want me to show you? I have a dozen empty 5¢ Armaguard wrappers here I can stuff with coins if you like. :)
Quote from: 'trout' pid='96131' dateline='1472524995'QuoteIn a few years if this sort of thing keeps going I think it will only be scumbags and parasites involved with numismatics because sooner or later people/collectors will get sick of all this sort of thing and find other thing to fill in time Dash1
I am getting pretty disenchanted with all the shenanigans over the last few months with the sleazy dealers and also RAM as well.
Maybe I should make up a few rolls of Canberra florins and certify them myself ( that seems to be OK these days) and put a poxy holographic fish on the wrapper.
That way they would be the real deal and Kosher AY :dodgy:
I'll take two :yahoo:
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='96134' dateline='1472526971'Quote from: 'trout' pid='96131' dateline='1472524995'QuoteIn a few years if this sort of thing keeps going I think it will only be scumbags and parasites involved with numismatics because sooner or later people/collectors will get sick of all this sort of thing and find other thing to fill in time Dash1
I am getting pretty disenchanted with all the shenanigans over the last few months with the sleazy dealers and also RAM as well.
Maybe I should make up a few rolls of Canberra florins and certify them myself ( that seems to be OK these days) and put a poxy holographic fish on the wrapper.
That way they would be the real deal and Kosher AY :dodgy:
Its a new era that's for sure,new breed of Dealers,new breed of snake oil salespeople. I've been a hobby collector of mainly Pre-Dec. since my School days so don't know much about the money making or Pro. side of Numismatics but Social Media has sure brought out the dark side in many people,its just greed and a get rich quick mentality,surely the bubble will burst when the average Punter wakes up to whats going on.
I think "social media" is just bad and isn't making for a better society :dodgy:
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='96135' dateline='1472527115'Quote from: 'trout' pid='96131' dateline='1472524995'Maybe I should make up a few rolls of Canberra florins and certify them myself ( that seems to be OK these days) and put a poxy holographic fish on the wrapper.
Sure thing. Go for it. As long as the contents were actually as described, and you stood by them, there would be no problem.
All anyone really has is their reputation when you think of it. We put so much stock in the RAM and the security companies, but I've been shafted by both. My State coin sacks were short about $5 across 18 sacks. I've had Armaguard sacks which were short, and which contained foreign coins. Why should I trust either of them, or anyone else for that matter?
You'd probably be a safer bet I reckon.
:i_agree:
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='96137' dateline='1472527831'Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='96136' dateline='1472527432'So does he have a rolling machine or work for armor guard as it doesn't say HE rerolled them :dodgy:
Neither. A rolling machine is not necessary. Want me to show you? I have a dozen empty 5¢ Armaguard wrappers here I can stuff with coins if you like. :)
Yes I wanna see that :) I couldn't roll one nice and tight with nicely rolled edges if my life depended on it :(
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='96137' dateline='1472527831'A rolling machine is not necessary. Want me to show you? I have a dozen empty 5¢ Armaguard wrappers here I can stuff with coins if you like. :)
Lets lighten the subject a bit here ...... challenge for McDuck, I want to see a heads/heads roll of 2000 mules ...... come on, dig deep into the money bin they have to be in there somewhere. :laugh2:
Are you taking pre-orders (with a deposit) now trout? "Actual Image Soon" so we don't really know what exactly we are committing to buy.
That is what I don't like about the sales pitch but it's quite legal. Plenty of other businesses do the same thing and the RAM has used 'teaser' advertising; even going to the extent of having a Government Minister doing the spruiking.
So, as far as I am concerned, just as on the nose are the Franklin Mint, Bradford Exchange and the companies that have catalogues (featuring 'exclusive' bargains) put into newspapers. Only sensible policy, if you disagree with their methods, is to ignore them. If enough people do that they will be stuck with the product and have to rethink their strategy -if they get enough sales then it is a capitalist market success story.
I am more concerned with some of the dubious (and arguably illegal) practices of banks, insurance companies, health funds and such like.
WWII Unique Penny Collection (http://www.franklinmint.com/wwii-unique-penny-collection/detail.php?p=933050&v=best-sellers) If it's unique (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/unique) how come I can order more than one?
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='96138' dateline='1472527896'Yes I wanna see that :) I couldn't roll one nice and tight with nicely rolled edges if my life depended on it :(
Your wish is my command!
(http://fulvio.jovianprojects.com.au/coins/160830.RerolledCoins/DSC01140.JPG)
(http://fulvio.jovianprojects.com.au/coins/160830.RerolledCoins/DSC01141.JPG)
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='96139' dateline='1472528257'challenge for McDuck, I want to see a heads/heads roll of 2000 mules ...... come on, dig deep into the money bin they have to be in there somewhere. :laugh2:
No can do. I can only find one of them right now. Maybe Goldy can help out though? :)
BTW, the tub in the pics is a standard-issue Aldi tub they sell mushrooms in. Comes in 375g and 500g sizes, and is amazingly useful for noodling. I highly recommend them.
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='96141' dateline='1472528568'I am more concerned with some of the dubious (and arguably illegal) practices of banks, insurance companies, health funds and such like.
I'm 100% with you on that. The way I see it, if people are silly enough to buy rubbish, especially after being warned, that's their problem. When allegedly trusted entities engage in outright scams, that's another thing entirely.
Coin rolling machines don't seem that expensive... Just need a few unemployed people to harass who ever is distributing the coins.. .and get rolling.
Well done, you sly little devil McDuck :shock:
So how many rolls are you gonna do and do you have your hologram stickers on order yet :blush2: :mocking:
I still don't think I couldn't do it.
presto
http://www.sprintquip.com.au/coin-packaging-systems/item/wr500
I can't see the price.
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='96166' dateline='1472546985'presto
http://www.sprintquip.com.au/coin-packaging-systems/item/wr500
Why would you buy one of these when you could get a security company to roll them for you using the paper that you provide them with.
And IF a security company helped to procure the coins in the first place, Cutting them in on the deal makes great sense so as to secure a continuity of supply in the future :angel:
Just throwing some thoughts out here guys :)
dunno
if you have a rolling machine in the spare bedroom , well you can do-it-yourself anytime that you want to
:dodgy:
Try a warm glass of milk or count sheep and your conscience will be clear :)
Extracting coins from rolls?
Why keep the paper?
ha ha
i think my calculations are wrong
but if they aren't i can see why so many people are sooo peeved !!
i got a bit of a shock
but that is factoring - actual sales
lots of dealers have storerooms full of 'for sure deals' from the last 3 decades
remember the famous Tasmanian silver coin - the hot coin of the time
dealers still have them under the counter
I was thinking they were too but it's near enough and getting too late to worry about things like that :lazy2:
Quotebut that is factoring - actual sales
lots of dealers have storerooms full of 'for sure deals' from the last 3 decades
That is hard to happen when you are selling via pre sales, all you have to do is produce enough to cover your orders = NO waste or unwanted extras :angel:
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='96170' dateline='1472547886'I can't see the price.
