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Numismatic Discussion => Coin and Banknote Grading => Topic started by: trout on May 24, 2015, 04:37:47 AM

Title: MS or SP ?
Post by: trout on May 24, 2015, 04:37:47 AM
Just for fun, What grade would you give this coin ?
Nicely toned with great surfaces and strike.

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/cook.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/cook1.jpg)
Title: RE: MS or SP ?
Post by: ausproofs on May 24, 2015, 09:24:52 AM
I think a SP... How do I know.. I think you mentioned this coin as a SP grade in a privious post
Title: RE: MS or SP ?
Post by: robbiegal on May 24, 2015, 09:29:44 AM
i'd cheerfully take it off your hands !!! very noice
Title: RE: MS or SP ?
Post by: markn on May 24, 2015, 10:56:20 AM
Who cares.  It came from the RAM in one of those specimen cases, we all know it's a specimen.  Do you really think what PCGS calls it changes anything?
Title: RE: MS or SP ?
Post by: trout on May 24, 2015, 11:01:23 AM
QuoteDo you really think what PCGS calls it changes anything?

NO, I'm more concerned with  PCGS getting it right :ok:

This coin is blatantly obviously a Specimen coin out of one of those red plastic holders
You only have to look at the toning imparted on the coin from the holder and the great strike and surfaces to tell what it is.
PCGS seem to have a problem spotting this.
This isn't one of my submissions; I got this coin on Numisbid.
 


(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/cook2.jpg)
Title: RE: MS or SP ?
Post by: stevo1962 on May 24, 2015, 12:06:00 PM
Nice coin Jim but being a 50 cent collector I'd rather have one
of these for $30-$40


(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1971_ms67.jpg)
Title: RE: MS or SP ?
Post by: trout on May 24, 2015, 12:07:59 PM
noice :yahoo:
Where on earth did you pick that up for $30-$40 ?
Title: RE: MS or SP ?
Post by: stevo1962 on May 24, 2015, 12:23:09 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='72958' dateline='1432435079'noice :yahoo:
Where on earth did you pick that up for $30-$40 ?

Buy a mint set for $40 from the USA as good coins are usually swapped out in Australian  sets so cost of 50 cent is about $10 and send it off to PCGS for an additional cost of $30.They usually come back MS65 or 66 but this is my latest result
Title: RE: MS or SP ?
Post by: trout on May 24, 2015, 12:25:29 PM
nicely done, most of these sets I have seen suffer from the dreaded green death.
Title: RE: MS or SP ?
Post by: stevo1962 on May 24, 2015, 12:38:57 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='72962' dateline='1432436129'nicely done, most of these sets I have seen suffer from the dreaded green death.

A lot of them are in trouble so you have to be fussy and pick your
mark but only if they have good photos
Title: RE: MS or SP ?
Post by: markn on May 24, 2015, 06:51:45 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='72953' dateline='1432431083'
QuoteDo you really think what PCGS calls it changes anything?

NO, I'm more concerned with  PCGS getting it right :ok:

*yawn* we're all well aware of your crusade with the people at PCGS.  I hope you're bugging them as much as you seem to be bugging everyone else on the internet about it.
Title: RE: MS or SP ?
Post by: trout on May 24, 2015, 07:37:13 PM
Quote from: 'markn' pid='72991' dateline='1432459305'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='72953' dateline='1432431083'
QuoteDo you really think what PCGS calls it changes anything?

NO, I'm more concerned with  PCGS getting it right :ok:

*yawn* we're all well aware of your crusade with the people at PCGS.  I hope you're bugging them as much as you seem to be bugging everyone else on the internet about it.

How rude, You mob didn't complain when I had the "Crusade" regarding getting the incused 2000 coin recognised and attributed correctly.
Remarkable how many of these coins  were submitted/re graded after I got my first one done :angel:
I do have a goal of getting the wedding set coins attributed correctly , This will probably embarrass many dealers that KNEW that these coins would grade far higher than the run of the mill coins and took advantage of this knowledge to make a quick quid :angel:
So "Yawn" I will do whatever it takes to get the wedding set coins recognised for what they are  and if this annoys certain people then "tough titties", I will persevere regardless of certain parties that have a vested interest in keeping the "Status quo" as it is at the moment :ok:
Title: RE: MS or SP ?
Post by: nickwotm on May 25, 2015, 10:39:49 AM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='72995' dateline='1432462033'
Quote from: 'markn' pid='72991' dateline='1432459305'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='72953' dateline='1432431083'
QuoteDo you really think what PCGS calls it changes anything?

