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Title: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: Enlilninlil on August 21, 2015, 09:41:37 PM
Ok I have read a lot of stuff on the internet that explains nothing on the issue apart from the numbering is AA 01000000. What I would like to know, for every first letter prefix, what is the last letter prefix. I have a fifty dollar note HM 06761355, and I do not know if M is the last letter in the second letter prefix. It could be o or Q.
Thank you for any replies.
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: Pedro on August 21, 2015, 10:07:25 PM
Enlilninlil - the following website should assist.

http://australiancoinsandbanknotes.com/

Pedro
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: Fulvio on August 21, 2015, 11:09:01 PM
Quote from: 'Enlilninlil' pid='78021' dateline='1440159097'for every first letter prefix, what is the last letter prefix.

Notes are numbered as follows nowadays:

XXYY NNNNNN

XX = Prefix, IE: position on sheet (AA top left, across then down)
YY = Year
NNNNNN = Sheet serial number, counts down from 999999 to zero

Prefixes are normally AA-AM, BA-BM, CA-CM, DA-DM, etc, for as many prefixes as needed. The number of notes on a sheet varies by note size.

I have a PDF at http://fulvio55.altervista.org that shows the first and last prefixes for each year.

TEST NOTES
In 1996, in order to test a new substrate coating (the white layer that holds the inks onto the polymer), the $100 Test Notes were numbered from xN to xZ. Unfortnately, it was soon discovered that $100 notes didn't circulate very much, being too valuable at the time. Therefore the following year, the experiment was repeated with $5 notes.

Note that there is no A first letter for $5 notes. They start at BA because of the different A prefix system used prior to the introduction of years into the serial number.

Here's a pretty good visualisation of how it all works:
http://www.polymernotes.org/other_country/AUS_numbering.htm
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: Enlilninlil on August 22, 2015, 05:38:58 AM
Thanks for the replies, but they do not answer my question.
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: Pedro on August 22, 2015, 07:47:47 AM
Ah, I think I see what you are asking now.

As far as I know the all combinations of the two letters (eg BA through to BZ, CA through to CZ etc) should occur between whatever are the designated first and last prefixes. I'm not an expert so I'm sure someone will correct me if I've got the wrong end of the stick.

Pedro
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: Nevol on August 22, 2015, 08:03:18 AM
I hope this might help you as it gives the first and last prefixes for each year up to 2013.  Last prefix for 06 $50's is JC06.
http://banknotes.rba.gov.au/resources/for-collectors/serial-numbers/
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: Mister T on August 22, 2015, 11:04:36 AM
M is the highest last letter prefix used, with the exception of the test notes Fulvio mentioned. I don't know why.
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: Enlilninlil on August 22, 2015, 08:11:25 PM
Ok what I am asking is, say out of the A first prefix, what is the highest second prefix. So the lowest is AA and the highest is AM or another letter. This should be the same for the rest of the first prefix alphabet.
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: Fulvio on August 22, 2015, 11:06:53 PM
Quote from: 'Enlilninlil' pid='78077' dateline='1440240085'Ok what I am asking is, say out of the A first prefix, what is the highest second prefix. So the lowest is AA and the highest is AM or another letter. This should be the same for the rest of the first prefix alphabet.

Sorry, I thought I did answer this.

AA, AB, AC, etc, all the way to
AK, AL, AM then the next one is
BA, BB, BC etc etc, rinse and repeat until they have enough.

The only two notes to go above M are the '96 $100 and '97 $5. Because that's to distinguish the test notes from the normal ones

Quote from: 'Pedro' pid='78039' dateline='1440195467'As far as I know the all combinations of the two letters (eg BA through to BZ, CA through to CZ etc) should occur between whatever are the designated first and last prefixes. I'm not an expert so I'm sure someone will correct me if I've got the wrong end of the stick.

Nope. They stop at M. So AM, BM, CM, DM, ... theoretically to ZM, 'cept they never get that high. And, of course, the last sheet is never a complete set of second characters or serials, because of the number of notes on a sheet not being a multiple of 13, and because they stop at whatever number they decide is enough for that year.

Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='78054' dateline='1440207276'I don't know why.

