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Title: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 16, 2015, 06:03:30 AM
As the Canberra Florin is a popular coin for collectors Worldwide, not just Australian collectors I thought I would start a thread dedicated to this coin.
As this was the First Australian Commemorative coin and it was "Hoarded" by many it isn't that difficult to acquire them in reasonable condition.
The toning on some of these coins can be spectacular due to the way they were stored and the strike quality is normally judged by the number of steps in the Parliament house design and the maces on the reverse.
The "Ear" is the determining factor for strike on the obverse.

I suggest we post images of our coins in our collections and new acquisitions of this coin here, I personally NEVER get bored looking at images of these  :yahoo:

I will kick this of by posting images of the coins I picked up this morning on eBay :)

Nice steps on this one (sellers images)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra~3.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra1~3.jpg)

Trifecta of What looks like EF coins (Once again Sellers images)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra2~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra3~1.jpg)

Looking forward to seeing your Canberras , it doesn't matter what grade they are They are always pleasing to view :wavemulticolor:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Triggersmob on August 16, 2015, 09:45:03 AM
You have some lovely examples of this coin Trout.
This is my one and only.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10113/1927_Australia_One_Florin_-_Parliament_House.JPG)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 16, 2015, 10:33:59 AM
A nice honest coin Steve :good:

Here are a few differently toned coins.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra_ms64a.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra_toned.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra~2.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/cam.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ott2.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ott1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ott.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ph1~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ph3~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ph6.jpg)

 
 


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Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on August 16, 2015, 10:58:03 AM
Some great Coins there..here is one i had out whilst playing with the Aldi Microscope,strange Toning but a nice 2 stepper, with light turned off it looks like 3 steps.I have some genuine 3 steppers somewhere,i'll post some Pics. next time i have them out.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/IMG_0001~5.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/27_3_steps3.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/27_3steps_2.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 16, 2015, 11:02:34 AM
Looks like a 3 stepper to me Mate :yahoo:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: JeffH on August 16, 2015, 11:06:12 AM
I like those toned ones trout.
Now, just for the record; do you have a 'blast white' one?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 16, 2015, 11:13:13 AM
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='77859' dateline='1439688972'I like those toned ones trout.
Now, just for the record; do you have a 'blast white' one?
Look at the 3rd and fourth coins down on my post :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: JeffH on August 16, 2015, 12:00:27 PM
I must need my eyes checked!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on August 16, 2015, 05:06:39 PM
picked up this little number today at the markets
has more green hues on the obverse than what my photo has captured & the underlying cartwheel lustre is excellent
bring on the Canberra florins!!!

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/P8160008_-_Copy.JPG)(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/P8160004_-_Copy.JPG)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 16, 2015, 07:04:11 PM
Nice pick up RG :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on August 16, 2015, 08:38:50 PM
I should post it over to you Trout and get you to take a photo of the coin
Then send it back to me, of course, it is not high enough for pcgs but still a nice coin
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 17, 2015, 04:49:56 AM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='77873' dateline='1439723330'I should post it over to you Trout and get you to take a photo of the coin
Then send it back to me, of course, it is not high enough for pcgs but still a nice coin

Don't be too sure of that RG, Looks an easy MS62 if not better depending on the surface condition :ok:
If you want a superb image of this coin I would suggest that you send it to Mark, He has offered this service to members for a mere $5 per coin.
Marks imagery makes PCGS "True View" look amateurish :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on August 19, 2015, 10:31:53 AM
Nice eg(as far as steps go) of a early mint coin.I have others somewhere,will post Pics. when i find them.

 (http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/IMG_0001~6.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/1927_3_step_uk.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/uk_2.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 19, 2015, 10:59:56 AM
Nice ones Basil :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: oh my florin on August 19, 2015, 10:31:10 PM
Hey trout don't know if you have seen but in one of the upcoming numisbid auctions they have a ms65+ Canberra florin with an estimate of 1600-2000? Check it out if your interested maybe I will put in a few bids haha jokes :P
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: wwwww on August 19, 2015, 10:57:52 PM
I think this one is more interesting:
http://www.numisbid.com.au/Browse/1927_Florin_PCGS_MS63PL/17707

(http://img.numismatics.com.au/32376/3/16772829/800x800.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 20, 2015, 05:46:24 AM
Aw jeeze Walter.
Now you have let the cat out of the bag Mate.
I would swap 2 of my MS65 coins for that Beuty anyday
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: duggee27 on August 20, 2015, 07:33:25 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='77944' dateline='1440015384'Aw jeeze Walter.
Now you have let the cat out of the bag Mate.
I would swap 2 of my MS65 coins for that Beuty anyday

going to be some lurkers on this coin now !!
me included :angel:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: stevo1962 on August 20, 2015, 08:23:14 AM
Yeah might have a go at that one as I need a Canberra Florin for my collection
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: serial on August 20, 2015, 09:34:12 AM
"Est. $240 - $300"
haha your funny walter

walter I have never seen the "prooflike" designation on a 27 florin before, how did you get that?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: oh my florin on August 20, 2015, 11:02:04 AM
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='77937' dateline='1439990872'I think this one is more interesting:
http://www.numisbid.com.au/Browse/1927_Florin_PCGS_MS63PL/17707

(http://img.numismatics.com.au/32376/3/16772829/800x800.jpg)

Thanks Walter for that it is amazing and I would seriously consider going hard for it.

Though a quick question how many coins have that designation or proof like as I have never seen it on Australian coins before.

Quote from: 'serial' pid='77950' dateline='1440029052'"Est. $240 - $300"
haha your funny walter

I second that serial. Walter does have a sense of humour :P

By the way trout you can go for the 65+ and I will go for the proof like :P
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: serial on August 20, 2015, 11:25:58 AM
Quote from: 'oh my florin' pid='77952' dateline='1440034324'
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='77937' dateline='1439990872'I think this one is more interesting:
http://www.numisbid.com.au/Browse/1927_Florin_PCGS_MS63PL/17707

(http://img.numismatics.com.au/32376/3/16772829/800x800.jpg)


Thanks Walter for that it is amazing and I would seriously consider going hard for it.

Though a quick question how many coins have that designation or proof like as I have never seen it on Australian coins before.

Quote from: 'serial' pid='77950' dateline='1440029052'"Est. $240 - $300"
haha your funny walter

I second that serial. Walter does have a sense of humour :P

By the way trout you can go for the 65+ and I will go for the proof like :P
well I know what I would bid for this coin and I don't have the deepest pockets. alas I don't think I will end up with it but I wouldn't be surprised if this coin touch's $1k
I have never seen that designation on a coin and honestly I would pay for it just to see what it looks like in hand as I have seen proof like florins before but none worthy of a pcgs pl designation
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 20, 2015, 11:53:40 AM
I think i have quite enough 65s :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: wwwww on August 21, 2015, 08:54:47 PM
I've never seen a prooflike designation from PCGS on any other Aus coin either.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 21, 2015, 09:07:28 PM
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='78016' dateline='1440156287'I've never seen a prooflike designation from PCGS on any other Aus coin either.
ua
If I get my way we may see this on the wedding set coins :good:
This coin is unusual because it was obviously struck on a proof planchet but the strike is a bit ordinary .
Looks like a spare proof planchet was tossed into the bin of normal planchets and struck with a non proof die.
I would love to know the story behind the minting of this particular coin.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 23, 2015, 06:01:32 AM
This is a nice 3 stepper that got graded MS63.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/32538623_large.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on August 23, 2015, 09:23:32 AM
Lovely coins,i'm not posting my images anymore...LOL...
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Australian coin on August 23, 2015, 09:50:58 PM
I have pics of one I seen at the show, will add later, when I have time, for troutie
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 24, 2015, 09:03:46 AM
Quote from: 'Australian coin' pid='78146' dateline='1440332458'I have pics of one I seen at the show, will add later, when I have time, for troutie

Thanks Mate, I never get tired at looking at all the different Canberra's :yahoo:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Australian coin on August 24, 2015, 10:07:46 AM
the guy said he'd do it for $100, it had $120 on it, so I got his phone number if you want it, its in a sticky 2x2 and I don't know if its been cleaned, it looks shiny, and has a blob of something in the parliament window, I took pics on angles, no massive marks or wear, might have had a dip? its nice and I don't know enough to say its had a clean, there is no cloth marks on it, but I know to look at the orbs for wear, they look good, and 3 steps!
there is 7 huge pics ill add them as is

http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/P8220014.JPG

http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/P8220015.JPG

http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/P8220016.JPG

http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/P8220017.JPG

http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/P8220018.JPG

http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/P8220019.JPG

http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10011/P8220020.JPG
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 24, 2015, 10:20:42 AM
Thanks for the images Kimmy, I think I will Pass on this one :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 24, 2015, 11:56:29 AM
I have just picked this up from the post office.
For me this one has that "WOW" factor.
NO bagging on the obverse or the reverse Stunning underlying lustre.
Immensely happy with this purchase :dance::dance2::dance: :yahoo:

Meet "Lorna"
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/laura1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/laura3.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/laura5.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/laura6.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: oh my florin on August 24, 2015, 02:15:43 PM
Nice trout
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 24, 2015, 04:00:42 PM
I think this is one of the best examples of this coin I have had in my hot little hands.
I'm pretty excited with this one as it is rare indeed to see one of these that you know with a fair bit of certainty that it has never suffered a dip or had a rub with a cloth.
It came in a fragile piece of folded paper with a date of 1934 on it.
I imagine this has sat in a cupboard for the last 70 years undisturbed until recently.
I am so glad I emailed the seller and made a point of asking that they don't clean it before they sent it :good:
This is the original listing for this coin;
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/111672161320?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: JeffH on August 24, 2015, 04:34:29 PM
What do you estimate the likely grade Jim? Looks good in your photos.
I think that was a very good buy at the price.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 24, 2015, 04:41:45 PM
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='78197' dateline='1440399869'What do you estimate the likely grade Jim? Looks good in your photos.
I think that was a very good buy at the price.

The fields are clear and has plenty of lustre ,a couple of marks on the edge of the rim and not a super strong strike.
I will be disappointed if this doesn't come back MS65 and won't be gobsmacked if it gets a 66.
I will be sending this next week and will find out in due course :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 25, 2015, 11:31:05 AM
This is an email I got from the seller after I had paid for the coin.
I think it was very thoughtful for the seller to send me this information and it is really nice to learn the provenance of this coin.
I told the seller that I would name the coin after her mother and she was delighted .
here is the email I got;

QuoteJim, Wondered if you would be interested in it's provenance.
This coin belonged to our mum. She originally had two, one has previously sold. She had them wrapped up and stored in her cupboard for years that my sister and myself can remember, occasionally she would bring them out to show us. She passed away in 2007, at aged 90 and we put most of her items away in cupboards till we could deal with them. We had looked and looked at keeping them but as no-one in our family has any interest and neither my sister or myself are coin collectors we decided to sell and hopefully go to a collector.

It is wrapped in some old paper with date of 1934 handwritten on it, and I will include with the coin for you. You can make your own decision on whether to keep or dispose. Her name was Lorna, and she must have bought it at some time from a dealer herself, maybe she was going to start collecting? Anyhow, just thought I would throw this info your way in case you are interested.
Kind Regards
Sue
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 27, 2015, 08:16:29 AM
I added this one to my collection curtesy of Numisbid, Thanks Walter :good:

 (http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/32290956_large.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 31, 2015, 01:57:15 PM
I bought this a while back as a "Curiosity".
Gold plated Canberra

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/gp~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/gp1.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: kchan1111 on August 31, 2015, 11:17:32 PM
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='77937' dateline='1439990872'I think this one is more interesting:
http://www.numisbid.com.au/Browse/1927_Florin_PCGS_MS63PL/17707

(http://img.numismatics.com.au/32376/3/16772829/800x800.jpg)

God dammit I went on hols for just a month and this comes up for auction?!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: stevo1962 on September 01, 2015, 11:17:49 AM
Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='78548' dateline='1441028852'
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='77937' dateline='1439990872'I think this one is more interesting:
http://www.numisbid.com.au/Browse/1927_Florin_PCGS_MS63PL/17707

(http://img.numismatics.com.au/32376/3/16772829/800x800.jpg)

God dammit I went on hols for just a month and this comes up for auction?!

   So I wonder who won this coin
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: wwwww on September 01, 2015, 05:43:30 PM
It hasn't sold yet, it's in the September sale.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: kchan1111 on September 01, 2015, 05:53:42 PM
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='78578' dateline='1441095210'It hasn't sold yet, it's in the September sale.

Thought I saw August date...
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on September 01, 2015, 07:39:05 PM
I regretfully sold this coin a while back :cray:
I bought it back a couple of weeks ago and have just picked it up from the post office.:yahoo:
I think you have seen this particular coin "In Hand" Mark :ok:
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/lost1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/lost.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on September 04, 2015, 09:57:07 PM
My Latest addition :)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/new_ph1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/new_ph.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: kchan1111 on September 04, 2015, 10:06:46 PM
Leave some for the rest of us please.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on September 04, 2015, 10:13:14 PM
Quote from: 'kchan1111' pid='78786' dateline='1441370206'Leave some for the rest of us please.

They made 2 million of these, I only have a couple of hundred or so:angel:
Heaps left for every one else :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Unicorn on September 04, 2015, 10:13:56 PM
A nice set of steps there Trout!!! :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on September 04, 2015, 10:14:37 PM
a couple of hundred
wow
makes my page and a half or so, seem a bit inferior!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on September 04, 2015, 10:16:09 PM
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='78790' dateline='1441370636'A nice set of steps there Trout!!! :good:


Looks like the poor old bloke copped one just above the ear tho "Ouch"
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on September 05, 2015, 08:34:19 AM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='78791' dateline='1441370677'a couple of hundred
wow
makes my page and a half or so, seem a bit inferior!

These are my favourite Australian Pre decimal designed coins , I have parted with some of them but not many and the numbers just seem to build up over the years .
I would bet a penny to the pound that you Penny collection would make my Canberra collection look tiny :angel:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on September 05, 2015, 10:16:16 AM
maybe
but I mostly get my pennies from lots and cheap as chips
and 60% of the blighters are 1964 pennies !!! (and very noice ones too)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on September 05, 2015, 10:22:50 AM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='78845' dateline='1441413976'maybe
but I mostly get my pennies from lots and cheap as chips
and 60% of the blighters are 1964 pennies !!! (and very noice ones too)

I have a roll of 64's around here somewhere :angel:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on September 05, 2015, 10:49:00 AM
'somewhere'
 !! OMG - a priceless item like that should be in a glass cabinet on top of the mantelpiece !!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on September 10, 2015, 04:17:45 PM
Another nice eg of steps from an early die/mint.Hard to get a good photo from the Microscope and the scan of the Reverse doesn't show the nice patina.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/Microscope_Aldiresize~0.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/Still0035.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/Still0037.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on September 10, 2015, 04:59:00 PM
is that die fill on the maces - and not wear?
nice steps!!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Robster on September 11, 2015, 08:03:21 AM
"Stepping out". :angel:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on September 11, 2015, 08:42:30 AM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='79113' dateline='1441870140'is that die fill on the maces - and not wear?
nice steps!!

I had another look(its in a new 2x2) this morning RG,looks like wear unfortunately.Part of that would be my slackness,i just thru them in a Bank bag for 40 years as prior to Ebay they had little value and the number of steps wasn't something i looked for.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on September 12, 2015, 09:31:43 AM
Still a nice coin Basil, well done mate :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on September 12, 2015, 09:43:58 AM
Thanks AJ,i've given it a treat by insering it in a 2x2,i should have done that 30 years ago.Some high points on the reverse seem to show wear while others don't.The obverse isn't that flash either although i think the marks near the ear are from other coins,either minting bucket or when i had it stored in a Bank bag.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/Microscope_Aldiresize001.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on September 12, 2015, 09:53:29 AM
Still a hell of a lot better than the couple I have in my collection that most look like road kill but I'm just happy I have a few, and remember we're talking about a coin that's near 90 years old :winkextra:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on September 12, 2015, 12:51:49 PM
yeah I'd agree Basil
I think the old two bob has been slid across many a shop counter
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on September 18, 2015, 07:53:09 AM
Here is another New acquisition.
A nice AU coin with a great set of steps :good:
This coin was sourced from Portugal :)

 (http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ph~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ph1~2.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ph2~1.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: runway on September 18, 2015, 11:49:29 PM
Slab it see what real grade it is
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on September 19, 2015, 05:10:54 AM
Quote from: 'runway' pid='79604' dateline='1442585969'Slab it see what real grade it is

Why on earth would I want to get an AU58 coin Graded by PCGS???
This is a rather well struck coin But it does have some wear on the high points making it AU58.
Having said that , I would rather have a well struck AU58 coin in preference to a weakly struck MS62 anyday :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: runway on September 19, 2015, 10:35:49 PM
Probably same reason anybody would get a coin slabbed
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on September 19, 2015, 10:49:54 PM
Quote from: 'runway' pid='79676' dateline='1442667949'Probably same reason anybody would get a coin slabbed

Tell you what, You pay for every one of my AU55-58 Canberra florins to be graded and I will send them in.
You had better talk to your Bank Manager first tho :angel:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: runway on September 19, 2015, 11:17:51 PM
Question is why do you have so many and what you going to do with them ?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on September 19, 2015, 11:34:56 PM
Quote from: 'runway' pid='79682' dateline='1442670471'Question is why do you have so many and what you going to do with them ?

I LIKE them and I have been collecting them for years.
Every one of them is different and individual in one way or another.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on September 20, 2015, 08:39:46 AM
that is why some people collect
because they enjoy their collection

not all are just after value and 'investment'
which of course makes us poorer!!

what do you collect runway?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on September 20, 2015, 08:40:15 AM
To answer you question "what do I do with them".
I have a good look at every new arrival then I either put them in a 2x2/saflip then add them to an album.
If they are really nice/special  I get them slabbed.
I have probebly sold a dozen or so and given away 50 or so to fellow collectors.

Some people specialise in collecting 1964 penny's ,  The 1927 Canberra Florin is my "Thing' :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on September 20, 2015, 09:03:49 AM
aaaaahhhhhh the 1964 penny  :heart:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on September 20, 2015, 02:11:10 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='79686' dateline='1442704215'To answer you question "what do I do with them".
I have a good look at every new arrival then I either put them in a 2x2/saflip then add them to an album.
If they are really nice/special  I get them slabbed.
I have probebly sold a dozen or so and given away 50 or so to fellow collectors.

Some people specialise in collecting 1964 penny's ,  The 1927 Canberra Florin is my "Thing' :ok:

You forgot sending them :yahoo: your an :angel:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on September 25, 2015, 09:15:06 AM
Great news.
I ended up winning the PL63 Canberra Florin :wavemulticolor:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausproofs on September 25, 2015, 10:31:08 AM
Well done !
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: kchan1111 on September 25, 2015, 11:12:02 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='79940' dateline='1443138306'Great news.
I ended up winning the PL63 Canberra Florin :wavemulticolor:

How???

Congrats. I would love to have one like that.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on September 25, 2015, 11:12:34 AM
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='79941' dateline='1443142868'Well done !

I thought that i had missed out on this uneque  coin until I  got an email from  Walter telling me it was available.
I cant wait to see this "in hand", it will make an awesome addition to my Canberra florin collection
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: wwwww on September 25, 2015, 11:38:47 AM
The winning bidder hit the $1000 button when she had intended to bid $750.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on September 25, 2015, 12:03:02 PM
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='79945' dateline='1443146927'The winning bidder hit the $1000 button when she had intended to bid $750.

Works out perfect for me :dAnce2::dance::dance2:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on September 25, 2015, 03:55:02 PM
Well done cobba so I want pic's, when you get it of course :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on September 25, 2015, 04:16:55 PM
The coin will beat me home.
I am stuck up here in the north west for at least another 2 weeks :dash1:
I will get some images posted as soon as i get home.
This has to be one of the best coin purchases i have made this year.
:yahoo:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausproofs on September 25, 2015, 06:18:14 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='79960' dateline='1443163615'The coin will beat me home.
I am stuck up here in the north west for at least another 2 weeks :dash1:
I will get some images posted as soon as i get home.
This has to be one of the best coin purchases i have made this year.
:yahoo:

I guess working hard is how you make money to pay for the coins :angel:

Well done again with the coin.. I agree, thats a one nice coin :yahoo:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on September 25, 2015, 06:48:33 PM
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='79964' dateline='1443170894'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='79960' dateline='1443163615'The coin will beat me home.
I am stuck up here in the north west for at least another 2 weeks :dash1:
I will get some images posted as soon as i get home.
This has to be one of the best coin purchases i have made this year.
:yahoo:

I guess working hard is how you make money to pay for the coins :angel:

Well done again with the coin.. I agree, thats a one nice coin :yahoo:

I am now glad I couldn't attend the auction,  I would have bid $1500 for this one " in a heartbeat" .
As it is this only cost me $756 with postage the way it all turned out.
I was actually quite devistated when i first learned that I missed this one.
For me this was a "Must Have" :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Unicorn on September 25, 2015, 07:23:41 PM
I just had a look at it Trout, well done! It certainly is an interesting coin and I'm glad it's going to live in the 1927 time capsule. :laugh2:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on October 07, 2015, 09:56:46 PM
I just picked up 15 Canberra florins for $160, lousy images so I won't know what they are like until I get them in hand.
I will enjoy looking at these .
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on October 08, 2015, 08:46:25 AM
Thats about their value Jim,$10,they have been going for ridiculous prices on Ebay the last few years but seem to be getting back to a more realistic value recently.Lets hope you jag a good one amongst them.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on October 08, 2015, 06:27:06 PM
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='80457' dateline='1444256185'Thats about their value Jim,$10,they have been going for ridiculous prices on Ebay the last few years but seem to be getting back to a more realistic value recently.Lets hope you jag a good one amongst them.

