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Numismatic Discussion => Coin Chit Chat => Topic started by: ausjack on December 29, 2012, 09:00:56 AM

Title: What's your smallest coin?
Post by: ausjack on December 29, 2012, 09:00:56 AM
Two questions here people,

What's the smallest circulated coin you have?

What's the smallest (nclt) non circulated coin you have?

Mine are, circulated would have to be 1 koiienka (russian) about 15 to 16mm and NCLT is my little gold roo at 11.6mm
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Post by: Triggersmob on December 29, 2012, 10:04:47 AM
My smallest coin is the Panama pill, at 10mm...

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My smallest NCLT, is probably the same as yours...

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Post by: Mister T on December 29, 2012, 10:56:53 AM
Probably a threepence, but I might have something smaller tucked away somewhere.
Smallest NCLT is probably a 1c piece in a mint set.
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Post by: enworb on December 29, 2012, 11:52:58 AM
Mine would be the same as yours Mister T. There are some indian coins that are very very tiny. I would like to get a hold of one of those. I dont think theyre worth a huge deal.
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Post by: ausjack on December 29, 2012, 12:40:09 PM
Wow Steve, that's tinny for a circulated coin mate..imagine tryin to noodle the bloody things :scratch_one-s_head: or getting paid by the bucket :mocking:

Yeah I think it's the smallest we have but not sure about the rest of the world for NCLT, it's still a cute little coin :)
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Post by: Mister T on December 29, 2012, 12:41:58 PM
No wait, the British India 2 annas is slightly smaller than a threepence.
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Post by: robbiegal on December 29, 2012, 12:47:39 PM
NCLT ? what is that? I know what BNIB is (brand new in box) ha ha
ps I think that the smallest coin in this house is a Maundy 3 pence from the late 1800's - it is very tiny
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Post by: ausjack on December 29, 2012, 12:55:01 PM
Non-circulating legal tender
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Post by: robbiegal on December 29, 2012, 01:32:36 PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='5294' dateline='1356747901'Non-circulating legal tender

oh ta!   guess that makes the Maundy 3p a NCLT for it's day
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Post by: purplepennyhunter on December 29, 2012, 01:37:45 PM
I have those pre-decimals out of the Perth mint locket coin, they are tiny.
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Post by: robbiegal on December 29, 2012, 01:46:01 PM
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='5300' dateline='1356750465'I have those pre-decimals out of the Perth mint locket coin, they are tiny.

hey PP - I dug out my Spink book but it doesn't seem to have the diameter sizes of the Maundies - that I could find measurements nor can i fiind our coin. Would you know? the 3p diameter?
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Post by: Triggersmob on December 29, 2012, 01:47:05 PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='5290' dateline='1356747009'Wow Steve, that's tinny for a circulated coin mate..i

Yeah, it's small alright, I wonder how many got lost.

Here's another pic along side a U.S. dime for comparison.

(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e296/triggersmob/Coins/002-63.jpg)
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Post by: ausjack on December 29, 2012, 02:01:03 PM
Any chance of a pic or link please PP :)

Struth Steve, NICE and it has the frosted look as well
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Post by: Nevol on December 29, 2012, 02:08:39 PM
I have a themed collection of tiny coins, all 17mm or under, all circulation issues.  
These are all (AFAICT) 15mm.

Mexico â€" Tiny gold Medallion 10mm, so not a real coin. :cray:
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2zfinoz.jpg)
Title: RE: What's your smallest coin?
Post by: ausjack on December 29, 2012, 02:21:36 PM
Don't cry mate..we'll call him a coin just for you :good: Actually, while we're on it..what's the differance between a coin and a medallion..sorry for the stupid question but I was just thinking about roman coins and that and how they are like this cute little bloke :)
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Post by: Fordprefect on December 29, 2012, 02:21:48 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='5303' dateline='1356750961'
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='5300' dateline='1356750465'I have those pre-decimals out of the Perth mint locket coin, they are tiny.

hey PP - I dug out my Spink book but it doesn't seem to have the diameter sizes of the Maundies - that I could find measurements nor can i fiind our coin. Would you know? the 3p diameter?
They have not changed in size since 1822 :angel:

 1 penny : weight 0.47 grams, diameter 11.15 millimetres.
 2 pence : weight 0.94 grams, diameter 13.44 millimetres.
 3 pence : weight 1.41 grams, diameter 16.26 millimetres.
 4 pence : weight 1.88 grams, diameter 17.63 millimetres.

Maundy coins are Legal Tender not NCLT as long as they are dated from 1822.
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Post by: Mister T on December 29, 2012, 02:23:21 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='5303' dateline='1356750961'hey PP - I dug out my Spink book but it doesn't seem to have the diameter sizes of the Maundies - that I could find measurements nor can i fiind our coin. Would you know? the 3p diameter?

