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Non Numismatic Discussion => Chin Wag => Topic started by: serial on October 12, 2015, 11:52:14 PM

Title: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: serial on October 12, 2015, 11:52:14 PM
It is faintly marked as 9ct gold and is old rose gold.
I got it in a bulk lot on the weekend and cannot figure it out but figured some of the older members might know.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/PA120355.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/PA120352.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/PA120353.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/PA120354.JPG)
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: Fulvio on October 13, 2015, 12:17:38 AM
No idea what it is, but maybe you could research Mary?

http://slwa.wa.gov.au/pdf/mn/mn2501_3000/mn2538.pdf
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: serial on October 13, 2015, 12:47:22 AM
yes, done that now, but it has left me none the wiser as to what I have, I do know that mary was a spinster widow who died family less and that comet vale (location 29.942°S 121.126°E)was a small gold mine town near Coolgardie that no longer exist (explains what I go a 2.1 gram gold nugget in the lot) but I really want to know what this is!!! :(
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: Coiny Chris on October 13, 2015, 04:36:27 AM
Hello,

I am old...... For someone who knows everything you will need a 20 YO Uni student though. Anyway... It may be as simple as a paperweight, or a wax seal that was never finished. Many people put interesting things on their desks, like a strange shaped rock from a holiday. It may be  a random item that has been engraved rather than " something " as such. An ore sample given by a lover ? In the end you may have to " decide " what it is yourself.
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: Nevol on October 13, 2015, 09:01:57 AM
It looks like a scarf ring.
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: Unicorn on October 13, 2015, 09:13:30 AM
I reckon Nevol's on the money .......

The only thing I could come up with was that it was McNamara's ... Band (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=101Y0sh2Lfg)
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: Coiny Chris on October 13, 2015, 11:34:14 AM
Hello,

I think Nevol would be either right / or the best so far. I didnt see it was hollow.
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: trout on October 13, 2015, 12:02:00 PM
Comet Vale sounds like a Horses name.
It could be something to do with the racing scene or a bridal adornment for a horse ??
Comet Vale is also the name of a Gold Mine :ok:
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: serial on October 13, 2015, 01:40:01 PM
Yeh I think scarf ring is the best guess so far, the owner of this was quite active locally and bought some very expensive properties/mining rights but never married after her sweet heart appears to have not returned from the war. Sad really

I will try to use it with a scarf soon
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: Coiny Chris on October 13, 2015, 02:36:07 PM
Hello,

You may have a very nice piece of history. Dont know what it is worth in Dollars, but it would be a good fit in a local museum. From the area of course.
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: Fulvio on October 13, 2015, 04:21:09 PM
Quote from: 'Coiny Chris' pid='80633' dateline='1444709167'it would be a good fit in a local museum. From the area of course.

Given that Comet Vale is long gone, the closest candidate would be Kalgoorlie. Do they even HAVE a museum that might be interested/knowledgeable?
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: robbiegal on October 13, 2015, 04:57:15 PM
I would suggest that serial might be more interested in the gold re-sale value than giving this to a museum
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: Fulvio on October 13, 2015, 05:05:07 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='80636' dateline='1444717635'giving this to a museum

Who said anything about giving?

If there was a suitable museum, they'd be an obvious port of call for identification, and some evaluation of whether it was significant, or just a lump of scrap gold.
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: serial on October 13, 2015, 06:27:31 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='80636' dateline='1444717635'I wowould suggest that serial might be more interested in the gold re-sale value than giving this to a museum

I have been to too many auctions and tender sales of items previously donated to museums. So now i will not give any item to a museum to display when they are just as likely to sell it. When I donate to a museum I give them cash.
However if I considered this just a lump of gold it would already be in my scrap bucket. I like the item and will be keeping it for my personal collection of weird things I have acquired. I just want to know what it is so when I show people I can tell them what it is.
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: robbiegal on October 13, 2015, 09:05:45 PM
interesting - your point bout museum sales
even the RAM sells off stuff

nothing lasts for long I suppose
even when we think it is safely put aside for history's sake .. pity

it is a charming lump of gold indeed
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: Fulvio on October 13, 2015, 09:27:16 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='80643' dateline='1444732545'nothing lasts for long I suppose

Yesssss.... something I'm finding increasingly disturbing.