From my observations these are getting tougher to get in Unc  and the prices have gone up accordingly.
It wasn't too long ago that $50 would secure you a nice MS62_63 coin , pretty hard to get a deal like that these days :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on October 10, 2015, 12:25:59 AM
I have just got home and took a couple of rushed images of the Proof Like Canberra Florin I won on Numisbid.
I haven't managed to capture the colour on this coin but the fields are Outstanding.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/pr63.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/pr63c.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/pr63a.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/pr63b.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Robster on October 10, 2015, 07:06:22 AM
Superb coin, went to the right home.! :wavemulticolor:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Unicorn on October 10, 2015, 09:25:48 AM
Nice steps Trout!!! :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: autocoupler on October 10, 2015, 09:40:04 AM
Very nice. Are the stains on the outer case or coin?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on October 10, 2015, 10:01:04 AM
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='80542' dateline='1444432204'Very nice. Are the stains on the outer case or coin?

I'm not sure Mate, I just took a couple of hasty images before heading off to bed with a chronic case of the Flue .
So much for that Flue injection :dodgy:
I will have a real good look at the coin this arvo but I am thinking they are not stains but toning :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Unicorn on October 10, 2015, 10:08:03 AM
Hoping that you manage to throw it quickly Trout!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on October 10, 2015, 09:42:52 PM
:drooling: Bloody nice coin troutoffski with plenty of detail mate..love it :good:
Sorry ya crook mate :( I'm only just starting to get over the flu as well and I thought I was going so well this year for the first time in over ten years as I made it past winter but got it late :dash1:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on October 10, 2015, 10:04:23 PM
I have just staggered out of bed and I do feel a little better for it :good:
I am having problems getting images of this coin to show the Proof surfaces and the subtle toning :dash1:
I do now however Know for certain what to look for on a Proof Canberra as the surfaces are Unmistakable , Pretty much the same difference as a Wedding Set coins surfaces :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on October 10, 2015, 10:12:21 PM
Ohhh, well you still better send it over so I can have a closer look :mocking:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on October 10, 2015, 10:19:42 PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='80554' dateline='1444477341'Ohhh, well you still better send it over so I can have a closer look :mocking:

HeHeHe.
I do feel sorry for the other bidder that only matched my proxy so that I ended up with this coin.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on October 11, 2015, 12:19:13 AM
This is the best I can do at the moment :ok:
This shows the 2.5 steps so not only a proof planchet but a rather
good strike as well :)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/pl_63.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/pl63a.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on October 11, 2015, 07:58:05 AM
I still think I need to see it for myself :blush2: :laugh2:

You can tell it would be a bugger to photograph with such shiny fields
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on October 11, 2015, 08:00:46 AM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='80563' dateline='1444512485'I still think I need to see it for myself :blush2: :laugh2:


You can tell it would be a bugger to photograph with such shiny fields

You are more than welcome to come over and have a squiz Mate :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on October 11, 2015, 10:27:23 AM
I'm getting there slowly but surely :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on October 12, 2015, 09:14:15 AM
The influenza doesn't really hit Australia until well after August.  So it is a late flu season here not a winter one. Apparently the infu.  B this year is extremely virulent so the vaccine should help prevent it from killing you. Xx
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on October 12, 2015, 09:25:43 AM
This is the worst dose of the flue I have had in years, I have finally gotten out of bed after 3 days.
I still have the sore throat and a nasty cough but my energy levels are slowly returning.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: oh my florin on October 12, 2015, 11:28:51 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='80560' dateline='1444484953'This is the best I can do at the moment :ok:
This shows the 2.5 steps so not only a proof planchet but a rather
good strike as well :)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/pl_63.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/pl63a.jpg)

I was about to ask what happened to the proof like Canberra. Interested to see how much it sold for though I think the estimate was $800-1000?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on October 12, 2015, 12:11:05 PM
I got it for $750 :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: oh my florin on October 12, 2015, 03:48:25 PM
Nice mate happy for you on getting the proof like though I still prefer my old tets over it
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on October 14, 2015, 09:07:02 PM
I picked this one up from the post office today.
Nice reverse, the usual light chatter on the obverse.
Just starting to "Tone Up"

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra~4.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra1~4.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on October 15, 2015, 01:02:29 AM
very nice
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on October 23, 2015, 03:28:28 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='78198' dateline='1440400305'
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='78197' dateline='1440399869'What do you estimate the likely grade Jim? Looks good in your photos.
I think that was a very good buy at the price.

The fields are clear and has plenty of lustre ,a couple of marks on the edge of the rim and not a super strong strike.
I will be disappointed if this doesn't come back MS65 and won't be gobsmacked if it gets a 66.
I will be sending this next week and will find out in due course :ok:

Just got the results for this coin, No "true view" image yet.
She came in at MS65 :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on October 27, 2015, 09:18:25 AM
I found another early mint/die eg. with all the steps,not up to Jims excellent egs. but still an interesting coin.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/IMG_0001~8.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/IMG_0002~6.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/Still0001new.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/Still000s1.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on October 27, 2015, 09:31:06 AM
we need a 'like' button here!!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on October 27, 2015, 09:33:56 AM
Regardless of the coins condition a 3 stepper like that is ALWAYS a "Keeper".
I am of the opinion that the area on the die that produced the steps deteriated quite rapidly and finding these 3 steppers is harder than finding AU-MS coins in my opinion.
A nice Honest coin Basil :yahoo:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Unicorn on October 27, 2015, 09:35:43 AM
Great step photos Basil!!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on October 27, 2015, 10:46:54 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='81088' dateline='1445900636'Regardless of the coins condition a 3 stepper like that is ALWAYS a "Keeper".
I am of the opinion that the area on the die that produced the steps deteriated quite rapidly and finding these 3 steppers is harder than finding AU-MS coins in my opinion.
A nice Honest coin Basil :yahoo:

the obverse and reverse didn't match properly
the aussie mint tried to stop the mintage but parliament said it had to go ahead for the grand opening of PH in 1927
If my memory serves me right,  the obverse was sent over from NZ and it didn't match properly with the reverse design - hence the failure in the centre of the strikes (both sides). They had to reduce die pressure to preserve the dies , therefore a fully struck 1927 PH florin is quite scarce  ...
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on October 27, 2015, 11:02:12 AM
I have hundreds of these Canberra florins but only a tiny percentage have true 3 steps Maybe 8-10 of them.
They are indeed "Tough" to find with a perfect strike regardless of grade :ok:
That is probably why there are only there are only 10 graded MS66 and 1 Graded at MS67 by PCGS out of 444 coins graded so far.

This is my latest addition .
Graded MS63 PCGS, Not quite 3 steps and nice toning.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra6.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra7.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra8.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on October 27, 2015, 12:43:41 PM
Yeah,full steps are scarce but TBH i only started looking for them a few years ago after seeing them go for a premium on Ebay.I went thru a calico Bank bag on the W/end,well over 50 coins,and that was the only find,i can't understand how i missed it first time around,those USB scopes have certainly changed the coin environment.
Also i remember(vaguely) a post,may have been on the Ebay coin forums,several years ago about "rope" on the flag pole,i had no idea what the person was talking about but i just noticed what may be it on this coin.

As an aside for anyone noodling coins,i found this mouse mat on Ebay a few weeks back,it rolls up and is perfect for sorting coins.(assuming the dyes used are harmless to sortee & coins).
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/60-30cm-Extra-Large-Gaming-Mouse-Pad-Mat-For-CS-CF-WOW-Laptop-Computer-PC-/321719174177?hash=item4ae7f50421:g:OKMAAOSw9r1WAjui
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on October 27, 2015, 02:39:15 PM
don't believe that I have ever seen rope on the flag poles either

mat looks functional - I use towels and then the towel slides - as do the coins! onto the floor
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Fordprefect on October 27, 2015, 03:04:42 PM
Not surprising for the "Rope" to be missing, It's not there.

(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv160/ford_prefect/ACF%20Odd%20Stuff/1927%20Parliment%20House%20florin/IMG_0007-crop-crop_zps9dddjko6.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on October 27, 2015, 09:58:13 PM
Yeah,i was drawing a long bow and assuming there has been more than one coin with this feature and it was tagged "rope". As i posted previously its not a coin i had much interest in so enjoying the learning process.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/Ashampoo_Snap_2015_10_27_22h16m52s_001_.png)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on October 28, 2015, 12:29:58 AM
I did notice that
it looks like a die crack
or at this time of night ... an alien
plenty in that building in it's day I am sure
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on October 28, 2015, 09:45:08 AM
Yeah,abnormality of some kind,as i posted earlier i vaguely remember a similar coin in the early days of Ebay and the poster nicknamed it "rope". I've never seen or heard of anything similar since so i guess there is at least 2 coins with it.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on November 12, 2015, 10:51:26 PM
Just picked this up on numisbid, nice toned coin :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on November 24, 2015, 01:40:55 AM
Not a super high grade coin But I do like the toning on this one.
It only cost me $20 on numisbid :yahoo:

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra_toned~0.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on December 05, 2015, 09:24:09 AM
This coin had been stored along with some old photographic negatives and films Hence the super dark toning that is so different to any of my other Canberra coins.
I haven't gained the photographic skills to be able to image the rich colorations and hues on this coin yet So this is the best I can do at the moment :angel:
A lot of collectors don't like this sort of dark toning But I quite enjoy it and it adds "Depth" to my collection :)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/dark.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Goose on December 05, 2015, 01:46:00 PM
Personally, I think that is a great looking coin. That dark look gives it character.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on December 12, 2015, 12:39:46 PM
I was just having a bit of a squiz at some of my Collection of these coins and found this one I had that I graded at AU55.
It does have a tiny rim ding at about 3oclock on the obverse But all the lustre is intact under the mottled toning.
I think I may have been a bit hard on this one, What are your thoughts?

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra4~3.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra6~0.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra5~1.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on December 12, 2015, 01:17:40 PM
Yep, fields don't look too bad and only minimal wear, should go MS :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on December 13, 2015, 05:00:07 AM
I had a "feeding Frenzy" with these a couple of years back and bought dozens of these in a short space of time.
I gave each coin a quick glance and put the grade on the 2x2 before putting them in the album.
I may have to "re Visit" these coins and have a proper look at them :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on January 28, 2016, 10:46:51 AM
I showed this Coin(& Microscope Photos) to a Coin Collecting friend whilst on holidays and he pointed out something he had not seen before and i had missed.(i was concentrating on the Steps).It appears to have a railing(for want of a better phrase) at the top of the steps.Anyone know what this is or seen it before,obviously on the  early mint dies for some reason.It not on any other PH Florin i have.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/1927_4_steps_resize.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/1927_Florin_4_Steps.png)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Nevol on January 29, 2016, 08:20:57 AM
Great find Basil.  I see it in your post #55 on P2 , the close up of the steps, also again in your post #110 on P3. Probably the same coin though.  It looks exactly like a hand rail.

It will be interesting to see what Trout comes up with as I reckon if anyone has any examples of this anomaly, it'll be him.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on January 29, 2016, 08:25:39 AM
That IS interesting Basil, also great images Mate :good:
I will have to take a closer look at my three steppers when I get back home.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on January 29, 2016, 02:45:20 PM
Thanks Jim,i've never noticed it before even when i started looking for 'steps' but to be honest its not a coin i took much interest in over the years.To my way of thinking its a very early die and looks like someone has tried to cut a railing in near the top of the steps which disappeared from later Mints but it may be something completely different.
My Friend noticed it straight off when i showed him the Microscope Pics.,he said "you have something special here",i thought he was talking about the steps but he zeroed straight in on the 'railing'.

Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='84036' dateline='1454017857'Great find Basil.  I see it in your post #55 on P2 , the close up of the steps, also again in your post #110 on P3. Probably the same coin though.  It looks exactly like a hand rail.

It will be interesting to see what Trout comes up with as I reckon if anyone has any examples of this anomaly, it'll be him.

Thanks Nancy,no different Coin unless i scanned the same one twice.First Pic. of this one is post 110 page 11,it has that 'rope' type marks on the flagpole i highlighted in red.I'll have to get the earlier Coins out to compare.I tried to get some better Pics. but worse than what i've already posted on here,my main Microscope is starting to get spots in the Pic. but will have another go over the W/end.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on January 30, 2016, 01:39:15 AM
Quotemy main Microscope is starting to get spots in the Pic

This is probably just a bit of dust on the lens, nothing a bit of lens cleaner cant fix :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on January 31, 2016, 10:18:18 AM
I tried cleaning but i think its a hardware fault Jim,but will try and get it apart when i get a chance.

A few more Pics. from the Aldi Microscope,not great,i'll have another go during the week to try and get some clear shots.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/Sun_Jan_31_10-11-31.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/Sun_Jan_31_10-15-47.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/Sun_Jan_31_10-12-06.jpg)

Ok,got the old Microscope going,best i can do,i have to Email photos to my Coin Collecting friend so will post the best of them on here for future reference.


img]http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/99.jpg[/img]
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/77.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/27_Railing667.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/9.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/444.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on February 01, 2016, 02:14:00 PM
A little more intrigue,my eagle-eyed friend has found something else that shouldn't be there,i saw it and assumed it was damage but he seems to think its a die flaw that was corrected for later mints.I don't know either way but someone on here may have an opinion.??

 (http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/Red_Square.png)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/we1234.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/5556.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: autocoupler on February 02, 2016, 12:47:12 AM
I'm no expert, but looks like a gouge to me. Reminds me of days in the apprentice compound with hammer and chisel :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on February 02, 2016, 09:00:02 AM
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='84133' dateline='1454336232'I'm no expert, but looks like a gouge to me. Reminds me of days in the apprentice compound with hammer and chisel :)

Thanks for the reply,that was my first instinct as well but i'm not so sure now.
My learned friend seems to think the 'overlap' type tongue thing(green arrows) is too neatly formed to be done by a blow or gouge,he seems to think it was done when minted due to a die fault,you can see the groove its moved along which(i'm told) would be when the metal was hot during the actual strike, but TBH i'm just confused.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/Green_Arrows_on_Tongue.png)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on February 02, 2016, 09:08:21 AM
It does look like a "Hit" to me Basil
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Nevol on February 02, 2016, 09:53:58 AM
IMO It looks like it's had a nasty hit and the metal has been displaced, hence the scrape (groove).
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on February 02, 2016, 10:21:02 AM
Ok..i'm getting out-voted here.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on February 03, 2016, 09:15:54 AM
Thanks for all the replies,thats why i posted to get some second opinions.
Spoke to my 'friend' again last night,he's been involved in Stamps/Coins for 70 years,50 of that as a dealer,he's adamant that it was caused by the strike.Reasons being the pressure required to move the 'tongue' to a position 45 degrees from where it should be,without damage,would take enormous force.The groove is the width & depth of a matchstick,impossible to gain enough force to do anything except cut a thin line in the Coin.He seems to think it was one of the original minted Coins,possibly even a trial/test Coin.
Anyway all this this is distracting from the 'railing' so if anyone finds a similar Coin could they post here.I won't be selling the Coin so no time limit.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: markn on February 03, 2016, 02:21:02 PM
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='84162' dateline='1454453154'Thanks for all the replies,thats why i posted to get some second opinions.
Spoke to my 'friend' again last night,he's been involved in Stamps/Coins for 70 years,50 of that as a dealer,he's adamant that it was caused by the strike.Reasons being the pressure required to move the 'tongue' to a position 45 degrees from where it should be,without damage,would take enormous force.The groove is the width & depth of a matchstick,impossible to gain enough force to do anything except cut a thin line in the Coin.He seems to think it was one of the original minted Coins,possibly even a trial/test Coin.
Anyway all this this is distracting from the 'railing' so if anyone finds a similar Coin could they post here.I won't be selling the Coin so no time limit.

Unfortunately he's wrong.  That's definitely a hit that has displaced metal.  I have seen similar things on cupro nickel coins and that's a significantly tougher material than sterling silver.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on February 03, 2016, 03:32:16 PM
OK Mark,thats what he said,but it happened during the strike.How could anyone or anything apply that much force unless the metal was hot,it would destroy the whole area,the groove is microscopic,the PMD hit would have to be the size of a pin head.I'm sorry but after he explained everything i can see how it had to happen during the strike,foreign matter or die flaw but something has warped that area with considerable pressure/force.
Anyway i appreciate the opinions,its certainly been a fast learning curve for me since i found this coin,i'm not sure Digital Microscopes are a good thing or not..LOL.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: keldaw on February 03, 2016, 05:23:49 PM
get rid of it quick ,

   it spells danger .
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Unicorn on February 03, 2016, 06:12:11 PM
Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='84169' dateline='1454482429'get rid of it quick ,
 it spells danger .

Well spotted Kel, I didn't see that earlier ... :winkextra:

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/danger2.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on February 03, 2016, 09:17:08 PM
Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='84169' dateline='1454482429'get rid of it quick ,

   it spells danger .


..eh,this is my Fav. coin until i loose interest,(probaly Tomorrow),the  coin has attracted a lot of attention,some more Pics. Emailed off tonite so see what happens.
The 'hit' is a distraction,the Railing is the big one.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on February 03, 2016, 09:24:51 PM
Don't you dare get get rid of this coin Basil.
It is a great example of a three stepper and a tiny little hit dosn't  do this coin any harm.
Nice looking coin Mate, well worth hanging onto :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on February 04, 2016, 09:28:13 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='84172' dateline='1454496891'Don't you dare get get rid of this coin Basil.
It is a great example of a three stepper and a tiny little hit dosn't  do this coin any harm.
Nice looking coin Mate, well worth hanging onto :ok:

Thanks Jim,no its not going anywhere other than into my coffin(LOL).

Collector friend got back to me this morning,just finished going thru his 27 PH's.Same as me,no expert just a hobby collector but has decades of knowledge.He didn't find a similar coin but made a couple of good points however.The damage, to his eyes, looks like the coin has taken a hit from somewhere with the groove etc.,but the odds of it happening in the exact spot to cause a section of the facade to peel back is just not plausible.So end result that is  one for the experts.
2nd point he made is that the bag/bin marks near the Kings Ear means there were other coins minted at the same time so unless the batch was destroyed with only souvenirs kept there should be others hiding out there with the 'railing'.
I've sent the Pics. to a couple more Dealers so time will tell.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Unicorn on February 04, 2016, 01:46:53 PM
Quote from: 'markn' pid='84164' dateline='1454471462'I have seen similar things on cupro nickel coins and that's a significantly tougher material than sterling silver.

Sorry Basil but I really have to agree with Mark. (Please excuse my danger post I threw in while I was searching for a reasonable example ...... just found it).

I hope the pics below express it properly.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/displaced1.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/displaced2.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/displaced3.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11067/displaced4.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on February 04, 2016, 04:07:29 PM
I have had a really good look at the "Handrail" images you have put up Basil and have come to the conclusion that the parallel line that makes up the top of the handrail is in fact part of the design,  you can  see exactly the same thing on the left at the top of the steps.
The vertical part of the "Handrail" is either a small "Nick" or a carbon spot/blemish.

The Detail that you think are part of a handrail are a part of the design that is normally only found on well struck examples, some people refer to them as the 4th step.

The microscope cameras can pick up all sorts of things on a coin that can change with the angle it is looked at because of the lights in the unit hit the coin at differing angles and produce different images of the same coin, The same thing can be done with any camera setup :ok:

Thank you for bringing this up Basil, I have enjoyed working out what your "Handrail" is :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on February 04, 2016, 04:31:11 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='84185' dateline='1454564249'The vertical part of the "Handrail" is either a small "Nick" or a carbon spot/blemish.

Thats a posibility Jim,as you have probaly guessed i don't know but so far no one has seen it on a similar Coin,thats why i hope i can get a Coin to compare,even it takes a year or so.There is also something else not right but i won't mention on here just yet as i have received an offer for the Coin but unless the ante is raised by a considerable amount it won't be going anywhere.
My 'ádvisors' are both over 80 years of age,one is a former Coin dealer,but they have never seen the 'rail' before on any coin but on the other hand they never had access to a digital microscope so who knows how many are out there.
Anyway i appreciate all the replies,honest opinions are always the best,its certainly a intriguing coin.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on February 04, 2016, 04:45:26 PM
This image is not in perfect focus and was taken through the plastic of a slab but it does show most of the detail.
This is a MS65 coin and the strike is rather good, Your coin also is rather well struck but has seen quite a bit of circulation with the associated dings and scratches circulation causes.
You can see the same lines above the 3 steps as on your coin in this image and it is not too hard to imagine a hit or carbon mark making this look like a handrail as on your coin:ok:

Oops forgot the image :blush:

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/4_steps.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on February 04, 2016, 04:45:40 PM
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='84183' dateline='1454555813'Sorry Basil but I really have to agree with Mark. (Please excuse my danger post I threw in while I was searching for a reasonable example ...... just found it).
/quote]

No problem with expressing an opinion Uni.,and Mark knows more about Coins than me so i am happy to get peoples thoughts.
As i posted before it looks like the Coin has taken a whack,that was my first instinct,but after being told the force applied to that groove that caused the facade to laminate was the size of a pinhead and was probaly caused by the strike,i accordingly expressed that opinion here.No one else agrees (so i'm taking my photos and going home,LOL.) so its time to get back to explaining  the 'rail' which may be as Trout said,be part of the original design,thats exactly what i was originally told but then it was still considered to be a hand rail that was removed from later dies.
Time will tell,i am still waiting on replies from several people.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Unicorn on February 04, 2016, 04:58:53 PM
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='84190' dateline='1454566540'.... (so i'm taking my photos and going home,LOL.) ....