For what its worth i found a machine for US$1500 from China, might be a junk machine.. but found it interesting.
Edit: Im not suggesting this is indicative of what these proposed rolls could be rolled in.. i neither know or care about rolled coins.
Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='96200' dateline='1472555565'Extracting coins from rolls?
Why keep the paper?
to make up other rolls in the future ?
Quote from: 'LooseChange' pid='96220' dateline='1472569132'Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='96170' dateline='1472547886'I can't see the price.
For what its worth i found a machine for US$1500 from China, might be a junk machine.. but found it interesting.
Edit: Im not suggesting this is indicative of what these proposed rolls could be rolled in.. i neither know or care about rolled coins.
well most things are made in China these days
so it probably goes like the clappers
it's the after sales support that i think can be very important
we have enough mechanically minded people here to make that machine a viable probability for ACF Rolling Inc.
& PP knows where to get the holographic labels
we are almost there guys!! we just need oh say, 75,000 X $2 coins
Oie Fulvio ... where are you ???
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='96239' dateline='1472599941'to make up other rolls in the future ?
BINGO! :)
Quotewe are almost there guys!! we just need oh say, 75,000 X $2 coins
Oie Fulvio ... where are you ???
What, you want to roll my 2013's? Why? :dodgy:
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='96142' dateline='1472529175'Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='96138' dateline='1472527896'Yes I wanna see that :) I couldn't roll one nice and tight with nicely rolled edges if my life depended on it :(
Your wish is my command!
(http://fulvio.jovianprojects.com.au/coins/160830.RerolledCoins/DSC01140.JPG)
(http://fulvio.jovianprojects.com.au/coins/160830.RerolledCoins/DSC01141.JPG)
Just getting back to rolling rolls sorry, how do you do it :huh: do you have some sort of device that helps you as I can't even undo them let alone do them back up like they haven't been touched, yes I'm hopeless..but at least I can admit it :angel:
I really am interested to learn and I sussed youtube but they only fold the ends not roll them.
ok
get your mum to pull out a fine crochet hook and gently unpick the folded end seams of the roll
slide the coins out or bash them out
pop in your fake coins and then get mum to gently place the end seam back into place
oh and don't forget to pop a heads tails coronation $2 at each end
then pop it on ebay ....... or facebook
unless you mean about rolling from scratch
don't know how to do that
maybe a cardboard tube?
Noodlers in the US have been re rolling their rejects and taking them back to the bank for decades.
Yes but they don't actually roll the ends they fold them.
The Americans have the "nice and tight" bit down pat for hand done rolls. They use ready made tubes, shove the coins in and then fold the ends over. It is actually quicker to hand roll from scratch -just needs a bit of practice to get the knack. The secret is to fold the end in when you start rolling as that helps maintain the tension.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10055/Tubes.jpg)
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='96256' dateline='1472604464'get your mum to pull out a fine crochet hook and gently unpick the folded end seams of the roll
slide the coins out or bash them out
I use a dental tool with a flat golf club-like thing on one end and a round burr on the other. I believe they're used for packing fillings. Ask your dentist. :)
An ice cream stick is handy for getting the coins out. Don't crush the tube.
Leave one end intact. Fill the roll. Start by folding the end over all the way round, then fold again, and tuck the end under. It takes a little practice, but its not hard. It also depends whether you're trying to deceive or just store coins more efficiently. It doesn't have to be perfect if its just storage.
To do it from scratch, start with an arrow-shaped piece of paper the same as Armaguard use. Roll it up while using your third hand to hold the coins in, fold over both ends as above, then finish one end. Tap it down to settle the coins and go back and do the other end.
Now that all the fanfare has subsided It is time to watch the prices fall on eBay as the interest falls away on these coins :angel:
I checked a couple of Woollies stores today for zero coins.
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='96361' dateline='1472632467'I checked a couple of Woollies stores today for zero coins.
The promotion is all done and dusted now Bruce and I think you will find that 90% of the coins are now available on eBay :angel:
Managed to pick up a few Paralympics and a green yesterday but that was about the tail of the supplies locally.
Pedro
I am just checking out a few stores and possibly securing more coins/bags to pass on to those that missed out.
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='96372' dateline='1472633739'I am just checking out a few stores and possibly securing more coins/bags to pass on to those that missed out.
Don't bother. They had directions to dump whatever was left on Sun/Mon. Anything they have now has been paid in by customers, and will be rubbish.
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='96374' dateline='1472633818'Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='96372' dateline='1472633739'I am just checking out a few stores and possibly securing more coins/bags to pass on to those that missed out.
Don't bother. They had directions to dump whatever was left on Sun/Mon. Anything they have now has been paid in by customers, and will be rubbish.
Not the case at my local Woolies. On Tue 31/8 I asked for 2x Paralympic coins and was given them out of a bag, but the checkout chick had to look in a 2nd register drawer. I 'had' to get these to accompany the 2 sets sent to me by Jim. I could have had more coins, but I only needed 2.
I didn't get the loose parra coins Nancy because I came away on holiday when they were made available at woolies :(
I did however order some of the carded coins from RAM :good:
QuoteDon't bother. They had directions to dump whatever was left on Sun/Mon. Anything they have now has been paid in by customers, and will be rubbish.
Bags were opened in my local Wooloies yesterday.
I have checked numerous Woollies stores today for three Paralympic coins only.
A woolies employee just posted in the MNS Facebook group that 4 managers (and apparently some staff) have been sacked over the Olympic coins.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1430907327204766/1585422218419942/?notif_t=group_activity¬if_id=1472769294268677
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='96607' dateline='1472783674'A woolies employee just posted in the MNS Facebook group that 4 managers (and apparently some staff) have been sacked over the Olympic coins.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1430907327204766/1585422218419942/?notif_t=group_activity¬if_id=1472769294268677
GOOD :yahoo:
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='96607' dateline='1472783674'A woolies employee just posted in the MNS Facebook group that 4 managers (and apparently some staff) have been sacked over the Olympic coins.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1430907327204766/1585422218419942/?notif_t=group_activity¬if_id=1472769294268677
Why don't you make the page a public page so when members here click on the links they can actually see what the post is :angel:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='96616' dateline='1472784345'Why don't you make the page a public page so when members here click on the links they can actually see what the post is :angel:
For pretty much the same reason ACF isn't public. Its easy enough for people to join the group though, we don't discriminate. We even let YOU in. :angel:
Is there any evidence of the sackings?
