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Numismatic Discussion => Coin and Banknote Grading => Topic started by: trout on June 01, 2015, 05:45:09 AM

Title: another Canberra florin
Post by: trout on June 01, 2015, 05:45:09 AM
I bought this a few days ago as I find it nearly impossible to "pass" an a well struck up Canberra.
I love the toning on this one :good:
These are the sellers pic's and knowing the sellers photographic abilities they are probably better that anything that I could produce :angel:

Grading opinions please :)

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1927_florin~0.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1927_florin1~0.jpg)
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: ausjack on June 01, 2015, 07:17:05 AM
63 depending on those couple of little marks on the obverse so need it in hand so lucky you know where I live :)
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: markn on June 01, 2015, 07:48:25 AM
I thought it would grade at a 2 or a 3, so AJ is pretty spot on IMHO.
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: trout on June 01, 2015, 07:58:24 AM
Quote from: 'markn' pid='73561' dateline='1433110705'I thought it would grade at a 2 or a 3, so AJ is pretty spot on IMHO.

Is it all "pastel" toning or is there some purply blue in there?
It looks MS62 and an early strike (NO die cracks) :dance2: :)
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: markn on June 01, 2015, 08:06:59 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='73563' dateline='1433111304'
Quote from: 'markn' pid='73561' dateline='1433110705'I thought it would grade at a 2 or a 3, so AJ is pretty spot on IMHO.

Is it all "pastel" toning or is there some purply blue in there?
It looks MS62 and an early strike (NO die cracks) :dance2: :)

It had a little colour, nothing too much.  Nice UNC coin, it wasn't worth The Purple Penny getting it graded.  If you're keeping it for yourself (and I am sure you are) it might be worthwhile.
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: trout on June 01, 2015, 08:25:05 AM
Hehehe
Defiantly a "Keeper", I will send it to PCGS when I send my next pre decimal and world coins over soon.
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: Oldcoinchest on June 01, 2015, 05:23:12 PM
ill have a stab at 62, reverse is good strike with nick in rim near the E in house and near N in florin, Observe strike is strong at the crown and seems weaker towards the the bottom. Not sure what you call the r/h side of the rim with the extra line? Its a nice unc coin, for me the eye appeal on this coin aint there, but that's just my preference. Look forward to the results.
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: trout on June 01, 2015, 06:00:45 PM
I have a plethora of blast white Canberra's and I really prefer the toned examples :)

Talking about "Toners" here is another welcome addition to my stable, Thanks PP :yahoo:

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1927_florin3.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/1927_florin4.jpg)
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: purplepennyhunter on June 01, 2015, 06:48:55 PM
I think I listed this one  (http://www.thepurplepenny.com/1533,australia-1927-commemorative-parliament-or-canberra-florin-2s.html)right when you had your accident trout. I did think of you as I bought it. It has some of the best die cracking I have seen on a Canberra florin, particularly through the reverse.
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: trout on June 01, 2015, 06:57:37 PM
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='73583' dateline='1433150335'I think I listed this one  (http://www.thepurplepenny.com/1533,australia-1927-commemorative-parliament-or-canberra-florin-2s.html)right when you had your accident trout. I did think of you as I bought it. It has some of the best die cracking I have seen on a Canberra florin, particularly through the reverse.

Send me an invoice :good:
I can't seem to work out your site :ok:
there is NO submit order at the bottom right of my page :dash1:
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: robbiegal on June 01, 2015, 10:10:25 PM
wow
that is brilliant
if you don't buy it trout
I will!!!
let me know if you decide against it ... gentleman's first choice
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: Oldcoinchest on June 01, 2015, 11:40:12 PM
Quote from: 'purplepennyhunter' pid='73583' dateline='1433150335'I think I listed this one  (http://www.thepurplepenny.com/1533,australia-1927-commemorative-parliament-or-canberra-florin-2s.html)right when you had your accident trout. I did think of you as I bought it. It has some of the best die cracking I have seen on a Canberra florin, particularly through the reverse.

