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Australian Coins, Banknotes and Exonumia => Australian Errors and Varieties => Topic started by: echidna on March 04, 2016, 09:31:16 PM

Title: Cast counterfeit florin in silver
Post by: echidna on March 04, 2016, 09:31:16 PM
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/1931florin%208_zps2cph1wvn.jpg)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/1931florin%209_zpsupngz9ux.jpg)

Cast counterfeit florin.
Unusual as it appears to be solid silver.
But less than sterling.
Very convincing in the hand.

Reminded me of Gnome's recent excellent post about counterfeit florins.
Could this be the work of Manders during the mid 1930s ?
Title: RE: Cast counterfeit florin in silver
Post by: runway on March 04, 2016, 11:23:55 PM
Could be a Chinese recent replica
Title: RE: Cast counterfeit florin in silver
Post by: gnome on March 05, 2016, 06:30:15 AM
That's a pearler, if you ever consider selling it, I would be more than happy to give it a good home along side my other counterfeits. :)

Just on another note, some of Manders earlist attempts weren't always  a success. Could it possibly be struck and not cast and maybe still have been good enough to circulate. Some of those details still look to good to be cast. Have you got a weight on it, by chance.  
Anyway appreciate seeing this one. :)
Title: RE: Cast counterfeit florin in silver
Post by: keldaw on March 05, 2016, 08:22:00 AM
have a look on ebay at this one and let me know what you think ,

141918325178

have a close up look at the date also .      ,, kel ,,
Title: RE: Cast counterfeit florin in silver
Post by: echidna on March 05, 2016, 12:09:45 PM
Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='85235' dateline='1457128320'have a look on ebay at this one and let me know what you think ,

141918325178

have a close up look at the date also .      ,, kel ,,

Kel
Appears to be a regular 33 florin.
I'd say the last 3 has had a hit.

Quote from: 'gnome' pid='85233' dateline='1457121615'That's a pearler, if you ever consider selling it, I would be more than happy to give it a good home along side my other counterfeits. :)


Just on another note, some of Manders earlist attempts weren't always  a success. Could it possibly be struck and not cast and maybe still have been good enough to circulate. Some of those details still look to good to be cast. Have you got a weight on it, by chance.  
Anyone appreciate seeing this one. :)

Definately cast.
Will do more pics later today.
Title: RE: Cast counterfeit florin in silver
Post by: gnome on March 05, 2016, 12:20:32 PM
Ok look forward to seeing them :)
Title: RE: Cast counterfeit florin in silver
Post by: keldaw on March 05, 2016, 12:27:20 PM
thanks echidna ,.
Title: RE: Cast counterfeit florin in silver
Post by: echidna on March 05, 2016, 05:56:36 PM
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/1931%202_zpsw9slkntv.jpg)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/1931%205_zpsk9r36l7g.jpg)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/1931%202zz_zpshvxma0vb.jpg)

I'm no expert but I'm sure its cast - there is bubbling in the fields.
Marks and general dirt etc suggest its contemporary rather than recent.
Cant supply weight unfortunately.
Fairly deep gouge below the date (and corresponding mark obverse) is unusual - possibly some sort of test mark ?
Title: RE: Cast counterfeit florin in silver
Post by: robbiegal on March 06, 2016, 10:50:30 AM
I thought that 1931 wasn't a year they made
but the Chinese almost pure silver counterfeits were out and about for 1931
Title: RE: Cast counterfeit florin in silver
Post by: autocoupler on March 06, 2016, 03:31:22 PM
This is an ebay buy that I'm not too sure about. It has rough orange peel like surfaces on the obverse, but it's the poor definition around the inside edges of the date numerals that drew my attention. They appear viscous, a bit like how water tension will curve up the inside wall of a glass. But could just be to do with the crappy 1926 florin issue.

Any opinions appreciated. TIA

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/IMG_3016.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/IMG_3019.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/IMG_3018.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/IMG_3021.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10064/IMG_3020.JPG)