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Numismatic Discussion => Coin Chit Chat => Topic started by: Nevol on December 25, 2012, 09:36:14 AM

Title: Coin Photography
Post by: Nevol on December 25, 2012, 09:36:14 AM
QuoteNevol, I'm more interested in your photo setup. The only thing I haven't tried is axial lighting but your full dollar photo's show the coin with just a few hotspots. You also seem to just be using a single light at 12.00 o'clock so I suspect you're not using axial lighting. I'm interested in your lighting setup.
I don't have any particular photo or lighting set up, all I use is my Kaiser Baas scope,  removed it from its little stand, and taken it out of the little cradle, (both useless IMHO), so by appearances, it's totally hand-held.

I've adapted several Tupperware containers (TWC) to be my 'stands' by cutting circles in the bottoms just the right size for the black section of the barrel of the scope to fit in snugly. I found TW to be the best due to the way it sort of 'grips' the barrel of the scope, other plastics just don't do the job.

The TWC are all different heights for different sized coins, so I can get as large an image as possible without too much fiddling around.  I used to try and use external lighting, but it was taking too long, so I now use the built in LED's on full 'power' so to speak, and if there is any reflection at all, I tip the TWC with the scope firmly inserted until the reflection disappears or is barely visible on the rim of the coin.

I still have to steady the scope with my left hand as the TWC are fairly lightweight and the scope makes it a bit top heavy and prone to falling over.   I never take the picture using the button on the scope, it causes movement so I just use the mouse.

I don't get the same quality of image that others achieve, but they've probably spent hundreds of $$$, where I've ruined a few plastic containers. Cheap as chips.

Very low-tech, and it all sound very convoluted, but hey it's what works for me.
I can't use a camera what with shaky hands and very poor eyesight, nothing is ever in focus, and trying to take a photo with my glasses on is just too much hassle.

If you'd like to see images of the TWC I adapted, just ask.   :grin:

Happy to answer any questions you might have. :winkextra:
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: Steveqld on December 25, 2012, 11:18:40 AM
Many thanks, you're doing better than I am.  I think the two things I got out of it is that the TW containers are probably translucent to even the light out a bit and the fact that you're tilting the coin to avoid reflections.

I'm using a digital SLR (40d Canon older version) with the light at 10 and 2 but it's not doing it for me with the more recent coins.

I did intend to try out the circular LED lighting like you get with the microscope with one of these

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310399772518&ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:AU:3160

and using the oyster white diffuser but that's an unknown.

Like your idea with the scope.  I also tossed the stand as useless but adapted a rubber toilet fitting ($2.50) to sit it in (probably explains why my photos are cr***y) and connected that to the copy stand - choose the zoom on the scope then focus with the stand mechanism then click with the mouse.

Santa also ordered me one of these:

http://www.fishpond.com.au/Books/Numismatic-Photography-Mark-Goodman/9781933990040

If nothing else I'm helping the economy (In Hong Kong and the US).  Probably a bit extravagant compared to the quality with your setup but it's an interest.

Thanks again.
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: markn on December 25, 2012, 11:34:19 AM
Our setup http://www.australian-threepence.com/blog/2011/04/how-we-take-our-coin-photos.html works fine in most situations.  I've found it sadly lacking when it comes to modern proofs, modern mirror finish decimals (such as wedding set coins), and high grade aluminium bronze coins.  I suspect most of the fault lays with the tradesman (me) rather than the tools though.
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: Goldseeker on December 25, 2012, 10:50:54 PM
Markn-Link is not working.....
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: Nevol on December 26, 2012, 05:19:00 AM
Quote from: 'Goldseeker' pid='5020' dateline='1356438054'Markn-Link is not working.....
Try this one: http://www.australian-threepence.com/blog/numismatic-photography/2011/04/
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: Australian coin on December 26, 2012, 10:48:31 AM
I have been thinking about how to upgrade my photography,
And will try to do this that I had seen, http://woodgears.ca/macro/index.html
It should be easy to get a lens from somewhere or even use a magnifying glass.
Also started to get a rig up with lighting, so I can take pics any time instead of on sunny days.
The USB gizmo is good for super zoom in but I don’t get good pictures when I want the whole coin in the shot.
So I now have to look at improving my old camera.
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: Robster on December 26, 2012, 11:31:19 AM
Just had a squizz at the macro site suggested here, people always seem to find ways around problems don't they.! I have been carrying a penny around for weeks and simply asking everyone I visit if I can take a photo with whatever camera they own. I also recently bought a second hand Enlarging stand to fix my camera to and am experimenting with various lens and extension tubes.! I think the best results will come when the "Minister for Finance" approves the purchase of a dedicated Macro lens.!! Lets hope we can assist each other to become more proficient in this interesting but at times incredibly frustrating project.!!
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: trout on December 26, 2012, 12:26:01 PM
I recently bought a Fujifilm T200.
10x zoom and 14 magawhatsits.
Takes a nice pic but blurs a bit with my shakey hands (Beer helps aliviate this a bit :good:)
I would imagine a tripod would be the way to go.
The missus gave all our tupperware to the grandmiscreants to play with, so I will have a squizz at the tip shop on my next rubbish run.
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: Triggersmob on December 26, 2012, 02:40:38 PM
This is my basic set up..