I don't think anyone does. Although I would guess its probably to allow wiggle room for when they need to do test notes or special runs. Like in '96-'97.
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: NZCoinerrors on August 23, 2015, 11:15:59 AM
Great links I will have to make sure to save these for the future

Can you still buy UNC notes from the RBA?  I ask as you can no longer purchase new notes from the reserve bank in NZ and it makes it alot harder to find new notes.

Our prefixes are the same in NZ AA-AM BA-BM CA-CM & DA for most years and I managed to get a complete set of UNC prefixes for the 2014 $5 lol Now my wife is trying to sell it haha.
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: Nevol on August 23, 2015, 11:23:16 AM
I'm no longer collecting notes, but the Reserve Bank (RBA) was selling notes, but the last year they did so was 2013 and it seems to be the consensus of opinion that there's going to be a change next year, so possibly no notes for either 2014 or 2015.

I'm happy to be corrected about this though. :whistle2:

Don't know if they sell previous years, someone else can chime in here. :winkextra:
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: Pedro on August 23, 2015, 11:47:01 AM
Quote from: 'Fulvio' pid='78082' dateline='1440250613'
Quote from: 'Pedro' pid='78039' dateline='1440195467'As far as I know the all combinations of the two letters (eg BA through to BZ, CA through to CZ etc) should occur between whatever are the designated first and last prefixes. I'm not an expert so I'm sure someone will correct me if I've got the wrong end of the stick.

Nope. They stop at M. So AM, BM, CM, DM, ... theoretically to ZM, 'cept they never get that high. And, of course, the last sheet is never a complete set of second characters or serials, because of the number of notes on a sheet not being a multiple of 13, and because they stop at whatever number they decide is enough for that year.



Thanks Fulvio - my something learned for the day!

Pedro
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: Mister T on August 23, 2015, 08:22:56 PM
Quote from: 'NZCoinerrors' pid='78100' dateline='1440294359'Can you still buy UNC notes from the RBA?  I ask as you can no longer purchase new notes from the reserve bank in NZ and it makes it alot harder to find new notes.

I think they didn't this year and last year they only sold first and last prefixes.

Quote from: 'NZCoinerrors' pid='78100' dateline='1440294359'Our prefixes are the same in NZ AA-AM BA-BM CA-CM & DA for most years and I managed to get a complete set of UNC prefixes for the 2014 $5 lol Now my wife is trying to sell it haha.

Probably printed by NPA too I'm thinking.
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: Fulvio on August 23, 2015, 09:23:49 PM
Quote from: 'Mister T' pid='78129' dateline='1440327176'Probably printed by NPA too I'm thinking.

They were at the outset. No idea if that's still the case though. Canada was getting rather aggressive with their marketing I heard.
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: Enlilninlil on August 29, 2015, 05:21:57 PM
Thank you for the replies and clarity.
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: JeffH on December 09, 2016, 02:45:32 PM
I noticed a $5 2012 note the other day with a serial starting 12 345nnn. Since then I have seen a couple more 123..... and 1234....
It got me thinking -is it possible there are some notes (any denomination) from 2012 that could have the serial 12345678? I would imagine they would have been snaffled rather quickly if they hit circulation.
Has any one heard of such serials?

Also, yesterday, I received three $50 consecutive serials (and another just a few digits away) from 2009. Beautiful condition; is that another indicator of how slack Armaguard is in turning over stock? It would appear they have been in hiding for seven years before hitting circulation!
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: Fulvio on December 09, 2016, 05:18:58 PM
Check the PDF. Yes, $5, $10, $50 all had 345678 in 2012.

Collect the set.. I dare ya! :)

We all know Armaguard are slack. They still have a sack of Holey Dollars in the back of the vault somewhere. :diablo:
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: JeffH on December 09, 2016, 05:34:18 PM
QuoteCollect the set.. I dare ya!
I would if I could but...where do I start? And what should I budget?

Was there a countdown in 1987? I don't recall the year being part of the prefix back then.
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: Unicorn on December 09, 2016, 05:53:19 PM
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='102455' dateline='1481256932'Also, yesterday, I received three $50 consecutive serials (and another just a few digits away) from 2009. Beautiful condition; is that another indicator of how slack Armaguard is in turning over stock?