A post on farcebook is not necessarily correct.
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='96619' dateline='1472784647'Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='96616' dateline='1472784345'Why don't you make the page a public page so when members here click on the links they can actually see what the post is :angel:
For pretty much the same reason ACF isn't public. Its easy enough for people to join the group though, we don't discriminate. We even let YOU in. :angel:
Every so often we make BIG mistakes that we later regret :angel: :mocking:
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='96620' dateline='1472784708'Is there any evidence of the sackings?
A post on farcebook is not necessarily correct.
Yes I'd want to see a bit of proof other than someone on FB saying something as most is BS :dodgy:
I was able to get 5 Parra's today as they were being passed to me the girl dropped one & it went rolling under the checkout & she put her foot on it to stop it. LOL,
Colours not too good, but another 5 at face that's okay
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='96607' dateline='1472783674'A woolies employee just posted in the MNS Facebook group that 4 managers (and apparently some staff) have been sacked over the Olympic coins.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1430907327204766/1585422218419942/?notif_t=group_activity¬if_id=1472769294268677
hummm
heresay IMO
I don't know why I was worried about my inability to score more than a handful of the new Olympic coins -no Woolies in town doesn't help.
My wife is in charge of the local polling booth and had to go to a training session at Mudgee today (Council elections in NSW this week).
She said she would do some shopping at Woolworths whilst there and asked me if she should try for some $2 coins. I thought slim chance at this late date but said to ask anyway.
Well, she asked and checkout "Chickie Babe" (my politically incorrect expression this week -thanks Robbie) told her that they were informed today they may give out two of those coins per transaction and then offered her two bags. A separate purchase of a packet of biscuits garnered 22 of the coins and a few more purchases two coins each.
Plus one of the new $5 notes in change.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10055/Woolies.jpg)
Wife thinks staff are now just wanting to get rid of these coins as quickly as possible. So keep asking in case some stores are still dispensing hoarded ones.
Well done Mrs Jeff!!!!!
I think the prefix on the $5 might be an abbreviation of "Absolutely Fabulous!!!"
No argument from me.
However I have this feeling there might be a a price to pay for the coins, apart from reimbursing the outlay.
"Excuse me dear, I have a little favour to ask..." All is good (and the favour would still appear, sooner or later, anyway).
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='96960' dateline='1472972829'I don't know why I was worried about my inability to score more than a handful of the new Olympic coins -no Woolies in town doesn't help.
My wife is in charge of the local polling booth and had to go to a training session at Mudgee today (Council elections in NSW this week).
She said she would do some shopping at Woolworths whilst there and asked me if she should try for some $2 coins. I thought slim chance at this late date but said to ask anyway.
Well, she asked and checkout "Chickie Babe" (my politically incorrect expression this week -thanks Robbie) told her that they were informed today they may give out two of those coins per transaction and then offered her two bags. A separate purchase of a packet of biscuits garnered 22 of the coins and a few more purchases two coins each.
Plus one of the new $5 notes in change.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10055/Woolies.jpg)
Wife thinks staff are now just wanting to get rid of these coins as quickly as possible. So keep asking in case some stores are still dispensing hoarded ones.
Wait, the Paralympics ones are circulating too?
The Paralympic coins have been circulating since 22nd August.
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='96960' dateline='1472972829'I don't know why I was worried about my inability to score more than a handful of the new Olympic coins -no Woolies in town doesn't help.
My wife is in charge of the local polling booth and had to go to a training session at Mudgee today (Council elections in NSW this week).
She said she would do some shopping at Woolworths whilst there and asked me if she should try for some $2 coins. I thought slim chance at this late date but said to ask anyway.
Well, she asked and checkout "Chickie Babe" (my politically incorrect expression this week -thanks Robbie) told her that they were informed today they may give out two of those coins per transaction and then offered her two bags. A separate purchase of a packet of biscuits garnered 22 of the coins and a few more purchases two coins each.
Plus one of the new $5 notes in change.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10055/Woolies.jpg)
Wife thinks staff are now just wanting to get rid of these coins as quickly as possible. So keep asking in case some stores are still dispensing hoarded ones.
Time to break out the acetone and make some "rare" paint errors :angel:
fuuny that
the hubby was granted a 'rainbow' coins bag yesterday
i was soooooo jealous
and no he is not giving it to me
even if i give him 50 bucks!!
Oh RG what are we gonna do with you. Just wait and next time he goes somewhere just take it and hide it :mocking: and then play dumb and say "I have no idea what your talking about" :blush2: :angel:
Next time he wants something just ask him if he's ready to deal yet..more than one way to skin a cat mate :friends:
Quotehe is not giving it to me
even if i give him 50 bucks!!
If he put it on eBay he is likely to clear in excess of $100. You need to start thinking market value, not face value.
Or, be very nice to him and keep telling him how lucky he is (lay it on thick) and he might just give you the bag the keep you quite.
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='97016' dateline='1473026092'the hubby is not giving it to me
even if i give him 50 bucks!!
Please RG keep what happens in the bedroom there :angel:
Personally I'd never knock $50 back :blush2: :winkextra:
Oh dear.
Whatever happened to "I wanna be good"?
Well I do :angel: but when opportunity knocks who am I to say no :blush2: Sometimes I really can't help myself :D
I'm sorry :(
Anyway you started it Jeff, my excuse and I'm sticking to it :)
I went to the same woolies just now spent $120
Colored coins ZIP Zlitch Nitch
Aaaaaggggggghhhhhh
I am soooo over these coins!!!!
QuoteAaaaaggggggghhhhhh
I am soooo over these coins!!!!
It doesn't sound like it from that post.
The Olympic coin program with Woolworths ended 10 days ago so why complain?
I went to my local Woolworths on Saturday and asked if there were still Olympic coins left. The lady there was so kind she looked for three counters and only found one black and one faded red/yellow. She said the color on the coins easy to fade.
:dodgy: the "black label" rolls are now out and surprise surprise it is cotton & co but they're still saying pre order.
http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.TRS0&_nkw=2016+%242+Paralympic+coins+in+roll+LIMITED+ED+BLACK+%26+HOLOGRAM+SEAL+PREORDER&_sacat=0
Ya gotta love the BS
(http://i66.tinypic.com/1zlq9ty.png)
Tamper proof seal, lets see if Fulvio can unroll one with out braking the seal and then leave one of the coins on each end but fill it with other coins or washers :mocking:
I must get one of these "machines specially modified for numismatics" :blink:
:swoon: ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QzH4KOf9Bs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QzH4KOf9Bs)
Why is the number so long when there are only 250 sets - more to come? :grin:
Picked up a couple of green Olympic $2s this morning (in no worse condition than the first week they came out) so they are still hanging around.