I'm all for progress, having been a computer geek all my life.

But...

Far too often, its just change for the sake of change, or worse, for ulterior motives, and bugger the history.

And it seems to apply to absolutely everything. Its like we've all fallen down the rabbit hole into a world of fashionistas where anything older than five minutes just won't DO, dahlinks! Witness the flavour-of-the-moment operating systems on your computers. There was nothing wrong with most of them, and no need to obsolesce them. Well, other than to sell you new hardware and software, of course. :dodgy:

The idea of museums cashing in by ditching donations just totally sucks, IMO. Maybe I'm old school, but I remember the old Melbourne Museum and the fact that 90% of the collection was safely in the vaults. They could swap stuff around to give it all an airing now and then, but you were certain that they were doing their utmost to preserve our history.

Nowadays, meh. Its all about ticket sales and whatever's the flavour of the moment. :(
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: serial on October 13, 2015, 09:30:29 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='80643' dateline='1444732545'interesting - your point bout museum sales
even the RAM sells off stuff

nothing lasts for long I suppose
even when we think it is safely put aside for history's sake .. pity

it is a charming lump of gold indeed
I have become disillusioned indeed, I feel that if an item is donated then it should be returned to family if unwanted, not sold off to fund the museum
and yes, it is a very cool piece, just frustrating as I have never seen something like it before, mark my words  I will figure this one out
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: Fulvio on October 13, 2015, 09:38:20 PM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='80645' dateline='1444734029'I feel that if an item is donated then it should be returned to family if unwanted

:agreed:

Yes, absolutely! This is the only moral option, and by choosing not to do it, they're burning far more valuable goodwill than the few bucks they're likely to make.
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: serial on October 13, 2015, 09:53:55 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='80647' dateline='1444734500'
Quote from: 'serial' pid='80645' dateline='1444734029'I feel that if an item is donated then it should be returned to family if unwanted

:agreed:

Yes, absolutely! This is the only moral option, and by choosing not to do it, they're burning far more valuable goodwill than the few bucks they're likely to make.
well as I said I for one will never donate an item, I may lend it but that is as far as I go
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: Coiny Chris on October 13, 2015, 09:56:07 PM
Hello,

This is the world we live in. Everything is for money. Places that once were a charity, no longer. Some scheming fink has decided to line their pockets. Taking after Politicians unfortunately.
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: Fulvio on October 14, 2015, 01:43:04 AM
Quote from: 'Coiny Chris' pid='80650' dateline='1444735567'This is the world we live in. Everything is for money.

Sad, but true. Ah, for the good old days... :(
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: serial on October 14, 2015, 02:26:12 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='80653' dateline='1444749184'
Quote from: 'Coiny Chris' pid='80650' dateline='1444735567'This is the world we live in. Everything is for money.

Sad, but true. Ah, for the good old days... :(
yes the good old days, world war, poor education, poor health care, institutionalised racism/sexism, significant gaps between the wealthy and poor, a weak justice system due to lack of forensic technology, institutional sexual abuse of youth in orphanages, churches mental institutions, lower general standard of living and far shorter life expectancy.
yup the good old days, next time you think this reflect on the medical treatment you receive today and think "would I have been able to receive this in the good old days"  and odds are the treatment wasn't even around much less affordable to the average person.

anyway on topic this is the nugget I got with this item that I now assume came from the same area. both items will be kept together now
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/PA120351.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/PA120350.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/PA120349.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/PA120348.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/PA120347.JPG)
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: Fulvio on October 14, 2015, 07:10:51 PM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='80670' dateline='1444794972'yes the good old days, world war, poor education, poor health care, institutionalised racism/sexism, significant gaps between the wealthy and poor, a weak justice system due to lack of forensic technology, institutional sexual abuse of youth in orphanages, churches mental institutions, lower general standard of living and far shorter life expectancy.