Quite interesting Jeff, I got about 10 consecutive perfect 2009 $50s back a few months ago. Unfortunately I had to use them.
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: Noelos237 on December 18, 2016, 10:12:35 AM
Found a $50 EB13. The thing is the B is placed noticeably lower than the E and the numbers. Can someone explain what this is?
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: gnome on December 18, 2016, 10:27:09 AM
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10012/_1_dropped_last_no_s_28400x20029.jpg) (http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10012/_1_radar_note.jpg)

Similar to these except with a letter
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: Noelos237 on December 18, 2016, 01:04:13 PM
Yeah like that. Is my note worth anything above face (condition is not uncirculated but close).
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: gnome on December 18, 2016, 01:44:06 PM
Can you post a pic, please. It would probably be worth more than face value, unsure by how much. Haven't collected notes for awhile now, sorry.
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: Noelos237 on December 18, 2016, 05:23:10 PM
(http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o598/noelosdub/IMG_1559_zpslwpp8pz2.jpg)
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: keldaw on December 18, 2016, 05:46:44 PM
these are good notes to collect ,
this is called a repeater note ,   CG 02 322 322
AND THIS CALLED A 8 NUMBER  RADAR  NOTE CG 02322320

(http://i64.tinypic.com/f2l9k.jpg)

AND THIS CALLED A 8 NUMBER  RADAR  NOTE CG 02322320
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2mfewck.jpg)
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Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: interest on December 18, 2016, 09:47:35 PM
Serial numbers are cool I bought these from a member a couple of months back. Nice First & last prefixes.
Thanks Peter
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/interest88/Image2-4_zpsdbs1wkju.jpg)

With this Pound note good numbers nothing really special, but I liked them enough.
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/interest88/Image1-260_zpszell0gft.jpg)
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: gnome on December 19, 2016, 01:19:58 AM
To me, and this is just an opinion, it is a very minor drop. I probably wouldn't keep it.
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: Unicorn on December 19, 2016, 01:20:20 AM
Oddly enough this one dropped into my hands tonight showing the second 9 dropped, then I read Noel's post ...... how bizarre. Unfortunately it'll be going on bills tomorrow. :cray:

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/50_drop_1.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/50_drop_2.jpg)
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: gnome on December 19, 2016, 12:27:45 PM
I have some pieces still, but not actively collecting them anymore.
Think this may have been the last one I bought awhile back.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10012/DSCF1177.JPG)
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: Unicorn on December 19, 2016, 01:01:39 PM
That's a lovely one G!
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: gnome on December 19, 2016, 01:37:19 PM
Thanks uni, :)
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: interest on December 19, 2016, 01:47:18 PM
Quote from: 'interest' pid='102911' dateline='1482059855'Serial numbers are cool I bought these from a member a couple of months back. Nice First & last prefixes.
Thanks Peter
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/interest88/Image2-4_zpsdbs1wkju.jpg)


With this Pound note good numbers nothing really special, but I liked them enough.
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/interest88/Image1-260_zpszell0gft.jpg)

And this one, another first & last Prefix
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/interest88/Image1-261_zps8src2uv1.jpg)
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: gnome on December 19, 2016, 01:49:38 PM
Nice notes there Interest, bit of a fan of the older ones like the pound and shilling notes.
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: Unicorn on December 19, 2016, 02:08:25 PM
Yes, I must agree G. I really love the reverse of the later five pound and the obverse of the later ten pound. Beautiful workmanship. :good:
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: JeffH on April 01, 2018, 08:27:19 AM
The ATM at my local bank is still dispensing consecutive number, 2009 $50 notes. I have been keeping an eye on serial numbers but never getting near to a radar or repeater. I was thinking, if that happens, then a big withdrawal could be in order -keep the collectible one and deposit the rest back in the machine!

Armaguard must have been sitting on a hell of a lot of those.
Title: RE: Banknote serial numbers
Post by: Hercules on April 01, 2018, 09:36:08 PM
They're also issuing brand new 2011 ones at my local branch. They did the new 2009 ones a year or two ago.