Pedro
Quote from: 'Pedro' pid='97109' dateline='1473134274'Why is the number so long when there are only 250 sets - more to come? :grin:
Picked up a couple of green Olympic $2s this morning (in no worse condition than the first week they came out) so they are still hanging around.
Pedro
Probably a marketing strategy, There are plenty of "Smoke and Mirrors" elements about these unofficial rolls.
Why anyone with half a brain would pay a $100 premium per roll just because some backyarder has produced these is beyond my understanding :dash1:
the 'mintage'numbers don't add up for me
there are too many sellers promoting the limited mintage of 250 sets
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='97114' dateline='1473136043'this will be the start of their rolls being made for every RAM new release
Which is probably the reason for the long serial number.
And yes, I could open it without breaking the seal. I won't, cos I won't be buying any, but just saying.
Quotemachine specially modified for numismatics
There is only one of those and Cotton & Co. don't have it.
It is called a "Fulvio"™ and belongs to the Australian Coin Forum.
I think that what Mr Cotton and his cohorts are doing is disgraceful and it is nothing more that a cheap Con trick.
It can only end up in tears for these new and ill informed collectors that are buying the "Products" in the long run.
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='97136' dateline='1473148756'It is called a "Fulvio" and belongs to the Australian Coin Forum.
Yes, it's quite unique and complex Meh...canism.
I heard on the blockchain that there will be an update to it soon which will allow it to produce rolls of virtual currency.
Initial trials are promising.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0906/8190/products/Classic_Roll_4554_1024x1024.jpg?v=1461928914)
All they need now is a numbered holographic sticker
Quote from: 'jens coins' pid='96969' dateline='1472980668'The Paralympic coins have been circulating since 22nd August.
Ah right, I thought they were only distributed in a card, not in change too.
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='97140' dateline='1473149896'I heard on the blockchain that there will be an update to it soon which will allow it to produce rolls of virtual currency.
Yup. Can hardly wait. :)
Seriously though, the 'collector modifications' would be to stop the end scrapes Armaguard are legendary for. It would be a combination of alignment and distance of the prongs and the speed at which they'd run it.
I see plenty of end scrapes. Frustrating when it is, otherwise, a really nice coin.
And Armaguard (I only see their rolls here) seem to be experts at loose rolls that shed coins. Quite common to get a bulk bag with a high percentage of loose coins.
However that could also be down to how the delivery staff handle the bags -I have seen them literally toss them out of the truck onto the footpath!
Quote from: 'trout' pid='97138' dateline='1473149654'I think that what Mr Cotton and his cohorts are doing is disgraceful and it is nothing more that a cheap Con trick.
It can only end up in tears for these new and ill informed collectors that are buying the "Products" in the long run.
they might appeal to a customer cohort that will continue to subscribe to new issues?
here are the artist's impressions - not the actual roll - the teaser pre-release as they are apparently a bit behind release time timeframes or something
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/olympic_rolls_2.jpg)(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/olympic_rolls_3.jpg)(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/olympic_rolls.jpg)
Would people of been interested in equivalent rolls to these if produced by the mint?
Quote from: 'LooseChange' pid='97155' dateline='1473159843'Would people of been interested in equivalent rolls to these if produced by the mint?
Yes I imagine that they would and I doubt that RAM would have put a more than 3x face cost on them either.
They would also be a Legitimate collectable and not simply a backyard offering.
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='97153' dateline='1473158834'Quote from: 'trout' pid='97138' dateline='1473149654'I think that what Mr Cotton and his cohorts are doing is disgraceful and it is nothing more that a cheap Con trick.
It can only end up in tears for these new and ill informed collectors that are buying the "Products" in the long run.
they might appeal to a customer cohort that will continue to subscribe to new issues?
here are the artist's impressions - not the actual roll - the teaser pre-release as they are apparently a bit behind release time timeframes or something
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/olympic_rolls_2.jpg)(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/olympic_rolls_3.jpg)(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/olympic_rolls.jpg)
I like how they're "certified" but by who and what qualifications do they have to certify them..that's like going to your mechanic for a sick certificate, it's not worth the paper it's written on as they're not a Dr :dodgy:
Quote from: 'LooseChange' pid='97155' dateline='1473159843'Would people of been interested in equivalent rolls to these if produced by the mint?
I'm not sure but would think the mint would be qualified to say if they put coins into rolls that they were their rolls as they did for many years but when a backyarder does it it doesn't seem right. It would be like me starting up a TPG company and only have me grading the coins, it would be pretty dodgy to say the least because by rights I should have a couple of others doing it as well so it's a general consensus on a coin and not just one persons view that could be bias or manipulated in other ways if enough money passes hands.
If you zoom in on these rolls they are not very cleanly rolled at all.
Methinks this is really a backyard job, not even utilising a rolling machine!
Quote from: 'trout' pid='97158' dateline='1473160068'They would also be a Legitimate collectable and not simply a backyard offering.
Y'know, for someone dead-set against Packyboxyitis, you sure seem to have come down with a massive dose, mate. Its bloody reminiscent of your backflip on slabbing.. :dodgy:
Emotive language aside, and also leaving aside the question of ridiculous pricing, we're talking about bits of paper. Whether they're wrapped around a bunch of coins by RAM, Armaguard, Prosegur, Cotton or Blind Freddy, it makes nil difference.
Its.....
.......JUST......
...................Paper!
:dodgy:
The only aspect which would in any way be potentially illegitimate is if the contents of the rolls were not what they purported to be. And I've seen no hint that that might be the case. There is the question of credibility and reputation, and nobody is going to be stupid enough to destroy both for a small handfull of dollars.
So sorry but the 'backyard' thing just won't wash.
A thousand dollars for 6 rolls sounds like that 40million seller on greedBay is it?
QuoteSo sorry but the 'backyard' thing just won't wash.
What part of this offering is it that makes it a genuine RAM promotion and NOT a backyard job ???
Has this been sanctioned by RAM ?? I very much doubt it.
And FYI I don't collect rolls or worry about the packaging on coins But many others do and to those others it IS important and it isn't "Just Paper" to them.
Why can't you just admit that your new found friends are just common con artists ??
Quote from: 'trout' pid='97185' dateline='1473169795'Why can't you just admit that your new found friends are just common con artists ??
Why would I admit to a lie?
And since when does having a contrary opinion justify personal attacks anyway?
My 'new found friends' as you put it, consist of one telephone conversation, one order, one delivery and one meeting and conversation with a dealer who has nothing to do with the production of these items.
And yet, some have chosen to tar him, and me, with a very broad brush, based on what is, quite frankly, a huge load of bullshit.
By all means, disagree, disapprove, and disavow, for such is your right. But be careful when straying into unwarranted disrespect.