First make a base and colour it black. Place a screw in the middle and top with a piece of felt.
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e296/triggersmob/Coins/001-11.jpg)

Place coin on top of screw (felt will stop stratching).
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e296/triggersmob/Coins/003-4.jpg)

Cut down a milk or juice carton and place over the top (try different length cartons to get best focus). Shine light through the side of carton (this will stop glare).
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e296/triggersmob/Coins/004-4.jpg)

I then place a magnifying glass, that I removed from a telescope,
over the top. Place the camera on top of this (this helps to steady it)
and then take pic. I use fully automatic setting on macro.
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e296/triggersmob/Coins/005-3.jpg)

End result...
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e296/triggersmob/Coins/008-1.jpg)
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: keldaw on December 26, 2012, 02:47:19 PM
triggersmob , why the screw please ????
why cant you just put it on the black base ???    ,, kel ,,
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: Australian coin on December 26, 2012, 03:17:04 PM
Triggersmob,
Wow that’s so cool!

keldaw,
I don’t think that it matters if it’s a screw or not (screw probably has a larger flat top to work with), I think the principle is to get the coin up, so the camera takes the pic of the coin and not the background, I guess it helps with lighting too.
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: Triggersmob on December 26, 2012, 05:39:53 PM
It is so the camera focuses on the coin only, and the background fades out.
If you look at the final pic, the background is solid black, but I use a woven
piece of black cloth as the background and you would see all the threads if
I just laid the coin on the cloth.

Oops! Just noticed Australia Coins reply, so yes that's it.

And the best thing is, it cost nothing.
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: keldaw on December 26, 2012, 07:03:59 PM
thanks guys , a great answer , and i do believe it after trying it ..

    ,, kel ,,
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: Triggersmob on December 26, 2012, 10:25:39 PM
Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='5053' dateline='1356510839'thanks guys , a great answer , and i do believe it after trying it ..

    ,, kel ,,

Where's the pic then?
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: Goldseeker on December 27, 2012, 05:23:15 PM
Sorry, lost the print due to the negative being out dated..........hehehehe
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: keldaw on December 27, 2012, 07:17:47 PM
it keeps telling me it is too large i am only allowed 200

 and it wont come over to this download page ..   ,, kel ,,

 i have nothing but trouble with my pictures because i cannot understand any of the instructions on how to do it ..
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: Triggersmob on December 27, 2012, 07:58:18 PM
Kel, what operating system are you using, XP, Windows 7 etc?
Maybe someone here with the same system can guide you through the steps.
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: keldaw on December 28, 2012, 08:18:21 AM
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Quote from: 'Triggersmob' pid='5155' dateline='1356600498'Kel, what operating system are you using, XP, Windows 7 etc?
Maybe someone here with the same system can guide you through the steps.

i have window 7 and a kodak easy share cx7330 camera ,

 i think i may have found the problem , my camera takes the pic too big so i have to go back to my pictures and crop them , i have just done it to these 3 pic and i think they have turned out not to bad . but i dont know if it will make the coins come out much clearer or not ..

 ,, kel ,,
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: trout on December 28, 2012, 08:25:30 AM
I did a tip run yesterday and went to the recycaling shop.
It cost me the grand sum of $2 for a selection of plastic containers.
This is my first attempt.
Flash photo setup
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Pic's
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Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: keldaw on December 28, 2012, 09:47:42 AM
ok guys , as you can see , i think i am ok with my camera shots , looks like i just have to crop my pic first ,, ok
 well now , with my dino type of light , i have my black background, my clear container with a hole cut in the bottom , and my light in it and everything is going good so far,now i have to push the button to take the pic , (i push the mouse but nothing happens ) ok nice pic , but now the problem , i save the pic by clicking on the word save , and it goes somewhere else then when i try to put it on the forum is says it is BMP  and wont allow the pic to go on , so how do i get it to change over to jpg ??????     thanks in advance ,.. ,, kel ,,
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: Australian coin on December 28, 2012, 10:07:09 AM
Are you familiar with the (paint) program on your computer!
In this you can simply change the size and format of your pictures; this is what I use to change photos that were set as BMP to JPG

I can walk you thru step by step if you need help.
First I would suggest that you would have to know where your picture file is on the computer/ simply right click on it and it will give you a few options, my computer gives me heaps of options in a grey tab â€" I choose the (open with) tab and it asks which program to open with and you click the (paint) program. All computers should have paint as a standard program software.