Hrm.. I could argue those points in detail, since some haven't actually improved, but that would be hugely off-topic, so I'll desist.

Lovely nugget though. Definitely a plus having them both together. Especially if you can establish a link.
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: Goldseeker on October 14, 2015, 07:40:09 PM
That nugget is a specimen, that is gold and quartz together.

Still a very nice specimen.

What is the weight of the specimen?
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: robbiegal on October 14, 2015, 07:46:01 PM
wow is that pure gold? ex the quartz
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: serial on October 14, 2015, 07:55:47 PM
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='80676' dateline='1444813809'That nugget is a specimen, that is gold and quartz together.

Still a very nice specimen.

What is the weight of the specimen?
2.1 grams, I love it and will be keeping the 2 together.
I think the quartz makes it look better, I have a few nuggets without inclusions but this is my fav.


Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='80678' dateline='1444814161'wow is that pure gold? ex the quartz
generally speaking WA nuggets are high purity but this baby will never be refined by me.
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: robbiegal on October 14, 2015, 08:15:01 PM
so is the ínclusion' the quartz?
it looks just beautiful

I grew up around copper silver lead and zinc
never really saw gold
that gold nugget is just beautiful - obviously small - but just stunning
i'm smitten!
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: Goldseeker on October 14, 2015, 08:15:53 PM
I have to agree with serial on the purity.   WA nuggets are pretty high in carats.

Nice looking one there for 2.1 grams.

Just looking at the amount of quartz in it I would say around 1.5 grams of gold and 0.6 grams of quartz.
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: Fulvio on October 14, 2015, 09:38:46 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='80681' dateline='1444815901'so is the ínclusion' the quartz?

Yup. Its quite common to find gold and quartz together in primary deposits. That's because the gold is 'dissolved' and concentrated by hot water and precipitates out in cracks in the rocks. And quartz is similarly dissolved and precipitated.

Secondary, alluvial deposits are formed when the rocks are exposed and eroded. Then the gold is carried away in runoff and being heavier, settles at the bottom of creeks, lakes and seas.

AFAIK, gold in the eastern states is mostly alluvial, whereas WA deposits are much older, and still locked up in its original form.

(Blame my teachers for any errors in my knowledge... I never got bitten by the gold bug. :angel:)
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: robbiegal on October 15, 2015, 01:01:13 AM
thanks for the mineralogy lesson fulvio
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: Robster on October 15, 2015, 08:18:42 AM
Nice, would look cool sitting on an early Penny.!
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: robbiegal on October 15, 2015, 09:36:14 AM
a 1920 dot above top scroll would be perfect
bet serial has a ton of them too
they'd be as scarce as the 1923 halfpenny and he has one of them
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: serial on October 15, 2015, 11:39:48 AM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='80693' dateline='1444863974'a 1920 dot above top scroll would be perfect
bet serial has a ton of them too
they'd be as scarce as the 1923 halfpenny and he has one of them
lol I wish :)
but will a 1919 dot below do?
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/PA150341.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/PA150339.JPG)
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: robbiegal on October 15, 2015, 12:05:55 PM
sweet

keep an eye out
as you seem to get unchecked lots
happy for you to send some over - I can go through them for you

that is a 1919 dot below
go get a double dot young man!!
show the gold respect!! ha ha
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: Fulvio on October 15, 2015, 12:08:19 PM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='80696' dateline='1444871388'but will a 1919 dot below do?

Looks awesome!

Now, just stick it in the oven on 1,064°C for maybe 3 minutes... that should be enough to fuse them together. :diablo:
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: serial on October 15, 2015, 12:56:51 PM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='80698' dateline='1444873099'
Quote from: 'serial' pid='80696' dateline='1444871388'but will a 1919 dot below do?