:laugh2: .... All good Basil.

It is a lovely set of steps that is for sure. I don't have any left :-/ so I can't do any comparisons to help at all.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: autocoupler on February 04, 2016, 07:57:19 PM
Not a bad set of steps, don't forget to zoom in :shok::shock:

http://coins.ha.com/itm/australia/world-coins/george-v-florin-1927-m-ms66-/p/3048-12008.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on February 04, 2016, 08:59:32 PM
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='84201' dateline='1454578039'Not a bad set of steps, don't forget to zoom in :shok::shock:

http://coins.ha.com/itm/australia/world-coins/george-v-florin-1927-m-ms66-/p/3048-12008.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

What a Coin,its a Beauty,i'll try and post a close up of the Steps here Tomorrow.I can't see any hint of a rail thou.


Quote from: 'trout' pid='84185' dateline='1454564249'I have had a really good look at the "Handrail" images you have put up Basil and have come to the conclusion that the parallel line that makes up the top of the handrail is in fact part of the design,  you can  see exactly the same thing on the left at the top of the steps.
The vertical part of the "Handrail" is either a small "Nick" or a carbon spot/blemish.

I think you may be correct Jim,i can see it now,i'll try & get some better Pics. from a different angle.No wonder no one has seen it before,that explains why.



Close up of Auto's Coin.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/If_resized_4_steps_auction.jpg)

Trouts Coin on RHS..i can see now that the the top bar of the rail is probaly a part of the Building at the top of the steps,just more pronounced than on the later mints.Well done Jim,last Pic. on page shows it when you know what to look for.


 (http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/Panny_Trout_RHS.jpg)


(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/77.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on February 04, 2016, 09:43:57 PM
The strike on that NGC coin from Heritage is Superb what a stunning coin :drooling:
WAY above MY pay grade though :cray:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on February 10, 2016, 02:10:46 PM
I picked up this nice EF coin from eBay for only $27 delivered.
The sellers images were pretty shabby but they showed enough detail for me to bid on it.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AUSTRALIAN-1927-CANBERRA-ONE-FLORIN-COIN-IN-EXCELLENT-CONDITION-/222007349019?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=MCskicP0ePLJ7i7ltcHzZDtSFmQ%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra9~0.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on February 20, 2016, 10:30:49 AM
I won a Proof Like Canberra florin on Numisbid that is graded MS63 and I have sent it back to PCGS for "Reconsideration" to see if I can get it re attributed/graded as a PL coin instead of just a MS coin.

This is the coin
http://www.numisbid.com.au/Browse/1927_Florin_PCGS_MS63PL/17707
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Repoman on February 20, 2016, 03:21:53 PM
Hi Everyone - I inherited a large number of coins about 20 years ago when my Grandmother passed away. Long hisory of collectors in the family apprently and my great grandfather was also avid coin collector up until he died in the late 1960s. A lot of the coins in the collection were collected by my great great grandfather - including some he brought back from the middle east in the first world war. Probably will never figure out what some of them are!

Anyway the Coins have been in storage whilst I have been overseas for the last 15 years. I have just dug them out and one that I really like is the 1927 Florin pictured below.

Obviously I know what it is but I am wondering how the difference is told between the normal circulation and the proof versions - as they all look the same to me. The 1927 particularly is in great nick and seems to sharper than any other coins from the era I have... I have had a look at this and am not convinced either way...

https://coinworks.com.au/1927-Canberra-Florin-Beaumont.html

You can see where I am going with this and I have no idea of the value of it - outside of its sentimental family history value of course!  

What if any are the identifiable differences between the two versions? Approx values? Anyone?

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Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Nevol on February 20, 2016, 04:24:41 PM
Hi Repoman, :welcome: to the Forum.  

Trout is our resident 1927 Canberra Florin expert, so no doubt he will be able to answer your questions about it.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on February 20, 2016, 05:39:55 PM
I can only see one reverse image - the other two are just link details
always nice to inherit coins
much more economical than how I obtained mine
and welcome to the forum

Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='84201' dateline='1454578039'Not a bad set of steps, don't forget to zoom in :shok::shock:

http://coins.ha.com/itm/australia/world-coins/george-v-florin-1927-m-ms66-/p/3048-12008.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

surely this coin is a proof! it looks absolutely stunning

here is a PROOF 1927 FLORIN (GENUINE COIN) pic from Drake Sterling repoman
reckon your coin looks like this?

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/1927_proof_darke_sterling_coin.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on February 20, 2016, 07:45:05 PM
This coin doesn't look quite right to me - might be the over exposure that makes it look a bit funny
Got the obverse pics yet?

(https://www.australian-coins.net/attachment.php?aid=3406) (https://www.australian-coins.net/attachment.php?aid=3406)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on February 20, 2016, 08:35:12 PM
Hi repoman and
:welcome:
Your coin is what I would call a "Pocket piece "  :ok:
The high points have been worn and they stand out making it look like a proof.
Keep hunting Mate , I am :)

QuoteTrout is our resident 1927 Canberra Florin expert, so no doubt he will be able to answer your questions about it.

I am in NO way an expert regarding Canberra Florins, I am more of an enthusiast .:ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Repoman on February 20, 2016, 09:44:57 PM
Thanks all for the responses Trout and co,

My picture really doesn't do it justice, but as Robbigal says - it's doesn't look right to me either.

There something about this coin that just doesnt look like it should or the others I can find around the web.  Over and over again I have examined it with a magnifying glass and I can't find another coin that has the same exact markings... It does have a raised ring around the 1927 rather than a channel that others appear to have. It also doesn't appear to have the stairs as obvious as others...

Trout - How does one find out for sure what it is?

It's tough to upload good quality imagines when you're limited to 200kb...?? Sorry. Any thoughts on how to get be res images up better?

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Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on February 20, 2016, 10:08:26 PM
thanks for the obverse pic
I will try to add it larger if I can remember how I did the last one ha ha
short term memory ain't so bad!!
(https://www.australian-coins.net/attachment.php?aid=3409)(https://www.australian-coins.net/attachment.php?aid=3406)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on February 21, 2016, 08:53:43 AM
This is my Proof Like coin and is about as close as I am going to get to owning a proof Canberra.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/PL_canberra1.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on February 21, 2016, 09:18:19 AM
Quote from: 'Repoman' pid='84731' dateline='1455966897'It also doesn't appear to have the stairs as obvious as others...
/quote]

Welcome...majority don't have the steps as the die pressure was lowered(or something like that) after the early batches.I have a bank bag full of these Coins that i've collected over the last 50 years and about 4(maybe 6) have more than 2 steps.
Hard to tell from Photos but your coin looks like it had some sort of clean along the way,the silver gets that washed out look as it retones.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Unicorn on February 21, 2016, 11:27:46 AM
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='84740' dateline='1456008499'Hard to tell from Photos but your coin looks like it had some sort of clean along the way ....

I agree Basil, there looks to be lots of fine scratches.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Goldseeker on February 21, 2016, 08:09:52 PM
I saw a FDC or whatever it is at Downies yesterday for a pricely sum of $39,950.

Anyone interested?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on February 21, 2016, 09:40:28 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='84738' dateline='1456007023'This is my Proof Like coin and is about as close as I am going to get to owning a proof Canberra.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/PL_canberra1.jpg)

the centre of the coin is very well struck up
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on February 22, 2016, 11:33:22 PM
Even when circulated these are still a rather handsome coin :good:
Canberra florins like this can still be obtained for just a few dollars.:yahoo:

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/can~0.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/can1.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on February 23, 2016, 10:00:47 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='84782' dateline='1456146202'Even when circulated these are still a rather handsome coin :good:
Canberra florins like this can still be obtained for just a few dollars.:yahoo:

Yeah,pre-Ebay they were worth a couple of $,$5 tops for a good one,but hard to get one under $10 these days.Most of mine were obtained as part of bulk buys,i didn't chase them,answer an add in the Trading Post or Herald and often these were wheeled out for sale,Ebay has changed all that now though.
Since this Thread started(and i have more spare time) i've taken a new interest in them,hope to jag a pristine eg. of an early mint somewhere along the line.

This is another i found with nearly all the Steps...

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/IMG_0001~9.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/Mon_Feb_22_13-23-20.jpg)

Different Coin with depressions in front of the Steps,probaly PMD but interesting.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/Mon_Feb_22_13-18-43.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on February 23, 2016, 10:30:48 AM
Nice 3 stepper Basil :good:

QuoteYeah, pre-eBay they were worth a couple of $,$5 tops for a good one, but hard to get one under $10 these

Pre eBay $5 was quite a useful sum of money , Now all it will buy you is a meat pie.:angel:
I do agree though that uncirculated Canberra's are getting more expensive and not only the ones graded by PCGS/NGC either.
As of the last 18 months or so eBay is "Chokka" with "Raw" coins for sale at prices pretty much the same as the graded coins, if not higher.
I am curious  that if these raw offerings are indeed Choice or Gem uncirculated then why don't the dealers get them graded so that there is No doubt about the quality/grade of these coins ?
Lets face it if you are going to pay $100> for a coin online and without the benefit of seeing the coin "In hand" then a PCGS/NGC graded coin is a far better option than just having blind faith in a dealers grading :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Goose on February 23, 2016, 02:03:47 PM
Careful when you walk up to the steps on the last picture. It looks like footsteps in the snow.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on February 23, 2016, 08:52:52 PM
don't believe that I have ever bought a 19276 florin for $5
http://moadoph.gov.au/blog/witness-to-history-the-opening-of-the-provisional-parliament-house-in-1927/
found this sweetie in a little group that I bought rather cheaply
the date of the first opening has been scratched in with what might have been something like a pin
pity - not a bad grade

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/P2191025_-_Copy.JPG)(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/P2191027_-_Copy.JPG)(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/P2191026_-_Copy.JPG)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on February 23, 2016, 08:55:44 PM
I hate it when people do that :cray:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: autocoupler on February 23, 2016, 11:31:12 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='84788' dateline='1456185648'Lets face it if you are going to pay $100> for a coin online and without the benefit of seeing the coin "In hand" then a PCGS/NGC graded coin is a far better option than just having blind faith in a dealers grading :ok:

No way. From some slabbed examples I've seen, I wouldn't necessarily place a coin of that origin any further up the tree of legitimacy than I would something that was tendered by a registered ANDA dealer/seller. If you're talking about some dodgy internet seller then that's a different story, but of course not all internet sellers are dodgy either.

Fact is, we shouldn't be putting blind faith in anyone, Ok maybe an exception for those who can educate us.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on February 24, 2016, 03:32:58 AM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='84808' dateline='1456222972'http://moadoph.gov.au/blog/witness-to-history-the-opening-of-the-provisional-parliament-house-in-1927/


I couldn't find any florins in the objects at that there museum of aussie democracy. The one with the scratches on it would be a good one to have there.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: wwwww on February 24, 2016, 02:19:05 PM
An otherwise uncirculated coin with graffiti 9-May (opening day of the old parliament house), not a bad momento.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on February 24, 2016, 06:04:50 PM
thanks Walter
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: serial on February 27, 2016, 07:00:53 PM
got this today and will be sending it to the plastic factory as soon as I get a chance.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/1927_canberra_flroing_anda_show_2016_c.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/1927_canberra_flroing_anda_show_2016_f.JPG)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11197/1927_canberra_flroing_anda_show_2016_d.JPG)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on February 27, 2016, 07:07:38 PM
Great strike :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: oh my florin on February 28, 2016, 08:36:19 PM
My Canberra Florin was confirmed as MS65 a little while ago at PCGS and Eric has a 66 listed for sale, apparently a Canberra Florin has managed to make higher than 66?

http://drakesterling.com/coins-for-sale/products/1927-canberra-florin-4
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 14, 2016, 08:44:27 PM
Quote from: 'oh my florin' pid='85041' dateline='1456653979'My Canberra Florin was confirmed as MS65 a little while ago at PCGS and Eric has a 66 listed for sale, apparently a Canberra Florin has managed to make higher than 66?

http://drakesterling.com/coins-for-sale/products/1927-canberra-florin-4

Congratulations on the MS65, These are bloody tough to find well done :yahoo:
There are at the moment 10 coins graded at MS66 and one at MS67 in the PCGS data base .

This one is nowhere near that sort of grade , Probably AU58 or might sneak in at a low MS but it does have 3 steps and is a rather nice strike with about 99.99% remaining lustre as well.
Regardless of what this  grades at it is a rather nice example :)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra_a.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Goldseeker on March 15, 2016, 09:59:23 AM
After reading and seeing all the photos of this coin, maybe one could start a forum called The Canberra Florin Forum and membership is only available to those that actually have one of these coins.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 15, 2016, 10:26:55 AM
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='85612' dateline='1457998163'After reading and seeing all the photos of this coin, maybe one could start a forum called The Canberra Florin Forum and membership is only available to those that actually have one of these coins.

With a mintage of 2 Million and these being arguably the most Popular Australian pre decimal coin ever minted the membership criteria you propose would encompass a large majority of Australian collectors and a large number of international collectors as well :)

Even worn and well circulated Canberra Florins are well regarded not only because of the design but also the way that even on a worn coin the reverse design is mostly intact and I doubt that most Aussie collectors don't either own at least one of these or have it on their "wish list" :good:
I am willing to bet that most of us on this forum have at least one of these, So regardless of the coins condition post an image of your Canberra Florin.
I personally Never tire of looking at these coins :yahoo:

Maybe I am just being "Biased" here , But I doubt it :angel:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 16, 2016, 11:14:43 AM
I have posted this image on another part of this site but it just wouldn't be right not to post it in this thread.

I won this at auction last night.

MS65 with great toning :)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/auction_canberra.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausproofs on March 16, 2016, 05:54:55 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='85679' dateline='1458089083'I have posted this image on another part of this site but it just wouldn't be right not to post it in this thread.

I won this at auction last night.

MS65 with great toning :)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/auction_canberra.jpg)

Well done Mate, I was going to chase this coin and decided to concentrate elsewhere ! Lucky you :yahoo: .... Very nice coin..
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 16, 2016, 06:02:50 PM
QuoteWell done Mate, I was going to chase this coin and decided to concentrate elsewhere ! Lucky you Yahoo .... Very nice coin..

HeHe
It would have taken a lot more than a $550 bid to make me walk away from this electric blue specimen :mafia::)

This 3 stepper with a bit of a rim ding came back a MS62 :)
Without that small ding I imagine this would have graded a couple of points higher.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/33787585_large.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on March 17, 2016, 05:05:12 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='85617' dateline='1457999815'So regardless of the coins condition post an image of your Canberra Florin.
I personally Never tire of looking at these coins :yahoo:

Well you asked for it. I purchased both of these from ANDA members. Those fellers are good teachers but they learn ya the hard way.
 
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11093/1927PH_Florin-WS-Resize.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11093/1927PH_Florin-ISW-Resize.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 17, 2016, 09:40:00 AM
OOOOO Nice and Shiney :angel:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on March 17, 2016, 10:00:19 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='85711' dateline='1458169800'OOOOO Nice and Shiney :angel:

As one of them fellers said to me, no one will buy 'em if they're not nice and shiney!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 17, 2016, 10:37:46 AM
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='85713' dateline='1458171019'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='85711' dateline='1458169800'OOOOO Nice and Shiney :angel:

As one of them fellers said to me, no one will buy 'em if they're not nice and shiney!

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

I am willing to bet that these same ANDA dealers Hate the introduction of "Slabbed" coins in the marketplace and bemoan them as well :angel::)

I recently bought a set of Maundy coins from an eBay listing a prominent ANDA dealer put up with crappy images.
As this was an ANDA dealer I put my faith in their assessment of the coins as being Ch Unc because it was impossible to tell the grade from the images provided, boy o boy was that a bad case of misguided faith on my part:dash1:

Thank the Gods that there is now a new breed of dealers in the marketplace that embrace the concept  tpg graded coins and actually KNOW how to  accurately grade their "Raw" offerings when they sell them to collectors and NOT BSing the grade and condition of their coins .

ANDA does still have some of the "Old Guard" shonky operators as members But the new Guard of dealers are putting them to shame with their Integrity an honesty in the marketplace :yahoo:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on March 17, 2016, 07:03:37 PM
One of them fellers I have walked past his shop dozens of times in the last 2 years and never felt inclined to darken his doorstep anymore. The other bloke has a shop that reminds me of something out of a Dickens novel. I never saw a slab of any kind in either establishment. I guess they don't care about the 130 PCGS slabs I bought lately.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 17, 2016, 07:28:44 PM
QuoteI guess they don't care about the 130 PCGS slabs I bought lately.

There are certain dealers that would be hard pushed to come up with 130 problem free coins that are worthy of getting graded , let alone actually have some in stock for your purchasing pleasure .:angel:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on March 17, 2016, 07:41:14 PM
Obviously I bought them mostly from the new guard - Eric, Walter, PP and Chris.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on March 17, 2016, 09:06:59 PM
Chris has been in the coin game since 1987 (or earlier)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausproofs on March 17, 2016, 09:27:17 PM
Yes,  I have bought some coins from Chris.. highly recommended.. same as the othe 3 names there... I am  hopeless at grading coins, so easy to go with slabbed coins..
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on March 17, 2016, 09:32:14 PM
Funny that I have bought off all 4 sellers
But only raw coins off Chris even though he was the one who bought pcgs to the aussie collector market (i think)
But we have good taste as I sometimes bid against him at auctions
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 17, 2016, 09:34:24 PM
Are we talking about Chris Buesnell here?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausproofs on March 17, 2016, 09:47:36 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='85742' dateline='1458212664'Are we talking about Chris Buesnell here?

Yes we are...

Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='85741' dateline='1458212534'Funny that I have bought off all 4 sellers
But only raw coins off Chris even though he was the one who bought pcgs to the aussie collector market (i think)
But we have good taste as I sometimes bid against him at auctions

I have done the same, only once... it did not work  :angel:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 17, 2016, 11:19:50 PM
I bought some coins off Chris yesterday including a kilo of Canberra florins :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on March 18, 2016, 05:56:30 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='85745' dateline='1458218990'I bought some coins off Chris yesterday including a kilo of Canberra florins :)

Now, let me see, 2 million times 11.31 grams each = 22,620 kilos :idea:

Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='85737' dateline='1458211019'Chris has been in the coin game since 1987 (or earlier)

Yes but he's definitely part of the new guard trout was talking about. Despite the fact that he pre-dates the internet he's not one of the old guard roosters.

Edit: I should add Stuart Andersen to the list of new guard coin dealers.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 18, 2016, 08:21:14 AM
QuoteEdit: I should add Stuart Andersen to the list of new guard coin dealers.

You also forgot about Andrew Crellin as well :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on March 18, 2016, 08:28:47 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='85752' dateline='1458251474'You also forgot about Andrew Crellin as well :)

Yep, I've bought some coins from him as well. That makes six, the more the better. :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on March 18, 2016, 08:43:30 AM
OT but does anyone know who 'Smalls' is,i've been away a lot since Xmas but i keep getting Emails about his/their Coin Auctions,he's got my Email address from somewhere.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: stevo1962 on March 18, 2016, 08:50:23 AM
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='85756' dateline='1458252810'OT but does anyone know who 'Smalls' is,i've been away a lot since Xmas but i keep getting Emails about his/their Coin Auctions,he's got my Email address from somewhere.