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Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='97177' dateline='1473164505'If you zoom in on these rolls they are not very cleanly rolled at all.
Methinks this is really a backyard job, not even utilising a rolling machine!
But they say they have "machines specially modified for numismatics"...maybe the machine puts the stickers on :angel:
I am almost certain that a rolling machine is used to produce these But that still doesn't make these rolls "Kosher".
It just means that they are produced by a high tech "Backyarder" :dodgy:
A high tech backyarder with plenty of money. Shame we now have people like this in the hobby that are only in it for the money but each their own and I'll support the little blokes when I can :good:
Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='97177' dateline='1473164505'If you zoom in on these rolls they are not very cleanly rolled at all.
Methinks this is really a backyard job, not even utilising a rolling machine!
umm think that is the prototype pictures
and the rolls don't actually exist yet
perhaps the rolling machine is still on that ship from China and could be held up, who knows
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='97203' dateline='1473214020'i appreciate Downies doing their single coin folders
There is zero difference between the Downies coins, or OldCoinChest's for that matter, and these rolls. Or, for that matter, private PNCs or any other form of packyboxyitis involving coins or notes.
Me, I wouldn't buy any of them. But I can and do make my own Packyboxy products which I've posted about before, mainly for convenience in protecting, storing and tracking bulk coins. And who knows, maybe one day I'll start flogging them off myself, if I get the quality good enough.
You'd all be clamoring to buy certified
McDuck Mint Metallised BOPP/BoPET Shrink-Wrapped rolls complete with colourful vistas and commemorative holograms, right? Something like this concept mock-up only better:
(http://ep.yimg.com/ay/candy-crate/lifesavers-5-flavor-candy-rolls-20ct-7.gif)
PP has genuine RAM rolls
peppermint flavored
i ate mine
I had a ram roll earlier
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2dspkef.jpg)
:scratch_one-s_head: but then again it could have just been lamb :)
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='97223' dateline='1473221620'I had a ram roll earlier
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2dspkef.jpg)
:scratch_one-s_head: but then again it could have just been lamb :)
It's a bit mean showing a bloke images like that when he is in the bush :drooling:
Come on you have all the mod cons and you showed a lovely muddy so now we're even as a crappy roll is nothing compared to a yummy crab :(
I asked the eBay seller 40million
"Who is the roll of coins CERTIFIED by?"
The response:
"The coins come from Uncirculated single coin and 5 coin Folders
They are rolled using a numismatic coin rolling machine- which is gentler than a security Company's machine
The coins are being rolled under video surveillance to validate the claim- the footage will be archived
Cheers
Wendy"
I replied:
"Who is the roll of coins CERTIFIED by?"
I have not received a reply.
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='97227' dateline='1473222331'Come on you have all the mod cons and yummy crab
I was actually reading that the 4-star chefs and crabs are gone now. Its more like your typical overpriced hospital canteen. :(
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='97227' dateline='1473222331'Come on you have all the mod cons and you showed a lovely muddy so now we're even as a crappy roll is nothing compared to a yummy crab :(
Most of which is packed away now in preparation to travelling tomorrow.:cray:
Looks like it is Steak Chips and Salad tonight with Bulla Splits for Sweets.
I still have a good reserve of Icy cold beer, So all is not lost :)
The beer is the main thing :drinks:
This is what Dion Buck from RAM had to say regarding rolled coins :ok:
QuoteThere is unfortunately much subterfuge in the secondary market trade that muddies these waters, exhibit A is the product a variety of coin sellers are promoting at the moment for approx $1000 for only a few rolls. Coin rolls used to be valuable because they were a time capsule of the year they were issued to the world, guaranteed fresh from the Mint, some of this legacy I'm sure lives in the prices of what is sold on the secondary market today.
condoning the practice?
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='97272' dateline='1473252413'condoning the practice?
On the contrary I would think RG.
I would think that Dion's hands are pretty "tied" when he comments on any site and especially the RAM site and that was as strong a condemnation that he would be game to come up with :ok:
He did come up with a whole lot of Bullshit when asked why RAM supplied the Dealers with coin rolls and Not collectors, But Hay this is RAM I was asking :angel:
i still wonder if it's legal as the rolls are considered legal standardised tender
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='97276' dateline='1473253207'i still wonder if it's legal as the rolls are considered legal standardised tender
Wither you approve of what he is doing or not I don't think our Mr Cotton is a Fool and would have looked into the legality of this "Project" before commencing it.
I personally think that what he is doing is "Fully Shonky" but I doubt that it is against the law unfortunately :ok:
:dodgy:
Just buy them RG I know ya wanna :blink:
Could be a good investment for your super :mocking:
That's what it's all about so you have no recourse..and like I said before who's to say your gonna get a roll of "mint" coins or even the "olympic" coins they say you'll get.
Who is Dion Buck?
What role does he perfrom at RAMINT?
QuoteCould be a good investment for your super
Would you take financial advice from this man?
I wouldn't without seeing his credentials. My super is staying where it is.
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='97330' dateline='1473311845'it is a pyramid system and the manufacturer is distanced from the actual point of sale
'Pyramid system'??????
Puh-LEEZE!
Its the exact same system EVERYBODY in the retail sector uses, in this country and every other for that matter.
Or do you think Woolies manufactured the coins they were handing out?
Look, criticism is fair enough, but try not to stray into la-la-land, willya?
When you buy something in Australia you are protected by Australian consumer laws... it doesn't matter if you purchase direct from manufacture or retailer.
If you do or don't agree with the value of this product is one thing... but the mode of distribution seems legit to me.
I don't see the problem with someone making something for others to sell-on.. majority of products are like this aren't they?
I'm not advocating for this product by any means..just playing devils advocate.
..Also i just saw a local classifieds style Facebook page where one girl was advertising 2x (uncarded) Paralympic coins for $500neg.... :D
:dodgy:
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='97343' dateline='1473319849'QuoteCould be a good investment for your super
Would you take financial advice from this man?
I wouldn't without seeing his credentials. My super is staying where it is.
:laugh2: no I wouldn't Jeff, he's a dodgy bastard that's for sure :angel: :D
If this so called "product" and I use that term very loosely is so good and credible why isn't the turd making them selling them him self as he's on FB and ebay or even his own site so I think all this talk about it being reputable and good business is a load of BS and sounds like there's a lot of kick backs going on behind closed doors or pissin peoples pocket to try and get batter deals down the track..business is business right, don't think so. Some here have complained greatly about other businesses practices but then find this sort of thing acceptable :dodgy: They are not mint roll only coins from the mint but looks like cotton & co are trying to squeeze a foot in the mint roll door to make the big bucks. This is all a really bad dream and I'll wake up soon :lazy2:
QuoteWhen you buy something in Australia you are protected by Australian consumer laws... it doesn't matter if you purchase direct from manufacture or retailer.