Maundy threepence is the same size as a regular threepence.
The others are here: http://www.maundymoney.info/26064/index.html

edit: nevermind, Fordprefect beat me to it.
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Post by: robbiegal on December 29, 2012, 02:34:05 PM
ta guys
i always thought that the Maundy sets were smaller coins . Learn something every day.
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Post by: Nevol on December 29, 2012, 02:34:07 PM
QuoteActually, while we're on it..what's the differance between a coin and a medallion
You can spend a coin, but I doubt any shopkeepers would accept a medallion as cash.  :winkextra:
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Post by: robbiegal on December 29, 2012, 02:40:36 PM
I always thought that a coin was official coinage as determined by Law and ACTs of a Parliament with determined weights and values.
A mediallion can be officially produced or privately produced but not for coinage and trade values purposes (aside from silver trade dollars etc - I think they fall into another category?)
And then the tokens were a monetary system that eventually was outlawed. BUt never an official government system - always private?
Just my off the cuff thoughts mind you!
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Post by: purplepennyhunter on December 29, 2012, 04:19:20 PM
You didn't need me.....

I just took this photo of the pre-decimal coins from the 2006 Perth Mint locket coin. I had them made into a bracelet. 1c for size comparison.
(http://www.australian-threepence.com/images/australia-pre-decimal-locket.jpg)
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Post by: Nevol on December 29, 2012, 05:49:21 PM
I found some more littlies hiding in my Bird Album.

Moldova   1 Ban   1996   14.5mm (my smallest)
Iceland   5 Aurar    1981   14.58mm
Poland   1 Grosz   1949   14.7mm
Nicaragua   5 Centavos   1994   14.97mm
Br V Islands   1 Cent   1974   15mm
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Post by: ausjack on December 29, 2012, 08:08:23 PM
Thanks PP :good:

Gee you have an awesome collection Nevol
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Post by: markn on December 30, 2012, 10:08:58 AM
Smallest coins I would have would be Maundy 1d's.  Smallest I have seen are Indian fanams and chuckrams which are usually <5mm in diameter.
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Post by: Sapyx on December 30, 2012, 02:23:52 PM
Some simple definitions:
coin: issued by a government, with a monetary value or purpose.
token: not issued by a government, with a monetary value or purpose.
medal/medallion: no monetary value nor purpose, whether issued by a government or not.

Back to the original topic: my smallest coin is a silver dam of the Kingdom of Kathmandu, circa AD 1710: 7.5 mm across.
Title: RE: What's your smallest coin?
Post by: ausjack on December 31, 2012, 10:15:46 PM
Like I thought, thanks for that Sap :)

7.5mm :shock: that's tinny, my little peepers have trouble with our 19.41mm 5 cent :mocking:  here's my little one's (http://i46.tinypic.com/ja9u1v.jpg)
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Post by: Sapyx on January 01, 2013, 07:38:57 PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='5480' dateline='1356954346'7.5mm :shock: that's tinny, my little peepers have trouble with our 19.41mm 5 cent :mocking:

A pic for comparison. Forgive me for not taking it out of the 2x2; if I take it out and I drop it on the carpet, I'll never find the thing again. :dontknow:

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Post by: ken-a on January 02, 2013, 05:16:52 AM
My small coin is a 1965 centavo from Mexico which is 16mm and weights 2 grams.

Ken
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Post by: keldaw on January 02, 2013, 09:35:12 AM
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 i think about 10 mm == maybe 11 mm ..
 this coin is from the princely state of travancore km 46 1 cash


 could not work out the best pic so i sent the 3 of them ..    ,, kel ,,
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Post by: ausjack on January 02, 2013, 10:41:09 AM
Cool coins people , and that can't be a coin Sap as here's a very rough pic of my stone so it's just not right :laugh2:
(http://i48.tinypic.com/347yc8j.jpg)

and that's a 5 cent
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Post by: keldaw on January 02, 2013, 10:57:01 AM
[attachment=793][attachment=792][attachment=791][attachment=790][attachment=789]also , what about thin coins too , and how thin must a coin get before you can bend it just with your bare hands .

 this is my thinest coin , dont know anything about it , where it is from ,or how much it is , i dont know anything about it ..  ,, kel ,,

maybe pictures will help ..   sorry ..
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Post by: trout on January 02, 2013, 11:33:12 AM
Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='5584' dateline='1357086421'also , what about thin coins too , and how thin must a coin get before you can bend it just with your bare hands .

 this is my thinest coin , dont know anything about it , where it is from ,or how much it is , i dont know anything about it ..  ,, kel ,,

maybe pictures will help ..   sorry ..