Smalls Auctions are handled by the "INVALUABLE" crowd so if you registered for
other auctions that use Invaluable such as Nobles then that's probably where they
got your details
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on March 18, 2016, 09:05:23 AM
OK,Thanks...
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 18, 2016, 10:38:17 AM
OK
Lets get back to Canberra florins Guys :angel:

I sent my Proof like Canberra Florin  to PCGS a while ago for "reconsideration", it arrived there 4/3/16 and I sent it as an "Express" submission .
No result as of yet but I am hoping that it comes back with a PL designation instead of the MS with a "Proof like" pedigree as it is at the moment.
I should get a result shortly and will post the results as soon as I get them :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on March 18, 2016, 11:46:32 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='85761' dateline='1458259697'OK
Lets get back to Canberra florins Guys :angel:

Fair enough, good luck, fingers crossed. If your coin makes the grade will it be unique in that regard? :cool:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 18, 2016, 12:11:42 PM
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='85763' dateline='1458263792'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='85761' dateline='1458259697'OK
Lets get back to Canberra florins Guys :angel:

Fair enough, good luck, fingers crossed. If your coin makes the grade will it be unique in that regard? :cool:

Yes they called it at proof like as a pedigree so i cant see why they cant grade it as such .
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 18, 2016, 11:39:39 PM
There are 455 coins graded at MS, 13 at PR and zero graded PL.
If my coin does get a PL grade after "reconsideration" it will be the only one so far .
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on March 19, 2016, 04:40:42 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='85786' dateline='1458306579'There are 455 coins graded at MS, 13 at PR and zero graded PL.
Isn't that because PL is not a grade, rather its a surface designation?
http://www.pcgs.com/grades/
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 19, 2016, 08:59:36 AM
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='85788' dateline='1458324642'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='85786' dateline='1458306579'There are 455 coins graded at MS, 13 at PR and zero graded PL.
Isn't that because PL is not a grade, rather its a surface designation?
http://www.pcgs.com/grades/

Neither MS,PR,PL or SP are grades, the grade is the number after the prefix.
As far as I am aware the prefix  are used to describe the coin type and its appearance .
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 19, 2016, 10:30:13 AM
No result yet from PCGS :dash1:
I hope I don't get charged the "Express" rate as this coin has been with PCGS since the 4/3/16 and it doesn't seem to be being expedited .
Maybe I will get a result next week.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 21, 2016, 07:44:48 AM
I have just finished my usual hunt through the eBay listings of the Canberra Florins on offer.
Nothing there to really interest me except of course a beautiful  Proof coin that is WAY above my pay grade.
I did notice that 99.99% of all the "Raw" and graded coins are priced ridiculously high for what these coins would sell for at auction, or am I missing something here?
One of the listings for a MS61 coin for nearly $700 amused me greatly and most of the raw coins dealer graded at Unc looked pretty ordinary and a large percentage of them have been cleaned, this is probably why they are not in a slab.

Compared to 5-6 years ago it is getting pretty "Tough" to find a decent coin at a reasonable price on eBay as of late.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on March 21, 2016, 10:36:54 AM
Its just a game as far as i'm concerned,put a $100 coin in a slab and suddenly its worth $400+,i know with all the fakes its a 'security blanket' for the average collector but Dealers are milking the insecurity to the last cent.Like the Stock Market i'm sure there will be a correction down the track so we get back to realistic prices.My 2c.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 21, 2016, 10:59:59 AM
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='85873' dateline='1458518814'Its just a game as far as i'm concerned,put a $100 coin in a slab and suddenly its worth $400+,i know with all the fakes its a 'security blanket' for the average collector but Dealers are milking the insecurity to the last cent.Like the Stock Market i'm sure there will be a correction down the track so we get back to realistic prices.My 2c.

It could quite easily go the other way as well  and a $400 raw coin purchase put into a slab and all of a sudden it becomes a $50 coin or worse a "Melt" value coin.
This is probably the most likely scenario with the majority of raw  coins I saw on offer today :(
Regardless of anyone's views of PCGS graded coins, at least you will get exactly what you pay for when you buy one and not some "Dodgy" or ill informed grade some dealer puts on the coin :angel:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: stevo1962 on March 21, 2016, 12:06:34 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='85874' dateline='1458520199'
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='85873' dateline='1458518814'Its just a game as far as i'm concerned,put a $100 coin in a slab and suddenly its worth $400+,i know with all the fakes its a 'security blanket' for the average collector but Dealers are milking the insecurity to the last cent.Like the Stock Market i'm sure there will be a correction down the track so we get back to realistic prices.My 2c.

It could quite easily go the other way as well  and a $400 raw coin purchase put into a slab and all of a sudden it becomes a $50 coin or worse a "Melt" value coin.
This is probably the most likely scenario with the majority of raw  coins I saw on offer today :(
Regardless of anyone's views of PCGS graded coins, at least you will get exactly what you pay for when you buy one and not some "Dodgy" or ill informed grade some dealer puts on the coin :angel:

It's happening more and more with raw coin sales in the larger auction houses around the country and you have to be on your guard while internet bidding.I think my worst result was buying a raw 1917 threepence graded uncirculated which came back from PCGS AU58 and there is a big price difference.It's a good way for these auctionhouses to make extra money from people who are bidding online.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: autocoupler on March 21, 2016, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='85877' dateline='1458524194'It's happening more and more with raw coin sales in the larger auction houses around the country and you have to be on your guard while internet bidding.

I will no longer place an internet bid at the high end of what I think a coin is worth. I think all my recent wins at one auction house were at my top bid; this  particular auction house states that they will manage the bidding so an item will only sell at one increment above the underbidder.

So I'm supposed to believe my top bid was one increment above the underbidder for these wins :dodgy:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on March 21, 2016, 10:29:03 PM
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='85885' dateline='1458533074'
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='85877' dateline='1458524194'It's happening more and more with raw coin sales in the larger auction houses around the country and you have to be on your guard while internet bidding.

I will no longer place an internet bid at the high end of what I think a coin is worth. I think all my recent wins at one auction house were at my top bid; this  particular auction house states that they will manage the bidding so an item will only sell at one increment above the underbidder.

So I'm supposed to believe my top bid was one increment above the underbidder for these wins :dodgy:

Stating the obvious but Internet Auctions are very easy to manipulate,all it takes is several Accts. under the control of the Auctioneer/Owner and human nature being what it is they will buy low and sell high.
Ebay is still the fairest if you keep you guard up and make a list of the reliable/honest sellers but is still buyer beware.My2c again.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 23, 2016, 07:47:13 AM
I have finally got the results back from PCGS for my "Reconsideration" submission for my Proof Like Coin, it took them 19 days.
No Change, still in the MS63 holder :(
Ah well, it was worth a shot anyway.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on March 23, 2016, 09:38:40 AM
Its probaly gone to the same guy Jim,don't they have a dedicated/specialist section for Oz. & NZ coins?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 23, 2016, 06:12:30 PM
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='85967' dateline='1458688120'Its probaly gone to the same guy Jim,don't they have a dedicated/specialist section for Oz. & NZ coins?

You are probably right Mate, although a coin is supposed to go through at least 2 graders but having 2 graders expert in Aussie coins is a big ask for a US Firm.

 http://www.pcgs.com/cert/13503733
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: nealeffendi on March 23, 2016, 09:13:09 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='85977' dateline='1458718950'
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='85967' dateline='1458688120'Its probaly gone to the same guy Jim,don't they have a dedicated/specialist section for Oz. & NZ coins?

You are probably right Mate, although a coin is supposed to go through at least 2 graders but having 2 graders expert in Aussie coins is a big ask for a US Firm.

 http://www.pcgs.com/cert/13503733

I'm sure that they have no problems with finding graders, but what about attributors?
I'm talking about those who can identify MS from PR and SP when looking at Canberra florins or those who identify Indian from English and Double Dots from Dot over Top. From what I have seen both PCGS and NGC are woefully lacking in having people with the appropriate knowledge and have mis attributed hundreds of our coins.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 23, 2016, 09:19:15 PM
QuoteI'm sure that they have no problems with finding graders, but what about attributors?
 I'm talking about those who can identify MS from PR and SP when looking at Canberra florins or those who identify Indian from English and Double Dots from Dot over Top. From what I have seen both PCGS and NGC are woefully lacking in having people with the appropriate knowledge and have mis attributed hundreds of our coins.

From my limited exposure to PCGS I have found that unless you ask for a particular attribution it just won't happen.
Even when you do ask there is No guarantee that it will happen
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on March 27, 2016, 04:53:09 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='86200' dateline='1458989370'The only high grade Canberra I am selling is this one on Numisbid.
http://www.numisbid.com.au/Browse/1927_Florin_PCGS_MS65/25737


Hi trout the above quote is from another thread but I put the question here. In the description he says, "slight molted toning". I know you sometimes jump out of your skin for a decent Canberra Florin but I assume he means mottled?

Might as well include the PCGS image, its probably itt already but worth another look:

(http://images.pcgs.com/TrueView/32642297_large.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 27, 2016, 09:12:14 AM
Yes just a typo  .
Molted toning would probably refer to the Kings hair falling out :laugh2:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Goose on March 27, 2016, 02:07:40 PM
That auction is going to last for almost 4 months? Wow.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 27, 2016, 11:24:27 PM
I snooze , I loose :dash1:
I saw this coin on eBay 5 days ago and ended up putting a proxy bid of $121 on it.
It has numerous nicks and dings in it and I had it graded at about MS62 so I thought $121 was plenty to secure the coin , Didn't work out that way :cray:
The reason I wanted it despite being such a low MS coin is the  extensive die polishing on the obverse, I don't think I have seen a Canberra with this much die polish on it before.

We had a big seafood buffet this arvo and I needed a "Nanna Nap" after all that.
The nap lasted 5 hrs and I had a Great sleep after a Great feed only to be Greatly disappointed when I checked out eBay , Bugger!!!

Here is the sellers pic's of the coin I missed out on.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/monetorium_coin3.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/monetorium_coin2.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 29, 2016, 02:55:15 PM
The MS65 Canberra I won a couple of weeks ago arrived today.
Here it is :)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra_65.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Unicorn on March 29, 2016, 04:36:27 PM
Very very nice Trout!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 29, 2016, 05:32:42 PM
I just took a punt on this one.
Graded MS64 by PCGS, The image looks like the old crappy "Secure" images which are notoriously "Unflattering" .
Here's hoping that it looks a lot better "in hand" :)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ms64_canberra.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on March 29, 2016, 05:58:58 PM
once again - I have to scratch that one off my watch list
we have good taste!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 29, 2016, 06:03:20 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='86313' dateline='1459236538'once again - I have to scratch that one off my watch list
we have good taste!

ooop's
Sorry Mate:angel:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on March 29, 2016, 06:04:47 PM
no worries
I umm and ahh
and then you come along and go - looks good to me thank-you very muchly !!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 29, 2016, 10:57:07 PM
Here is a MS64 example I have in my collection.
It looks a lot better "in hand" than in the PCGS image :good:

PCGS Image
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ms64_canberra_1.jpg)

My Image
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ms64_canberra2.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausproofs on March 29, 2016, 11:11:01 PM
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/20115276

This is my latest acquisition...
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 29, 2016, 11:19:39 PM
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='86353' dateline='1459255261'http://www.pcgs.com/cert/20115276

This is my latest acquisition...

Nice coin :good:
The prices for MS63 and upwards are starting to rise quite a bit lately.
It's getting tough to find a bargain in recent times, What did this one set you back?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausproofs on March 29, 2016, 11:22:46 PM
$185 all up... I feel like an addict now.. oh wait, I am one  .....:huh:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 29, 2016, 11:31:38 PM
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='86355' dateline='1459255966'$185 all up... I feel like an addict now.. oh wait, I am one  .....:huh:

Nicely done Mate :yahoo:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on March 29, 2016, 11:42:34 PM
yes second that, nice coin AP :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on March 30, 2016, 08:33:01 PM
nice coins guys
here's a pic from the enlighten festival
I am sure that you will all recognise the building!


(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10035/enlighten_2016.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on March 30, 2016, 08:36:21 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Somebody has stolen the steps :laugh2:

What a fantastic Picture RG :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on March 30, 2016, 08:56:37 PM
not my usual blurry pic - nicked from the enlighten facebook page
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Unicorn on March 30, 2016, 09:09:12 PM
I agree, top photo RG!!!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on April 09, 2016, 05:49:42 PM
Here are todays new additions :)
I will post my own images when they arrive :ok:

Sellers images
MS65
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ms65.jpg)

PCGS image
MS64
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/28151862_large.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on April 09, 2016, 07:25:21 PM
The 65 looks nice so be interesting to see your pic's.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on April 09, 2016, 07:33:05 PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='86893' dateline='1460195721'The 65 looks nice so be interesting to see your pic's.

I have hopes that the MS64 coin will be rather nice as well, The older PCGS images are pretty "Unflattering" :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on April 09, 2016, 07:34:06 PM
can say that again, look like a gaol coin :shock:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on April 12, 2016, 10:22:45 AM
I stuffed up when I send the bank transfer for one of my previously posted MS65 Canberra's and sent 2x payments.
I could have had my funds returned but there was another MS65 coin available so I opted to buy that instead of a refund :)

Here it is, Sellers image
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ms65_canberra.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on April 12, 2016, 02:30:02 PM
I bought this MS64 from Chris Buesnell yesterday:

(http://images.pcgs.com/SecurePlus/28518628_large.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on April 12, 2016, 03:19:51 PM
Nice :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on April 12, 2016, 10:59:42 PM
QuoteI bought this MS64 from Chris Buesnell yesterday:

OK, I have to ask the "Delicate" question.
How much did this little beauty cost you ? :)

The beauty of buying coins from people like Chris, PP and other dealers of this calibre is that even if the coin isn't  "Slabbed" the grade given to a raw coin is pretty much "Spot On" every time :yahoo:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on April 13, 2016, 08:54:27 AM
$200. I hadn't seen Chris since before Xmas. He was in fine form, a born raconteur if somewhat jaded with the industry. Maybe he's been in it for too long. I bought some other coins as well but they belong in a different thread.

He knows exactly what my collecting goal is (PCGS pre-decimal slabs) and its fun chatting as he rummages through his boxes of stock pulling out coins, asking "have you got one of these?" He also knows I have a spending limit for each visit. As we get towards the end of the session he pulls out two coins saying "these are $200 each easy, any day of the week, this coin on its own is worth that!" I say "um ar, I can only afford one, I'll take the penny". Quick as a flash he fires back OK, "$300 for the pair" and what can I say but OK, sure, ya got me.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on April 13, 2016, 05:14:49 PM
ok
where be the penny then?
that florin is very attractive too
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on April 13, 2016, 08:42:38 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='87120' dateline='1460533489'where be the penny then?

Um is there a thread for penny pictures? Its a 1942Y. (the dot is tiny) MS63RB. I don't want to muck up trouts thread with copper coins.

Here is another 1927PH MS64 which sold on Facebook the other day for $230. I think I would have bought this one given half a chance, its nicer than mine.

(http://images.pcgs.com/TrueView/33877080_large.jpg)

Bugger it, here goes:

(http://images.pcgs.com/SecurePlus/29288642_large.jpg)

I'll put the penny in a Canberra Florin sandwich - another MS64 for sale on Facebook:

(http://images.pcgs.com/SecurePlus/27669697_large.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on April 13, 2016, 09:20:05 PM
good on you
 I think that 1942 in ms 63 is harder than your florin in ms64
nice penny - must be a soft dot

that first florin is very nice
but I think your one would also look very nice in the hand
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on April 15, 2016, 08:26:03 PM
A new addition to my Canberra's arrived today .
This is the PCGS Image
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/28151862_large.jpg)


This is my image, There is a lot more colour in this than I could capture.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ms64~0.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on April 15, 2016, 08:35:43 PM
your pic look a lot nicer.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on April 15, 2016, 08:38:15 PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='87234' dateline='1460718343'your pic look a lot nicer.

"In Hand" the coin looks far better the underlying lustre is really good and it has pink to purple hues all over  the coin.
Well worth the $175 in my opinion :good::dance2:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on April 15, 2016, 08:39:51 PM
well done :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on April 17, 2016, 05:25:07 PM
I picked this one up on eBay for $41.66 delivered.
The steps look good from these sellers images :good:
Looks to be a good EF-Au coin :)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ebay_27.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ebay_27a.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on April 17, 2016, 06:29:07 PM
you can never have enough can you :winkextra: look pretty good :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on April 17, 2016, 06:37:53 PM
There are still 1,999,550 of these that I don't have :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: JeffH on April 17, 2016, 07:09:04 PM
Keep working at it. I suggest a modest target for stage 1. Say to get to where there are only 1,999,000 you don't have.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on April 17, 2016, 07:10:49 PM
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='87368' dateline='1460885944'Keep working at it. I suggest a modest target for stage 1. Say to get to where there are only 1,999,000 you don't have.

HeHe
it has taken me more than 15 yrs to have what I have in my collection so far , So maybe another 15yrs :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: JeffH on April 17, 2016, 07:11:49 PM
As long as you are working on it then all is well.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausproofs on April 17, 2016, 07:47:03 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='87369' dateline='1460886049'
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='87368' dateline='1460885944'Keep working at it. I suggest a modest target for stage 1. Say to get to where there are only 1,999,000 you don't have.

HeHe
it has taken me more than 15 yrs to have what I have in my collection so far , So maybe another 15yrs :)

It took me soo many years to get one ! Thanks to Mr.T.... Every time I went for a coin , I became the under bidder to Mr.T:winkextra:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on April 17, 2016, 08:17:04 PM
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='87374' dateline='1460888223'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='87369' dateline='1460886049'
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='87368' dateline='1460885944'Keep working at it. I suggest a modest target for stage 1. Say to get to where there are only 1,999,000 you don't have.

HeHe
it has taken me more than 15 yrs to have what I have in my collection so far , So maybe another 15yrs :)

It took me soo many years to get one ! Thanks to Mr.T.... Every time I went for a coin , I became the under bidder to Mr.T:winkextra:

It just shows you have Great taste in Canberra's :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausproofs on April 17, 2016, 08:19:55 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='87377' dateline='1460890024'
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='87374' dateline='1460888223'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='87369' dateline='1460886049'
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='87368' dateline='1460885944'Keep working at it. I suggest a modest target for stage 1. Say to get to where there are only 1,999,000 you don't have.

HeHe
it has taken me more than 15 yrs to have what I have in my collection so far , So maybe another 15yrs :)

It took me soo many years to get one ! Thanks to Mr.T.... Every time I went for a coin , I became the under bidder to Mr.T:winkextra:

It just shows you have Great taste in Canberra's :good:

:yahoo: Yes I do.... One day I will get a pretty coins as one of yours :winkextra:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on April 18, 2016, 04:50:31 AM
QuoteYes I do.... One day I will get a pretty coins as one of yours

There are many many coins out there that are as nice and nicer than what I have.
The trouble is that many dealers/sellers want Top money for pretty ordinary "Raw" coins and to be quite honest the majority of these dealers/sellers are pretty much "Clueless" at grading and picking up if a coin has been cleaned or not.
Finding genuine and uncleaned Canberra's at a reasonable price has become quite difficult as of late because many dealers/sellers expect "Bluesheet" ( PCGS-NGC graded coins) prices for their overgraded and often cleaned "Raw" offerings.
Even the uncleaned coins are priced "over the top".

Here are a few eBay listings to show what I am talking about :ok:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Australia-1927-Florin-2-George-V-Canberra-Silver-Uncirculated-/121825428162?hash=item1c5d5c82c2:g:CboAAOSwwE5WV~57
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1927M-FLORIN-PARLIAMENT-HOUSE-AUSTRALIA-ONE-FLORIN-M31-1-/111688681796?hash=item1a012a0944:g:WbkAAOSwpdpVcrFD
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1927C-Florin-choice-UNC-/291645592424?hash=item43e76e9368:g:QAkAAOSw7FRWUBys

Even some of the PCGS graded coins have some quite "Hopeful" pricings .

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1927-Australian-Florin-PCGS-MS61-/261942625293?hash=item3cfcff440d:g:HMwAAOSwMmBVipd9
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Australia-1927-Florin-PCGS-MS62-Silver-Coin-Choice-Uncirculated-4-steps-Rare-/141946934168?hash=item210cb25398:g:RUYAAOSwPc9WuGRs
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on April 18, 2016, 06:32:19 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='87393' dateline='1460920831'Even some of the PCGS graded coins have some quite "Hopeful" pricings .

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1927-Australian-Florin-PCGS-MS61-/261942625293?hash=item3cfcff440d:g:HMwAAOSwMmBVipd9
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Australia-1927-Florin-PCGS-MS62-Silver-Coin-Choice-Uncirculated-4-steps-Rare-/141946934168?hash=item210cb25398:g:RUYAAOSwPc9WuGRs

Those two are crazy optimistic considering the three MS64 examples ($200 - $230) I mentioned a couple of days ago.

I get the impression that some people think/hope there is a premium payable for commemorative coins in general and florins in particular.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on April 19, 2016, 05:42:40 AM
Here is another (PCGS MS64):

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/301923603449

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11093/1927PH_Florin_PCGS_MS64-3.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on April 22, 2016, 08:48:38 AM
My ISP data resets tomorrow so i'll download these USB Microscope Pics. of  a 27 PH Florin that has severe 'polish' marks,only one i've seen this bad.I'll download scans of full Coin when i get it back from a Friend.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/27_die_polish15.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/27_die_polish16.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/27_die_polish17.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/27_polish_3.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/1927_die_polish_4.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/27_polish_5.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/Ashampoo_Snap_2016_04_20_15h29m53s_001_.png)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on April 22, 2016, 09:11:22 AM
So, this die polishing, is it done to a new die? Or maybe a defective die with rust or some other problem. Would there be more coins like this one out there?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on April 22, 2016, 10:26:48 AM
Its not something i've worried much about over the years but now i'm retired and have some spare time i've taken a new interest in Varieties. AFAIK its mainly done to worn dies but the Proof PH Florins had it done.
There was a long article on the Internet a few years ago about the practice of 'polishing' dies as regards the Oz. mints,just did a Google but it didn't show but i'll try and find the old link.
It mentioned that Mint Staff cleaned the muck out of Dies with wire brushes so certainly harsh,i guess the early coins after this process weren't released for general circulation other wise there would be Thousands out there.
There are guys on this Forum that would know more about that process than me so hopefully they will post their Info.