Try buying an electronic item from Aldi and making a warranty claim 3 months + one day after the sale, at the selling store (original receipt in your hand). I did that once to help out a customer and...you can guess how well the law helped her.
:scratch_one-s_head: isn't it tough titties if you buy things from feebay as it's a buyer beware thing and facebook is definitely buyer beware and NO chance of getting your money back so that might be why they're mainly being sold at these sort of places so people don't have a come back and cotton & co won't have to worry about negative feedback.
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='97350' dateline='1473326450'I don't particularly like being advised that I'm straying into la la land by a guy who irons his coin holders PLZE
See, this is precisely the sort of language that got you offside in the first place.
What does heat-sealing Mylar inside a cardboard holder have to do with anything? If you can come up with some heating device as cheap and readily available as a domestic iron to do the job, awesome. But in the meantime, this kind of personal attack is unwarranted.
Look, lets get a few things clear here...
I have no intention of buying or promoting this type of after-market product.
However, I respect the rights of anyone to make whatever they wish, whether it be rolls of coins, PNCs, humorous postcards or fuzzy dice for that matter. Its business. And business is all about making money by finding something people will buy for more than it cost you to produce.
Is the product dodgy? No. It does not purport to be a RAM product, and never did. The manufacturer's name is clearly printed on the packaging, and from what I've seen its been made clear all along, other than the initial lack of information, which is standard procedure for everyone, INCLUDING the RAM itself.
So all the negativity regarding the products, the manufacturer and the retailers is unacceptable. Particularly by people who took a completely different stance a while ago in a discussion about granny bait produced by other 'mints' like Franklin, Macquarie and even Perth.
If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you think people are being led astray, tell them. That's what I do, and I've got a long list of Facebook groups I've been throw out of for doing exactly that. But casting aspersions on the character of anyone with an opposing view? That's not kosher, and never will be.
you obviously didn't see the original advertisements on facebook that said it was a production done by arrangement with the RAM anyways
i will remove my posts and leave you to your opinions
Quote from: 'SULLA' pid='97229' dateline='1473223208'I asked the eBay seller 40million
"Who is the roll of coins CERTIFIED by?"
The response:
"The coins come from Uncirculated single coin and 5 coin Folders
They are rolled using a numismatic coin rolling machine- which is gentler than a security Company's machine
The coins are being rolled under video surveillance to validate the claim- the footage will be archived
Cheers
Wendy"
I replied:
"Who is the roll of coins CERTIFIED by?"
I have not received a reply.
oh so that is why the sets sold out so quickly!!
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='97390' dateline='1473344269'oh so that is why the sets sold out so quickly!!
Well, no. Twenty boxes would have been a drop in the bucket.
They had production problems with the packaging and dropped them early. They did say they would honour existing orders, but my boxes have been backordered forever it seems, and I'm not holding my breath. :(
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='97383' dateline='1473342255'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='97350' dateline='1473326450'I don't particularly like being advised that I'm straying into la la land by a guy who irons his coin holders PLZE
See, this is precisely the sort of language that got you offside in the first place.
What does heat-sealing Mylar inside a cardboard holder have to do with anything? If you can come up with some heating device as cheap and readily available as a domestic iron to do the job, awesome. But in the meantime, this kind of personal attack is unwarranted.
Look, lets get a few things clear here...
I have no intention of buying or promoting this type of after-market product.
However, I respect the rights of anyone to make whatever they wish, whether it be rolls of coins, PNCs, humorous postcards or fuzzy dice for that matter. Its business. And business is all about making money by finding something people will buy for more than it cost you to produce.
Is the product dodgy? No. It does not purport to be a RAM product, and never did. The manufacturer's name is clearly printed on the packaging, and from what I've seen its been made clear all along, other than the initial lack of information, which is standard procedure for everyone, INCLUDING the RAM itself.
So all the negativity regarding the products, the manufacturer and the retailers is unacceptable. Particularly by people who took a completely different stance a while ago in a discussion about granny bait produced by other 'mints' like Franklin, Macquarie and even Perth.
If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you think people are being led astray, tell them. That's what I do, and I've got a long list of Facebook groups I've been throw out of for doing exactly that. But casting aspersions on the character of anyone with an opposing view? That's not kosher, and never will be.
i apologise if i offended you
but i will say that i have reacted to being responded to as if i am some sort of a moron
common courtesy is a two way process
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='97391' dateline='1473346924'Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='97390' dateline='1473344269'oh so that is why the sets sold out so quickly!!
Well, no. Twenty boxes would have been a drop in the bucket.
They had production problems with the packaging and dropped them early. They did say they would honour existing orders, but my boxes have been backordered forever it seems, and I'm not holding my breath. :(
well the ones that are being sold at the mint this week are the returns from woolworths
you will notice that the inside of the folder is yellow for the woolworths editions
i don't for one moment believe that this roll production is limited to 250 sets of five/six
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='97365' dateline='1473328493':scratch_one-s_head: isn't it tough titties if you buy things from feebay as it's a buyer beware thing and facebook is definitely buyer beware and NO chance of getting your money back so that might be why they're mainly being sold at these sort of places so people don't have a come back and cotton & co won't have to worry about negative feedback.
Ive had mostly good experiences from ebay.. i buy a lot of specialty tools from Germany and occasionally they don't arrive. Ive always got a refund or re-send... but its definlety buyer-beware.. or better "buyer be educated" before deciding to buy something.
Never bought anything off of Facebook, and i don't think i subscribe to any coin related Facebook pages.. so not sure how these work. I do however have a couple of friends who spend too much time on Facebook and often quote me massively inflated coin values based on Facebook groups. I would take a wild guess that this might be why rolls like these would be sold in these "soft" market places.
But to be fair i think someone wanting to shield themselves from potential blow-back ... wouldn't assign their regular business name to the product.
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='97361' dateline='1473328187'QuoteWhen you buy something in Australia you are protected by Australian consumer laws... it doesn't matter if you purchase direct from manufacture or retailer.
Try buying an electronic item from Aldi and making a warranty claim 3 months + one day after the sale, at the selling store (original receipt in your hand). I did that once to help out a customer and...you can guess how well the law helped her.
Was the warranty only for 3 months or something? If they were entitled to a replacement or repair.. or store credit or refund... i don't know... but even when you legally are entitled to something under consumer-law, retailers will very often claim that you are not..