NO, I'm more concerned with  PCGS getting it right :ok:

*yawn* we're all well aware of your crusade with the people at PCGS.  I hope you're bugging them as much as you seem to be bugging everyone else on the internet about it.

How rude, You mob didn't complain when I had the "Crusade" regarding getting the incused 2000 coin recognised and attributed correctly.
Remarkable how many of these coins  were submitted/re graded after I got my first one done :angel:
I do have a goal of getting the wedding set coins attributed correctly , This will probably embarrass many dealers that KNEW that these coins would grade far higher than the run of the mill coins and took advantage of this knowledge to make a quick quid :angel:
So "Yawn" I will do whatever it takes to get the wedding set coins recognised for what they are  and if this annoys certain people then "tough titties", I will persevere regardless of certain parties that have a vested interest in keeping the "Status quo" as it is at the moment :ok:

I totally agree with you PCGS need to be educated.  

Just like the 1957 Original strikes vs 1959 strikes.  They are different coins!
Title: RE: MS or SP ?
Post by: markn on May 25, 2015, 12:00:19 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='72995' dateline='1432462033'How rude, You mob didn't complain when I had the "Crusade" regarding getting the incused 2000 coin recognised and attributed correctly.
Remarkable how many of these coins  were submitted/re graded after I got my first one done :angel:
I do have a goal of getting the wedding set coins attributed correctly , This will probably embarrass many dealers that KNEW that these coins would grade far higher than the run of the mill coins and took advantage of this knowledge to make a quick quid :angel:
So "Yawn" I will do whatever it takes to get the wedding set coins recognised for what they are  and if this annoys certain people then "tough titties", I will persevere regardless of certain parties that have a vested interest in keeping the "Status quo" as it is at the moment :ok:

If you're wanting to educate PCGS then educate them.  You're not educating them posting it up here for the umpteenth time, in fact all you're doing is increasing the signal to noise ratio.  I for one am sick of it and I'd appreciate it if you kept to the PCGS grading thread.
Title: RE: MS or SP ?
Post by: trout on May 25, 2015, 04:34:42 PM
Quote from: 'markn' pid='73032' dateline='1432521019'
Quote from: 'trout' pid='72995' dateline='1432462033'How rude, You mob didn't complain when I had the "Crusade" regarding getting the incused 2000 coin recognised and attributed correctly.
Remarkable how many of these coins  were submitted/re graded after I got my first one done :angel:
I do have a goal of getting the wedding set coins attributed correctly , This will probably embarrass many dealers that KNEW that these coins would grade far higher than the run of the mill coins and took advantage of this knowledge to make a quick quid :angel:
So "Yawn" I will do whatever it takes to get the wedding set coins recognised for what they are  and if this annoys certain people then "tough titties", I will persevere regardless of certain parties that have a vested interest in keeping the "Status quo" as it is at the moment :ok:

If you're wanting to educate PCGS then educate them.  You're not educating them posting it up here for the umpteenth time, in fact all you're doing is increasing the signal to noise ratio.  I for one am sick of it and I'd appreciate it if you kept to the PCGS grading thread.
All is good Mate, I understand where you are coming from :ok:
Title: RE: MS or SP ?
Post by: markn on May 25, 2015, 04:37:03 PM
Quote from: 'trout' pid='73041' dateline='1432537482'All is good Mate, I understand where you are coming from :ok:

Thanks mate.  I wish you best of luck with them.  I am sure they'll come around at some point.
Title: RE: MS or SP ?
Post by: trout on May 26, 2015, 05:23:26 AM
Quote from: 'stevo1962' pid='72957' dateline='1432434960'Nice coin Jim but being a 50 cent collector I'd rather have one
of these for $30-$40


(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10137/1971_ms67.jpg)

This is one of My favourites :)
A poor mans proof round 50 cents :good:

(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2006_50c.jpg)
(http://www.australian-coins.net/gallery/albums/userpics/10019/2006_50c1.jpg)