Edit...i couldn't find Oz. article but here are a couple that mention wire-brush 'polishing'.

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2872359

http://boards.collectors-society.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2153451
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on April 22, 2016, 10:32:59 AM
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='87682' dateline='1461286608'the early coins after this process weren't released for general circulation other wise there would be Thousands out there.

That's kind of what I thought at first but how many coins would a die have to strike in order to wear down the lines in those images you posted.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Unicorn on April 22, 2016, 10:57:12 AM
Great images Basil ....... you've got those closeups downpat!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on April 22, 2016, 01:03:34 PM
Thanks Uni.,i've worked out how to get the whole Coin in focus so will post those Pics. when i get it back.I can never tell the difference between scratches & polish lines but i think they are polish lines on the 27 PH Florin,i had a good look and they seemed to be raised on this coin but i've sent it off to get a second opinion so see what happens.



Quote from: 'r9453' pid='87683' dateline='1461286979'
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='87682' dateline='1461286608'the early coins after this process weren't released for general circulation other wise there would be Thousands out there.

That's kind of what I thought at first but how many coins would a die have to strike in order to wear down the lines in those images you posted.

Yeah,that makes sense at the pressure the Dies work at,as i said its not something i know much about,was never very interested in 'marked' coins of any sort.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on April 28, 2016, 03:30:35 AM
This one is for sale on Facebook, described as aUnc, Scarce, $45. When asked if it was cleaned, the seller replied, "Not to my knowledge ... I bought it about 10 years ago from a coin dealer"

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11093/1927PH_Florin_FB28aUnc29_45.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on April 28, 2016, 10:01:32 AM
Proof with Polish lines clearly visible above óne'.Apparently these oblong shapes on left/right of Flagpole should have high detail as does the whole Building itself.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/1927_Arrow_proof_.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 03, 2016, 01:56:49 AM
Here are some of my newest acquisitions :)

An eBay purchase and quite a nice coin overall :)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ebay~0.jpg)

Here is one of the  MS65 coins I recently bought off Eric.
Nice subtle toning.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ms65~0.jpg)

Here is the other MS65 coin from Eric.
Fantastic strike and looks to be a borderline MS66 coin in an older type holder.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ms65_66.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ms65_66a.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Nevol on May 03, 2016, 07:34:14 AM
Nice set of steps on the last one!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 03, 2016, 07:47:33 AM
Quote from: 'Nevol' pid='88128' dateline='1462226654'Nice set of steps on the last one!

I would think that this is about as good as they get Nancy :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: autocoupler on May 03, 2016, 09:19:41 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='88131' dateline='1462227453'I would think that this is about as good as they get Nancy :good:

Very nice. The strike is every bit as good as this one I reckon :yahoo:

http://coins.ha.com/itm/australia/world-coins/george-v-florin-1927-m-ms66-/p/3048-12008.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 03, 2016, 11:46:12 AM
QuoteVery nice. The strike is every bit as good as this one I reckon :yahoo:

http://coins.ha.com/itm/australia/world-coins/george-v-florin-1927-m-ms66-/p/3048-12008.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

The coin is in one of the older style holders and may be worth the expense and effort of sending it in for "Reconsideration" at PCGS.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 03, 2016, 04:49:11 PM
This is a PCGS MS66 coin and as far as I can tell my new MS65 coin is a better grade than this particular coin.

PCGS MS66
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/32202722_large.jpg)

My coin
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ms65_66~0.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: proof27 on May 08, 2016, 06:34:06 PM
I'm no expert but that looks far from a 66.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 08, 2016, 06:40:56 PM
Quote from: 'proof27' pid='88386' dateline='1462698246'I'm no expert but that looks far from a 66.

Which one?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: interest on May 19, 2016, 02:06:04 PM
Is this due to storage in plastic? or normal toning?
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/interest88/Image1-30_zpsgp7spauu.jpg)
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/interest88/Image1-29_zps1zgjmvdv.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on May 19, 2016, 04:27:59 PM
Gee good question, I'd say it's toning naturally but then I have been know to be wrong, but not very often :mocking: Ok ok you got me, all the time :laugh2:

Looks nice and even :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 19, 2016, 07:02:23 PM
Nice 3 stepper AU55-58 and the toning looks acceptable from those images :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on May 19, 2016, 09:13:25 PM
Yeah,toning looks OK,minimal wear on Reverse,it looks like it may have the 'rope' on the RHS(as you look) Flagpole.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 19, 2016, 09:26:31 PM
I just noticed the black "Dot" on the r hand mace, What is that ?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: interest on May 19, 2016, 10:17:53 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='88868' dateline='1463658991'I just noticed the black "Dot" on the r hand mace, What is that ?
Bit of gunk, touched it with a tooth pick & it fell off.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 20, 2016, 03:14:22 AM
Quote from: 'interest' pid='88871' dateline='1463662073'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='88868' dateline='1463658991'I just noticed the black "Dot" on the r hand mace, What is that ?
Bit of gunk, touched it with a tooth pick & it fell off.

Nice , It would have been a shame if it was something nasty :yahoo:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: interest on May 20, 2016, 11:02:57 PM
Any suggestions regarding removing the gunk!
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/interest88/Image1-31_zpssxv8immg.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on May 20, 2016, 11:33:42 PM
Mmm, what is it?? Try either acetone or WD/CRC and a cotton tip and then rinse in warm soapy water :good: and try not to wipe it :winkextra:

Please keep us informed as to how you go with it interest :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 21, 2016, 03:33:32 AM
That looks pretty nasty, What on earth is it stuck to the coin?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: autocoupler on May 21, 2016, 08:41:57 AM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='88915' dateline='1463753022'Mmm, what is it?? Try either acetone or WD/CRC and a cotton tip and then rinse in warm soapy water :good: and try not to wipe it :winkextra:


Please keep us informed as to how you go with it interest :)

:i_agree: Degreaser in pressure pack from somewhere like Bunnings may help as well.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on May 21, 2016, 09:20:27 AM
Mmm, I haven't tried degreaser before so next time I'll try some, thanks auto :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Triggersmob on May 21, 2016, 09:32:51 AM
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='88919' dateline='1463785917'
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='88915' dateline='1463753022'Mmm, what is it?? Try either acetone or WD/CRC and a cotton tip and then rinse in warm soapy water :good: and try not to wipe it :winkextra:


Please keep us informed as to how you go with it interest :)

:i_agree: Degreaser in pressure pack from somewhere like Bunnings may help as well.

We have pressure packs of degreaser on special at Repco at the moment.
6 cans for $10. :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on May 21, 2016, 10:01:47 AM
is degreaser like WD40?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on May 21, 2016, 10:09:13 AM
No RG, WD is a lubricant mainly to loosen up rusty nuts etc or you can use it on things like a squeaking door but a degreaser is what you put on things like the motor in your car to clean it up, gets rid of or helps break up grease and oil etc, hope this helps :)

Oh and nice plug there Steve so hope your on commission :winkextra:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on May 21, 2016, 10:12:15 AM
oh - memories
I remember degreaser being like a pink toned greasey crap that used to stink like petroleum

gee - would you put that crap on a coin? the coins would stink forever
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 21, 2016, 12:26:48 PM
I wouldn't be using either wd40 or a degreaser on any of my coins :stop:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: autocoupler on May 21, 2016, 03:47:27 PM
I've used it in the past with no obvious harmful effects. I'm not suggesting dunking the prised collection cornerstone, but I can't see a problem in soaking a coin for a few hours such as the one in question. Each to their own though,  whatever floats your boat baby. :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on May 21, 2016, 04:37:10 PM
I have used wd on a few old coins and works well, well enough that pcgs didn't say anything and graded one at AU58 :mocking: so I was really happy with that :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on May 21, 2016, 07:07:25 PM
Seriously!!!!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: interest on May 21, 2016, 08:09:00 PM
It appears that the stuff on this coin is either varnish or lacquer
have used some WD40 on it & have been able to remove a bit of it as you can see, bit of a shame really.
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/interest88/Image1-229_zpsdtot1ib8.jpg)

Quote from: 'interest' pid='88914' dateline='1463751177'Any suggestions regarding removing the gunk!
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/interest88/Image1-31_zpssxv8immg.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: echidna on May 21, 2016, 08:19:34 PM
WD40 works well on bronze but not silver.
Soak it in lemon juice for a couple of hours then rinse in soapy water.
The stains should come off.
Then leave it in a dansco supreme for a year and it will retone and look great.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on May 21, 2016, 08:22:40 PM
Mmm not good interest so might have to give it a few goes, so gentle as it goes mate and should be able to get it off over time. Maybe a soak in acetone might help loosen it up, can only try these thing.
Yes RG it was my 1923 penny, this one :)
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/32538626

Haven't tried lemon juice so worth a shot too, didn't see your post before I posted sorry echi :)

And a toothpick might be needed to get down into the date and other low areas.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Triggersmob on May 21, 2016, 08:34:48 PM
If it's varnish, then maybe acetone will shift it.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 21, 2016, 08:42:42 PM
QuoteSoak it in lemon juice for a couple of hours then rinse in soapy water.
 The stains should come off.

:dash1::dash1:
So will all the lustre and you will forever ruin the coin , DONT do this.
If it is varnish a soak in acetone will remove this without ANY harm to the coin :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: autocoupler on May 21, 2016, 09:35:31 PM
Quite some years ago I had a 1927 penny (funny it's the same date) that someone had coated with varnish. Nothing would move it, even acetone didn't come through for me. In the end I tried paint thinners, thinking about it a logical candidate and bingo, stripped that little penny as bare as a babies bottom. Even the verdigris which was lurking beneath was laying in blobs at the bottom of the cup the next morning, unfortunately so was the patina, well not really but was totally gone and the coin looked freshly off the presses :angel: This then got me thinking that I had stumbled upon a sure fire way of getting rid of verdigris, and try as I may, it was impossible to replicate the previous result :idea: hmmm.....silly, a coat of varnish had to be applied first didn't it, and then allow to cure! Anyhow, not that the coin was any good to start with, but it retoned nicely with regular contact of human body oils (starting to get kinky I hear you say). Around the base of the neck is a good spot particularly if you're a greasy little bugger like me, and PCGS will never know :winkextra: Someone once told me a good way to retone was to slip the coin inside your sock and wear it for a day or two :shock: it works :yahoo: And it beats going to the gym :biggrin:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 22, 2016, 07:19:03 AM
QuoteNothing would move it, even acetone didn't come through for me.

With something like varnish you need to soak the coin in acetone for quite a while.
Just put a tissue in the bottom of a small screw top jar then add the coin and acetone then just set and forget for a few weeks.
The acetone will do NO harm to the coin and will eventually dissolve the varnish if left soaking for long enough :good:

This talk of using harsh chemicals to clean problem coins makes me cringe, Once a coin has been adversely cleaned it is damaged forever and doing this to any coin especially a Canberra florin to me is abhorrent .
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on May 22, 2016, 08:52:59 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='88983' dateline='1463867343'....something like varnish you need to soak the coin in acetone.

Yep,usually works for varnish,paint etc.
If it doesn't then you need to use a Ultrasonic cleaner,dab of detergent with half teaspoon of Baking Soda,the bits of the coin that aren't toned or had a varnish covering will have a sheen but if you leave the  coin in air for a few weeks it will usually return to a natural toning.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 22, 2016, 09:48:50 AM
Here is an example of a perfectly good coin that someone decided that a bit of a clean up would benefit it :cray:
This was probably done with all of the best intentions But it has forever ruined the surface of what was probably a MS64 coin before it was scrubbed :dash1:
Whoever did this turned a $150-$200 coin into $7 worth of scrap Silver.
Cleaning coins is NEVER a good idea even if you think you know what you are doing there is always the risk that you will ruin the coin.
The best advice I can give anyone regarding cleaning coins is simply don't do it :ok:

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/cleaned.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on May 22, 2016, 11:19:41 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='88993' dateline='1463876330'The best advice I can give anyone regarding cleaning coins is simply don't do it :ok:

I agree,unless its Verdigris its best to live with it but when you have paint/varnish and the like on a Coin its visual & monetary values increase with it gone.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on May 22, 2016, 07:30:03 PM
:agreed:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 22, 2016, 07:51:00 PM
There was a time when Varnishing coins was an accepted practice as it does help to preserve the coin. :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on May 22, 2016, 09:05:49 PM
Trends come and go so maybe I could start this one again :mocking:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 22, 2016, 09:14:18 PM
Good idea Mate.
We could varnish all them nasty cleaned coins and flog em off as flash new ones :diablo: :laugh2:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on May 22, 2016, 09:17:44 PM
Sounds good :) I'll be in the shed :laugh2:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on May 22, 2016, 09:48:44 PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='89017' dateline='1463917664'Sounds good :) I'll be in the shed :laugh2:

Don't forget if you want it slabbed i'll get one of the Dodgy Bros. to personally grade it, Unc..$150..Fine.. $100..Basal State... Slab of beer....LOL..


All this talk reminds me of a 1933(?) Florin i received in a bulk lot a few years back.Looks like someone had coloured it in with enamel of some kind,it wasn't nail varnish as a Acetone bath did nothing.Finally got it to break away in a Ultrasonic cleaner,it took several cycles,10+ IIRC,but once the edges went it all fell away.
I had it sitting outside in a glass bottle(Crows & Currawongs try to steal it)  for several months and it toned up OK.I'll try and find it and post a Pic.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on May 22, 2016, 10:05:51 PM
All good Basil I've been thinking about setting up my own slabbing company :D

From what I've seen it's not that hard to do and you just copy paste from a reputable company and it's all good :blink: I'll even put "WE" in everything so it sounds like there's more than just me doing it :angel:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 22, 2016, 10:10:44 PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='89024' dateline='1463920551'All good Basil I've been thinking about setting up my own slabbing company :D


From what I've seen it's not that hard to do and you just copy paste from a reputable company and it's all good :blink: I'll even put "WE" in everything so it sounds like there's more than just me doing it :angel:

So, Is this going to be called AJPCGS?? :laugh2:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on May 22, 2016, 10:13:49 PM
:laugh2: well it's as good as any name isn't it :blush2: Surely apcgs wouldn't have a problem with that :mocking:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: autocoupler on May 23, 2016, 11:46:41 AM
This probably should be in another thread, but here seemed apt. Agreeing with all of above re what and what not to do with grubby and dodgy coins, and only having purchased one slabbed coin in the past, I recently picked up my second. Hopefully it's a nice 1981 2 cent no SD, of course it's in a APCGS slab :yahoo: The reason for my confidence is that the seller said APCGS standards are much higher than that of PCGS :shock::scared::blum3::biggrin:

You know how it is when you're looking to fill that last hole :angel: Will post a pic when it arrives. I'm feeling lucky :yahoo:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: proof27 on May 23, 2016, 11:59:50 AM
I'm blown away that this is graded MS66, my 64+ looks better.
http://www.numisbid.com.au/Browse/1927_Florin_PCGS_MS66/29708
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 23, 2016, 12:07:51 PM
Quote from: 'proof27' pid='89037' dateline='1463970590'I'm blown away that this is graded MS66, my 64+ looks better.
http://www.numisbid.com.au/Browse/1927_Florin_PCGS_MS66/29708

It probebly looks a lot better in hand but from those images all my MS65 coins look better than that one.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: proof27 on May 23, 2016, 12:39:45 PM
There's not even a step.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: interest on May 23, 2016, 02:01:27 PM
Quote from: 'interest' pid='88966' dateline='1463827140'It appears that the stuff on this coin is either varnish or lacquer
have used some WD40 on it & have been able to remove a bit of it as you can see, bit of a shame really.


Quote from: 'interest' pid='88914' dateline='1463751177'Any suggestions regarding removing the gunk!
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/interest88/Image1-31_zpssxv8immg.jpg)
So it has gone from that to this & I might leave it alone now.
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/interest88/Image1-230_zpsywp6ekls.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 23, 2016, 02:08:05 PM
That came up rather well, looks ok to me.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: interest on May 23, 2016, 02:14:38 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='89043' dateline='1463978285'That came up rather well, looks ok to me.
Compared to how it was yeah looks a lot better.
That was using the acetone.
Now I'll just leave it.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Goldseeker on May 23, 2016, 02:59:23 PM
Have you tried to clean it up a bit with the use of an ultrasonic cleaner,?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 23, 2016, 03:04:29 PM
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='89049' dateline='1463981363'Have you tried to clean it up a bit with the use of an ultrasonic cleaner,?

It look pretty good as it is Bruce, I would leave it as it is :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on May 23, 2016, 03:20:42 PM
Excellent job interest :good: I take it the obverse didn't have the gunk.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Goldseeker on May 23, 2016, 03:21:26 PM
I am in the process of doing my complete pre decimal collection of coins in an ultrasonic cleaner using water, a dash of liquid soap and a slurp of cloudy ammonia.

OK, so some will attack me for doing this but the dirt etc that was on the coins I have done has almost disappeared and I do not rub the coins with anything but my fingers.

The florin collection really does look tops compared to what they originally looked.

The collection is a circulated coin collection so I can't see the harm in getting rid of the dirt etc.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: interest on May 23, 2016, 03:42:40 PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='89052' dateline='1463982642'Excellent job interest :good: I take it the obverse didn't have the gunk.
It did but nowhere as much as reverse that came up looking quite good. I'm happy to leave it now.

Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='89049' dateline='1463981363'Have you tried to clean it up a bit with the use of an ultrasonic cleaner,?
I don't have access to an ultrasonic cleaner,
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: autocoupler on May 23, 2016, 04:45:49 PM
[/quote]
So it has gone from that to this & I might leave it alone now.
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/interest88/Image1-230_zpsywp6ekls.jpg)
[/quote]

Nicely done Rob. Was some kind of friction required as encouragement, or did the gunk just dissolve and disappear.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on May 23, 2016, 05:59:01 PM
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='89053' dateline='1463982686'I am in the process of doing my complete pre decimal collection of coins in an ultrasonic cleaner using water, a dash of liquid soap and a slurp of cloudy ammonia.

OK, so some will attack me for doing this but the dirt etc that was on the coins I have done has almost disappeared and I do not rub the coins with anything but my fingers.

The florin collection really does look tops compared to what they originally looked.

The collection is a circulated coin collection so I can't see the harm in getting rid of the dirt etc.

cloudy ammonia ??? my hubby cleans the bathroom floor with that stuff -it stinks to high heaven!!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 23, 2016, 06:13:55 PM
They are your coins Goldie and what you do with them is entirely up to you But I would definitely NOT recommend doing this to any collector if the intention is  to keep the coins originality .
Regardless of the sonic cleaning , just rubbing a coin with your fingers will leave minute if not major marks on a coin especially silver or copper coins.
Many a coin has been forever ruined by well intentioned people in  the past and  this will continue to happen I suppose.
All we can do as collectors is to advise people how to handle, Store and generally look after the coins in their collections as best we can. :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: interest on May 23, 2016, 06:33:13 PM
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='89061' dateline='1463987749'
So it has gone from that to this & I might leave it alone now.

[/quote]

Nicely done Rob. Was some kind of friction required as encouragement, or did the gunk just dissolve and disappear.
[/quote]

Just soaked it for a while & dabbed with a cotton bud.
Quite pleased with result, can still see some (I think varnish) but it's heaps better.
I have just noticed on some of the Shillings I have there is the same stuff, from the early 30's but not in that quantity, it must have been something they were using back then.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 23, 2016, 06:55:03 PM
Posted in the wrong thread and removed :dash1:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on May 23, 2016, 08:07:01 PM
Hehe I think you might have put your last post in the wrong thread trout :)

Think you might have meant to put it in the gaming thread :winkextra:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 23, 2016, 08:21:11 PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='89074' dateline='1463999821'Hehe I think you might have put your last post in the wrong thread trout :)


Think you might have meant to put it in the gaming thread :winkextra:

Thanks mate , Fixed it :blush:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 25, 2016, 11:13:22 AM
I picked these 2 up yesterday.
Sellers images, I will update them when the coins arrive :ok:

Ungraded crappy images
$28.25 delivered
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/may_16.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/may_16a.jpg)

PCGS graded MS63
$101.60 delivered
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/may_16b.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on June 01, 2016, 01:40:57 PM
I just picked this one up from eBay.
I have NO idea why the reverse is upside down in the image (I think it is an early PCGS image) but it looks like it has promise of some nice toning.
I have bought a couple of other Canberra's from Chris before with images like this and they are rather nice, I'll see when it gets here :ok:
Anyway what's not to like about an MS64 Canberra anyway :yahoo::)

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/201593820563?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Chris just sent me the PCGS cert# .
PCGS have come a long way with the images provided with  a "Secure" submission since this one was graded :good:

http://www.pcgs.com/cert/28151864
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on June 06, 2016, 06:54:42 AM
For those who don't have Facebook, the owner of this coin is looking for offers over $50k:

"1927 Canberra PROOF Florin (1 of 400 minted with maybe 100 existing)
FDC (regarded as Finest Known Example - Belinda Downie)
From the Baldwin Collection UK originally"

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11093/1927PH_Florin_Proof-FB_35k.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on June 06, 2016, 07:02:08 AM
Very nice But 50k+ is way above my pay grade
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on June 06, 2016, 04:57:08 PM
yes 25 to 35k but because he got it from downie's and they fed him a heap of crap he thinks it's worth that, and yes Uni you get a set of jousting sticks :mocking: He also put on another post that he'll pay the flight fees if your on the east coast so he knows he's a ripoff :blink: And it looks like he's a pawn dealer. I would have thought he would have got better pic's as they're pretty crappy to say the least and I hope the mark on the obverse under the bust there is on the plastic.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on June 11, 2016, 08:23:01 PM
Here are the darkly toned coins I bought from Chris.