Looks awesome!

Now, just stick it in the oven on 1,064°C for maybe 3 minutes... that should be enough to fuse them together. :diablo:
hhmm my oven only goes up to 350, time to get a new oven?

Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='80697' dateline='1444872955'sweet

keep an eye out
as you seem to get unchecked lots
happy for you to send some over - I can go through them for you

that is a 1919 dot below
go get a double dot young man!!
show the gold respect!! ha ha
I actually have quite a few kilos of pennies unchecked for varieties and just picked clean by me of key dates (eg 25,46 uncirc early dates etc) I haven't got around to getting a penny variety book and going through them yet. with a baby on the way I cant see myself doing it any time soon either.
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: robbiegal on October 15, 2015, 01:15:28 PM
congrats on the baby on the way mate!

trouble with the varieties is that many of the books don't have photos anyways
but the old fred lever book is great for actual die varieties and he now has a lot of small photos in his book
usually can get it through prospect coins in Sydney and their postage is fast and reasonable

the die varieties command more $$ over good old errors
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: oh my florin on October 15, 2015, 02:02:47 PM
Quote from: 'Coiny Chris' pid='80623' dateline='1444673187'Hello,

I am old...... For someone who knows everything you will need a 20 YO Uni student though. Anyway... It may be as simple as a paperweight, or a wax seal that was never finished. Many people put interesting things on their desks, like a strange shaped rock from a holiday. It may be  a random item that has been engraved rather than " something " as such. An ore sample given by a lover ? In the end you may have to " decide " what it is yourself.

Will a 19 yo uni student do? Haha. If not give me exactly a month and I can fit the bill perfectly.

Anyway are you sure it is 9ct gold? When I first saw the stamp on the side I thought .900 fine?

Regardless nice find and nice history
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: trout on October 15, 2015, 02:05:54 PM
Here is a small piece of alluvial Western Australian Gold :)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/nugget.jpg)
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: Unicorn on October 15, 2015, 02:10:17 PM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='80699' dateline='1444876011'.... with a baby on the way .....

Congratulations Serial (and Mrs Serial of course), what day is bub scheduled for release?

oh and btw .... Nice Nuggets Gents!
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: serial on October 15, 2015, 02:44:25 PM
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='80704' dateline='1444880417'
Quote from: 'serial' pid='80699' dateline='1444876011'.... with a baby on the way .....

Congratulations Serial (and Mrs Serial of course), what day is bub scheduled for release?

oh and btw .... Nice Nuggets Gents!
25th feb
things are coming along nicely
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: Unicorn on October 15, 2015, 02:57:51 PM
That's great Serial ...... just think if Bub is 4 days late he/she will be a leap year Bub.
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: serial on October 15, 2015, 03:17:38 PM
if baby is 8 days late it will have a birth date between my daughter and wife
This pregnancy is very auspicious and I am very much looking forward to having another child
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: stevo1962 on October 15, 2015, 04:43:39 PM
Quote from: 'serial' pid='80707' dateline='1444884458'if baby is 8 days late it will have a birth date between my daughter and wife
This pregnancy is very auspicious and I am very much looking forward to having another child

Yeah the new baby will give you something to do so at least you won't be sitting
at home twiddling your thumbs
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: Robster on October 15, 2015, 04:46:55 PM
Wonderful images everyone, brings the coins to life.! :wavemulticolor:
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: oh my florin on October 15, 2015, 04:49:01 PM
Congratulations
Title: RE: anyone here know what this is?
Post by: robbiegal on October 15, 2015, 09:33:29 PM
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='80708' dateline='1444889619'
Quote from: 'serial' pid='80707' dateline='1444884458'if baby is 8 days late it will have a birth date between my daughter and wife
This pregnancy is very auspicious and I am very much looking forward to having another child

Yeah the new baby will give you something to do so at least you won't be sitting
at home twiddling your thumbs
having just spent a week with my daughter and their newborn, I agree 110% with that statement!!