I got a refund a while ago on a car-gps after over 6months (of malfunctioning usage) which was within the boxes stated warranty period.. but it took 2 long stints of returning to manufacture.. before they would concede a refund. This was from repco, i purchased the unit originally in Tamworth and returned it in Sydney....the good thing about nation wide chains..
good points loosechange
less emotive than mine
and i agree about the facebook page/s
QuoteWas the warranty only for 3 months or something?
The warranty was 12 months but Aldi will only accept store returns for three months.
The lady asked me to check her TV aerial as she could not get any channels. The TV set was faulty, not the aerial. I offered to return the set for her as I would be going that way in a few days. If I had done so a day earlier they would have accepted the return at the store.
So, the lady was out of pocket by having to return the set to the 'manufacturer' in Melbourne. The 'manufacturer' is a fully owned subsidiary of Aldi and, of course, they do not actually manufacture anything -just import from China with their name affixed to the item. That seems to be pretty well par for the course with most appliances nowadays.
Several months later the set was repaired and returned. The exercise certainly did nothing for Aldi's customer relations and the lady made sure all her friends knew about it.
I have just had a look at warranty information for several items of mine and, interestingly, all of them give an address to send an item for a warranty claim -none mention the possibility of returning to the retailer. Several also require a claim/authorisation number to be obtained before a return will be accepted.
The Australian Competition an Consumer Commission says on their website;
"Who to claim a remedy from
Products
You can claim a remedy from the retailer if the products do not meet any one or more of the consumer guarantees, with the exception of availability of spare parts and repair facilities.
The remedies you can seek from the retailer who sold you the product include a repair, replacement, or refund and in some cases compensation for damages and loss.
The retailer can't refuse to help you by sending you to the manufacturer or importer."
My emphasis.
What follows is my personal opinion and if you have "Issue" with it then "Get over It" :ok:
These rolls being sold by cotton and co are nothing more than a rip off taking advantage of all the hype that has surrounded the recent Olympics $2 coin release and the previous coloured $2 coin releases.
These coins themselves are "Mildly" collectable But are most certainly NOT worth the 4x face value just because somebody uses a homebrand wrapper and puts them in a roll.
With people like a certain Wendy Roberts of "Fortymillion007" fame acting as a spokesperson for these gives me genuine concerns as well.
For my own personal use I am compiling a list of every dealer/seller of these shonky rolls and none of them will ever get any of my business in future because of their association with this deceptive promotion.
Make up your own mind about the validity/worthiness of these rolls But personaly I wouldn't touch them with a pointed stick :ok:
Quote from: 'LooseChange' pid='97393' dateline='1473348070'Never bought anything off of Facebook, and i don't think i subscribe to any coin related Facebook pages.. so not sure how these work. I do however have a couple of friends who spend too much time on Facebook and often quote me massively inflated coin values based on Facebook groups. I would take a wild guess that this might be why rolls like these would be sold in these "soft" market places.
But to be fair i think someone wanting to shield themselves from potential blow-back ... wouldn't assign their regular business name to the product.
Your not missin anything from not being on FB groups that's for sure, except a good laugh at silly people sometimes but then you get just as much on feebay.
I just don't understand why he wouldn't sell his own "product", and get a lot of known shonky people doing the dirty work for him if there wasn't something suss going on and especially when he's on all these places himself including his own internet site..if it quacks it must be a duck :) He mustn't have much faith in his own product is my thinking and why wouldn't he if you've gone to all the trouble of getting machines and stickers etc.
There are a few businesses that if they did something like this you'd have to wonder why and think it was a bit odd (to say the least) if say dicksmith had hardly normal selling his brand name stuff when he had his own stores. Things like this just make me think there's more to this than meets the eye :angel:
"if it quacks it must be a duck"
love it
yeah AJ i think you nailed what I was trying to say
(and of course got slammed)
why wouldn't the manufacturer who has multiple selling outlets of their own be advertising selling their own product to some degree? particularly with such a limited number supposedly being made?
unless of course they are a listed on the RAM website as an authorised RAM dealership and then this it might be seen as a conflict of interest with their future RAM business arrangements? from what i have seen not one of the advertising 'sellers' are listed on the RAM coin dealers webpage. And that says something to me
anyways, i will stay away from this topic as it is getting too nasty here for me personally
happy to discuss via PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='97402' dateline='1473368476'I just don't understand why he wouldn't sell his own "product"
I wouldn't either, if I were in the same boat.
Think about it. You drop a pile of cash on equipment, a supply of coins and consumables and time and effort to learn to use it. The plan being for this to be a 'test run', the first of many. And then you're going to mess about flogging one here and one there, and dealing with payments, shipping and support? Why, when you can instead deal with a handful of retailers who will give you far less grief, help promote your products and take less of a cut than it would have cost you to do it yourself?
As a business plan, there's nothing wrong with how it was done. Sure, the product's overpriced, and the marketing could have been better handled, but that's just teething problems. The real test will be in whatever the NEXT product will be.
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='97396' dateline='1473361002'The retailer can't refuse to help you by sending you to the manufacturer or importer."
Ah, but Aldi don't quite see it that way.
We had a freezer go on the blink at Xmas. Every bit of freezer space in the joint was full for the holidays. Aldi put us onto their service people, who put us in touch with their local guy. Who said "Can't get bits over the holidays". It was fixed in Feb.
Every conversation included mention of the food that was in it, and that there was nowhere else to put it.
Six months later, after finally accepting a list, they say "Give us pictures". WTF? Nobody mentioned that when there was actual product to be photographed. How are we supposed to get them now? And they're still passing the buck back and forth, and will keep doing that until we give up. :(
Oh, and the picture we DID send, of the melted interior light (because they had the wrong bulb in it) produced a "Sorry, those parts are no longer available" response.
I would never buy an appliance from Aldi ever again. Mushrooms (and those really cool coin-noodling tubs they come in), yeah, but whitegoods, no way.
The real test will be sales -not just to the dealers but to end customers. It is not a success if a lot of unhappy dealers are stuck with unsold stock.
Of course we may never be in a position to judge sales success. However discounting from initial price, a few months along, could be an indicator of less than success. Then again his plan might include creaming the top off the market initially then reducing price to shift the remaining rolls (still at a good profit).
It's all too confusing. I might just sit back and await developments.
Meanwhile a box arrived for me from the Ram just now and I have the equivalent of several of his rolls all for a delivered price of less than one of those rolls. And in official RAM packaging.
I find it hard to fathom why anyone would even consider buying one of the private rolls.
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='97425' dateline='1473383146'Meanwhile a box arrived for me from the Ram just now
OH! So I should make some calls and see if my back-ordered boxes are in? :)
Now don't get me wrong as I won't be getting these rolls myself but I think people need to be reminded that sometimes private issue items do become very valuable.