MS64
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ms64~1.jpg)

MS63
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ms63.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on June 11, 2016, 08:51:15 PM
I can't get that facebook page to load up for me
coin looks nice
50K on facebook is really weird though
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on June 11, 2016, 10:39:19 PM
They look ok trout, I like the purplish top one :good:
He's probably taken it down by now RG as is requested by most admins.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on June 12, 2016, 03:38:06 AM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='90387' dateline='1465644075'I can't get that facebook page to load up for me
coin looks nice
50K on facebook is really weird though

I'm not sure the thread is still there, sometimes they come and go very quickly. I think the owner was testing the waters, $35k would be closer to the mark and even then I doubt you would find a buyer on Fbook.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on June 14, 2016, 11:44:43 PM
Here is another eBay pickup from pacificrimcoins.
So far all of Chris's images in his listings have been  rather "Unflattering", It will be interesting to see what this looks like "In Hand" when it arrives :good:

Sellers images
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/64a~0.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/64~0.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on June 15, 2016, 01:05:10 PM
hum
looks unc/near unc
with black junk on the surfaces
hope it has more colour when it comes home to you trout

maybe a Newcastle coin
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on June 15, 2016, 01:36:31 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='90725' dateline='1465961710'hum
looks unc/near unc
with black junk on the surfaces
hope it has more colour when it comes home to you trout

maybe a Newcastle coin

It's in a MS64 PCGS slab :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on June 16, 2016, 02:17:33 AM
I saw this one on Facebook $5:

(http://i.imgur.com/tnph9ty.jpg?1)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on June 16, 2016, 02:59:21 AM
three of these make an ounce of silver, That one is worth about $7 :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on June 16, 2016, 03:27:22 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='90779' dateline='1466011761'three of these make an ounce of silver, That one is worth about $7 :)

Ha ha yes I thought it was pretty close to the bottom of the barrel. It looks like it might have spent some time in general circulation.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: wwwww on June 16, 2016, 04:36:40 AM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='90725' dateline='1465961710'hum
looks unc/near unc
with black junk on the surfaces
hope it has more colour when it comes home to you trout

maybe a Newcastle coin

Iridescent toning often comes out black in scans.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on June 16, 2016, 09:48:12 AM
QuoteIridescent toning often comes out black in scans.

:agreed:
Even with a camera it is quite difficult to image the underlying lustre and colours on a toned coin.
I am pretty sure that PCGS would not grade a dull and lifeless coin at MS64 anyway :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on June 16, 2016, 08:04:24 PM
Quote from: 'wwwww' pid='90785' dateline='1466017600'
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='90725' dateline='1465961710'hum
looks unc/near unc
with black junk on the surfaces
hope it has more colour when it comes home to you trout

maybe a Newcastle coin

Iridescent toning often comes out black in scans.

oh ta
Newcastle coins often come with black toning

Quote from: 'trout' pid='90794' dateline='1466036292'
QuoteIridescent toning often comes out black in scans.

:agreed:
Even with a camera it is quite difficult to image the underlying lustre and colours on a toned coin.
I am pretty sure that PCGS would not grade a dull and lifeless coin at MS64 anyway :)

oh really????
not according to the bitch over in the captain cook thread mate!!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on June 16, 2016, 09:50:12 PM
:swoon: Oh my young ears :laugh2:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on June 16, 2016, 10:31:48 PM
Quoteoh really????
 not according to the bitch over in the captain cook thread mate!!

Which captain cook thread ??
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on June 17, 2016, 02:46:18 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='90868' dateline='1466082108'Which captain cook thread ??

I believe it's called MS68 My Foot, or words to that effect.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on June 17, 2016, 02:47:28 AM
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='90880' dateline='1466097378'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='90868' dateline='1466082108'Which captain cook thread ??

I believe it's called MS68 My Foot, or words to that effect.

OK
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on June 17, 2016, 07:23:00 PM
ha ha
you are funny mate  :yahoo:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on June 22, 2016, 08:13:47 PM
This MS64coin arrived today and unfortunately the toning on this one is rather dark and ugly.
The bottom third of the coin has a "sooty" appearance.
I am tossing up if I send it to PCGS for "Conservation" or not .
This is also the coin with the dodgy cert#

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ugly.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: nealeffendi on June 22, 2016, 09:33:25 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='91262' dateline='1466592227'This MS64coin arrived today and unfortunately the toning on this one is rather dark and ugly.
The bottom third of the coin has a "sooty" appearance.
I am tossing up if I send it to PCGS for "Conservation" or not .
This is also the coin with the dodgy cert#

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ugly.jpg)

Canberras in MS64 are not really worth the cost of sending for conservation, especially when the only issue is an unattractive colour. Is the "sooty" appearance just stable toning or is there something active and destructive going on?
I've picked up a few Canberras in PCGS slabs (MS64) these past few months for about $90 to $130 each (such as ebay item 371654886567 just 2 days ago for US 71.60 plus US26.89 postage) so spending good money on postage and conservation will not make your florin worth that much more. BTW how much did you pay for this black Canberra?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on June 22, 2016, 10:40:14 PM
I didn't pay big money for this one and you are probably quite right about not worth getting conserved/cleaned.
I will just put this with the others as it is .
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on June 22, 2016, 11:58:00 PM
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='91263' dateline='1466597005'ebay item 371654886567 just 2 days ago

:dodgy: I just looked and there's nothing there under this item number :scratch_one-s_head:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: nealeffendi on June 23, 2016, 04:49:55 AM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='91270' dateline='1466605680'
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='91263' dateline='1466597005'ebay item 371654886567 just 2 days ago

:dodgy: I just looked and there's nothing there under this item number :scratch_one-s_head:

Did you look at Australian ebay or US ebay?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on June 23, 2016, 07:04:43 AM
QuoteI've picked up a few Canberras in PCGS slabs (MS64) these past few months for about $90 to $130 each

Nicely done Neil, Most of the graded Canberra's that are US listed usually have high/ambitious price tags on them :good:
Also a rather large percentage of the Australian listed Raw coins that are described as Ch UNC and Gem UNC by mostly dealers are listed at "Bluesheet" values and finding accurately graded collector listings are getting few and far between as well  lately.
I am not that interested in paying Bluesheet values for Raw coins, I'm thinking that if these are as good as they say they are Why haven't they been graded yet?

I used to be able to find at least 1 nice Canberra each week, But over the last couple of years this seems to have become quite tough and that's why I have been getting the graded coins :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on June 23, 2016, 08:57:10 AM
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='91274' dateline='1466623195'
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='91270' dateline='1466605680'
Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='91263' dateline='1466597005'ebay item 371654886567 just 2 days ago

:dodgy: I just looked and there's nothing there under this item number :scratch_one-s_head:

Did you look at Australian ebay or US ebay?

I didn't know it made a difference. I'll try it on the US one :winkextra:

Found it thanks Neal, nice coin :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on June 23, 2016, 07:27:12 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='91262' dateline='1466592227'This MS64coin arrived today and unfortunately the toning on this one is rather dark and ugly.
The bottom third of the coin has a "sooty" appearance.
I am tossing up if I send it to PCGS for "Conservation" or not .
This is also the coin with the dodgy cert#

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ugly.jpg)


hum I recall commenting that this looked like a Newcastle coin
not Newcastle coins the seller
but coins from towns like Newcastle where the airborne sulphur buggers the coins with blackened tone & surface corrosion
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 08, 2016, 08:38:46 AM
Quote from: 'proof27' pid='88386' dateline='1462698246'I'm no expert but that looks far from a 66.

I finally got the results back from PCGS on this one.

Cert # 14303260  MS65+ :)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/MS652B.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on July 08, 2016, 09:05:56 AM
:scratch_one-s_head: I thought I'd suss pcgs and this is what I got.
(http://i66.tinypic.com/woieg.png)

Nice coin BTW and be worth a pretty penny.

The reverse is really nice :drooling:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 08, 2016, 09:20:11 AM
HeHeHe
PCGS hasn't finished doing their stuff yet , that's why there is no info on the cert# search :ok:
My coin is now the main image when you look up the Canberra florins on the Pop reports, I haven't got my proper "Truview" image from them yet :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on July 08, 2016, 09:30:13 AM
Cool, I'll have a look again later.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 08, 2016, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='92201' dateline='1467936013'Cool, I'll have a look again later.

Try it now Mate :)
http://www.pcgs.com/cert/14303260
Two of the coins on the pop page are mine now :yahoo:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on July 08, 2016, 02:09:28 PM
yep, she's a goer :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on July 08, 2016, 03:03:55 PM
absolutely beautiful
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: purplepennyhunter on July 08, 2016, 06:20:43 PM
She's a keeper mate.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 08, 2016, 06:43:51 PM
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='92226' dateline='1467967843'She's a keeper mate.

it certainly is PP, This one has been a long time coming :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 08, 2016, 07:59:30 PM
My trueview image is good to go now.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/14303260_Large.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on July 09, 2016, 06:25:16 AM
What's the story with #14303260, when and where did you buy it? Did you send it back for reconsideration? If so what was it originally graded?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 09, 2016, 07:27:53 AM
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='92231' dateline='1468011316'What's the story with #14303260, when and where did you buy it? Did you send it back for reconsideration? If so what was it originally graded?

I recently bought 2 MS65 Canberra Florins from Drake Stirling numismatics ( Eric Eigner ) this coin was one of them.
The reason why I bought 2 of them is because I sent a Bank payment to Eric's old account by mistake so I sent another payment to the correct account for the first coin.
As He had another MS65 coin in his inventory I suggested that I purchase that instead of him sending a refund for the first payment which went to the wrong account.
When the coins arrived here I noticed that this particular coin was nicer than the other 4 MS65 Canberra's that I have and decided that it was a worthy candidate for a reconsideration submission.
It has retained the original cert#14303260 but it has been reholdered and the grade has been changed to MS65+, I still think it is a MS66 coin but MS65+ is what PCGS has graded it as so I will have to put up with it.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on July 09, 2016, 07:37:03 AM
OK thanks, that explains it perfectly. Getting an extra point from MS65 to MS66 after reconsideration would be a bit like herding a camel through the eye of a needle.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 09, 2016, 07:51:11 AM
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='92234' dateline='1468015623'OK thanks, that explains it perfectly. Getting an extra point from MS65 to MS66 after reconsideration would be a bit like herding a camel through the eye of a needle.

HeHeHe
Pretty much the eye of the needle stuff but that little "+" at the end of the grade puts this coin in the top 14 of the 474 Canberra florins graded by PCGS with only 11 coins graded higher, With the single finest MS67 coin being only 1 1/2 grading points higher.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on July 09, 2016, 10:03:52 AM
:i_agree: :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 14, 2016, 01:42:03 PM
This coin is Finally home safe and sound.
What a lot if Malarky just to get a tiny "+" added to a slab :angel:

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/65_plus_canberra.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/65_plus_canberra4.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 15, 2016, 12:10:13 AM
I have  just added the 65+ coin to "The Box" :)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/the_box.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on July 15, 2016, 03:55:26 AM
Very nice, is that box full? Its interesting how PCGS call them "Canberra" and NGC "Parliament House", I think the latter is more correct.

EDIT: They also like to call the 1934-35 Melbourne Centenary florin "Australia Centennial".
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 15, 2016, 08:59:08 AM
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='92548' dateline='1468520726'Very nice, is that box full? Its interesting how PCGS call them "Canberra" and NGC "Parliament House", I think the latter is more correct.

EDIT: They also like to call the 1934-35 Melbourne Centenary florin "Australia Centennial".

Both PCGS and NGC both annoyingly put the obverse of the coin on the grade side of the slab, which is a shame.
That particular box only holds 8 slabs, the rest of my slabbed Canberra's live in special slab pages in an album :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on July 15, 2016, 11:02:25 AM
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='92548' dateline='1468520726'Very nice, is that box full? Its interesting how PCGS call them "Canberra" and NGC "Parliament House", I think the latter is more correct.

EDIT: They also like to call the 1934-35 Melbourne Centenary florin "Australia Centennial".

Yes your right Rob, it should say parliament house and not canberra because that's what it is.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on July 15, 2016, 11:37:02 AM
the Obverse is 'the coin'  - i.e. the monarch of the time and the legal authorisation of the value of the coin

apparently the reverse (that we love so much) is just the added pretty stuff

i always call the obverse 'the back' with my coin dealer and he gets annoyed!!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 15, 2016, 01:56:17 PM
I always put the notations on my 2x2's on the reverse of a pre decimal coin and  on the obverse with decimal coins because that is the side the date is on :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on July 15, 2016, 02:19:13 PM
There is no doubt about it, PCGS mount our coins back to front. However, when they create the True View image I think its correct to have the monarch on the left and the money shot on the right.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: duggee27 on July 16, 2016, 10:59:53 AM
trout
here's one for your box

http://coins.ha.com/itm/australia/world-coins/australia-george-v-proof-canberra-parliament-house-florin-1927-m-pr66-ngc-/a/3048-32139.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

Quote from: 'duggee27' pid='92616' dateline='1468632593'trout
here's one for your box

http://coins.ha.com/itm/australia/world-coins/australia-george-v-proof-canberra-parliament-house-florin-1927-m-pr66-ngc-/a/3048-32139.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

whats the "blue" areas on kings neck and behind his royal head - reflection??
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 16, 2016, 01:15:58 PM
That is a Stunning coin and one that would have to be viewed "In Hand" before bidding on as there is a vast difference in the NGC images and the newer ones.
The area behind the Kings head is just toning, Like I said a Stunning Coin but way above my pay grade :cray:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on July 16, 2016, 02:07:02 PM
:swoon: :drooling: lovely
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on July 16, 2016, 05:59:45 PM
how beautiful - 3 clear steps there for sure
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: interest on July 17, 2016, 01:24:43 PM
is that a hole in the coin just behind the Kings head?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 17, 2016, 01:32:18 PM
Quote from: 'interest' pid='92746' dateline='1468727683'is that a hole in the coin just behind the Kings head?

NO
It's something that I like to call "Pin Hole" Toning.
Probably caused by a tiny bit of something that was touching the coin that has affected the toning or a pin hole in the envelope the coin was stored in.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 19, 2016, 11:24:23 AM
I have just bought this one of Eric, I couldn't afford the MS66 coin he has on his website But the toning on this looks really promising and I just couldn't resist it :good:

Eric's image
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/192730987708_wide.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on July 19, 2016, 11:44:48 AM
:mocking: You could always send me this instead of the 62 florin :blush2: Lovely coin cobba :good:

That coin is still for sale so I should go buy it :blush2: :laugh2:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 19, 2016, 02:33:26 PM
QuoteThat coin is still for sale so I should go buy it Blush2 Laugh2

Not a chance Mate, I sent the payment already :dance2::dance::dance2: :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on July 19, 2016, 03:32:46 PM
It could have been fun for Eric if I did buy it :mocking:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 19, 2016, 03:47:43 PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='92869' dateline='1468908166'It could have been fun for Eric if I did buy it :mocking:

Eric has far too much integrity for that sort of malarkey Mate :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on July 19, 2016, 04:21:05 PM
Yes but he could have said I got in first :angel:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 19, 2016, 04:28:37 PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='92874' dateline='1468911065'Yes but he could have said I got in first :angel:

Maybe, But you Eric and I know that you didn't.
That's why dealing with people like Eric, PP, Andrew Crellin and the like is so enjoyable :) :dance:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on July 19, 2016, 04:52:57 PM
You crawler, you know sucking up won't get you a discount :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

Unlike me that gets a discount because I'm just sooo lovely :mocking: :angel:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 19, 2016, 05:07:14 PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='92876' dateline='1468912977'You crawler, you know sucking up won't get you a discount :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

Sucking up isn't in my repertoire young fella and CASH will always find a discount :)
However with this particular coin there was no need to dicker with the price, as I think that I got a bargain at the price that it was listed at :dance2: :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on July 19, 2016, 05:21:56 PM
I know mate by why should I let the truth get in the way of a good stir :friends:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 20, 2016, 03:03:45 PM
Eric shipped the coin today AJ, So when it gets here I will take some fresh images of OUR coin and post them in this thread :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on July 20, 2016, 03:59:04 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='92924' dateline='1468992825'OUR coin

You might get joint custody AJ.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 20, 2016, 04:13:36 PM
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='92930' dateline='1468996144'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='92924' dateline='1468992825'OUR coin

You might get joint custody AJ.

HeHe :diablo::laugh2:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on July 27, 2016, 04:02:08 AM
AU58 (trout):

(http://images.pcgs.com/TrueView/81050007_Large.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 27, 2016, 10:19:40 AM
Yes
I am pretty pissed off with that result
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on July 28, 2016, 03:49:09 AM
I'm not sure if this coin is already itt but here it is:

MS66 ex Borg ex Fenton:

https://www.noble.com.au/auctions/lot?id=364422

http://www.pcgs.com/cert/26485363

(http://images.pcgs.com/SecurePlus/26485363_Large.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 28, 2016, 07:16:23 AM
If the images for this coin are anything to go on then this is a pretty "ordinary" looking MS66.
Maybe the people that viewed this "In Hand" thought so as well and that's why it only made it to $1600 at auction :angel:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 28, 2016, 08:22:17 AM
I have done some "Horse Trading" and have secured this one for my collection :yahoo:

PCGS MS66 :)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/erics_ms66.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 28, 2016, 04:29:55 PM
I just picked this one up from the post office, I had totally forgotten about this one.
This is one I got from Eric, MS64 and without the 2 small hits in front of the Kings face this would have had a real good shot at MS65.
A very pleasing coin :)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/MS64_eric.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/MS64_eric1.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 02, 2016, 03:52:53 PM
My MS66 coin is on its way and I should have it in hand by the end of next week hopefully :yahoo:
I will attempt to get some better images of the coin that will hopefully show its true beauty and post them up here :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on August 09, 2016, 03:29:31 PM
I'm ready for my access visit :beg: :laugh2:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 10, 2016, 01:28:08 PM
My MS66 coin arrived today :yahoo:
I am struggling to capture images of this coin But this is what I have been able to achieve :ok:

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/new1~0.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/new2.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/new3.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on August 10, 2016, 03:25:55 PM
Nice, now is it time for our shared custody :mocking:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: markn on August 10, 2016, 05:10:30 PM
Pretty.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 10, 2016, 06:06:31 PM
Quote from: 'markn' pid='94080' dateline='1470814830'Pretty.

The toning is like Mother of Pearl in hand, Super hard for me to image it.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: markn on August 10, 2016, 06:14:18 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='94089' dateline='1470818191'
Quote from: 'markn' pid='94080' dateline='1470814830'Pretty.

The toning is like Mother of Pearl in hand, Super hard for me to image it.

I have a MS66, yours looks much nicer.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 10, 2016, 06:22:40 PM
Quote from: 'markn' pid='94093' dateline='1470818658'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='94089' dateline='1470818191'
Quote from: 'markn' pid='94080' dateline='1470814830'Pretty.

The toning is like Mother of Pearl in hand, Super hard for me to image it.

I have a MS66, yours looks much nicer.

I got this from Eric.
He viewed the MS66 coin at the Fenton sale and he is of the opinion that this one is much nicer, I just "Got Lucky" with this one I suppose :)
When I picked it up from the Post office I took it straight outside in the sunlight to look at it and even through the plastic baggie and the slab the colours in the toning were amazing.
I am Very happy with the coin and it looks far far better than the images on Eric's site or the ones I can come up with.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: markn on August 10, 2016, 06:40:54 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='94095' dateline='1470819160'
Quote from: 'markn' pid='94093' dateline='1470818658'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='94089' dateline='1470818191'
Quote from: 'markn' pid='94080' dateline='1470814830'Pretty.

The toning is like Mother of Pearl in hand, Super hard for me to image it.

I have a MS66, yours looks much nicer.

I got this from Eric.
He viewed the MS66 coin at the Fenton sale and he is of the opinion that this one is much nicer, I just "Got Lucky" with this one I suppose :)
When I picked it up from the Post office I took it straight outside in the sunlight to look at it and even through the plastic baggie and the slab the colours in the toning were amazing.
I am Very happy with the coin and it looks far far better than the images on Eric's site or the ones I can come up with.

I bought mine raw from a Downies auction in 2006 and it was the second coin I ever got graded and was the second MS66 graded.  The MS67 was already around at that time.  Honestly I have a MS65 which I think is much nicer looking. Neither hold a candle to yours though.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 10, 2016, 06:49:59 PM
The MS65+ coin that I have is technically just as nice and with a better strike than my 66 coin but it doesn't have the "Wow" of the 66 coin.
I have 5 other MS65 coins and I am thinking of sending back a couple of these for "reconsideration".

