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Numismatic Discussion => Coin and Banknote Grading => Topic started by: trout on June 14, 2015, 09:31:58 AM

Title: 1907 Maundy Set "image heavy"
Post by: trout on June 14, 2015, 09:31:58 AM
I have gone off on yet another numismatic tangent (thanks AJ) and have started to collect these Tiny yet beautifully made coins.
Specially minted to be given away on Maundy Thursday by the King/Queen of England.
These types of coins are probably the very first examples of NCLT and what makes them totally unique as far as NCLT coins go is that these were produced to be given away and NOT sold by the mint for a huge profit :)
The toning on these is nice from light pastel colours to dark grey/black, I cannot seem to be able to image the colours very well :angel:

Grading opinions welcome :)

4d
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/4d~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/4d1~0.jpg)

3d
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/3d~2.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/3d1~2.jpg)

2d
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2d~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2d1~0.jpg)

1d
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1d~3.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1d1~3.jpg)
Title: RE: 1907 Maundy Set "image heavy"
Post by: Goldseeker on June 14, 2015, 11:17:04 AM
OK, very nice coins indeed.

If the colouring has anything to do with grading, then your grading would be low me thinks.   But if the colouring is not taken into consideration, then I would guess MS 62-65.

I know it is a wide range but I am not any good at trying to grade coins.   I am just having a punt.

Do the above coins have the case with them?   If they do, a picture of the coins in the case would be appreciated.
Title: RE: 1907 Maundy Set "image heavy"
Post by: markn on June 15, 2015, 07:57:34 AM
Nice set.  Don't expect high grades from our friends at PCGS as they don't like maundy coins with that sort of dark toning.  I should know, I've sent more than enough to learn :)
Title: RE: 1907 Maundy Set "image heavy"
Post by: trout on June 15, 2015, 08:14:48 AM
Quote from: 'markn' pid='74339' dateline='1434320854'Nice set.  Don't expect high grades from our friends at PCGS as they don't like maundy coins with that sort of dark toning.  I should know, I've sent more than enough to learn :)

I would be highly suspicious of a "Blast White" set of these coin types considering the way they were issued and stored :)
The grade is not that important, although a  high grade would be rather nice :angel:
What is important though is to get these into one of them new fully sealed slabs so that first off I don't loose them and secondly it may help to  "arrest" the toning at the stage it is at now  :good:

Some new images of the same coins :ok:
I made a bit of an effort to try and get the colours right, bugger of a job imaging these little tackers .
Some people like toned silver some people hate it, I Love the way a nicely toned coin refracts the light at different angles to give a display of many different colours on the one coin :yahoo:

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1d~4.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1d1~4.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2d~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2d1~1.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/3d~3.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/3d1~3.jpg)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/4d~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/4d1~1.jpg)
Title: RE: 1907 Maundy Set "image heavy"
Post by: duggee27 on June 15, 2015, 09:05:58 AM
trout
i am impressed with your improved photography skills.... and patience:shock::D
Title: RE: 1907 Maundy Set "image heavy"
Post by: Nevol on June 15, 2015, 09:48:19 AM
This last set of images are great! Good on you trout for your perseverance. :good:
Title: RE: 1907 Maundy Set "image heavy"
Post by: markn on June 15, 2015, 05:46:19 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='74341' dateline='1434321888'
Quote from: 'markn' pid='74339' dateline='1434320854'Nice set.  Don't expect high grades from our friends at PCGS as they don't like maundy coins with that sort of dark toning.  I should know, I've sent more than enough to learn :)

I would be highly suspicious of a "Blast White" set of these coin types considering the way they were issued and stored :)

No, that's not it at all.  The toning like on your coins has basically removed the underlying lustre or brilliance and the coins have taken on a satin or even matte tone.  This severely restricts the grade they can get at PCGS who place a lot of importance on lustre.  The key with getting big numbers on Maundy coins is finding the colourful toning with the blazing lustre or brilliance.  It's not easy to find because so many sets have been stored in PVC or in felt lined boxes (which yours almost certainly has).
Title: RE: 1907 Maundy Set "image heavy"
Post by: trout on June 15, 2015, 06:08:38 PM
QuoteIt's not easy to find because so many sets have been stored in PVC or in felt lined boxes (which yours almost certainly has).
:agreed:
at best a 64-65 is possible without the "bling"
I can see what you mean, Finding an absolutely "Pristine" set of these would have to be far tougher than finding a great set of 1966 decimal proofs .
There was also an awful lot of coal burnt in the UK pre 1970's and I can remember as a kid the ever present smell of coal smoke in the air , That would have quite an effect on coins stored in a non airtight clamshell.

Not a plethora of Maundy coins available to me in my neck of the woods so eBay is my trolling grounds at the moment :)
Title: RE: 1907 Maundy Set "image heavy"
Post by: trout on June 17, 2015, 10:57:51 AM
I think this one has plenty of "Bling" and should grade rather well :)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/02_3d~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/02_3d1~1.jpg)