Eg foy and Gibson bags, 1969 50c PNC, swan dollar etc
Problem is that for every winner there is 100 losers
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='97423' dateline='1473382155'The plan being for this to be a 'test run', the first of many. And then you're going to mess about flogging one here and one there, and dealing with payments, shipping and support? Why, when you can instead deal with a handful of retailers who will give you far less grief, help promote your products and take less of a cut than it would have cost you to do it yourself?
The real test will be in whatever the NEXT product will be.
I still don't get it unless it's like RG said he's got a deal going with the mint so doesn't want to get busted over a conflict of interest and that's about the only thing that makes sense especially when he sells everywhere else his self and why got some of the worst names in the business floggin ya good unless it's to keep his hands clean..sort of, and blame the dealers. And I think Jeff might be right in that he'll/they'll drop the price when they have a heap left over so there'll be more peeved people that paid full price.
:dodgy: yes a "test run" but like you said, for what :huh:
Yes your right serial that for every winner there's 100 losers but that might be why people come and go so quickly in the hobby as they soon work out it's a total ripoff and the bags and that took a long time before they were worth a lot of money so I hope anyone buying these rolls aren't looking to see them while they're alive as they might be worth something 100 down the track but then you just never know and they might not be worth a cracker ;)
Oh and yes they were private issue but the mint made the coins especially for the people but that's not the case with these $2 coin as they were made for woolies as well as their own sales of these coins and the 69 was meant to be a specimen wasn't it and the goose was a pattern of what they thought a one dollar coin might look like and that's why they're both low mintage. Sorry I'm not really up on these just going of maccas book.
Well they will be worth more than a cracker as they will always have their face value. Unless inflation pushes the price of crackers up in 40 years and then the face value has lost its buying power.
As for pointing out the coming and going of people to coin collecting due to high priced items losing value as soon as they are bought, the Royal Australian Mint is the worse offender in this regards and as far as I can see cotton and co are just duplicating RAMs business model without using tax payers dollars to do so.
Yes I agree the RAM has a lot to answer for that's for sure but then they are the government and ripping us off is to be expected but I don't think you can't put an individual in the same boat unless it's saying how they too are ripping people off.
If you take these coins back to woolies in 40 years I don't think you'll be able to buy a packet of cracker with the way things are going..gee ya lucky to get a packet now :(
Quote from: 'serial' pid='97438' dateline='1473389387'Royal Australian Mint is the worse offender
Y'got that right!
I was just on the phone with Ron after seeing some Olympics were delivered today, and during the conversation discovered that the $99 price for Anniversary rolls is RRP set by the mint. Of course he gets the standard dealer discount, but the point is the RAM are doubling the price of the coins for wrapping a bit of paper around them. Precisely what everybody wants to crucify Cotton for! :dodgy:
Yes but we know what the mint is like and cotton is an individual so maybe he should put his profits into the tax payers purse..oop's did I just say that out aloud ;)
And isn't cotton asking a bit more than the mint is :shock: and no I don't care about his overheads as it's his choice to do what he's doing.
Ok time for me to go find an anzac mule :yahoo:
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='97449' dateline='1473391713'profits into the tax payers purse
Hate to be the one to break it to ya, but we have this shady outfit called the ATO
(really dodgy, I mean, they even employed ME!) that looks after exactly that. :angel:
So you think it is OK for the government, who controls supply to rip people of but its no OK for an individual to value add a product that you can get elsewhere if you want ???
Seems like you have a problem with cotton and co no matter what he does but the government (who is meant to act in our best interest!) Gets a free pass
Quote from: 'serial' pid='97438' dateline='1473389387'Well they will be worth more than a cracker as they will always have their face value. Unless inflation pushes the price of crackers up in 40 years and then the face value has lost its buying power.
As for pointing out the coming and going of people to coin collecting due to high priced items losing value as soon as they are bought, the Royal Australian Mint is the worse offender in this regards and as far as I can see cotton and co are just duplicating RAMs business model without using tax payers dollars to do so.
maybe but the RAM authorised dealers get the products at 33% less than retail and have 30 days to pay as well
so those coins in the packaging may very well have have cost 33% less than what you or I pay
and it also is less than the face value of the coins so in the long run, so I reckon that we do pay either as taxpayers or customers as we prop up that side of the retailing !!
darn it
i aid i'd keep outta this conversation
but it is so interesting !!
Well if we are going to get personal maybe you should remember the taxes people like me and cotton pay support pensions, social services and other government funded bennifits that people like you take for granted then whinge about because its not enough.
I only offered a different point of view based on a free market concept and you abuse me for it from your government funded point off view.
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='97465' dateline='1473396816'Quote from: 'serial' pid='97438' dateline='1473389387'Well they will be worth more than a cracker as they will always have their face value. Unless inflation pushes the price of crackers up in 40 years and then the face value has lost its buying power.
As for pointing out the coming and going of people to coin collecting due to high priced items losing value as soon as they are bought, the Royal Australian Mint is the worse offender in this regards and as far as I can see cotton and co are just duplicating RAMs business model without using tax payers dollars to do so.
maybe but the RAM authorised dealers get the products at 33% less than retail and have 30 days to pay as well
so those coins in the packaging may very well have have cost 33% less than what you or I pay
and it also is less than the face value of the coins so in the long run, so I reckon that we do pay either as taxpayers or customers as we prop up that side of the retailing !!
darn it
i aid i'd keep outta this conversation
but it is so interesting !!
That is a reasonable point but you need to consider dealers as wholesale customers who maintain distribution networks and overheads. I also would think I could get the same discount if I committed sufficient capital to their products but I don't have the risk appetite to invest in that business model nor the experience/contacts
I don't however fault people who do commit to the business of coin dealing and who are successful doing so
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='97453' dateline='1473393277'Hate to be the one to break it to ya, but we have this shady outfit called the ATO (really dodgy, I mean, they even employed ME!) that looks after exactly that. :angel:
Heheh, they employed
me, twice. Once before my marriage, and some years later after my marriage. Back in those dim dark days of the Public Service, if you were a female, once you got married, pftt you're out on your ear.! Now that was really :dodgy:
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='97465' dateline='1473396816'maybe but the RAM authorised dealers get the products at 33% less than retail and have 30 days to pay as well
I was told it was 20%,the RAM stuff from NZ was Dealer Discount 20%+GST saving of 10% meaning the Coins were nearly a third under the price the average Joe has to pay.If its 33% then manipulations of exchange rates and GST would bring them in around 40%+ under RRP.
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='97474' dateline='1473403314'I was told it was 20%
I was told 22.5% today.
What is this? An auction?
Maybe different dealers get different discounts. That is quite common in business -and, make no mistake the RAM (and coin dealing) is a decent sized business.
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Thread locked. It has served it's purposes and seems to have devolved into a witch hunt.