I just had a look at what I have in graded Canberra's and I have 1x MS66, 1x MS65+, 5x MS65 1x MS63 Proof Like and two blue boxes full of MS64-AU58 coins.
I think I may have enough graded coin now :angel:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 10, 2016, 08:56:32 PM
QuoteI have a MS66, yours looks much nicer.
Can you post an image of your coin please Mate.
I may be able to use it as a reference along with mine to see if my other MS65 are worthwhile sending off for reconsideration and the long wait involved.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on August 10, 2016, 11:22:03 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='94089' dateline='1470818191'
Quote from: 'markn' pid='94080' dateline='1470814830'Pretty.

The toning is like Mother of Pearl in hand, Super hard for me to image it.

it very beautiful
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: markn on August 11, 2016, 08:23:37 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='94124' dateline='1470828392'
QuoteI have a MS66, yours looks much nicer.
Can you post an image of your coin please Mate.
I may be able to use it as a reference along with mine to see if my other MS65 are worthwhile sending off for reconsideration and the long wait involved.

It's not here to be able to take a picture of.  I'll try to remember to bring it home at some point and take a picture for you.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 11, 2016, 08:34:35 AM
QuoteIt's not here to be able to take a picture of. I'll try to remember to bring it home at some point and take a picture for you.

Thanks Mate, I am looking forward to seeing your coin :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on August 11, 2016, 10:12:55 AM
Is that bid yours Jim?,10-15 years ago this was a $50(if that) coin,i never bothered with them but they have sure taken off,$ wise, in the better grades now,i guess slabbing has a lot to do with that.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1927-Australia-Parliament-House-Florin-Choice-Unc-almost-GEM-/131904568361?hash=item1eb61ffc29:g:kd4AAOSwMsVXjglK
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 11, 2016, 10:58:59 AM
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='94165' dateline='1470876175'Is that bid yours Jim?,10-15 years ago this was a $50(if that) coin,i never bothered with them but they have sure taken off,$ wise, in the better grades now,i guess slabbing has a lot to do with that.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1927-Australia-Parliament-House-Florin-Choice-Unc-almost-GEM-/131904568361?hash=item1eb61ffc29:g:kd4AAOSwMsVXjglK

No Mate, From the sellers images it looks to me  to be a nicely toned AU58 coin, Too much wear to be MS But still  an attractive looking coin :ok:
Even 3-4 years ago you could pick up uncirculated Canberra's for less than $50 but many of them were cleaned or dipped and that is still the case with many of the Unc raw coins on offer today.
I did manage to pick up 2 nice Raw coins last year that went MS65 But these are getting super scarce to find now.
Yes with the widened acceptance of TPG graded coins the values have risen somewhat and the sellers of the coins that "They Think" are high grade and faultless are pricing them the same as the graded coins.
I would tend to think that these days that the Raw Choice and Gem Unc coins being offered by the dealers now have to be "suspect" otherwise they would have been sent away to be graded by now IF they were as good as they spruik them up to be :dodgy:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Cockatoo Coins on August 11, 2016, 01:03:31 PM
Yeah I ended up with the Fenton 66 Canberra, its OK for the price but will probably buy another yet as the obverse although lustrous ect just not quite right eye appeal wise for my collection. Just need a toned god of the proof 27 now and I'll be happy :)
Wait who am i kidding, there will always be more
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 11, 2016, 01:49:39 PM
Quote from: 'Cockatoo Coins' pid='94183' dateline='1470886411'Yeah I ended up with the Fenton 66 Canberra, its OK for the price but will probably buy another yet as the obverse although lustrous ect just not quite right eye appeal wise for my collection. Just need a toned god of the proof 27 now and I'll be happy :)
Wait who am i kidding, there will always be more

:welcome:
To the Forum.
Can you post a decent image of the Fenton coin as the PCGS and auction images are pretty Crappy :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Cockatoo Coins on August 11, 2016, 02:20:43 PM
See how they go, not the best photos but its what it looks like in hand
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11510/reverse.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11510/Obverse2.jpg)

Will be sending it to PCGS for True View images in my next batch
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: nealeffendi on August 11, 2016, 04:25:13 PM
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='94165' dateline='1470876175'Is that bid yours Jim?,10-15 years ago this was a $50(if that) coin,i never bothered with them but they have sure taken off,$ wise, in the better grades now,i guess slabbing has a lot to do with that.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1927-Australia-Parliament-House-Florin-Choice-Unc-almost-GEM-/131904568361?hash=item1eb61ffc29:g:kd4AAOSwMsVXjglK

It's my bid. I'm taking a punt that the coin will not be AU58 but will make MS64. Only thing that might keep it out of MS is a hint of shine on the maces and scroll ends when everything else is nicely toned.
Although these days there are Canberras already in MS64 slabs that sell for under $180 so it isn't really a wise financial move (but I love toned coins).
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on August 11, 2016, 04:56:29 PM
gawd
i am starting to feel as if I am in a confessional booth here today!!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on August 11, 2016, 05:31:02 PM
Repent your sins RG :mocking:

Lovely coin CC :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 11, 2016, 06:13:53 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='94212' dateline='1470900389'gawd
i am starting to feel as if I am in a confessional booth here today!!

Maybe because there is something akin to religious awe when we start talking MS66 Canberra Florins Mate :angel::)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on August 11, 2016, 07:05:32 PM
true

they are divine matey
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 11, 2016, 07:31:55 PM
QuoteSee how they go, not the best photos but its what it looks like in hand

Nice images and 100% better than the others that were previously available :good:
What's with the top of the Kings ear, Is that a result of the photo or is it actually on the coin??
Because from your image it looks like he has taken quite a hit in that area, I hope it is the image and not the coin.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Cockatoo Coins on August 11, 2016, 08:04:44 PM
Just the photo, only the lightest of contact marks in the fields and that's it. Reverse is pristine,  very light overall golden brown toning just the way I like it. Still light enough to have full lustre but just enough to make it attractive.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 11, 2016, 08:10:28 PM
Quote from: 'Cockatoo Coins' pid='94241' dateline='1470911684'Just the photo, only the lightest of contact marks in the fields and that's it. Reverse is pristine,  very light overall golden brown toning just the way I like it. Still light enough to have full lustre but just enough to make it attractive.

Nice :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on August 11, 2016, 09:30:58 PM
Quote from: 'Cockatoo Coins' pid='94241' dateline='1470911684'Just the photo, only the lightest of contact marks in the fields and that's it. Reverse is pristine,  very light overall golden brown toning just the way I like it. Still light enough to have full lustre but just enough to make it attractive.


will you get the coin reholdered to have the 'true view' photos taken?
if so would your risk the existing grade? i.e. they regrade the coin

and welcome to the forum where we all learn such a lot from each other  !! :welcome:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Cockatoo Coins on August 11, 2016, 10:20:07 PM
Reholder won't affect or risk the grade as it doesn't go in the grading rooms at all, just cracked, photographed and put in a new holder
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 11, 2016, 10:26:42 PM
Quote from: 'Cockatoo Coins' pid='94257' dateline='1470919807'Reholder won't affect or risk the grade as it doesn't go in the grading rooms at all, just cracked, photographed and put in a new holder

If you hurry up and send it in now you should get it back just before Christmas :angel::laugh2:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on August 11, 2016, 10:51:57 PM
Quote from: 'Cockatoo Coins' pid='94257' dateline='1470919807'Reholder won't affect or risk the grade as it doesn't go in the grading rooms at all, just cracked, photographed and put in a new holder


thanks for that
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 12, 2016, 10:13:28 AM
QuoteAlthough these days there are Canberras already in MS64 slabs that sell for under $180

Yes there are But as with all the higher graded Canberra's there is quite a difference in the eye appeal, Strike and quality of the toning within the same grades.

Here are 3 different MS64 coins that will show this.
They range from pretty ordinary, Nice to very nice :ok:

Ordinary
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ugly~0.jpg)

Nice
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/ms64~2.jpg)

Very Nice
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/MS64_eric~0.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on August 12, 2016, 10:40:25 AM
Niccce, yes pcgs aren't infallible that's for sure.

I probably like the bottom one the best :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 13, 2016, 08:29:30 AM
QuoteNiccce, yes pcgs aren't infallible that's for sure.

PCGS did get it right with these 3 coins, They are all MS64's technically.
That last coin would be a MS65 if it wasn't for that "hit" in front of the Kings Chin which cost it a grade point, I am considering sending that one back to see if they will give it the "+" that it deserves :ok:
All I am saying is that within a given grade there are subtle differences that make some coins more visually appealing than others :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on August 13, 2016, 10:01:46 AM
Just send it to me as I don't mind if it doesn't have a + on it :blush2:
I could go for a run over to see old mate in lismore and get some "slabs" and re slab it for you :angel: :mocking:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 16, 2016, 11:38:19 AM
I have noticed something a little peculiar with the values of Canberra Florins over the last few months.
The High grade coins MS64 and up seem to be getting cheaper and yet the  lower grade coins from MS63 down seem to be getting dearer.
Even the raw coins on offer seem to be getting more expensive.
Maybe collectors are being a little more frugal and are settling for these lesser graded coins for their collections and this has created an increased demand for them.
To me it looks like the market for pretty much all Australian coins has gone through a period of downward adjustment over the last few months But these Mid range to lower grade Canberra's seem to be bucking that trend.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Cockatoo Coins on August 16, 2016, 12:44:25 PM
I have noticed the same, I have a fettish for all things 1927, aiming to own the finest set of 1927 coins I can find not just grade but eye appeal aswell. The Canberra florins I used to pick up graded in MS63 for $50 quite often and nice raw UNC never really set me back more than $80 at auction. Now I'm struggling to find anything half decent in the market at all
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 16, 2016, 12:59:27 PM
It has probably been about a year since I have seen any decent Raw Canberra's for sale/auction, lots of "wannabe's" out there though.
With the amount of these coins already graded I have doubts that the top end of the population will change that much even with the dwindling supply of older collections yet to be graded taken into account.
Even if the number of coins in the top end of the scale doubled there would still only be a very small number of coins available for collectors Worldwide and these coins would have to be one of the most popular if not THE most popular Australian coin.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: markn on August 18, 2016, 01:46:04 PM
As requested here's my PCGS MS66 Canberra Florin.  It's prettier than I remember.

(http://www.mycoinalog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/australia-1927-2s-parliament-pcgs-ms66.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on August 18, 2016, 01:48:46 PM
Very Nice :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Nevol on August 18, 2016, 02:14:32 PM
Sweet. :drooling: :drooling:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: autocoupler on August 18, 2016, 06:09:09 PM
Niiiiiice. They sure don't absolutely need all the steps to be tops!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on August 18, 2016, 08:56:24 PM
Yes very nice Mark.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on August 18, 2016, 09:03:43 PM
is that seriously a die crack at the base of the King's effigy????????????

nice coin too
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on September 03, 2016, 12:10:55 AM
This is the first counterfeit Canberra that I have seen on eBay
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1927-Commemorative-Australian-Florin-coin-/191959570253?hash=item2cb1ae974d:g:qh8AAOSwMgdXyBb4

Reported :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: nealeffendi on September 03, 2016, 01:27:21 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='96712' dateline='1472827255'This is the first counterfeit Canberra that I have seen on eBay
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1927-Commemorative-Australian-Florin-coin-/191959570253?hash=item2cb1ae974d:g:qh8AAOSwMgdXyBb4

Reported :good:

At least the seller is honest about them being copies. But why would anyone buy them as in the grade the fake is you could buy a real one for bullion value and get 3 real ones for the price of a fake.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on September 03, 2016, 08:57:18 AM
i think the other coins listed are a bit of a worry !!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on September 03, 2016, 09:53:56 AM
ANY counterfeit without "COPY" stamped on it is a potential hazard to collectors :ok:
Where do you think all those fake 1925 1930 1d and 1923 1/2d and centenary florins that plague the market came from in the first place :dash1:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Noelos237 on September 04, 2016, 01:03:13 PM
(http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o598/noelosdub/1927%20Canberra%20Florin_zpso05n9peq.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on September 04, 2016, 08:31:18 PM
That pic looks ok Noel :good: trout is the canberra florin man, loves them..and that's an understatement :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on September 04, 2016, 10:15:59 PM
A nice honest looking coin Noelos :good:
Even when circulated these coins are still a joy to look at, Nice image as well Mate :)

Quote from: 'nealeffendi' pid='94210' dateline='1470898513'
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='94165' dateline='1470876175'Is that bid yours Jim?,10-15 years ago this was a $50(if that) coin,i never bothered with them but they have sure taken off,$ wise, in the better grades now,i guess slabbing has a lot to do with that.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1927-Australia-Parliament-House-Florin-Choice-Unc-almost-GEM-/131904568361?hash=item1eb61ffc29:g:kd4AAOSwMsVXjglK

It's my bid. I'm taking a punt that the coin will not be AU58 but will make MS64. Only thing that might keep it out of MS is a hint of shine on the maces and scroll ends when everything else is nicely toned.
Although these days there are Canberras already in MS64 slabs that sell for under $180 so it isn't really a wise financial move (but I love toned coins).

Did you end up with this coin Neal ??
If so what does it look like "In Hand" Mate.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: nealeffendi on September 05, 2016, 07:52:08 AM
Yes, I got it and it was worth taking a punt on. Has one small ding in the field but is otherwise a choice Unc and compares to my other MS64 coins in strike but has a more mirror like reverse surface (which is something I've found previously on other florins from that particular reverse die).
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on September 05, 2016, 08:46:56 AM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='96975' dateline='1472986878'That pic looks ok Noel :good: trout is the canberra florin man, loves them..and that's an understatement :)

Yeah Noel,showing wear on the Mace,most of mine are the same,its a Coin i never worried about but since this Thread started i've taken a new interest in them.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on September 05, 2016, 09:46:33 AM
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='97032' dateline='1473031016'
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='96975' dateline='1472986878'That pic looks ok Noel :good: trout is the canberra florin man, loves them..and that's an understatement :)

Yeah Noel,showing wear on the Mace,most of mine are the same,its a Coin i never worried about but since this Thread started i've taken a new interest in them.

I would think that between all the different members here we would own a big percentage of all the high end Canberra Florins between us :good::)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: marksy on September 08, 2016, 04:31:01 PM
My Nan gave me one of these on the weekend, I think it's a beaut of a coin. She also gave me a 1937 Crown in pretty good nick.

Just wondering if anyone could help me out. What's the best way to store/preserve these types of coins?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on September 08, 2016, 04:39:28 PM
:welcome: marksy, either put them in a 2x2 or a saflip.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: marksy on September 08, 2016, 07:10:45 PM
Thanks for the welcome and tips ausjack, I'll have a look around.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on September 08, 2016, 07:15:40 PM
Just avoid anything PVC as it will destroy your coins.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on September 08, 2016, 09:31:11 PM
Quote from: 'marksy' pid='97338' dateline='1473318061'My Nan gave me one of these on the weekend, I think it's a beaut of a coin. She also gave me a 1937 Crown in pretty good nick.

Just wondering if anyone could help me out. What's the best way to store/preserve these types of coins?

what did Nan have them in?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on September 08, 2016, 09:34:12 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='97375' dateline='1473336071'what did Nan have them in?

She would have had them in a drawer along with her unmentionables.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on September 08, 2016, 09:39:50 PM
probably the best and safest place for coins

no worry about awful coin holders ruining the coins
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on September 09, 2016, 05:36:46 AM
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='97376' dateline='1473336252'
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='97375' dateline='1473336071'what did Nan have them in?

She would have had them in a drawer along with her unmentionables.

Ah the famous Nanna's Knickers draw storage facility has been the "Keeper" of many a nice Canberra florin.
I bought one a while back that I named "Lorna" because that was the name of the woman that the bit of paper that the coin was wrapped in had on it.
This was also found in her knickers draw after she had passed on unfortunately.
I still have that scrap of paper that the coin was wrapped in for so many decades and this coin graded MS65.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: marksy on September 09, 2016, 09:46:24 AM
Haha, she said she kept them in alfoil as she didn't know how to store them (pre-google, pre-this forum).
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on September 09, 2016, 10:00:24 AM
:shock: foil, gee lucky there wasn't some sort of reaction between the two metals. Please post a pic if you get a chance marksy :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on September 09, 2016, 10:00:54 AM
ha ha well alfoil keeps the leftovers in the fridge for longer
might just work for coins!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on September 09, 2016, 05:12:46 PM
HeHe
We used to cover penny's in alfoil and rub the design through to make them look like half crowns  :angel:

Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: JeffH on September 09, 2016, 05:18:33 PM
We used to rub pennies and halfpennies with illicitly obtained mercury and pass them off as florins and shillings.
God knows what we may have been doing to our health by rubbing the mercury on with bare fingers! :shok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on September 09, 2016, 05:21:52 PM
QuoteGod knows what we may have been doing to our health by rubbing the mercury on with bare fingers!

Especially when you used them to scoff you ill gotten lollies :) :laugh2:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on September 09, 2016, 10:07:37 PM
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='97479' dateline='1473407313'We used to rub pennies and halfpennies with illicitly obtained mercury and pass them off as florins and shillings.
God knows what we may have been doing to our health by rubbing the mercury on with bare fingers! :shok:

does the mercury make the copper turn silver?
i have pulled plenty of silver looking pennies and halfpennies from lots
am i getting poisoned?

apparently the halfpenny when coloured silver could be passed off at the pub as a shilling - king side up on the bar
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Cougar on October 09, 2016, 10:07:56 PM
Saw this on eBay, an interesting interpretation.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Enamelled-Australia-1927-KGV-One-Florin-Parliament-House-Very-Nice-/272375396580?hash=item3f6ad6b8e4:g:blYAAOSwAPlXhXt3
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on October 09, 2016, 10:16:29 PM
Enamelling coins used to be quite popular and this one has been done rather well.
I just wish that they would use low grade coins for this instead of using coins like this one that would have been a nice example before being enamelled :dash1:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on October 10, 2016, 08:57:35 AM
I'll throw this up while things are quiet,a bit puzzled with this grade,NGC MS65,seems to have normal bruising on Crown part of Mace,Bin/Bag marks on Obverse.What am i missing or are PCGS tougher graders?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/232101636259?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/Ebay_27_reverse.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/27_ebay.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on October 10, 2016, 09:18:42 AM
The coin looks MS65 to me, I have seen PCGS MS66 coins with similar bruising .
Apart from some tiny nicks on the fields of both the obverse and reverse the fields look to be nice and clear, To make MS65 the lustre would have to be rather good.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on October 10, 2016, 10:22:44 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='99697' dateline='1476053322'The coin looks MS65 to me, I have seen PCGS MS66 coins with similar bruising .

OK,i've long given up trying to grade Coins but i have a feeling a few old Coin Dealers would be turning in the grave with the current system.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on October 10, 2016, 10:27:20 AM
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='99704' dateline='1476057164'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='99697' dateline='1476053322'The coin looks MS65 to me, I have seen PCGS MS66 coins with similar bruising .

OK,i've long given up trying to grade Coins but i have a feeling a few old Coin Dealers would be turning in the grave with the current system.

I imagine they would be, Because now selling cleaned and overgraded coins has become too difficult because of the acceptance of TPG graded coins and that they have to now compete with accurately graded coins instead of being able to just put a BS grade on a coin and sell it:good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on October 10, 2016, 10:45:44 AM
There were many genuine honest Dealers out there when i was growing up but most were 80% Stamps with Coins as a sideline.Just a jungle now with the fakes and plastic boxed Coin grades being taken as gospel.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on October 10, 2016, 10:51:56 AM
I personally don't take the grades on the slabs as "Gospel" I always have a good look at the coin and try to make my own assessment of the coin.
That being said TPG's DO make mistakes But not at the same rate that dealers do with Raw coins.
For myself personally I would take a grade given by NGC/PCGS far more favourably than a grade a coin is given by a dealer :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Goldseeker on October 10, 2016, 08:38:12 PM
When these type of coins are graded, is the browning/toning of the coin come into play or not.

I can see that it is a nicely minted coin but that browning toning would turn me off.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on October 10, 2016, 09:15:16 PM
I'm not certain with the USA Pro. Graders but the early Oz. ones in the 1990's took all that into account.Black spots,bag/bin/reeding etc. all affected the final grade. I try to stay away from offering opinions on Grades but i've seen a few Slabs on Ebay recently that are puzzling,to me at least.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on October 10, 2016, 09:42:34 PM
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='99742' dateline='1476094092'When these type of coins are graded, is the browning/toning of the coin come into play or not.

I can see that it is a nicely minted coin but that browning toning would turn me off.