Was the planchet made from cornflakes? Anyway serious question now, what is the cud like rim edge called? I see a lot of coins with this raised edge.
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: Fordprefect on June 01, 2015, 11:51:50 PM
Wire rim is the normal descriptor.
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: ausjack on June 02, 2015, 07:13:49 AM
:dash1: why do I bother. I put a link to this coin up a few weeks ago and no one paid it any attention so I should have bought it then :P

Yes I have heard it referred to as wire rim before :good:
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: trout on June 02, 2015, 07:17:40 AM
PM sent PP :good:
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: ausjack on June 02, 2015, 07:27:32 AM
Do I get commission or at least a spotters fee :)
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: trout on June 02, 2015, 07:45:09 AM
WOOOHOOOO
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/gollum4.jpg)
The "Precious" is all mine :dance::dance2::dance:
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: ausjack on June 02, 2015, 08:06:05 AM
(http://i60.tinypic.com/so8lki.jpg)
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

(http://i61.tinypic.com/2qvf5zt.jpg)
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: robbiegal on June 02, 2015, 09:31:32 AM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='73610' dateline='1433195029':dash1: why do I bother. I put a link to this coin up a few weeks ago and no one paid it any attention so I should have bought it then :P

Yes I have heard it referred to as wire rim before :good:

seriously?
darn I missed that I think - well spotted AJ
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: ausjack on June 02, 2015, 10:08:08 AM
yep I'm well before me time :mocking: and sorry it was nearly a month ago, here's a link :)
http://www.australian-coins.net/showthread.php?tid=3703
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: robbiegal on June 02, 2015, 10:24:47 AM
awwww

good on Trout for jumping at it
I will be going over my PH florins yet again looking for the errors that get listed here
my only interesting one so far,  is the die clash on the obverse
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: ausjack on June 02, 2015, 10:43:31 AM
I would have got it but had a few things on so had to watch my spending but will be grabbing any I see now :)
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: trout on June 02, 2015, 10:50:36 AM
That coin truly belongs in MY collection :)
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: ausjack on June 02, 2015, 11:06:19 AM
Your just lucky sunshine, the next one might not slip past me so quick..you know I like me errors :winkextra:
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: robbiegal on June 02, 2015, 12:03:47 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='73653' dateline='1433208036'That coin truly belongs in MY collection :)
true
and I think that you need a obverse die clash in your collection as well
you probably have one - it is just a bit tricky spotting it
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: trout on June 04, 2015, 01:36:35 PM
wow that was quick PP
Really nicely struck up.
This is really nice and Great steps :yahoo:

 (http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/pp~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/pp4.jpg)

steps :)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/pp1.jpg)
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: ausjack on June 04, 2015, 02:33:13 PM
ya won't be gettin the next one :P
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: trout on June 04, 2015, 02:47:22 PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='73816' dateline='1433394193'ya won't be gettin the next one :P

YA wanna bet :laugh2: hehe
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: ausjack on June 04, 2015, 02:51:55 PM
PFFFFF :) yeah right, I'll win 'cause it took ya a bloody month to get that one so it will be in my hot little hand for a month and you'll be like "gee I don't know how i missed that one" :laugh2:
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: trout on June 04, 2015, 04:38:06 PM
The obverse of this coin was pretty hard to get a good image of.
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: ausjack on June 04, 2015, 04:45:20 PM
Yes toning, cartwheel, patina, rainbows, predecimal proof and wedding coins just to name a few are all hard to show in a pic what your looking at in hand as some just take the slightest movement and it's like your looking at a different coin.
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: trout on June 17, 2015, 03:59:47 PM
I picked this one up in the mail today.
 Fantastic "cartwheel" effect.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra1~1.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra2.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra3.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/canberra4~0.jpg)
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: robbiegal on June 17, 2015, 04:48:43 PM
jeepers
it's not a proof is it?
not too often the King's ear is that well struck up
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: trout on June 17, 2015, 05:11:05 PM
Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='74475' dateline='1434525523'jeepers
it's not a proof is it?
not too often the King's ear is that well struck up

I can find some of the raised lines in the fields of the obverse but not many and I can't see any on the reverse.
I had a good look with the usb gizmo and didn't note any evidence of cleaning/polish marks and yet the devices and design look polished in hand.
There is some "Cabinet rub" on the obverse which is a bit off putting but the detail in the design on the obverse is spectacular and so is the reverse as well.
The denticals are pretty much perfect yet the rim is the same as any other Canberra.
Not sure here RG But if this isn't a proof it will bloody well do me until I can find one :yahoo:
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: autocoupler on June 18, 2015, 10:57:42 AM
Love those steps
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: trout on August 05, 2015, 09:32:23 AM
Well the "So Called" Proof came back from PCGS UNC "Details" Cleaned :dash1:
However one of the coins PP sold me came back at MS65 :yahoo:
Ah well, What you loose on the roundabout you win back on the swings :):angel:
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: markn on August 05, 2015, 11:44:20 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='77055' dateline='1438732943'Well the "So Called" Proof came back from PCGS UNC "Details" Cleaned :dash1:
However one of the coins PP sold me came back at MS65 :yahoo:
Ah well, What you loose on the roundabout you win back on the swings :):angel:

Yes, it did look a bit cleaned from the images.  Good to hear you scored on a raw coin we sold you.  Which one was it?
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: robbiegal on August 05, 2015, 12:27:07 PM
pity
a cleaned proof would still be quite nice!
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: trout on August 05, 2015, 01:47:46 PM
Quote from: 'markn' pid='77068' dateline='1438740860'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='77055' dateline='1438732943'Well the "So Called" Proof came back from PCGS UNC "Details" Cleaned :dash1:
However one of the coins PP sold me came back at MS65 :yahoo:
Ah well, What you loose on the roundabout you win back on the swings :):angel:

Yes, it did look a bit cleaned from the images.  Good to hear you scored on a raw coin we sold you.  Which one was it?

This One

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/32642297_large.jpg)

Quote from: 'robbiegal' pid='77072' dateline='1438743427'pity
a cleaned proof would still be quite nice!

I'm "Spewing" This is a beautifully struck coin and I couldn't see any evidence of cleaning marks on the coin when I blew up the image on my screen.
It "Cartwheels" beautifully so it hasn't been dipped, Buggered if I know how this was cleaned but it obviously has as far as PCGS is concerned :cray:

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/32642319_large.jpg)
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: markn on August 05, 2015, 02:24:50 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='77084' dateline='1438748266'
Quote from: 'markn' pid='77068' dateline='1438740860'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='77055' dateline='1438732943'Well the "So Called" Proof came back from PCGS UNC "Details" Cleaned :dash1:
However one of the coins PP sold me came back at MS65 :yahoo:
Ah well, What you loose on the roundabout you win back on the swings :):angel:

Yes, it did look a bit cleaned from the images.  Good to hear you scored on a raw coin we sold you.  Which one was it?

This One

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/32642297_large.jpg)

Well there you go.  I thought that coin was a MS63 at best because the toning was a bit dark and patchy.  Congrats on the grade, it's a pretty coin!
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: markn on August 05, 2015, 02:26:30 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='77084' dateline='1438748266'I'm "Spewing" This is a beautifully struck coin and I couldn't see any evidence of cleaning marks on the coin when I blew up the image on my screen.
It "Cartwheels" beautifully so it hasn't been dipped, Buggered if I know how this was cleaned but it obviously has as far as PCGS is concerned :cray:

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/32642319_large.jpg)

To my eyes, in your images and PCGS's images it looks too glossy on the high points.  When I see that on a coin it immediately raises red flags for me.  Perhaps someone gave it a quick wipe with a silver cloth at some stage.
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: trout on August 05, 2015, 02:47:35 PM
QuotePerhaps someone gave it a quick wipe with a silver cloth at some stage.
I didn't think of that, What an absolute shame, Bugger :dash1:
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: ausjack on August 05, 2015, 04:34:12 PM
send it to NGC :mocking:
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: JeffH on August 05, 2015, 05:35:19 PM
And if that fails try a local TPG.
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: nealeffendi on August 05, 2015, 05:35:54 PM
Quote from: 'ausjack' pid='77099' dateline='1438758252'send it to NGC :mocking:
Trout is a true blue patriot. APCGS all the way.
And I thought the high points were shiny from day one (red flag)
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: trout on August 05, 2015, 05:57:19 PM
QuoteTrout is a true blue patriot. APCGS all the way.

That post really doesn't  deserve a response. IDIOT:dodgy::angel:
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: ausproofs on August 05, 2015, 08:50:38 PM
Congratulations Trout, now would you like sell your MS 65 florin to me ?:music:
Title: RE: another Canberra florin
Post by: trout on August 10, 2015, 06:42:11 AM
Quote from: 'ausproofs' pid='77120' dateline='1438773638'Congratulations Trout, now would you like sell your MS 65 florin to me ?:music:

Send me an offer I can't refuse :P

I will be keeping the Cleaned Canberra as it is the best struck example I own .
Regardless of it being cleaned it is still a stunning coin :)