It looks Turkish to me :good:
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Post by: keldaw on January 02, 2013, 11:55:28 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='5585' dateline='1357088592'
Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='5584' dateline='1357086421'also , what about thin coins too , and how thin must a coin get before you can bend it just with your bare hands .

 this is my thinest coin , dont know anything about it , where it is from ,or how much it is , i dont know anything about it ..  ,, kel ,,

maybe pictures will help ..   sorry ..

It looks Turkish to me :good:

thank trout , aj told me i could depend on you .. ha ha ha ..
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Post by: ausjack on January 02, 2013, 12:47:44 PM
Wow Kel, that's pretty thin alright. Looks like some sort of arabic but I think the ribbon should be on the bottom of the pic but not sure how you'd look at it..SAPPPPPP come on mate :friends:

Very niccccce :)
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Post by: keldaw on January 02, 2013, 01:20:21 PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='5587' dateline='1357093064'Wow Kel, that's pretty thin alright. Looks like some sort of arabic but I think the ribbon should be on the bottom of the pic but not sure how you'd look at it..SAPPPPPP come on mate :friends:


Very niccccce :)

 sure A J  , just click on the pic to enlarge it then click on the arrow and it will turn around to put the ribbon on the bottom ..    ,, kel ,,

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Post by: ausjack on January 02, 2013, 02:34:13 PM
Thanks Kel, have a look here mate, very interesting http://worldcoingallery.com/Inst-ID/index.html
and here on the same site http://worldcoingallery.com/Inst-ID/Arabic.htm hope it helps :)

Try Tunisia Kharub and from what I can work out it's from regnal 23 (what ever that means) and it's date is 1223 theirs but I think that's about 1836 in our years if I worked it out right :)
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Post by: keldaw on January 02, 2013, 04:17:53 PM
thanks AJ ,
      just goes to show , you are smarter then me .ok  ,, kel ,,
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Post by: ausjack on January 02, 2013, 04:54:03 PM
:yahoo: but nah I don't think so Kel, I'm only just starting to get used to using the computer a little bit but still sooooo much to learn though and you'll see I know FA when Sap or someone that actually knows about these coins comes on and tells ya all about it as I just done a google seach :biggrin:

Hang in there Kel and just keep playing mate, these things do sort of get a little easier :good:
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Post by: keldaw on January 02, 2013, 06:59:09 PM
off line now for few days , going to brisbane for my party /
..70 on friday and the kids wan to give me a party in the park..
  as i am in bris i might as well do a bit of a visit around some of my xxx workmates .. talk again next week ..      ,, kel ,,
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Post by: Triggersmob on January 02, 2013, 10:55:09 PM
Not sure if you guys know about this site already. Very handy for working out foreign dates.
http://creounity.com/apps/time_machine/index.php?go=afghanistan.php&lang=en
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Post by: Sapyx on January 02, 2013, 11:02:33 PM
Yes, the coin keldaw posted is indeed Ottoman Turkish, dated 1223 Year 23 (AD 1829-1830).

As for Kel's question about thin-ness: I'm sure a materials scientist could give a more thorough explanation, but the "bendability" of a coin depends on several factors other than thickness, including what metal the coin is made of, what kind of "working" was done to the metal to harden or soften it, and the coin's diameter; a larger coin offers more leverage and can be bent more easily than a smaller coin of the same material and same proportional thickness.

While ancient coins were notoriously thick with very high relief designs, many mediaeval silver coins are very thin. It was apparently common practice back then to wrap and fold coins around a piece of string to wear around the neck for safekeeping. This is why a great many early English and European coins are found already bent.

One interesting property of silver is that it "crystallizes" with age; it becomes more brittle over time. Mediaeval silver coins that could bend easily when they were freshly minted would now snap clean in half instead.
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Post by: Triggersmob on January 02, 2013, 11:20:40 PM
I'm not sure about my thinnest coin, but I think this Qing Dynasty coin would be a contender.
 
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Post by: keldaw on January 03, 2013, 08:18:20 AM
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not leaving till 9.30 am so just a quick one ..

 steve is it the same as these  ??
the dark one in the pic of 4 is a little bit smaller so i think it may be different to the others ,  
i dont know if they are of any value in this condition but kinda nice to have still .. and makes you wonder where they have travelled to and from and how many hands they have been through in there lifetime ??
i think interesting items still .. 183 years old ,,, great hey ,,,

 ,, kel ,,
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Post by: ausjack on January 03, 2013, 08:39:43 AM
I think a lot of us are the same in that way as I don't know what it is but there's just something about holding something very old or rare, be it coins, papers, a tool, an amimal or even the ground we walk on..i just get a warm fuzzy :stinker: Ooop's, pardon me please :mocking:
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Post by: Triggersmob on January 03, 2013, 10:18:30 PM
Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='5630' dateline='1357163300'steve is it the same as these  ??

 ,, kel ,,

Very similar, check this site and see if you can identify them..
http://www.sportstune.com/chinese/coins/idpage2.html