So have you figured out how to open your picture in paint..
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: keldaw on December 28, 2012, 10:29:48 AM
ac , is picture where i store my pictures

ac , can you pm me your phone no so i can ring you  please is that ok .
   kel
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: trout on December 28, 2012, 10:35:12 AM
Quote from: 'keldaw' pid='5190' dateline='1356652788'ac , is picture where i store my pictures

The easiest way to do this is to create a new folder in your file manager and send your pic's to that.

When you hit the "Save file as" tab direct it to the folder you created.

There is a free programme called "Infraveiw" that lets you size files and change the format (eg bmp to jpg )
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: Triggersmob on December 28, 2012, 10:40:51 AM
Kel, if you are using Windows 7, bring up the picture and right click on it. Open the pic in "Paint".
Click on the big blue button in the top left hand side and go to "Save As" and then select "save as JPEG".

Hope this helps.
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: Steveqld on January 08, 2013, 08:56:04 PM
I mentioned a while ago that I was going to try an LED ring light on the camera.  Have had a go and still some way off yet but it has a bit of potential.  Having said that the pictures are no better than others get with alternative lighting.

Sorry about the size.  I thought I reduced them all to 500 pixels but obviously only image 2.

A 2010 CoA.  I was finding the newer coins difficult as they tend to uneven lustre.

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u20/Steveqld/Coins/IMG_0067_2_zps67684ea1.jpg)

Proof in a capsule flat on to the camera

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u20/Steveqld/Coins/IMG_0061_2_zps835075ca.jpg)

Proof in a capsule but tilted to reflect the light

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u20/Steveqld/Coins/IMG_0064_2_zpsa2c9c085.jpg)

A well worn 1985 obverse

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u20/Steveqld/Coins/IMG_0054_2_zps540efea4.jpg)

Just to try a different metal

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u20/Steveqld/Coins/IMG_0095_2_zps2dcc64e2.jpg)

The LED lights are much brighter than desklamps so upped it to f18.  Having trouble getting the colour right and have been trying anything between 4600 and 5600 Kelvin.  Also varying the exposure from 1/40 to 1/160.

Bit of promise but a way to go yet.
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: trout on January 08, 2013, 09:02:57 PM
Bloody hell steveqld, If I could take pic's half as good as yours I would be a very happy man.
They look great :good:

I feel I could reach out and touch that kook:yahoo:
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: ausjack on January 08, 2013, 09:24:30 PM
I'll try and explain it for ya Kel or yes you can ring me just email me and I'll give ya me # but if you click on green START (very bottom far left) then you should see all programs right down the bottom just put curser on "all programs" and a list should then just show up and find "accessories" and click on it and then you should be in it..mine is the 3rd down in the list so hope yours is the same..hope it help mate, any problems please yell out :)
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: keldaw on January 09, 2013, 08:01:39 AM
thanks to everybody for helping me out with idea,s for taking good pictures , i am trying all ways suggested ,
 and my best shot just now seams to be paint , so at least i have improved a little way along ..       ,, kel ,,
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: Robster on January 09, 2013, 08:42:23 AM
Kel, The whole process of obtaining a 'good' photo has also had me twisting and convulsing for many weeks.  Tasks involving several different steps (photo, lighting, resizing, downloading, uploading and finally gloating)  can be a pain but when a good result is achieved its a win for me.!! IMO the secret is twofold- patient editing and correct posting size.! If nothing else at least we are learning a new skill set.!! Best wishes.!:yahoo:
Title: RE: Coin Photography
Post by: keldaw on January 09, 2013, 10:14:11 AM
Quote from: 'Robster' pid='6032' dateline='1357683143'Kel, The whole process of obtaining a 'good' photo has also had me twisting and convulsing for many weeks.  Tasks involving several different steps (photo, lighting, resizing, downloading, uploading and finally gloating)  can be a pain but when a good result is achieved its a win for me.!! IMO the secret is twofold- patient editing and correct posting size.! If nothing else at least we are learning a new skill set.!! Best wishes.!:yahoo:

 a very big thanks rob ..   ,, kel ,,