This is probably why MS67 is the highest grade that has been achieved so far for the Canberra Florins.
As far as the toning goes , These Stirling Silver coins are now nearly 90 years old and unless the coin has been stored in a perfect vacuum they will tone to some extent over the years.
Some collectors don't like toned coins and some do, I happen to be in the "Like it" camp :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on October 11, 2016, 09:52:14 AM
I liked naturally toned pre-decimal Coins,bit of dirt/muck also adds character IMO,alarm bells ring if a Coin isn't toned esp. Silver.The problem with old Silver is some toning looks like a dogs breakfast and must affect collectability and value,other natural Silver toning looks stunning after decades in storeage and must increase its grading score.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Unicorn on October 11, 2016, 10:29:02 AM
Gee I wish I still had my 1927 that I bought off IS Wright in 1988. It was described in the auction as FDC and was blast white. Positively beautiful, unfortunately events in 1992 resulted in it going to a Sydney dealer at a loss (to me) at the time (along with my beautiful 34/35 and unc C & R $20). Ahhh the memories.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on October 12, 2016, 09:13:31 AM
Up until recently i never had a top shelf 1927 Canberra,and i've got a bagfull of them,its just a Coin i never worried about,but i also offloaded some Coins to Sydney Dealers in the 1990's and have regretted it ever since.They buy at about half,or less,of a coins value and sell at a premium but it was the only option in those days if chasing quick money.
Over the years i always seemed to get better deals of the Stamp specialists that had Coins as a sideline but Ebay,for all its faults and scams,has certainly provided a great platform for hobby collectors to buy & sell.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on October 12, 2016, 09:20:55 AM
Two of my MS65 Canberras were bought from eBay Raw, but they are few and far between amid the "wannabe" overgraded offerings on the bay :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Triggersmob on October 12, 2016, 07:25:24 PM
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='99844' dateline='1476225811'Up until recently i never had a top shelf 1927 Canberra,

Me neither. Thanks Trout. :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on October 13, 2016, 01:58:05 AM
Quote from: 'Triggersmob' pid='99865' dateline='1476262524'
Quote from: 'Basil' pid='99844' dateline='1476225811'Up until recently i never had a top shelf 1927 Canberra,

Me neither. Thanks Trout. :)

My Pleasure Mate :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on November 30, 2016, 09:50:49 AM
Another of my Brothers Coins that we have been having a good look at,in hand it seems different to the normal 27's and we were wondering if its one of the Special Strike 'Proofs',it has a matt finish Obverse but seemingly normal Reverse ,the Die Polish lines seem to be in the correct place as is the extra detail in the strike such as the Kings eye.
May just be an early mint eg. but opinions appreciated.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/1927_Proof_Florin00001resize_2.jpg)
   (http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/1927_Proof_Florin00002resize_2.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/27_proof.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10136/27_proof6.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on November 30, 2016, 10:19:50 AM
I would love this to be an impaired proof for you Basil But I don't think it is Mate.
One of these has been on my bucket list for years and I had had my hopes up on a few occasions But I am yet to find one.
The best i have been able to get is a "Proof Like" specimen.
Walter has one and he put up some images a few years ago and yours looks different to Walters coin, I think he put it in a grading post and I called it as an AU58 coin and totally missed that it was a Proof strike :dash1:
I have also been told that once you see a Proof Canberra "In Hand" you will just "Know" what to look for :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: echidna on November 30, 2016, 11:41:34 AM
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/28748424_max_zpsrfwbfbcv.jpg)

This mark above the A seems to be on all the proofs.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on November 30, 2016, 01:34:50 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='102103' dateline='1480463390'I would love this to be an impaired proof for you Basil But I don't think it is Mate.

Yeah,just pondering,there is something different about the Coin,probably an early strike with all the steps.
Thanks Echinda,i'll look for that Á in the future.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: autocoupler on November 30, 2016, 07:24:35 PM
Excellent info echidna :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on November 30, 2016, 08:32:20 PM
Quote from: 'autocoupler' pid='102116' dateline='1480496075'Excellent info echidna :good:

:agreed:
I didn't know that either, Thanks mate :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Triggersmob on December 03, 2016, 09:36:06 PM
I picked this one up at Pickers & Collectors Bazaar today.
Anyone care to grade it for me and estimate a value.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10113/1927_Reverse.JPG)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10113/1927_Reverse_-_Zoom.JPG)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10113/1927_Obverse.JPG)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10113/1927_Obverse_-_Zoom.JPG)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on December 03, 2016, 09:39:07 PM
it's a bit glarey but Good Very/fine
looks about that to me
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on December 03, 2016, 09:40:57 PM
VF Polished worth pretty much melt value, Sorry mate :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Triggersmob on December 03, 2016, 10:01:11 PM
Don't be sorry mate, it only cost me $5, so it was worth grabbing.
Melt is about $7 I think. I grabbed 3 of them.  
How do you tell it's been polished.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on December 03, 2016, 10:03:23 PM
cause its'so glarey/shiney and then the high points are really worn
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Triggersmob on December 03, 2016, 10:10:14 PM
OK.
What about these 2.
just some quick pics this time.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10113/1927_-3.JPG)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10113/1927_-2.JPG)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on December 04, 2016, 02:10:49 AM
I bought a Kilo of these at melt price early in the year when silver was at about $15.50-$16 I think, They are all polished and look fantastic from a distance :)
Strangely enough many Canberra florins ( and the 51 54 florins) have been hoarded as bullion and have been treated as such, Putting silver coins through a Shell tumbler to clean them up to make them "Presentable" is not that uncommon :cray:
The coins that I got in the kilo lot are all ruined numismaticaly But they are a far more attractive option than a bunch of booring Silver bars anyday :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Triggersmob on December 04, 2016, 09:35:10 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='102266' dateline='1480779649'But they are a far more attractive option than a bunch of booring Silver bars anyday :)

:agreed:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: p.gee on December 17, 2016, 12:07:25 PM
Like many others in this thread this is one of my favorite coins. We have collected a few of these so far and this is my favorite. Maybe not the best grade, no steps and a scratch under the king. I had to take the picture on an angle to try and catch some of the colour.
   (http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11534/1927_canberra_re_28129.jpg)
   (http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11534/1927_canberra_ob_28129.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Basil on December 17, 2016, 12:24:07 PM
Nice,its amazing to see the toning variations on these Coins,varies from a Dogs Breakfast to stunning.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: keldaw on December 17, 2016, 08:49:13 PM
Quote from: 'Triggersmob' pid='102258' dateline='1480764671'Don't be sorry mate, it only cost me $5, so it was worth grabbing.
Melt is about $7 I think. I grabbed 3 of them.  
How do you tell it's been polished.


 I need 2 Steve and I will offer you $ 10.00 ea for them if you have any left over .
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on December 17, 2016, 09:47:10 PM
QuoteI need 2 Steve and I will offer you $ 10.00 ea for them if you have any left over .
If you are prepared to spend an extra $5-$10 an each coin  you should Still with a little patience find a couple of decent examples on eBay in EF-AU condition Kel :good:

QuoteI had to take the picture on an angle to try and catch some of the colour.
Your coin does look rather nice :)
Imaging the toning on coins is very difficult, Markn is very skilled at this from the images of His that I have seen :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Triggersmob on December 17, 2016, 09:51:22 PM
Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='102886' dateline='1481969953'
Quote from: 'Triggersmob' pid='102258' dateline='1480764671'Don't be sorry mate, it only cost me $5, so it was worth grabbing.
Melt is about $7 I think. I grabbed 3 of them.  
How do you tell it's been polished.

 I need 2 Steve and I will offer you $ 10.00 ea for them if you have any left over .

Sorry Kel I have traded them off already.
They will be heading to the U.S.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on December 18, 2016, 03:42:18 AM
Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='102886' dateline='1481969953'
Quote from: 'Triggersmob' pid='102258' dateline='1480764671'Don't be sorry mate, it only cost me $5, so it was worth grabbing.
Melt is about $7 I think. I grabbed 3 of them.  
How do you tell it's been polished.


 I need 2 Steve and I will offer you $ 10.00 ea for them if you have any left over .

Is there any particular reason why you need two Canberra Florins Mate ??
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: keldaw on December 18, 2016, 08:43:46 AM
If you are prepared to spend an extra $5-$10 an each coin  you should Still with a little patience find a couple of decent examples on eBay in EF-AU condition Kel :good:

quote ;;;
   thanks Jim , I don't go to EBay much these days , I cant keep up with the pace , but if you see a couple of them around please grab them for me , I will cover all cost , or let me know the item number please .   ,, kel ,,
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on December 18, 2016, 12:03:21 PM
Quotethanks Jim , I don't go to EBay much these days , I cant keep up with the pace , but if you see a couple of them around please grab them for me , I will cover all cost , or let me know the item number please . ,, kel ,,

I wish you had mentioned this a bit earlier Mate :dash1:
Not to worry, As I am assuming that these are for your kids/Grandkids  I will send you a couple of circulated Canberras in the post tomorrow Mate :ok::)
I think that I may have a couple of spares around here somewhere :angel:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: keldaw on December 18, 2016, 01:57:48 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='102893' dateline='1481994738'
Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='102886' dateline='1481969953'
Quote from: 'Triggersmob' pid='102258' dateline='1480764671'Don't be sorry mate, it only cost me $5, so it was worth grabbing.
Melt is about $7 I think. I grabbed 3 of them.  
How do you tell it's been polished.


 I need 2 Steve and I will offer you $ 10.00 ea for them if you have any left over .

Is there any particular reason why you need two Canberra Florins Mate ??
not for my grand kids Jim , they are not interested anymore , but yes for my kids when I go , and  as you said before , enjoy what you have and collect now , don't worry about the value of them later on , who cares what happens to them when I go , just enjoy them now .
I have just decided to follow my path now and enjoy what I have while I am still here ....
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on January 04, 2017, 11:07:42 AM
I tried to get a couple of shots of My Proof Like Canberra But I am finding it tough to get a good image without the glare from the lights :dash1:
I have also added a couple of shots of the die polishing lines.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/pl_canberra.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/pl_canberra1.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/pl_canberra2.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/pl_canberra3.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: autocoupler on January 04, 2017, 12:05:49 PM
Nice!!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on January 04, 2017, 12:41:22 PM
I'm still a bit Dirty on PCGS for not giving this coin a "PL" designation when I sent it back for "Reconsideration".
They have it as "Proof Like" as a Pedigree so I really can't see the drama giving it a PL designation when I sent it back :dash1:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: echidna on January 04, 2017, 01:50:26 PM
Proof-like Canberras are quite different to the regular circulation strikes  .
Some appear to be proofs but die polish is different.
I think a seperate catagory in Maccas & Renniks (and PCGS) would be right.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: p.gee on January 04, 2017, 02:23:55 PM
Please excuse a bigginer but what makes a coin proof like as opposed to proof and how does this  effect the value.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on January 04, 2017, 02:48:50 PM
Quote from: 'p.gee' pid='103437' dateline='1483502035'Please excuse a bigginer but what makes a coin proof like as opposed to proof and how does this  effect the value.

That makes two of us.

Google:

"A prooflike coin is a highly POLISHED (by the MINT) regular strike coin. A prooflike coin appears to have a near proof coin reflection. Prooflike coins usually occur in the earliest strikes. Prooflike coins are the most common in intentionally produced PL sets, such as Canada."

And this:

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=71858
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: echidna on January 04, 2017, 03:12:29 PM
Quote from: 'r9453' pid='103438' dateline='1483503530'
Quote from: 'p.gee' pid='103437' dateline='1483502035'Please excuse a bigginer but what makes a coin proof like as opposed to proof and how does this  effect the value.

That makes two of us.

Google:

"A prooflike coin is a highly POLISHED (by the MINT) regular strike coin. A prooflike coin appears to have a near proof coin reflection. Prooflike coins usually occur in the earliest strikes. Prooflike coins are the most common in intentionally produced PL sets, such as Canada."

And this:

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=71858

Proof-like Canberras have mirror fields OR have been struck from re-used proof dies.
The ones with mirror fields were possibly struck on polished proof planchets.
Unlike Canadian PL coins they were struck for circulation.

They are sometimes graded as proofs so a seperate catagory would be appropriate to avoid this.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on January 04, 2017, 03:19:21 PM
My understanding of Proof Like or PL coins is that the coin exhibits proof like qualities eg smooth mirror like fields and a strong overall strike But the coin is Not considered to be struck with proof dies in the same manner that proof coins are ( struck more than once and at higher pressures to a business strike) and not on specially prepared planchets.

The explanation that I got as to how my particular PL coin came about is that a surplus  Proof planchet was used on a normal press to produce it.
I am unaware of any other PL Canberra's But I imagine that there are some others because I vaguely remember Walter commenting that my particular PL coin was one of the best that he had seen, Maybe Walter can enlighten us about these unusual Canberra Florins.
I do remember bidding on a coin that looked to be prooflike on Numisbid a while back but I missed out on that particular coin and one of our members here secured the coin instead.

I won my particular coin on Numisbid a year or so ago But at one stage I was devastated that I was unable to bid "Live" due to work commitments and was outbid by another collector.
It turned out that the winning bidder hit the wrong bidding button on the night and the bid was cancelled and my "Proxy" bid Won the Day for me :yahoo:
Even alongside MS65 and my MS66 Canberra's the difference between the MS coins and the PL coin is clearly evident and that $750 I spent on my coin was clearly well spent :good:

See, Behind every coin there IS a story to be told :)

If anyone else has a PL Canberra I would love to see  images of them here on this thread.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: echidna on January 04, 2017, 04:00:29 PM
If anyone else has a PL Canberra I would love to see  images of them here on this thread.
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(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/1927florin_eee%204_zpsitzzzjoo.jpg)


Probably a proof planchet.
Deep mirror surfaces and cameo appearance.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on January 04, 2017, 04:37:15 PM
Nice :drooling:
Where is the reverse :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: echidna on January 04, 2017, 05:01:02 PM
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/1927florin_e%206_zpscvxq1mce.jpg)
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/1927florin_eee%205_zpsxepp4xvr.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on January 04, 2017, 05:14:19 PM
The die polish marks on both of our coins are not the exactly the same but are in the roughly the same areas on the coin.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: interest on February 03, 2017, 10:45:04 PM
When you have a really nice clean coin. :ireful:
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/interest88/Image1-264_zpsgdnswmt3.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: autocoupler on February 04, 2017, 01:04:51 PM
What's You talkin about "Lewis"? I see some minor toning/staining, maybe a little ding at 3 O'clock, maybe some slight wear on the maces, a few marks in the fields, but some alright steps though?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: echidna on February 10, 2017, 06:11:45 PM
(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/27cc_zpsos9zp2fm.jpg)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/27c_zpszmtugvcb.jpg)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/27cccc_zpsncvomi96.jpg)

(http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc462/joseywales10/27ccc_zpstbppd3bd.jpg)

Another circulation strike from the proof dies.
Pics are sellers and it looks a bit ratty.
Should be better in the hand.

My guess is that they did a reasonable run before the reverse die cracked.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausproofs on February 10, 2017, 07:14:09 PM
Super nice !
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: LooseChange on February 10, 2017, 10:37:10 PM
Were these coins struck in 1927 and plated in 2017?

http://www.downies.com/australian-currency/Australian-Predecimal-Coins/1927-Gold-Plated-Canberra-Florin/7888/productview.aspx

Quote from:  Downies Description:

Taking Australia's most beautiful coin to a new level, there's only one way you could improve the 1927 Canberra Florin – enhance it with genuine 24-carat gold! A fine acquisition as we mark the 90th anniversary of Old Parliament House, Australia's first commemorative coin looks sensational finished in the world's favourite precious metal.

    Australia's very first commemorative coin
    Struck from sterling silver - finished in genuine, glistening 24-carat gold!
    Carrying the noble portrait of King George V, each coin is set in a stylish pack
    Absolutely outstanding value-for-money at an affordable $49.95
    A special release to mark the 90th anniversary of Old Parliament House in Canberra  

(http://www.downies.com/uploadimage/product/15972pack.jpg)
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Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: nealeffendi on February 11, 2017, 01:56:25 AM
:icon_cry: Frankly there needs to be an emoticon spewing green vomit for when I see plated coins, especially when they are at 700% of their bullion value that they peddle as "value for money" and are not even MS grannybait. Frankly they are false advertising as that blue image has perfect steps and full maces.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: r9453 on February 11, 2017, 06:22:57 AM
So, can anyone do this or do Downies have special permission?
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: JeffH on February 11, 2017, 07:11:52 AM
Why did they think such an iconic coin needed "improving"?

Suggests a degree of opportunism to come up with another way to improve their sales.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: ausjack on February 11, 2017, 09:56:55 AM
Gee I should dip my old crappy one's and jump on the band wagon :mocking: Yeah as if I would, I like mine just the way they are :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on February 11, 2017, 09:31:11 PM
Don't Laugh But I actually bought a Gold plated Canberra a few years ago as a "Curiosity",
I think I paid $30-$40 for it probably because there was more than one idiot (Me) bidding on it at the time :angel:
The "Host" coin however wasn't one of these worn out coins imaged in the Downies  ad It looks to have been an EF-AU coin before it was Bastardised.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: p.gee on May 12, 2017, 02:22:25 PM
I've been photographing and cataloging some coins and noticed some serious die cracks in this one. From the top of the "I" in GEORGIVS to the "MP" in IMP. Not sure  how well they all show up, still need some practice with the photography. I'm guessing this die was on its last legs.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11534/can_200k~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/11534/can_200k_2.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on May 12, 2017, 02:38:15 PM
QuoteI've been photographing and cataloging some coins and noticed some serious die cracks in this one. From the top of the "I" in GEORGIVS to the "MP" in IMP. Not sure how well they all show up, still need some practice with the photography. I'm guessing this die was on its last legs.

Die cracks on the obverse of these coins is quite a common occurrence.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on June 06, 2017, 09:11:56 PM
Good Grief :dash1:
http://www.downies.com/world-coins-and-banknotes/niuean-coins/2017-10-dollar-Canberra-Florin-5oz-Silver-Proof/8158/productview.aspx?utm_source=Downies+Online+Email+Newsletters&utm_campaign=5447b44882-Dow_Canberra_Florin_Target_2017_06_05_D-17-0611&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_cb58a32640-5447b44882-29513797
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: Unicorn on June 06, 2017, 10:02:17 PM
Geez, you'd better hurry Trout!!!! Only a mere 500 of them!!!! :laugh2:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on June 06, 2017, 11:14:33 PM
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='109216' dateline='1496752337'Geez, you'd better hurry Trout!!!! Only a mere 500 of them!!!! :laugh2:

As much as I Love that design the Tuvalu on the obverse just isn't right :(
There are 2 million genuine Canberra's out there that hold far more appeal than that horror and they can be had for a lot less than $525 + postage :good:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: matttheriley on June 07, 2017, 12:51:53 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='109221' dateline='1496756673'
Quote from: 'Unicorn' pid='109216' dateline='1496752337'Geez, you'd better hurry Trout!!!! Only a mere 500 of them!!!! :laugh2:

As much as I Love that design the Tuvalu on the obverse just isn't right :(
There are 2 million genuine Canberra's out there that hold far more appeal than that horror and they can be had for a lot less than $525 + postage :good:

Save your pennies!  http://www.downies.com/australian-currency/Australian-Predecimal-Coins/Australia-1927-Canberra-Florin-Silver-Proof-Coin-FDC/6433/productview.aspx
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: robbiegal on June 07, 2017, 09:41:33 AM
just saw that one myself Matt
and was going to post the link as well!
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on June 07, 2017, 11:50:37 AM
I would imagine that most of us would Love to have a Proof Canberra in our collections But there is only a tiny minority of collectors with that sort of disposable income available
A very nice coin But $29,500.00 is a small fortune to most of us myself included So it is a case of Look but don't Touch for this little black duck I am afraid :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: duggee27 on June 07, 2017, 05:50:43 PM
i dooo prefer the proof
something of that value should be slabbed .. yes/no
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: JeffH on June 07, 2017, 05:54:47 PM
Hypothetical question.
If I ever acquired one (extremely unlikely) then I would consider the options. I am thinking, regardless of packaging, a safe deposit box -but then you just can't grab it and admire it anytime you feel like doing so.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on June 07, 2017, 06:03:57 PM
Quote from: 'JeffH' pid='109233' dateline='1496823887'Hypothetical question.
If I ever acquired one (extremely unlikely) then I would consider the options. I am thinking, regardless of packaging, a safe deposit box -but then you just can't grab it and admire it anytime you feel like doing so.

If it was graded and encapsulated by either PCGS or NGC it would be safe from damage.
If I had to use a safety deposit box to keep my coins safe I would Never have started collecting, It would Spoil the experience :ok:
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: JeffH on June 07, 2017, 06:13:23 PM
I agree -we collect, we don't invest. If we happen to make a modest profit a long way down the track that is nice but not an expectation.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: interest on June 29, 2017, 10:51:13 PM
I picked up this today, it seems to be an old die or a weak strike, there is only one & a bit flag poles one partial step yet the two mace's  have just a little wear & the date not too bad. Plus a hair on the scanner.
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb22/interest88/Image1-277_zpsflsxetm8.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: gnome on July 09, 2017, 01:24:41 PM
Had this one for awhile and finally getting round to doing a pic. Diecracks obverse and reverse with quite a few extra dots on reverse and a couple on the obverse. Only example I have of this one.
(http://i.imgur.com/J4WZzpB.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/ydc2irB.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: interest on July 15, 2017, 11:18:12 PM
Got this today from a mate, I swapped a few one dollar notes for.
I like it better than the notes. Got a few marks & stains but it's not bad.
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10029/1927-2.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10029/1927-1.jpg)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: trout on July 16, 2017, 12:50:23 AM
3 stepper , Nicely struck coin :good:
Way better that a few dollar notes :)
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: p.gee on July 16, 2017, 10:32:21 AM
Better than not bad. A great addition to any collection.
Title: RE: Canberra Florins
Post by: autocoupler on July 16, 2017, 10:39:47 AM
Nicely struck up :good: