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Numismatic Discussion => Coin Chit Chat => Topic started by: Oldcoinchest on March 14, 2016, 09:58:16 AM

Title: Enamelled Coins - Auction ends today
Post by: Oldcoinchest on March 14, 2016, 09:58:16 AM
Just a few quite clever/skillful enamelled coins up for auction.
They have 4 of these for auctions that end tonight.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Enamelled-Australia-2003-50-Cent-Coin-Australias-Volunteers-/152006899317?hash=item2364513675:g:q9EAAOSwv9hW3V4F

4 different coins that is
Title: RE: Enamelled Coins - Auction ends today
Post by: notcb on March 14, 2016, 11:22:37 AM
A direct quote from the RAMINT website:

Defacing, destroying or altering Australian currency coins

It is a criminal offence under the Crimes (Currency) Act 1981 (Cth) to deface or destroy current Australian currency coins. It is also an offence to sell or possess current coins that have been defaced. Defacing a coin includes coating the surface of the money with any sort of material. The penalty for defacing coins, or selling or possessing money that has been defaced, is $5,000 or imprisonment for two years for an individual (or both), and $10,000 for a body corporate. You may also be guilty of the offence of making counterfeit money if you alter a genuine coin.

The destruction or alteration of designs used on coins may also infringe the right of the author of the design not to have an artistic work subject to derogatory treatment. The author's rights to 'integrity of authorship' are protected under the Copyright Act 1968 (Cth). If you do something in relation to an artistic work that is prejudicial to the author's honour or reputation, a court can order you to stop the infringing conduct, make a public apology, or pay damages to the artist."

Note the words "coating the surface"

Cheers

Peter  (notcb)
Title: RE: Enamelled Coins - Auction ends today
Post by: Cougar on March 14, 2016, 12:30:46 PM
They look pretty good. Very talented..
Title: RE: Enamelled Coins - Auction ends today
Post by: kchan1111 on March 14, 2016, 05:00:17 PM
The William & Kate one looks quite nice.
Title: RE: Enamelled Coins - Auction ends today
Post by: Oldcoinchest on March 14, 2016, 05:02:59 PM
Quote from: 'notcb' pid='85567' dateline='1457916757'A direct quote from the RAMINT website:

Defacing, destroying or altering Australian currency coins

It is a criminal offence under the Crimes (Currency) Act 1981 (Cth) to deface or destroy current Australian currency coins. It is also an offence to sell or possess current coins that have been defaced. Defacing a coin includes coating the surface of the money with any sort of material. The penalty for defacing coins, or selling or possessing money that has been defaced, is $5,000 or imprisonment for two years for an individual (or both), and $10,000 for a body corporate. You may also be guilty of the offence of making counterfeit money if you alter a genuine coin.

The destruction or alteration of designs used on coins may also infringe the right of the author of the design not to have an artistic work subject to derogatory treatment. The author's rights to 'integrity of authorship' are protected under the Copyright Act 1968 (Cth). If you do something in relation to an artistic work that is prejudicial to the author's honour or reputation, a court can order you to stop the infringing conduct, make a public apology, or pay damages to the artist."

Note the words "coating the surface"

Cheers

Peter  (notcb)

There is always a down side to everything I guess, legal stuff!! You are certainly right though Peter and thanks for sharing.
They are nice and done in an artistic way. Not destructive or deceiving way. Should there be leeway? probably not? but im sure most collectors would love to have one?
Title: RE: Enamelled Coins - Auction ends today
Post by: interest on March 14, 2016, 05:22:08 PM
Quote from: 'Oldcoinchest' pid='85570' dateline='1457937179'
Quote from: 'notcb' pid='85567' dateline='1457916757'A direct quote from the RAMINT website:

Defacing, destroying or altering Australian currency coins

It is a criminal offence under the Crimes (Currency) Act 1981 (Cth) to deface or destroy current Australian currency coins. It is also an offence to sell or possess current coins that have been defaced. Defacing a coin includes coating the surface of the money with any sort of material. The penalty for defacing coins, or selling or possessing money that has been defaced, is $5,000 or imprisonment for two years for an individual (or both), and $10,000 for a body corporate. You may also be guilty of the offence of making counterfeit money if you alter a genuine coin.

The destruction or alteration of designs used on coins may also infringe the right of the author of the design not to have an artistic work subject to derogatory treatment. The author's rights to 'integrity of authorship' are protected under the Copyright Act 1968 (Cth). If you do something in relation to an artistic work that is prejudicial to the author's honour or reputation, a court can order you to stop the infringing conduct, make a public apology, or pay damages to the artist."

Note the words "coating the surface"

Cheers

Peter  (notcb)

There is always a down side to everything I guess, legal stuff!! You are certainly right though Peter and thanks for sharing.
They are nice and done in an artistic way. Not destructive or deceiving way. Should there be leeway? probably not? but im sure most collectors would love to have one?
I would love to have one but way too expensive
Title: RE: Enamelled Coins - Auction ends today
Post by: JeffH on March 14, 2016, 05:45:26 PM
QuoteI would love to have one but way too expensive.
:agreed: But there must be quite a time and steady hand + good eyes to do that. So that should be reflected in the price.

Some would look nice as a pendant on a silver or gold chain. Sort of similar to what used to be done with '27 florins and other pre-decimal coins.
Title: RE: Enamelled Coins - Auction ends today
Post by: Oldcoinchest on March 14, 2016, 07:36:52 PM
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I would love to have one but way too expensive
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I was going to add that in. most collectors would like one......   for the right price. :thank_you:
Title: RE: Enamelled Coins - Auction ends today
Post by: Nevol on March 14, 2016, 09:25:42 PM
Quotebut im sure most collectors would love to have one?
Not this one. IMO Just another type of granny bait, and this granny does not take the bait. :angel:
Title: RE: Enamelled Coins - Auction ends today
Post by: trout on March 14, 2016, 09:30:45 PM
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='85582' dateline='1457952942'
Quotebut im sure most collectors would love to have one?
Not this one. IMO Just another type of granny bait, and this granny does not take the bait. :angel:

Well said Nevol :good:
I Hate it when I see a nice Canberra florin "Tarted" up like this :cray:
Title: RE: Enamelled Coins - Auction ends today
Post by: Oldcoinchest on March 14, 2016, 09:41:06 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='85584' dateline='1457953245'
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='85582' dateline='1457952942'
Quotebut im sure most collectors would love to have one?
Not this one. IMO Just another type of granny bait, and this granny does not take the bait. :angel:

Well said Nevol :good:
I Hate it when I see a nice Canberra florin "Tarted" up like this :cray:

I like it. You both know what you want a what you look for in your collecting realms! Most wouldn't draw a line or admit it.
Title: RE: Enamelled Coins - Auction ends today
Post by: trout on March 14, 2016, 09:53:15 PM
Quote from: 'Oldcoinchest' pid='85586' dateline='1457953866'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='85584' dateline='1457953245'
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='85582' dateline='1457952942'
Quotebut im sure most collectors would love to have one?
Not this one. IMO Just another type of granny bait, and this granny does not take the bait. :angel:

Well said Nevol :good:
I Hate it when I see a nice Canberra florin "Tarted" up like this :cray:

I like it. You both know what you want a what you look for in your collecting realms! Most wouldn't draw a line or admit it.

These enamelled coins have been around for a long time and some people do like them, each to their own :ok:
Personally I hate the bloody things :)
Title: RE: Enamelled Coins - Auction ends today
Post by: robbiegal on March 14, 2016, 09:54:02 PM
they are downright beautiful
so skilfully done
pity about this nice variety die though , a tad harder to find!
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Enamelled-Australia-2003-1-One-Dollar-Coin-Centenary-of-Womens-Suffrage/152015113561?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140107090050%26meid%3Dc29f2b88f0794e02b99a91d6240efd03%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D152006899660



ps I have these ones and love them (not enamelled but decorated). I was once told that they used to pinned on baby's Christening gowns
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/RESIZED_28229.JPG)(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/RESIZED_28429.JPG)(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/RESIZED.JPG)(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/RESIZED_CLOVER.JPG)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/RESIZED_PINK.JPG)(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/RESIZED_28329.JPG)